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[AutumnOracle]

I'm going to take a moment to note how interesting it was that not all romances -- or even NPCs -- had a perfect happy ending, based on relationships and choices made through the game. Romanced Sera? Have a wedding! Didn't? She finds love with Dagna. Bull could betray you, Dorian leaves no matter what, Blackwall will be dead if a Warden no matter what, and so on. I really like how they did that, because it felt real. Like the characters maintained their own bit of agency. It also made the Solas romance not seem like the one tragic outcome with no closure, and that was a tall order in itself. I hope they keep that trend going in the future.

 

And here I was thinking that they all got mostly happy endings.  Except my Solas romance because Cullen is all sad and puppy dog eyes pathetic.  

 

Me: "You'll get your turn Cullen.  Let me bask in the Solas angst bubble"

[Cee]

Not gonna lie...might have to buy....*sigh*

 

http://www.redbubble...=486&p=t-shirt 

 

I need this one http://www.redbubble...pos=3&p=t-shirt

[drosophila]

I need this one http://www.redbubble...pos=3&p=t-shirt

 

I've had my eyes on this one for a while

 

http://www.redbubble...pos=1&p=t-shirt

[AutumnOracle]

I need this one http://www.redbubble...pos=3&p=t-shirt

 

I think I'm buying that for my friend.  Who is the first work friend I've ever made.  The reason: Dragon Age Inquisition.  

 

Me: Oh this book...it's just a book of lore for a video game I play. *expects her to instantly lose interest at the word video game*

Her: *Perks Up* Which game?

Me: *Assumes as normal that if they ask about video games they will only be familiar with more popular ones* "Oh...Dragon Age"

Her: "I love Dragon Age!"

Me: *OMG I Love You, you're my new best friend....act cool* "It's my favorite" *proceeds to nerd out*

 

Best Friend Ever = All thanks to Dragon Age  

[Oswin]

What's the point of being in the forums if you just hate the game?

Go find something to love instead.

 

 

Validation.

I see it on forums all the time. People hate or are disappointed in something, so they spend their time at the source making the same points over and over again in the hope of finding someone who will agree with them. Some people just have to be right even after all this time.

 

Because much like my ex and that girl who didn't care that he existed, people just don't know how to move on.

 

I'm going to take a moment to note how interesting it was that not all romances -- or even NPCs -- had a perfect happy ending, based on relationships and choices made through the game. Romanced Sera? Have a wedding! Didn't? She finds love with Dagna. Bull could betray you, Dorian leaves no matter what, Blackwall will be dead if a Warden no matter what, and so on. I really like how they did that, because it felt real. Like the characters maintained their own bit of agency. It also made the Solas romance not seem like the one tragic outcome with no closure, and that was a tall order in itself. I hope they keep that trend going in the future.

 

Some of them were brutal. Romanced and Qun loyal IB? Prepared to be mocked in Thedas history! Some say unfairly cruel but I kinda think it's a nice touch. Songs will be sung about your Quizzies and the idea that their lover took part in an invasion and tried to kill them? Yeah, you better believe those gossiping Orlesians would be talking about it.

I'm not sure why a T-V IB doesn't seem to stay with the IQ though, or that don't join the Chargers. I want my Adaar to join the Chargers! That's what he did before the Inquisition!

Blackwall dying if you made him a Warden was also harsh, but again, I feel a respectable outcome from a choice. People always be moaning that your choices don't amount to much afterall.

Doesn't divine Cassandra end their relationship because unlike Leliana, she doesn't want to make any drastic changes? I'll need to look that up..

 

But yeah, Solas definitely isn't the worst. 

[Uirebhiril]

And here I was thinking that they all got mostly happy endings.  Except my Solas romance because Cullen is all sad and puppy dog eyes pathetic.  

 

Me: "You'll get your turn Cullen.  Let me bask in the Solas angst bubble"

 

Satisfying endings, to some degree, but if Dorian is a long term relationship, if Bull could betray a romanced Inquisitor, Blackwall dies if you made him a Warden, Cassandra breaks up with you to be Divine... they might be good for the story and the particular character, but happy is questionable.

[Baklava]

Hm... I like the idea of Dagna teaming up with Bianca to invent a runed prosthetic. No more farfetched than Shepard being resurrected with science.

 

Though if the Inquisitor does return there'd have to be two (or three) different starting points. Inquisition continues, is disbanded, or is disbanded and he/she is now a Red Jenny. It'd be like returning to the Warden story quest lines in a way. 

