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[BoscoBread]

As far as Corypheus is concerned, it seems he had evil intentions/motivations, and actions throughout, he's an evil blighted magister, for gods' sake!!! 

 

Maybe if he didn't create the breach and all that, Solas's plans may have gone more smoothly, and allowed for less possible bloodshed and collateral damage/fallout as a result...BUT, that would be a different game entirely, wouldn't it?

He didn't. He's not.  His actions were no different than Solas' actually. They were actually motivated on faith.  Unfortunately the game did a ****** poor job of showing it, but he breached the golden city to see his god.  He tells you this.  He is motivated by his lost faith and wanting it to be affirmed. When he was shown that Dumat was not real he wanted to be the God that Thedas deserved. Then at the end, when you send him to the fade, he finds the last shreds of his faith.  He dies believing. Corypheus is actually really really sad. 

 

Ok now I have magister feels. Going to cry now. 

[Eivuwan]

One thing that I enjoyed is the treatment of Solas' identity. There were all kinds of theories about how he was all these other historical figures or that Solas is the man and Fen'Harel is the god soul. Instead they revealed that Solas was Solas first and Fen'Harel is the title. This means that despite all the deception, we got to see the real him instead of the one who has to put on a front to rally the slaves. I find that very sweet and I'm glad Solas is really the Solas we got to know instead of a bunch of other stuff mixed in.

[Illyria]

He didn't. He's not.  His actions were no different than Solas' actually. They were actually motivated on faith.  Unfortunately the game did a ****** poor job of showing it, but he breached the golden city to see his god.  He tells you this.  He is motivated by his lost faith and wanting it to be affirmed. When he was shown that Dumat was not real he wanted to be the God that Thedas deserved. Then at the end, when you send him to the fade, he finds the last shreds of his faith.  He dies believing. Corypheus is actually really really sad. 

 

Ok now I have magister feels. Going to cry now. 

 

I'm kind of tempted to post the song lyrics that make me think of Corypheus now...

 

For more Feels.

[Kittn]

Well, my Lavellan is all in.  What would be interesting is that if Solas can only be saved by sacrificing many more lives/resources than just killng him would require, because at what point does it become no longer worth it?

I've said it before but I figure its worth mentioning again. When faced with the choice to save thousands of innocent lives that had been lost, or save my dog in fable 2, I picked my doggie. Thus, the nameless innocents of Thedas better hope the cruel hands of fate, AKA the devs, don't make the scales to save Solas too unbalanced. Besides, Solas is aiming to destroy the whole world. I figure anything less is a bargain, no?

"Half of Tevinter and a couple of Orlesians may die. But! You'll have your man!"



Well! Sounds like a deal to me~

[Solas]

Illyria my da'len 

[BoscoBread]

I'm kind of tempted to post the song lyrics that make me think of Corypheus now...

 

For more Feels.

 

For Giton

[Illyria]

Illyria my da'len 

 

Lasa ghilan, hahren.

[Solas]

Lasa ghilan, hahren.

I'm going to destroy the world because of my all-consuming hate .. of tea

[figment_]

He didn't. He's not.  His actions were no different than Solas' actually. They were actually motivated on faith.  Unfortunately the game did a ****** poor job of showing it, but he breached the golden city to see his god.  He tells you this.  He is motivated by his lost faith and wanting it to be affirmed. When he was shown that Dumat was not real he wanted to be the God that Thedas deserved. Then at the end, when you send him to the fade, he finds the last shreds of his faith.  He dies believing. Corypheus is actually really really sad. 

 

Ok now I have magister feels. Going to cry now. 

I admit I have a really hard time justifying the actions of, feeling any empathy for, or seeing any Good in an evil, blighted magister that's been trying to kill me since DA2...

 

Am I a bad person??? (sniffle)  

[Illyria]

I'm going to destroy the world because of my all-consuming hate .. of tea

 

NO.

 

THAT IS A REALLY BAD WAY TO LEAD PEOPLE.

[Moondreamer01]

He didn't. He's not.  His actions were no different than Solas' actually. They were actually motivated on faith.  Unfortunately the game did a ****** poor job of showing it, but he breached the golden city to see his god.  He tells you this.  He is motivated by his lost faith and wanting it to be affirmed. When he was shown that Dumat was not real he wanted to be the God that Thedas deserved. Then at the end, when you send him to the fade, he finds the last shreds of his faith.  He dies believing. Corypheus is actually really really sad. 

