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[Uirebhiril]

The entire disabled angle? Great gameplay material.

 

Having one less arm shouldn't disqualify someone as a potential protagonist, it's just.. kinda sad.

 

Yes. I doubt the writers would be so disconnected from how bad it would look to just say, "welp, Inquisitor lost an arm, now they're useless for anything else ever in this story." Certainly they might have the character take on a less in-the-forefront role if they want to bring in a new protagonist, but not because they lost an arm. They aren't useless or helpless, least of all in a world where they can still have a prosthetic. Especially one we can enchant.

[flabbadence]

I want my non Solas romancer to confront him more than my romanced one as well. Dealing with Solas goes way beyond just romantic intentions for me.

 

I still can't get my head around just how many people think that in the Inquisitor is totally useless now they have lost an arm. As if there has never been a videogame character with an artificial limb before. I CAN NAME SEVERAL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD FFS. 

And sure, a lot of those games are more Sci-fi and therefore have the tech for these things, but I feel like these people are forgetting that this isn't a 'true to history' medieval game. It's fantasy. If they can build Golems then my Inquisitor can get a new arm and not just the crossbow one. I'm pretty sure Bianca owes my Inquisitor her soul. If she really is 'ten times the smith that Branka was' then she can prove it. 

 

I'm part of the Dual Protagonist vote. I love my Quizzies and desperately want them to play a part in dealing with Solas. But if we are playing a game in Tevinter, I want to play a Tevinter-born character. So goodbye to my Dalish elf heroes    - But I want to play as someone from the area. In that fab Tevinter gear. I may also try to not play as an elf. 

I'm sure I can do it.

... 

I'm pretty sure Dorian would be mad if his beau is hanging round Minrathous after he told him to not as well. It'd be cool if there was something like the War Table again where you could switch from say, inside the city where your DA4 protagonist is to the outskirts somewhere and that would switch you over to your Inquisitor. 

Oh, or a Tavern! A Tavern in a remote location! You'd go sit down at the table as one character and the other would be sitting opposite, you can then select between the two and the camera would swing round to that one and they'd give a nod and get up, then boom. You're in control to go off. Certain characters can only go to certain locations. Maybe.

 

I've played a few games with multiple protagonists and it's something I quite like.

 

I HAVE A MIGHTY NEED

[Ven'inan]

Anyone else curious about there being two intact eluvians around the same tower as the one Morrigan controls with two different versions of fen'harel's statues? I really wonder where they lead to and why two of Fen'harel.

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

I also made a tumblr post about this and something else.

 

 

No idea if this has been discussed before or if it has been discussed after the revealed information in Trespasser dlc. 

 

Quoting my own post cause I'm still really curious about it and if there's any significance to it or not o/

[flabbadence]

I walked away from Trespasser feeling mostly hopeful. I was expecting bittersweet but I wasn't expecting that big sense of hope.

 

HE FINALLY ANSWERED OUR QUESTIONS. Well not all of them, but so much more than I was expecting. And he confessed to his identity. And it's obvious he doesn't want to go through with this, that if there's a better way he'd like to see it. How can I despair at that? 

[Former_Fiend]

So, since the poll's up for discussion, thought I'd throw my two cents in. Me, I voted for new protagonist.

 

A few... quite a few pages back I mentioned that the ending to Trespasser finally got me interested in Solas after having been rather meh on him for the whole of the base game, even with the stinger at the end. I also explained that "interested" in this case meant "a desire to pummel him into a bloody mess with my bare hands, but in a good way." And that's still true.

 

Thing is, I don't care which protagonist deals with Solas so long as it happens. My Inquisitor does not view Solas as an epic, personal rival. He views Solas as a threat that must be stopped by any means necessary. If that means doing it himself, fine. If that means finding someone else and attacking Solas by proxy, also fine. Doesn't matter to Ashkas Adaar who gets the job done, so long as it's done. Doesn't matter to me, either.

[Oswin]

Maybe, just maybeeee

People don't care about narrative and storytelling?

 

I think we are a minority in this community.

I also think the writers of Bioware like to tell meaningful stories with parallels, circles, conflicts and resolutions...

Most of that content is ignored by the majority of the players, but it still exists, so I'm not that concerned. I trust Weekes, he is really good at telling stories.

 

I can't help myself from being a bit bummed out about the poll though, the longer it's active the more "new protagonist" votes there are.

 

I wouldn't take votes from the BSN to heart too much. Weirdly a lot of the people who still hang around outside the character fan threads are those who didn't even like the game. The thread about the GOTY version turned into one almost entirely about how TW3 is great and how DAI sucks   - so you will find all the people who want a clean slate for DA4 lurking around. 