[dragondreamer]

It's really perspective, yeah.  Until DA:I, I didn't feel like my Warden had closure, because Morrigan ran off his his kid (with an Old God soul!), and there was a lot of mystery surrounding what he was up to with Avernus and the other Wardens in DA2.  Most of that felt resolved in DA:I, although there's still some questions about the Calling quest, and exactly what Avernus found that got him riled up.  Even if the Warden is never seen onscreen again, I'm hoping for some additional answers whenever we hit whatever is going on up at Weisshaupt.

 

Hawke could have faded out, and then mine literally kinda did.  Either way, Hawke feels finished up.

 

Solasmancer or not, Quizzy doesn't feel like they're done yet.  Getting that big choice option to say whether you'll try to redeem/kill Solas was very unexpected, and it makes me dare to hope.  Telanadas.  That ending seemed designed to let us know Quizzy isn't bowing out yet.  It's just even more obvious for Solasmancers.  (I certainly didn't get that "my adventuring days are done" line I see tossed around.)  Dual protags would be awesome, but I'm on the side of caution that it's more likely they'll be playing a prominent npc role.  I kinda like the idea of Quizzy playing the mysterious chess master opposite Solas, with new protag as her champion.

[MoonDrummer]

What's the point of being in the forums if you just hate the game?

Go find something to love instead.

They want to not hate the next game. 

[Raege]

I don't know why they couldn't do it Awakening style and have an option to keep going as quizzy or roll a new generic Vint. I feel like that would make everyone happy. I'm sure they could come up with some sort of codex entry on why quizzy isn't participating if rolling a new character and have two different starting experiences depending on which way the player decided to play (I mean, origins had like 6 starting stories). At least for me it would just feel weird trying not to meta-game on a new character with the knowledge I have of Solas from DAI. And on the other hand I see it would be a bit confusing for new players to start as the quizzy.

[Arshes Nei]

Thought I would jump on the Inquisitor in/out for DA4 banwagon. From a story teller standpoint Inky has to come back in one form or another. Where the arguement could be made that "alright they can be a codex entry/wartable type cameo", that doesn't add up to what has been done in DAI. For one, the Well of Sorrows. This quest wasn't part of a side quest or anything. It was a focal mission with no and/or buts. You have to do it and you get a choice of either drinking or not. This will go one of two ways, either Inky now gets Geased into doing what Flemythal wants to achieve her ends, or Morrigan is made to do it. Either way Inky plays a part. Another point in the Inquisitor comes back is that end of Trespasser. Bioware would not have made such an open ended finale unless there was at least plans for Inky to come back. Could this vision get scrapped for unforeseen reasons? Yes, happens all the time and there is a long wait before the next installment. Basically the ending for DAI is different then any of the other DAs, which begs the question of why? Because Solas was a main companion and is going to be in the next DA? Well they could have played that much differently if Inky wasn't coming back. Anyway just my opinion and hence I am firmly in optimism mode.

 

Off topic but I wanted to say it so bad since I have been lurking since before Trespasser. I would love for the end to give the option of dying for or with Solas at the end of DA4 or whenever that story arc is finished if Solas HAS to die. My Inky was solid neutral morality,  did not want to save people or die for them. Just happened that things turned out good for people when she tried to set things on track.

[Eomie]

SO, I was playing around with a few ideas. I think the best thing will be taking down the veil, because there are many, many comments about how the Grey Wardens are only prolonging the blight. They may very well have to burn away the sickness to cure it from the world anyway. Any thoughts on this?

[Kadust]

Not gonna lie...might have to buy....*sigh*

 

http://www.redbubble...=486&p=t-shirt 

I did buy. *giggles*

[Sable Rhapsody]

I don't know why they couldn't do it Awakening style and have an option to keep going as quizzy or roll a new generic Vint. I feel like that would make everyone happy. I'm sure they could come up with some sort of codex entry on why quizzy isn't participating if rolling a new character and have two different starting experiences depending on which way the player decided to play (I mean, origins had like 6 starting stories). At least for me it would just feel weird trying not to meta-game on a new character with the knowledge I have of Solas from DAI. And on the other hand I see it would be a bit confusing for new players to start as the quizzy.

