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[Brass_Buckles]

I know. And if it's player's choice, suddenly you need to record the main character's dialogue six times over to account for the new character who has to have at least 2 voices, and quizzy who has 4. It's a lot of extra work for, as you said, a few people who are new to the series. So IMO not worth it.

By ME3 they basically just tossed people in and said go. I think it'll be the same with DA4.

 

Am I the only one who sees the possibility of maybe using one of the voices you didn't use for the new second protagonist if that scenario were to happen?  Female character, chose Alix's VA for Inquisitor, you can use either of the male Inquisitor VA's for the second, or Sumalee's voice.  No need for another two VAs.

 

Yeah, it was foreshadowed a bit in DA2. They kinda have a knowing exchange when he asks her what she is, and then at the end after he blows up the Chantry he repeats her words to Hawke (about there being no change without an end). They are a lot alike.

I think Solas knew exactly what he was getting into when he went to her, though, he's not necessarily being controlled...still we really don't know what's going on at all.

 

No change without an end?  I don't remember that line, and yet...

 

I already decided Mythal was on board with Solas when she willingly let him take her power.  If she genuinely thinks the world will have to end for a new beginning, then my theory that she'll take over even if we stop Solas might be right.  Maybe it is Mythal Merrill will end up working with, not Solas.

 

I also repeat my concern about the Sentinels.  Though his duty is done, Abelas says at the Well that you will be bound "as we are bound."  Meaning that he's still bound to the will of Mythal, even if he's not needed right this instant.  So if Abelas survives stabbing or you let him live, and he shows up?  Yeah, he's most likely going to be trouble for us, if he appears.  Be suspicious!

 

Something I thought of too:

 

Maybe the reason the Dalish lore was torn to shreds for DA:I is because there aren't any Dalish (except for captured slaves) in Tevinter.  If we play an elf there, the background will be vastly different.  It won't even be that similar to the city elf culture.

 

And speaking of city elves, I would really love to play one again and learn more about the day-to-day life of a city elf.  Remember that whole "you have to be married as a rite of passage" thing?  Totally different culture from the Dalish.  And... actually having a spouse pre-attached might be interesting?  I mean you could still romance someone else because it was never a love match, but maybe you'd rather be faithful to your spouse?

 

Don't mind me.  I am tired.

[FernRain]

I haven't caught up so I don't know if anyone's added this yet, but the Inquisitor's eyes glow when activating the Anchor in its final stage. Full-on creepy Fade green, no less. Though that may have only been when it was at the third tier of Focus and was about to go off on its own if I didn't use it right then and there.

 

I think glowy eyes just means channeling a ton of power in general.

 

I just took this. It happens to everyone in your party too. Cole looks like Solas' dying spirit friend.

 

[TheEggCrusher]

Maybe the reason the Dalish lore was torn to shreds for DA:I is because there aren't any Dalish (except for captured slaves) in Tevinter.  If we play an elf there, the background will be vastly different.  It won't even be that similar to the city elf culture.

that would be fascinating. Imagine playing as an escaped slave ... and getting more insight into the struggles of elves in Tevinter, maybe learn more about Fenris.

 

I so want this XD

[Moondreamer01]

I guess you can kinda interpret the heart dialogue as Lavellan shamelessly trying to protect him and justifying to the group why he needs to be saved. Nobody's really buying it, but hey. 

 

But yeah that was the moment I figure all Lavellan's would have made the connection, if they hadn't already.

Headcanon accepted. She's totally saying that to protect him as she's not ready to talk of her suspicions to anyone yet. So, she blurts the first thing to cross her mind lol.

[dragondreamer]

I guess you can kinda interpret the heart dialogue as Lavellan shamelessly trying to protect him and justifying to the group why he needs to be saved. Nobody's really buying it, but hey. 

 

But yeah that was the moment I figure all Lavellan's would have made the connection, if they hadn't already.

 

Pretty much this.  I read that as Lavellan's "she did not just threaten my man" moment.     The rest was to be dealt with later.

[TheEggCrusher]

I just took this. It happens to everyone in your party too. Cole looks like Solas' dying spirit friend .

 

 

just remembered that the spirit's eyes glow too. Yup, I'm pretty sure it's a spirit related thing. So if your possessed, eyes glow. If you are somehow highly connected to the fade, eyes glow. If you have another's power in your body, eyes glow. 