Then there are those who don't care about Solas/Got their happily ever afters. I wonder how many Cullen romancers would want to see their wedded dog-owning bliss put at risk by having her go off to Tevinter without Cullen (I really really doubt he'll be in the next game. Really. I'd bet money on it. Especially as he might be dead.) Or those off with Josie? I don't know.

People tied to other romances may be more open to it because they didn't get fuzzy endings or their partners seem like they might be involved in helping, like Cass always appears at the table at the end, Dorian is away in Tevinter, IB doesn't stay with his IQ either I don't think. A lot of us did not get closure for our IQs, and not just 'in the way we wanted' but I mean at all. 

I don't care about other protagonists anymore. As far as I'm concerned my HoF is off with Zevran/returned to King Alistair's side and that's that. Hawke? Back in Kirkwall with his friends, hopefully because Fenris stormed off to Weisshaupt and dragged his ass back. Done. I want them to stay there and just eat, drink and be merry.

But I have two beloved Quizzies left in the dark here. Both wanting to redeem their friend and both stuck on their lonesome without an arm.

 

I had the most heartbreaking image in my head of my poor Dorianmancing Lavellan going back to what I keep imagining as an abandoned Skyhold and walking into Solas's room and just letting himself break down. His Inquisition family is gone and they guy has no closure. Just a long distant relationship and people spread out all over Thedas, one trying to destroy it. I'm not done with him. NOT DONE.

[Cee]

HE FINALLY ANSWERED OUR QUESTIONS. Well not all of them, but so much more than I was expecting. And he confessed to his identity. And it's obvious he doesn't want to go through with this, that if there's a better way he'd like to see it. How can I despair at that? 

 

Also Cole. I had spirit Cole with me the whole time and Cole is a source of hope too.

[ChuChu]

I found it interesting relistening to banter yesterday(I always play a rogue so at most I'll carry one other rogue, meaning Varric often got the shaft and was definitely never paired with Cole).  Cole mentions something about Varric having a softer song than his people used to have.  It made me think of Valta and descent when they talked about the song of the Titan.

 

It made me think that in the time of Sola/what Cole is remembering the people were intimately connected with that song already.  So I don't think it was in response to the blight.  I think they started losing the connection sometime around the blight.  I liked the Lady Insanity theory(not all of it) but the part that theorized that Titans might have been like a hive order. The dwarves were all a part of the larger assembly and for some reason the elves severed that connection.  

 

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...it will be interesting to see where all the 'song' overture goes.

[Uirebhiril]

Quoting my own post cause I'm still really curious about it and if there's any significance to it or not o/

 

There may be, but if so we'll see it in another game. It could lead to a temple or bastion of Fen'Harel, or just be more of the "guardian" imagery we see the statues used as. They had no shortage of wolf statues all over the darn place.

[Ven'inan]

There may be, but if so we'll see it in another game. It could lead to a temple or bastion of Fen'Harel, or just be more of the "guardian" imagery we see the statues used as. They had no shortage of wolf statues all over the darn place.

 

Very true, though it's worth mentioning that in the Crossroads Morrigan can see there's actually only statues of Andruil, Mythal and the two different pairs of Fen'harel. The three are also the only ones to have statues by the eluvians and all are placed around the same tower. 

[Sylvianus]

 

I can't help myself from being a bit bummed out about the poll though, the longer it's active the more "new protagonist" votes there are.

 

Don't feel too bad. In the previous polls on this forum about seeing the warden and Hawk again in the past, we always had like massive votes against seeing them again if not under our control, and unlike today, people felt very strongly about the matter. You had people that kept saying over and over " leave my warden or my hawk alone Bioware if I can't control them " in many topics. And always the same result, only a minority wanted to see Hawk and the warden again in DA:I. Maybe we weren't a minority ( if we count those who remain silent or don't give their opinion or don't vote ), but the opposite side was way more vocal than us on this forum. You'd think that almost everyone was opposed to that decision. Well, it still happened despite the big NO from the forum, because Bioware wanted to, despite all the recriminations lol. The forum didn't influence the devs at all. Bioware thought it would be cool and interesting, they did it. That's the real story. 

 

And I'm pretty sure we would have seen the warden too, if it weren't for all the technical issues. Bioware has obviously its own plan, regardless of what we all think, the epilogue pretty much showed us that to me. No matter what, the majority will always be pleased or interested by what will be the result with the next game anyways, despite maybe a little disappointment at the beginning for some. Obviously most of us love the dragon age franchise and it's likely we will accept any decision in the end, and the devs know it. 