 

Ok now I have magister feels. Going to cry now. 

Well, now I kinda feel the need to post this :

 

 

I'd never thought of Corypheus in that way, but you gave me lots to ponder.

[Illyria]

I admit I have a really hard time justifying the actions of, feeling any empathy for, or seeing any Good in an evil, blighted magister that's been trying to kill me since DA2...

 

Am I a bad person??? (sniffle)

 

Yes.

 

I do think Cory was wasted as a villian.  He has so much backstory and tragedy but a lot of that is hidden behind the Templar route, in codex entries and in a DLC for a different game.

[BoscoBread]

I admit I have a really hard time justifying the actions of, feeling any empathy for, or seeing any Good in an evil, blighted magister that's been trying to kill me since DA2...

 

Am I a bad person??? (sniffle)

Yes.  

 

 

 

I'm kidding. I don't justify his actions by any stretch(though he did in-advertantly save your butt by not dying) but I think their motivations and his desires are really upsetting to me and you can see that he was SO desperate to believe in something.  I do recommend reading the WOT2 to get more on the magisters. I think they are fascinating. But I have an insane soft spot for stories about collapsing faith and the things people do to keep it.  

 

EDIT: And I do want to add so I don't come off too crappy - the game did a BAD job.  Your view of him is totally understandable because you would have to read like every little codex entry, the supplemental material, and then make some inferences with his dialogue.  He was well and truly wasted because I think we are supposed to see a bit of Solas in him. 

[figment_]

Yes.  

 

 

 

I'm kidding. I don't justify his actions by any stretch(though he did in-advertantly save your butt by not dying) but I think their motivations and his desires are really upsetting to me and you can see that he was SO desperate to believe in something.  I do recommend reading the WOT2 to get more on the magisters. I think they are fascinating. But I have an insane soft spot for stories about collapsing faith and the things people do to keep it.  

I actually have my copies of WOT and WOT2 in front of me right now...and I've read the novels, but not the comics as of yet. Been doing a lot of "research" lately.

[Illyria]

@figment_

 

Please take my flat yes in the lighthearted and jokey way it was meant.  I just realised how rude it looks sitting there.

[figment_]

Yes.

 

I do think Cory was wasted as a villian.  He has so much backstory and tragedy but a lot of that is hidden behind the Templar route, in codex entries and in a DLC for a different game.

[Oswin]

He didn't. He's not.  His actions were no different than Solas' actually. They were actually motivated on faith.  Unfortunately the game did a ****** poor job of showing it, but he breached the golden city to see his god.  He tells you this.  He is motivated by his lost faith and wanting it to be affirmed. When he was shown that Dumat was not real he wanted to be the God that Thedas deserved. Then at the end, when you send him to the fade, he finds the last shreds of his faith.  He dies believing. Corypheus is actually really really sad. 

 

Ok now I have magister feels. Going to cry now. 

 

I feel no sympathy for Cory. Ever.

 

Why?

 

Because I still remember that boss battle in DA2: Legacy.

 

 

 

So much swearing was had from me during that fight..

 

Ah. But I do wish they'd done more with his character in DAI. Especially as he kinda is the hero in his own messed up way. He just doesn't do much of anything past the time he shows up in Haven. It seems like such a waste.

 

I also forgot that Varric says the whole "If he pulls a dragon out his ass, I'm leaving" comment when you fight him in DA2.

 

Gee, thanks Varric. THANKS FOR GIVING HIM THE IDEA.

 

 

Top page Edit: Some Skyhold walking smiley Solas from my screencaps:

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@figment_

 

Please take my flat yes in the lighthearted and jokey way it was meant.  I just realised how rude it looks sitting there.

It's all good.

[Uirebhiril]

The thing is, he will never be evil. His actions are evil. They just are. They are bad.  The big question is: Are we more than our actions? 

 

Is Blackwall more than his selfish murder? Is Samson?  

These are all important questions and ones that are totally left up to the player. 