[midnight tea]

Nah, I think that if we didn't get that post-epilogue scene in the main game, we wouldn't be all like "He's Fen'Harel! Figure it out already!" and perhaps we'd be baffled with this discovery ourselves. Like I said in Twitter thread - hindsight does things to perspective.

 

I mean, even if Lavellans are indeed super-smart, and skeptical when it comes to Creators and maybe even start figuring out that Solas is more - more than even some sort of mysterious ancient elf that managed to survive to her times - it would realistically still have to be quite hard for her to just accept at that moment that her ex-boyfriend is the Dread Wolf from elvhen legends, but at the very same time her culture was pretty much all wrong about him. There's a lot of information on Trespasser that was pretty shocking - for elf Quizzies especially - so I have no problem with my Lavellan just quietly mulling things over in her head and accepting the full truth only after confronting Solas.

[Moondreamer01]

Nah, I think that if we didn't get that post-epilogue scene in the main game, we wouldn't be all like "He's Fen'Harel! Figure it out already!" and perhaps we'd be baffled with this discovery ourselves. Like I said in Twitter thread - hindsight does things to perspective.

 

I mean, even if Lavellans are indeed super-smart, and skeptical when it comes to Creators and maybe even start figuring out that Solas is more - more than even some sort of mysterious ancient elf that managed to survive to her times - it would still have to be hard for her to just accept at that moment that her ex-boyfriend is the Dread Wolf from elvhen legends, but at the very same time her culture was pretty much all wrong about him. There's a lot of information on Trespasser that was pretty shocking - for elf Quizzies especially - so I have no problem with my Lavellan just quietly mulling things over in her head and accepting the full truth only after confronting Solas.

Well, even without the stinger in the main game, those murals we find in Trespasser so close to what Solas did to a rmanced Lavellan and they at least have a good chance of figuring it out. Then there are the codices you can find to get that special dialogue tag at the end. So, those Inquisitors who have found the codex, as per the game, have already figured it out.

 

Lots of it is definitely headcanon though. It just clashed a bit with my Lavellan. I'll till always take that option, if just for the fact everyone but Cole disagree and I can imagine them facepalming

[Uirebhiril]

Nah, I think that if we didn't get that post-epilogue scene in the main game, we wouldn't be all like "He's Fen'Harel! Figure it out already!" and perhaps we'd be baffled with this discovery ourselves. Like I said in Twitter thread - hindsight does things to perspective.

 

It's not a stretch to think that any elf Inquisitor might have figured Solas to be an ancient elf after the temple of Mythal. Even some perceptive non-elf Inquisitors can make that claim. And after running around the crossroads and reading everything there, it's likewise not a stretch that a Lavellan would be staring hard at the information. And for a romanced Lavellan, particularly ones that had their vallaslin removed? Yeah. I have no problem with anyone saying that was the moment of revelation for their character.

 

I will say that it was meeting Mythal, or what's left of her, that made my Lavellan totally not lose her mind at the idea that Fen'Harel could still be kicking around. She might have sat in a corner and rocked back and forth for awhile otherwise.

[Brass_Buckles]

Something I thought of in regard to Spirit-Cole when you go to meet Solas.

 

If you say you're going to rescue Solas, Cole greatly approves even though everyone else disapproves.  Of course you already know that, but:  Cole says:  "He doesn't like to hurt people. He's not that kind of wolf."

 

He's not talking about Solas being in physical danger--Cole would definitely know that the qunari are no threat to Solas.  Cole is already foreshadowing to you that Solas needs rescuing from himself, because he's not that kind of wolf.  And he approves of you going forth with the intent to protect Solas because he's hoping you'll keep that love and protective urge in mind when you encounter Solas.  He's hoping you'll understand that Solas is not that kind of wolf, and remind Solas that he's not that kind of wolf.  Because if you don't save Solas, then he'll have to die or suffer.  Cole is Compassion.  He doesn't want anyone to suffer.  Although he is particularly attached to Solas, he also has a particular affection for the Inquisitor--and he would not want to see the Inquisitor or the rest of the world suffer because of what Solas has done.