[NeverlandHunter]

So, since the poll's up for discussion, thought I'd throw my two cents in. Me, I voted for new protagonist.

 

A few... quite a few pages back I mentioned that the ending to Trespasser finally got me interested in Solas after having been rather meh on him for the whole of the base game, even with the stinger at the end. I also explained that "interested" in this case meant "a desire to pummel him into a bloody mess with my bare hands, but in a good way." And that's still true.

 

Thing is, I don't care which protagonist deals with Solas so long as it happens. My Inquisitor does not view Solas as an epic, personal rival. He views Solas as a threat that must be stopped by any means necessary. If that means doing it himself, fine. If that means finding someone else and attacking Solas by proxy, also fine. Doesn't matter to Ashkas Adaar who gets the job done, so long as it's done. Doesn't matter to me, either.

Hmm, I don't understand how Solas can't be personal, no matter what your relationship with you was. He saved your life, led you to Skyhold, he traveled with you as a companion, shared meals and battles with you, he gave you advice and his opinion on things, and then he leaves without notice. Then you find out that his mark almost killed you, he pretended to be someone he was not (just a helpful hobo apostate mage, nothing more I say!), he misled you and wasn't honest with you, he was the indirect cause of the Breach and all the people that had suffered because of it, and now you find out he wants to destroy the Thedas we know, killing who knows how many in the process. He used you, your power, and your resources then saved your life one more time and left. 

[Cee]

Hmm, I don't understand how Solas can't be personal, no matter what your relationship with you was. He saved your life, led you to Skyhold, he traveled with you as a companion, shared meals and battles with you, he gave you advice and his opinion on things, and then he leaves without notice. Then you find out that his mark almost killed you, he pretended to be someone he was not (just a helpful hobo apostate mage, nothing more I say!), he misled you and wasn't honest with you, he was the indirect cause of the Breach and all the people that had suffered because of it, and now you find out he wants to destroy the Thedas we know, killing who knows how many in the process. He used you, your power, and your resources then saved your life one more time and left. 

 

 

Yes, this. You don't have to love him to be invested in his character or see it as personal. The blue option is there, after all. He can be the antagonist who was among you and you'll stop at all costs.

[AutumnOracle]

My first/canon playthroughs are always as a dual-wield rogue.

 

I play archers if you got em.  I still miss ranger from DAO.  I didn't do archer in DA2, but that's cause I felt like Hawke was more dual wielding personally.

 

I want my non Solas romancer to confront him more than my romanced one as well. Dealing with Solas goes way beyond just romantic intentions for me.

 

I still can't get my head around just how many people think that in the Inquisitor is totally useless now they have lost an arm. As if there has never been a videogame character with an artificial limb before. I CAN NAME SEVERAL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD FFS. 

And sure, a lot of those games are more Sci-fi and therefore have the tech for these things, but I feel like these people are forgetting that this isn't a 'true to history' medieval game. It's fantasy. If they can build Golems then my Inquisitor can get a new arm and not just the crossbow one. I'm pretty sure Bianca owes my Inquisitor her soul. If she really is 'ten times the smith that Branka was' then she can prove it. 

 

I'm part of the Dual Protagonist vote. I love my Quizzies and desperately want them to play a part in dealing with Solas. But if we are playing a game in Tevinter, I want to play a Tevinter-born character. So goodbye to my Dalish elf heroes    - But I want to play as someone from the area. In that fab Tevinter gear. I may also try to not play as an elf. 

I'm sure I can do it.

... 

I'm pretty sure Dorian would be mad if his beau is hanging round Minrathous after he told him to not as well. It'd be cool if there was something like the War Table again where you could switch from say, inside the city where your DA4 protagonist is to the outskirts somewhere and that would switch you over to your Inquisitor. 

Oh, or a Tavern! A Tavern in a remote location! You'd go sit down at the table as one character and the other would be sitting opposite, you can then select between the two and the camera would swing round to that one and they'd give a nod and get up, then boom. You're in control to go off. Certain characters can only go to certain locations. Maybe.

 

I've played a few games with multiple protagonists and it's something I quite like.