 

I've always held that we're all born more or less the same. Some of us just make bad choices or cause harm with our actions. In some cases, that defines us and everything we do, either in our own eyes or that of others. In other cases, a bad choice or hurtful decision is what reaches through to us and helps us to understand, or learn, or grow. We just have to be willing to listen and do so. Not everyone will be. So some people can turn their lives around and spend the rest of their days doing good for the world, and others will die the villain everyone saw them as. Most of us meander in the middle of that, and that's just how life goes.

 

But this is why I can't see anyone as just good or just bad. We all have potential within us for both sides of that coin, and sometimes despite our best intentions we will royally **** something up. It's what we do after that really matters. Which is why Blackwall was not "redeemed" in my eyes until Trespasser, when he showed that he finally understood himself and his actions and moved forward based on that. But... redeemed he was. I really hope no less for Solas, because as bad as his actions were, and as bad as they may be, he still can stop and make a different choice.

 

I mean, potentially. Based on the info we have at the moment.

 

Or we can learn it really is the best of a bad set of choices, and then the decision will be ours. I wonder just how those choices might define our place in the eyes of Thedas.  

[Solas]

LOL you know you're in too deep when you use editable Google docs to storyboard/plot out collab AU fanfic with your friend wahahaha

[Giton]

He didn't. He's not.  His actions were no different than Solas' actually. They were actually motivated on faith.  Unfortunately the game did a ****** poor job of showing it, but he breached the golden city to see his god.  He tells you this.  He is motivated by his lost faith and wanting it to be affirmed. When he was shown that Dumat was not real he wanted to be the God that Thedas deserved. Then at the end, when you send him to the fade, he finds the last shreds of his faith.  He dies believing. Corypheus is actually really really sad. 

 

Ok now I have magister feels. Going to cry now. 

Corypheus DESERVED BETTER. COME ON, PEOPLE. 

 

Also, I don't think our erotic magister lord wanted to DESTROY ALL THE THINGS!! (solas)

 

But seriously, his is a story of lost faith. Son't make me break out the Marlowe again.

[Moondreamer01]

LOL you know you're in too deep when you use editable Google docs to storyboard/plot out collab AU fanfic with your friend wahahaha

Nah, that's just deep enough

[Sasaki]

Okay, not Solas, but I thought this was cute.

 

Well, there is a Solas quote in here.

 

Anywho

 

Spoiler

 

Source

 

the signs as dragon age quotes

 

Aries: (After hearing terrible pickup lines) “Can I kill him yet? He’s hurting me.”

Taurus: “I see what must be done, and I do it! I see no point in running around in circles like a dog chasing its tail.”

Gemini: “Loyalty is an interesting concept. If you wish and if you are done interrogating me, we can discuss it further.”

Cancer: “Could we, perhaps, do battle with a pack of pretty flowers or soft bunnies next time? I’d do much better.”

Leo: (in response to ‘you’re not as handsome as you think’) “I must be, or you wouldn’t have been thinking about it all this time.”

Virgo: “My people had a saying long ago - “The healer has the bloodiest hands.“”

Libra: “Freedom was interesting while it lasted.”

Scorpio: “I have faith in my friends well enough. Faith that they will one day stab me in the back.” 

Sagittarius: “I shall endeavor to exist with less offense.”

Capricorn: “Just once, we should enter a cave and see normal-sized spiders.”

Aquarius: “Magic can kill. Knives can kill. Even small children launched at great speed could kill.”

Pisces: “Demons can’t hear you. It hurts too much. Nothing here makes sense to them.”

 

 

 

Source

 

 

 

Off topic: Not familiar with the previous DA games, but who said the one for Aquarius? Zevran?

 

Solas' line is cool as per usual , but that line makes the Aquarius me happy.

[Solas]

think zev yea

[ChuChu]

I really hope we get drastically different ending scenario options once this game is done. I'd also give Bioware a tip of the hat if they had a "terrible (you all failed) now burn in fire" ending option. You know, in addition to the other final world states.

OH. Blanket fort denizens, have you tried Starbucks' apple pound cake yet? I vote we bring these in addition to cookies and tea. PSL also welcome.

And OT: Real life dilemma: does going to the gym help or hurt you if you're sick? :S