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[TheEggCrusher]

 
You are determined to cause yourself pain  
 
Mostly I don't think he's possessed in the same way as Anders because it would be kind of a bad story?  Solas does terrible things, and has terrible plans, but it's all on him.  He takes complete responsibility for every awful thing he as done and will do.  Having him be possessed or magically influenced IMO is a cheap cop-out, a way of saying, "Well, it wasn't him so it's ok now."
 

*still* out of likes but

I've had days like that. "Falon'Din, help me make heads or tails of this mountain of incomprehensible data, and I shall worship your divine, glittery form any time, anywhere."

Definitely. I don't think he's possessed exactly, but just that the evidence of whatever he absorbed from Flemythal is showing. He is in full control, and I don't doubt that. But he did absorb something ... and whatever that might be (Mythal or Flemeth or the essence of either or both) might and probably will cause trouble later 

[RynJ]

well yea he is an extremely powerful mage.

 

anyways guys I'm not trying to say this is a bad thing or anything. I know he's in full control of whatever he took from Flemeth. I just think it's an interesting connection, and relating this to Anders brings up some similarities between the two that are kinda depressing (the whole "Kill a bunch of people so things can get better" gag) 

 

Can't deny that it is any interesting connection 

 

Maybe, but even so Solas isn't influenced by whatever spirit he may have absorbed. He's been planning on doing all of this long before he absorbed Flemythal. I wouldn't really compare his and Anders' situation in that way at all because all the "spirit" seems to be doing is helping him regain strength he evidently used to have.

[TheEggCrusher]

Maybe, but even so Solas isn't influenced by whatever spirit he may have absorbed. He's been planning on doing all of this long before he absorbed Flemythal. I wouldn't really compare his and Anders' situation in that way at all because all the "spirit" seems to be doing is helping him regain strength he evidently used to have.

As I said, he's in full control. It's just worrisome to think about, especially considering Flemythal and her whacked up plans for revenge and her manipulative ways.

 

Just something to think about. I'm not saying he's going to go batsh*tcrazy like anders. I'm just worried x-x  

[dragondreamer]

I don't think Solas has Mythal's essence.  It looked like she sent that away through the eluvian.  Pretty sure Solas just has Mythal's power, and he's just himself. 

[midnight tea]

But that only applies for those playthroughs where Kieran was the result of a Dark Ritual.  Not everyone sees that.  I kind of think there will be little to no mention of this going forward because it's been such a headache for them to deal with.  I mean, a huge plot point that's optional?  And that they then have to keep track of both for those who did the DR and those who didn't.  So whatever Kieran gave Flemeth and whatever Flemeth did with it ... may remain a mystery, at least for now.

 

... Isn't a chance to redeem Solas a huge plot point that's otherwise optional? Or Inquisitor drinking from the Well?

 

In any case, yes - I think OGB will be important later in some regard; perhaps for a narrow path that will let us achieve the 'bestest' ending at the very end of this franchises' current arc. They wouldn't be including that scene (entirely redesigned and set in unique evirnoment) at all if it wasn't important, nor imply that Flemeth was testing Morrigan in some way (or show her smiling as she wakes away). Whatever headache they've seem to have brought themselves with the Dark Ritual, it seems to me they're committed to continue to implement it further.

[Sah291]

Definitely. I don't think he's possessed exactly, but just that the evidence of whatever he absorbed from Flemythal is showing. He is in full control, and I don't doubt that. But he did absorb something ... and whatever that might be (Mythal or Flemeth or the essence of either or both) might and probably will cause trouble later

Yeah I think it's probably Mythal/Flemeth's power/spirit he has inside him now. And I think it's probably reminiscent of Anders, just because Flemeth is/was reminiscent of Anders in a lot of ways. I guess this is maybe part of his plan to deal with the elven gods once the veil comes down and why she willingly gave her power to him in the first place? Or maybe it's just blue for effect. Who knows.

[Elessara]

... Isn't a chance to redeem Solas a huge plot point that's otherwise optional? Or Inquisitor drinking from the Well?

 

In any case, yes - I think OGB will be important later in some regard; perhaps for a narrow path that will let us achieve the 'bestest' ending at the very end of this franchises' current arc. They wouldn't be including that scene (entirely redesigned and set in unique evirnoment) at all if it wasn't important, nor imply that Flemeth was testing Morrigan in some way (or show her smiling as she wakes away). Whatever headache they've seem to have brought themselves with the Dark Ritual, it seems to me they're committed to continue to implement it further.