 

That's why Cole gives you a "greatly approves."  Everyone else would be within rights to disapprove because you're being a lovestruck fool, for starters (let's face it, the evidence against Solas looks pretty awful at that point), and because unlike Cole, they don't perceive any other context for rescuing Solas besides the physical threat of the qunari.  They don't see that he might need rescuing from something else, or that doing so might help a lot more people than just Solas and Lavellan.

[Sah291]

No change without an end?  I don't remember that line, and yet...

 

I already decided Mythal was on board with Solas when she willingly let him take her power.  If she genuinely thinks the world will have to end for a new beginning, then my theory that she'll take over even if we stop Solas might be right.  Maybe it is Mythal Merrill will end up working with, not Solas.

 

He doesn't complete the whole line..he just starts and trails off but it's clear what it's in reference to... and I'm sorry, it was "peace" not "change" Flemeth said. "Without an end, there can be no peace." 

 

I think it's supposed to be about rebirth, and how you can't bring out peace while still clinging on to old systems that are broken, you and can't fix/save everything that is corrupted, etc. She says it to Hawke right after Wesley the Templar dies from the blight in the prologue. That was one of the best scenes of the game and really says a lot about her character and what she represent, I think. 

 

So yeah, I think she was onboard with Solas. But during the events of DAI, Solas started to question that a bit. I think he is the more conservative one. The preserver and defender.  Thinking about how protective he was of Cole, the Wisdom spirit, etc. He went to extremes putting the veil up in the first place, blocking out the fade, to protect people. His obsession with saving his people has driven over the edge. But I guess it remains to be seen whether he and Mythal stay on the same page.

[midnight tea]

Well, even without the stinger in the main game, those murals we find in Trespasser so close to what Solas did to a rmanced Lavellan and they at least have a good chance of figuring it out. Then there are the codices you can find to get that special dialogue tag at the end. So, those Inquisitors who have found the codex, as per the game, have already figured it out.

 

Lots of it is definitely headcanon though. It just clashed a bit with my Lavellan. I'll till always take that option, if just for the fact everyone but Cole disagree and I can imagine them facepalming

 

Yes, but at the same time Solas knowing much of elvhen culture and the spell to remove vallaslin could have just been something he peeked in the Fade. Or, realistically (if Lavellan accepts that he might have actually witnessed these things IRL), he could be one of Fen'Harel agents, just like Viddasala suspected he was. Fen'Harel is shown to remove vallaslin in a temple dedicated to him, but nobody said that only he knows how to do it. People working with him probably could to, theoretically at least.

 

Then there's the fact that we only find only one note in that sanctuary area - the rest is found much later in the game, with his self-portrait/last clue reachable only in Daarvarad. At that time Lavellan makes no comments about it, so I only assume that even if she has a very strong suspicion that Solas is indeed the Dread Wolf, she's more focused at stopping the Qunari before her hand explodes.

[Cee]

Something I thought of in regard to Spirit-Cole when you go to meet Solas.

 

If you say you're going to rescue Solas, Cole greatly approves even though everyone else disapproves.  Of course you already know that, but:  Cole says:  "He doesn't like to hurt people. He's not that kind of wolf."

 

He's not talking about Solas being in physical danger--Cole would definitely know that the qunari are no threat to Solas.  Cole is already foreshadowing to you that Solas needs rescuing from himself, because he's not that kind of wolf.  And he approves of you going forth with the intent to protect Solas because he's hoping you'll keep that love and protective urge in mind when you encounter Solas.  He's hoping you'll understand that Solas is not that kind of wolf, and remind Solas that he's not that kind of wolf.  Because if you don't save Solas, then he'll have to die or suffer.  Cole is Compassion.  He doesn't want anyone to suffer.  Although he is particularly attached to Solas, he also has a particular affection for the Inquisitor--and he would not want to see the Inquisitor or the rest of the world suffer because of what Solas has done.

 

That's why Cole gives you a "greatly approves."  Everyone else would be within rights to disapprove because you're being a lovestruck fool, for starters (let's face it, the evidence against Solas looks pretty awful at that point), and because unlike Cole, they don't perceive any other context for rescuing Solas besides the physical threat of the qunari.  They don't see that he might need rescuing from something else, or that doing so might help a lot more people than just Solas and Lavellan.

 

I'm out of likes, but yes. Though I can't remember but I think Cole says that line after you've already chosen the heart option. Once you get into that last stretch after taking the heart option, he says it on that side, once the Anchor begins to get really chaotic and more qunari come to fight you.