 

VA, mostly.  The protagonist in DA:O/DA:A was silent, so it's a totally different scenario.  A bit of math:

 

Let's say you have 20 lines of dialogue that you need the protagonist to say.  If the protagonist is quizzy, that's 80 lines of VA material (20 x 4 voices).  If it's a brand new PC, you'd need 40 lines for male and female voices, maybe more.  If you had a choice of which one you played, that 20 lines of written dialogue turns into 80+40=120 lines of spoken.  6 times the amount of work, and that's not even getting into branching dialogue trees.

 

Now look at the same scenario with a twist: 20 lines of dialogue, but the player controls both protagonists, and the dialogue is split up among them.  10 lines for quizzy, and 10 for the new PC.  That susses out to 40+20=60 lines of spoken.  Still a lot of work, but much less than what you'd have by giving players the option of which character they play.

 

tl;dr: options are nice, but expensive.

[AutumnOracle]

Satisfying endings, to some degree, but if Dorian is a long term relationship, if Bull could betray a romanced Inquisitor, Blackwall dies if you made him a Warden, Cassandra breaks up with you to be Divine... they might be good for the story and the particular character, but happy is questionable.

 

I can see how it could be pretty sad.  I only know about these endings because of the forums.  There's also the Cullen could die and I felt like Josie's allow Leliana to murder-knife the assassins ended better for her than the diplomatic ending.

[RynJ]

I won't lie, I don't know how happy I'll be if DA4 just has Quizzy again as the protagonist. In my perfect world, it would be dual protagonist or at least multiple parts of the game where you control both. Or, at the very least, the confrontation with Solas allows you to control both in dialogue while previously you don't communicate with the Inquisitor in person.

 

I understand the desire to continue on with previous characters, and the Inquisitor HAS to have a huge hand in finally confronting Solas, but I like having a new protagonist every time. Mass Effect was great for what it was, but Dragon Age is something else. I like being able to have a character from a new background with a new perspective getting to know a whole new group of companions (I wouldn't be disappointed in the least if absolutely no companions were returning characters) and falling for a new LI. This is especially true now that evidently we're going to Tevinter and dealing with Qunari issues. I want to make a Tevinter mage or qunari protag more than ever!

 

In the grand scheme of things, I DO want somebody new as the protagonist. At the same time, it has to be the Inquisitor who confronts Solas. I really can't come up with any RP related excuse in my head in which a new character would do anything but try to kill Solas. If the Inquisitor is there in person (and under our control) for that and only that, it'd be just fine for me.

 

Dual protagonist would be frigging sweet, though!

[S.W.]

Probably.  It was the same with Warden and Hawke.  Some people got really attached to those characters, and others didn't.  

 

DA:O is still my favourite game of the series, and I am massively attached to all of my wardens and all of their companions (including the Awakening squad, which don't get half as much love as they deserve). To the extent that I've got a flipping massive headcanon about one of them making their way into the Inquisition.

 

However, I'd be the first to argue that the warden's story primarily ended with the blight - and that I'd never want them back as a PC, or a cameo. I think one of the weaknesses of DA:I is that it had too many cameos (I still think Morrigan's appearance, as wonderful as it was, was probably unnecessary) and should have invested in new characters a lot more.

 

I'm probably not as attached to my Lavellan, although I do care for her dearly, but her story arc was not completed as of Trespasser. Trespasser was as much a beginning as it was an end. I want her back as a dual protagonist, because that would give us the continuity of the Solas vs. Inquisition arc whilst also letting us explore new relationships and places.

 

 

Edit: TOP! Have these awesome sketches by swevenfox:

 

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[Sable Rhapsody]

I'm probably not as attached to my Lavellan, although I do care for her dearly, but her story arc was not completed as of Trespasser. Trespasser was as much a beginning as it was an end. I want her back as a dual protagonist, because that would give us the continuity of the Solas vs. Inquisition arc whilst also letting us explore new relationships and places.

 

The more I think about it, the more I think dual protagonist is the way to go.  It doesn't have to be evenly weighted either.  Maybe you play as the new PC for 65% of the game and quizzy for 35% or whatever.  

 

And I personally get more out of the RP experience by having another protagonist in the mix, which is why I think I've come to appreciate DA so much more as a setting than Mass Effect.  I learn to see the world and its issues through multiple characters' eyes, and that makes the whole game experience richer for me.  

[BoscoBread]

VA, mostly.  The protagonist in DA:O/DA:A was silent, so it's a totally different scenario.  A bit of math:

 

Let's say you have 20 lines of dialogue that you need the protagonist to say.  If the protagonist is quizzy, that's 80 lines of VA material (20 x 4 voices).  If it's a brand new PC, you'd need 40 lines for male and female voices, maybe more.  If you had a choice of which one you played, that 20 lines of written dialogue turns into 80+40=120 lines of spoken.  6 times the amount of work, and that's not even getting into branching dialogue trees.