 

Possibly.  It depends on if we actually deal with Solas and his plans in the next game, how those plans carry forward and if we do deal with Solas in the next game, how likely will he be to appear in future games.

 

And I would actually love for the DR to have some meaningful impact in the future.  It would be awesome.

[TheEggCrusher]

Yeah I think it's probably Mythal/Flemeth's power/spirit he has inside him now. And I think it's probably reminiscent of Anders, just because Flemeth is/was reminiscent of Anders in a lot of ways. I guess this is maybe part of his plan to deal with the elven gods once the veil comes down and why she willingly have her power to him in the first place? Or maybe it's just blue for effect. Who knows.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Another thing that people don't realize is that Anders is very similar to Flemythal in one important way: they both have spirits of revenge, to some extent, in their bodies. Anders was actually recently defined as Anders/Revenge by bioware, and we all know that Mythal is revenge crazy. 

 

Polluted Justice=revenge. Mythal was said to be a goddess of justice and protection. 

 

Thinking about this really is just ... upsetting 

[Jayla]

Hey guys, apologies if this has already been shared/discussed/etc. but I saw this while perusing tumblr and thought it was a great find: http://saltybiowaref...guardian-theory

I know we've talked about Solas' relationship with Mythal and him being her guardian, but it makes me think of Celene and Michel's relationship. At the clincher, Celene readily jumped up to defend Michel, but hesitated with Briala. That speaks of a bond that could go closer than love?

I don't know, I'm babbling and tired. Just wanted to share. xD *slinks back into the shadows*

[S.W.]

Who I would LIke to see in FrostBite Engine - NewGen:
Zevran
Maor Alistair
THE ARCHITECT
Nathanial Howe - I bet he's a silver fox
STEN - nnnngggg

DA4 will just be a montage of shirtless cameos of these fine men. Biower plz. 
 

Loghain should come back to.
 
And be romanceable.

I do not disagree with this.

guys, I think I'm attracted to Loghain.

pls halp.
 
 

I love Teagan in Trespasser.  His concerns were completely valid.  And I thought he was ALMOST totally reasonable. 
 
But man did Father Time beat him down.
 
Loghain on the other hand....nice.

 
Yeah, I think people's dislike is an example of PC centred morality. Disagree with your character? MUST BE EVIL. I think Teagan's concerns were valid, even if I find the comparison of the Warden's exile from Ferelden embarassing given the HoF's previous assistance, I just wish he looked less like he'd aged 50 years.
 

So I just realized something I should have waaaay sooner 
 

Spoiler

 
Abominations' eyes glow.
 

Spoiler

 

 
Well this is extremely depressing. 
 
I guess Solas really does have some foreign spirit in him, if not Mythal. It all depends on what Flemeth was putting through the mirror during the ending cutscene. Could be mythal, could not be. Could be flemeth for all we know. Main point is, he's most likely, by definition, an abomination. 
 
Why do I hurt myself like this x-x

Could just be a sign of speshul elven magic. The effects over the three games aren't too consistent.

Alternatively, if the elves = spirits theory is true, it's likely the spirty, can-shape-the-world-at-will side coming out. Solas states: "I am no one's agent but my own", I doubt that'd be true if he had a bit of flemythal in him - probably just sapped her power.

It's probably just magic.

[Eivuwan]

Does anyone else thinks Solas looks super cool when his eyes glow and people turn into statues? I wonder why they choose that ability though. Sandal can also petrify people. Hmm.... Medusa also turns people to stone. I don't know where I'm going with this lol.

[Sah291]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Another thing that people don't realize is that Anders is very similar to Flemythal in one important way: they both have spirits of revenge, to some extent, in their bodies. Anders was actually recently defined as Anders/Revenge by bioware, and we all know that Mythal is revenge crazy.

Polluted Justice=revenge. Mythal was said to be a goddess of justice and protection.

Thinking about this really is just ... upsetting

Yeah, it was foreshadowed a bit in DA2. They kinda have a knowing exchange when he asks her what she is, and then at the end after he blows up the Chantry he repeats her words to Hawke (about there being no change without an end). They are a lot alike.

I think Solas knew exactly what he was getting into when he went to her, though, he's not necessarily being controlled...still we really don't know what's going on at all.

[drosophila]

Does anyone else thinks Solas looks super cool when his eyes glow and people turn into statues? I wonder why they choose that ability though. Sandal can also petrify people. Hmm.... Medusa also turns people to stone. I don't know where I'm going with this lol.