 

I know that I keep bringing this up and I have NO IDEA if it's even possible but I really do wonder if what Keiran was saying provides a possibility for us to get our hand back in the future.  If people used to have the ability to choose their form...maybe once the Veil comes down we can 'grow an arm' *I can find optimism anywhere!*

 

On a slightly related note to the rest I voted Dual cause I felt like I wanted to hunt Solas with Quizzy.  My other cannon is a married Cullen romance.  From that perspective I could see how people might be done and feel wrapped up. She however does not.  He's her friend and even if he wasn't she feels obligated to fix his mistakes.  My hubby mentioned in ME(again I've never played) that there were romances that could span games so you might choose not to have a romance in the second that would be continued in the third.  So it's not without president to have a character that is already in a relationship.  Plus you think Cullen knows us well enough and has been involved in stuff enough himself to want to help/join in the finding of Solas.  

[Shari'El]

I wouldn't take votes from the BSN to heart too much. Weirdly a lot of the people who still hang around outside the character fan threads are those who didn't even like the game. The thread about the GOTY version turned into one almost entirely about how TW3 is great and how DAI sucks   - so you will find all the people who want a clean slate for DA4 lurking around. 

Then there are those who don't care about Solas/Got their happily ever afters. I wonder how many Cullen romancers would want to see their wedded dog-owning bliss put at risk by having her go off to Tevinter without Cullen (I really really doubt he'll be in the next game. Really. I'd bet money on it. Especially as he might be dead.) Or those off with Josie? I don't know.

People tied to other romances may be more open to it because they didn't get fuzzy endings or their partners seem like they might be involved in helping, like Cass always appears at the table at the end, Dorian is away in Tevinter, IB doesn't stay with his IQ either I don't think. A lot of us did not get closure for our IQs, and not just 'in the way we wanted' but I mean at all. 

I don't care about other protagonists anymore. As far as I'm concerned my HoF is off with Zevran/returned to King Alistair's side and that's that. Hawke? Back in Kirkwall with his friends, hopefully because Fenris stormed off to Weisshaupt and dragged his ass back. Done. I want them to stay there and just eat, drink and be merry.

But I have two beloved Quizzies left in the dark here. Both wanting to redeem their friend and both stuck on their lonesome without an arm.

 

I had the most heartbreaking image in my head of my poor Dorianmancing Lavellan going back to what I keep imagining as an abandoned Skyhold and walking into Solas's room and just letting himself break down. His Inquisition family is gone and they guy has no closure. Just a long distant relationship and people spread out all over Thedas, one trying to destroy it. I'm not done with him. NOT DONE.

 

What's the point of being in the forums if you just hate the game?

Go find something to love instead.

 

For me it's less about getting attached to the character (although I am one of the odd ones who liked Inquisitor best, more than HoF or Hawke) it's just.. that the DLC ends with Inquisitor making plans to get to Solas.

 

I didn't mind the whole "new game new hero" formula, but that's because up until now it felt like my other character got their closure. 

My Warden became the mistress of King Alistair, and now searching for the cure for the taint. Her job is done, once the Archdemon was defeated I was prepared to let her go.

My Hawke romanced Fenris and I already imagined their lives after DA2, I wasn't even expecting her to show up in DAI.

My Inquisitor? Everybody's Inquisitor? 100% of them are alive, 100% of them going after Solas, 100% of them know about Solas' plan. Each and everyone of them, even those who never cared.

 

The Warden could've ended up being dead and neither Hawke nor the Warden had loose ends. You could argue that Hawke did because Corypheus popped up after she allegedly killed him, but Hawke didn't even know about that until DAI.

If, instead of Dragon Age: Inquisition, we had a game with Anders (who I don't like) as the antagonist after escaping from Kirkwall in the first game, I would've wanted Hawke to be back in a manner I could control her, even though I liked Hawke the least out of the series' protagonists.

[AutumnOracle]

 

My Warden became the mistress of King Alistair, and now searching for the cure for the taint. Her job is done, once the Archdemon was defeated I was prepared to let her go.

 

 

My newest friend!  I don't know many people who made this choice and none of them personally.  Mistress Warden and King Alistair for the win!  I would have said more heart wrenching but profound ending....till we met Solas.

[Cee]

I'm out of likes so *hands Shari'El a cookie*

[Shari'El]

I'm out of likes so *hands Shari'El a cookie*

 

This is the dark side, in which cookies are plentiful and likes are precious and scarce.

This. Is the Solas Thread.

[Jaderail]

Ugh... I can't believe so many people voted to have Inquisitor as a cameo. I really, really, really hope they don't do that to the Inquisitor unless they do it different this time. I can't stand how they pretty much just threw Hawke in the game, it did not feel like Hawke at all to me, and it was just handled poorly in all honesty. Previous protagonist comes back, explains life events in approximately 1 minute of casual chatting, accompanies Inquisitor into the Fade and dies or poofs off to Weisshaupt.

Um... okay?