 

Now look at the same scenario with a twist: 20 lines of dialogue, but the player controls both protagonists, and the dialogue is split up among them.  10 lines for quizzy, and 10 for the new PC.  That susses out to 40+20=60 lines of spoken.  Still a lot of work, but much less than what you'd have by giving players the option of which character they play.

 

tl;dr: options are nice, but expensive.

Yes. I think people forget the exponentially huge amount of choices the game has to consider from the 3 games. 

 

I see all the time 'OH JUST ADD IT, IT'S NO BIG!'. Like all those people that complained that Qun!Bull didn't get a fun birthday thing and Laidlaw was like, "we wanted to reward people who made the right decisions because this takes time, money, and effort".  

 

That's why canon is starting to be forced.  Not only because(and to me most importantly) the story makes 1000% more sense and is better.  But because it's expensive to account for all those choices.

 

I don't think the multi-protag is a bad idea.  The quizzy's story is done...for most people it really is.  Not everybody romanced Solas.  Not everybody cares that much.  But admittedly - facing Solas without the Quizzy is stupid. So they should come back at least for a little bit.  I think the meat and potatoes of the game would be a new protag.  Thus new faces, new companions, new friends, and new LI.  And I think it could be done well and fit into a 150 hour game.  but you'd still have your hand in the final pieces of the quizzy story and can be in the drivers seat when facing down solas. 

[Illyria]

DA:O is still my favourite game of the series, and I am massively attached to all of my wardens and all of their companions (including the Awakening squad, which don't get half as much love as they deserve). To the extent that I've got a flipping massive headcanon about one of them making their way into the Inquisition.

 

However, I'd be the first to argue that the warden's story primarily ended with the blight - and that I'd never want them back as a PC, or a cameo. I think one of the weaknesses of DA:I is that it had too many cameos (I still think Morrigan's appearance, as wonderful as it was, was probably unnecessary) and should have invested in new characters a lot more.

 

I'm probably not as attached to my Lavellan, although I do care for her dearly, but her story arc was not completed as of Trespasser. Trespasser was as much a beginning as it was an end. I want her back as a dual protagonist, because that would give us the continuity of the Solas vs. Inquisition arc whilst also letting us explore new relationships and places.

 

The moment we get a Sigrun and Velanna pannel in the Keep I will be very happy.

 

Honestly, Velanna is one of the biggests reason for keeping the Architect alive.

[Solas]

why THE **** am I reading art school AU of bog king and fairy princess from that stupid movie HWATSHAKHU

[BoscoBread]

The moment we get a Sigrun and Velanna pannel in the Keep I will be very happy.

 

Honestly, Velanna is one of the biggests reason for keeping the Architect alive.

Everybody forgets Shale.  My glorious Shale  

[Sable Rhapsody]

I see all the time 'OH JUST ADD IT, IT'S NO BIG!'. Like all those people that complained that Qun!Bull didn't get a fun birthday thing and Laidlaw was like, "we wanted to reward people who made the right decisions because this takes time, money, and effort".  

 

It reminds me of all the people giving David Gaider flack over the VA.  "Oh, just add a toggle for not having the VA!  It'll be simple!"  Pfft    Stuff that looks simple user-end is almost never that simple developer-end.  Just look at all the trouble the modders had getting rid of Solas's stupid hat.  A few different people tackled that problem, and they didn't have a working mod for it until months later.

 

 

Everybody forgets Shale.  My glorious Shale

 

Shale has a Keep tile, doesn't she?  I distinctly remember a looming golem.

[BoscoBread]

It reminds me of all the people giving David Gaider flack over the VA.  "Oh, just add a toggle for not having the VA!  It'll be simple!"  Pfft    Stuff that looks simple user-end is almost never that simple developer-end.  Just look at all the trouble the modders had getting rid of Solas's stupid hat.  A few different people tackled that problem, and they didn't have a working mod for it until months later.

 

 

 

Shale has a Keep tile, doesn't she?  I distinctly remember a looming golem.

Oh yeah, she does. 

 

BUT IT'S NEVER A BAD TIME TO REMEMBER HER!

 

*sulks off grumbling*

[Eivuwan]

Uhhh, I didn't expect these poll results. Sorry for stressing you guys out! *Hides in blanket fort.*