Glowing eye kiss was hot. A bit creepy but hot.

[TheEggCrusher]

Yeah, it was foreshadowed a bit in DA2. They kinda have a knowing exchange when he asks her what she is, and then at the end after he blows up the Chantry he repeats her words to Hawke (about there being no change without an end). They are a lot alike.

I think Solas knew exactly what he was getting into when he went to her, though, he's not necessarily being controlled...still we really don't know what's going on at all.

Yeah Solas definitely knew, and since we don't know what exactly is going on, might as well make broad interpretations from all different angles so that when the sh*t hits the fan we're not all crying and peeing ourselves in a new hellspiral ...   

[Moondreamer01]

Hey guys, apologies if this has already been shared/discussed/etc. but I saw this while perusing tumblr and thought it was a great find: http://saltybiowaref...guardian-theory

I know we've talked about Solas' relationship with Mythal and him being her guardian, but it makes me think of Celene and Michel's relationship. At the clincher, Celene readily jumped up to defend Michel, but hesitated with Briala. That speaks of a bond that could go closer than love?

I don't know, I'm babbling and tired. Just wanted to share. xD *slinks back into the shadows*

A few of us were discussing that exact possibility last week I think it's quite possible. The only thing is that I think that, by the time Mythal was murdered, Solas had regained his freedom from her service, and was already working on freeing other slaves, as per a the murals we find in TRespasser, plus what Spirit!Cole tells us of someone "burning her off his face, leaving a mark". Doesn't mean he couldn't have still looked up to her though.

[midnight tea]

Possibly.  It depends on if we actually deal with Solas and his plans in the next game, how those plans carry forward and if we do deal with Solas in the next game, how likely will he be to appear in future games.

 

And I would actually love for the DR to have some meaningful impact in the future.  It would be awesome.

 

I get that more often than not they offer us more of an illusion of choice, which is understandable from a perspective of a story that has to be coherent, or can't diverge too much from the basic canon for the entire story - but I don't believe they'd offer us those choices if they weren't significant in some way. We likely may not be able to "save" the world from whatever world-ripping change will happen to it in the future, but I do believe that any of those larger choices on a crit path (and DR is a choice on a crit path, offered to every PC) will eventually factor into more diverging choices at the very end of the story, or the chance of getting a 'better' or 'worse' outcome.

[Elessara]

 
Yeah, I think people's dislike is an example of PC centred morality. Disagree with your character? MUST BE EVIL. I think Teagan's concerns were valid, even if I find the comparison of the Warden's exile from Ferelden embarassing given the HoF's previous assistance, I just wish he looked less like he'd aged 50 years.
 
 

 

I think Teagan's concerns were valid as well.  He could have been much less antagonistic about it though.  Also, he accuses the Inquisition of taking over the fort in Crestwood but obviously the crown made no attempt to ask the Inquisition to hand the fort over to their own soldiers.  Given the possible assistance the Inquisition has given in Ferelden, I'd think a more diplomatic approach could have been used as opposed to outright hostility.

[Elessara]

I get that more often than not they offer us more of an illusion of choice, which is understandable from a perspective of a story that has to be coherent, or can't diverge too much from the basic canon for the entire story - but I don't believe they'd offer us those choices if they weren't significant in some way. We likely may not be able to "save" the world from whatever world-ripping change will happen to it in the future, but I do believe that any of those larger choices on a crit path (and DR is a choice on a crit path, offered to every PC) will eventually factor into more diverging choices at the very end of the story, or the chance of getting a 'better' or 'worse' outcome.

 

That would be great!  I think also the Keep will help them keep track of the choices they want to take into account.  As sad as an end to the DA series will be, I'm seriously excited about how all of our choices will affect the outcome of the world at the end. 

[Sah291]

Yeah Solas definitely knew, and since we don't know what exactly is going on, might as well make broad interpretations from all different angles so that when the sh*t hits the fan we're not all crying and peeing ourselves in a new hellspiral ...

Well we still don't know that Mythal is a big bad, hopefully her vengeance is just focused on the pantheon and as long as she gets what she wants...maybe she will stop Solas before he goes too far. Vengeance punishes Pride usually.

[S.W.]

I think Teagan's concerns were valid as well.  He could have been much less antagonistic about it though.  Also, he accuses the Inquisition of taking over the fort in Crestwood but obviously the crown made no attempt to ask the Inquisition to hand the fort over to their own soldiers.  Given the possible assistance the Inquisition has given in Ferelden, I'd think a more diplomatic approach could have been used as opposed to outright hostility.