 

The way Trespasser ends gives me the vibe that the Inquisitor will have a much larger role in the next game. If not as a sole protagonist, possibly as a dual protagonist if they decide to go that way, or maybe as an advisor type person. It just seems like really bad storywriting to pair up a protagonist and antagonist only to separate the two in the next installment, and have some complete stranger clean up the mess. 

[Uirebhiril]

I'm going to take a moment to note how interesting it was that not all romances -- or even NPCs -- had a perfect happy ending, based on relationships and choices made through the game. Romanced Sera? Have a wedding! Didn't? She finds love with Dagna. Bull could betray you, Dorian leaves no matter what, Blackwall will be dead if a Warden no matter what, and so on. I really like how they did that, because it felt real. Like the characters maintained their own bit of agency. It also made the Solas romance not seem like the one tragic outcome with no closure, and that was a tall order in itself. I hope they keep that trend going in the future.

[MayriyaNoori]

So bring back Zevran!  Zevran is too much of a chill bro to play for Team Solas.

 

(I may just have a serious hunger for silver fox Zevran in the new Frostbite engine  )

Catching up with thread, but I had to declare support for this idea.

[AllThatJazz]

I've been watching the poll and swearing so hard lol.

 

Good for you if you have your Inquisitors story all tied up neatly.. but not all of us do...

Yeah me too :/

 

Though (Team Optimism representing!) the more I think about it, the more I'm sure that the Inquisitor will be a relatively major part of the next game, it's just we don't know in what capacity yet.

 

If the Inquisitor's story was totally done, then I believe that Bioware would have allowed for various outcomes, the way they did with HoF. They would have let us follow Solas. They would have allowed a (stupid) Inquisitor to choose death rather than have their arm removed. They would have provided a genuine 'rides off into sunset' moment. But they didn't. All Inquisitors live, all lose their anchor hand, all state their choice to save/stop Solas.

 

So I guess what I'm really after is agency. However the Inquisitor appears, I want to be the one in control, and I'd like more than a 'token' appearance. I don't want an NPC who doesn't remotely resemble my girls' characters to come out with a variety of anodyne statements that result in a sense of alienation from my former protags. Preferably. 

 

@Shari'El and NeverlandHunter and Jaderail - out of likes but  for you all.

[NeverlandHunter]

Why can't my Warden just be the main character for DA4  ? She'll get Thedas straightened out fast!

The Warden: *getting back from vacation and watching ensuing destruction* Ugh, this is why I can't have nice things. Okay, time to beat things back to normal. You coming Zevran?

Zevran: Never doubt it mi amor!

Warden: Now let's see, what's on my list to do?

Search elven ruins for information on ancient elven magic... bleh, I bet I'll end up in the Fade, we'll save that for later.

Go to Denerim and speak with the alienage elves... hmmm, dad's been bugging me about grandkids, I can't deal with that right now.

Travel to Seheron and speak to Sten the Arishok... ugh, the Qun gives me a headache, later. 

Speak with Leliana Divine Victoria about resistance groups arsing... ugh, religious fanatics... definitely later.

Go into the Deep Roads and-- hahaha, no.

Find Justice and Anders... ugh, Anders. I'll tell Nathan to do it.

Collect 15 pages from the lost accounts of Rhea Goshot the Mad... perfect!

[AutumnOracle]

Not gonna lie...might have to buy....*sigh*

 

http://www.redbubble...=486&p=t-shirt 

[Shari'El]

Ugh... I can't believe so many people voted to have Inquisitor as a cameo. I really, really, really hope they don't do that to the Inquisitor unless they do it different this time. I can't stand how they pretty much just threw Hawke in the game, it did not feel like Hawke at all to me, and it was just handled poorly in all honesty. Previous protagonist comes back, explains life events in approximately 1 minute of casual chatting, accompanies Inquisitor into the Fade and dies or poofs off to Weisshaupt.

Um... okay?

 

The way Trespasser ends gives me the vibe that the Inquisitor will have a much larger role in the next game. If not as a sole protagonist, possibly as a dual protagonist if they decide to go that way, or maybe as an advisor type person. It just seems like really bad storywriting to pair up a protagonist and antagonist only to separate the two in the next installment, and have some complete stranger clean up the mess. 

 

"Nobody's left around, everybody went to live their lives after I disbanded the Inquisition."

"Solas? He was complicated. He not just a monster or a hero. Maybe he's both. Yes, I loved him, but we must stop him now."

 

[Inquisitor Stays.] <- (  ) -> [Hawke/Alistair/Stroud/Loghain Stays.]