One wonders whether the eventual withdrawal from the castle in Crestwood, and other pieces of previously disputed land the Inquisition occupied, would have been discussed with various Ferelden dignitaries shortly after Corypheus died, away from Orlesian eyes, in private. The only reason he'd be that aggressive is if talks had previously fallen apart and the Inquisition had refused to budge, meaning Ferelden appealed to the Divine and Orlais (the fact that both nations are taking varying opposition stances despite their history says quite a lot).

One bugbear I have is that I feel like Trespasser made my Inquisitor come off as an incompetent leader. From the conflict with Ferelden & Orlais, to the fact that virtually every servant in the Winter palace was spying for someone (Sera hints as much), I'm surprised that keeping the Inquisition running is still an option - in reality, I doubt that'd be allowed. I tried to RP my Inquisitor as someone who'd actually rise to the role well and be exceedingly detailed and thorough with her work, the Inquisition no exception. So I'm a little peeved the end was presented in the way it was.

I'd prefer they'd found some random power-hungry Arl from Ferelden who's grandstanding is a front for his desire to aquire all your assets, tbh. A spiritual successor to Arl Howe.

[jthibeault]

erg wrong thread 

[TheEggCrusher]

Well we still don't know that Mythal is a big bad, hopefully her vengeance is just focused on the pantheon and as long as she gets what she wants...maybe she will stop Solas before he goes too far. Vengeance punishes Pride usually.

I'm hoping she intervenes too. Honestly, I'm just waiting for Morrigan to pop up like 

 

"So I have my mom's god soul and I'm ready to save the world. Let's go." and then she helps the main protagonist next game and stuff is (sorta) all great 

 

In the end, as long as we can redeem Solas then I'm fine. I'm even ok if he has to die, as long as he dies well, knowing that Lavellan loves him etc. I'm all for Lavellan and Solas being spirit!lovers in the fade after they die. Totally my head canon XD

 

edit: ok that death thing sounds morbid, but I just want them to be together without the weight of the world on their shoulders. I don't want Solas's past to matter or Lavellan's past. I just want them to be together, simply and truly, and I think that could be accomplished through death (don't hate me) 

[midnight tea]

Hey guys, apologies if this has already been shared/discussed/etc. but I saw this while perusing tumblr and thought it was a great find: http://saltybiowaref...guardian-theory

 

I also suspect it's something like that. It also seems to confirm that Leliana-Justinia relationship seems to be a VERY close (and intentional) mirror of this very plausible Solas-Mythal relationship, as well as role in the world, or their personal arc.

 

I mean, Leliana's personal arc seems to be an almost exact frikking copy of what's Solas is going through, even if not at the comparable scale. If Inky doesn't stop her, she drifts to becoming the woman she hates.

 

Even tiles for her quest in DA have an oddly familiar feel to them.

 

Description of a tile for hardened Leliana: "Certain she was doing the right thing, Leliana put her conscience aside to ensure that the greater good was achieved."

Hmmmm.... now who I can think of who seems to act in a very similar fashion now, ey???

 

(Bioware, you trolls!)

[Elessara]

One wonders whether the eventual withdrawal from the castle in Crestwood, and other pieces of previously disputed land the Inquisition occupied, would have been discussed with various Ferelden dignitaries shortly after Corypheus died, away from Orlesian eyes, in private. The only reason he'd be that aggressive is if talks had previously fallen apart and the Inquisition had refused to budge, meaning Ferelden appealed to the Divine and Orlais (the fact that both nations are taking varying opposition stances despite their history says quite a lot).
 

 

The problem with this scenario though is that something like this should have been an RP opportunity or a wartable mission as not every Inquisitor for every person would handle this the same way.  My main Inquisitor would have gladly handed over the keep in Crestwood to Ferelden forces.  Other Inquisitors might not have.  Honestly, turning over Inquisition occupied areas over to their respective countries *should* have been done within a few months after Cory's defeat - or at least talks of such a nature should have occurred but we're never shown that they might have nor given a chance to do so ourselves.  All we can infer then is that nothing happened.

[Cee]

Leliana's arc definitely took me from sad back to happy again as a player when I was able to help her put all of that behind her and find her way again and remind her of her great compassion. If they accomplish something similar with Solas, I'll be satisfied.