 

But yes, Cole is already talking about helping Solas and reminding him who he is even before all of this.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Am I the only one who sees the possibility of maybe using one of the voices you didn't use for the new second protagonist if that scenario were to happen?  Female character, chose Alix's VA for Inquisitor, you can use either of the male Inquisitor VA's for the second, or Sumalee's voice.  No need for another two VAs.

 
Oh.  That's...blindingly obvious  Might be a little jarring for people who played multiple Inquisitors with different voices, but I like it.
 

I mean, even if Lavellans are indeed super-smart, and skeptical when it comes to Creators and maybe even start figuring out that Solas is more - more than even some sort of mysterious ancient elf that managed to survive to her times - it would realistically still have to be quite hard for her to just accept at that moment that her ex-boyfriend is the Dread Wolf from elvhen legends, but at the very same time her culture was pretty much all wrong about him. There's a lot of information on Trespasser that was pretty shocking - for elf Quizzies especially - so I have no problem with my Lavellan just quietly mulling things over in her head and accepting the full truth only after confronting Solas.

Out of likes, but I totally agree. This is also how I headcanon my way around the Inquisition being handed the Idiot Ball during the Exalted Council. My Lavellan is usually quite good at diplomacy, and probably would have known better than to cover up the first qunari body. But she's so preoccupied with her musings about Solas and the qunari and the eluvian network that she starts to make mistakes at Halamshiral.

[Sah291]

Nah, I think that if we didn't get that post-epilogue scene in the main game, we wouldn't be all like "He's Fen'Harel! Figure it out already!" and perhaps we'd be baffled with this discovery ourselves. Like I said in Twitter thread - hindsight does things to perspective.

 

I mean, even if Lavellans are indeed super-smart, and skeptical when it comes to Creators and maybe even start figuring out that Solas is more - more than even some sort of mysterious ancient elf that managed to survive to her times - it would realistically still have to be quite hard for her to just accept at that moment that her ex-boyfriend is the Dread Wolf from elvhen legends, but at the very same time her culture was pretty much all wrong about him. There's a lot of information on Trespasser that was pretty shocking - for elf Quizzies especially - so I have no problem with my Lavellan just quietly mulling things over in her head and accepting the full truth only after confronting Solas.

 

There's that one line of dialogue you can pick when talking to Josie and Leliana I think. Something about how maybe it's someone familiar with elven lore pretending to be the Dread Wolf. I could an atheistic Quizzy who no longer believes her gods are real thinking that way. Like maybe he's just some ancient elf who took on the title/role to achieve his goals. Kind of like pretending to be Andraste's Herald I guess. 

[midnight tea]

It's not a stretch to think that any elf Inquisitor might have figured Solas to be an ancient elf after the temple of Mythal. Even some perceptive non-elf Inquisitors can make that claim. And after running around the crossroads and reading everything there, it's likewise not a stretch that a Lavellan would be staring hard at the information. And for a romanced Lavellan, particularly ones that had their vallaslin removed? Yeah. I have no problem with anyone saying that was the moment of revelation for their character.

 

I will say that it was meeting Mythal, or what's left of her, that made my Lavellan totally not lose her mind at the idea that Fen'Harel could still be kicking around. She might have sat in a corner and rocked back and forth for awhile otherwise.

 

It's one thing to accept that Fen'Harel or other gods are still kicking around. That Fen'Harel himself was once your companion - and a possible lover - well... 

[Cee]

I thought that there was already enough pressure on the Inquisition that keeping the body and what else was going on quiet for the time being (it was a temporary thing anyway) was the better idea. It is diplomatic to not want to alarm everyone if a situation can be handled first discreetly and quietly. And nor would you want to drag oversight and more suspicion too quickly if there's still a decision by the council to be made. Tipping them off too soon could potentially lead to worse consequences.

[Uirebhiril]

It's one thing to accept that Fen'Harel or other gods are still kicking around. That Fen'Harel himself was once your companion - and a possible lover - well... 

 

And that's the only reason being overwhelmed by everything and just gibbering bulls*it makes the dumb heart line make sense in my mind.

[Sah291]

And that's the only reason being overwhelmed by everything and just gibbering bulls*it makes the dumb heart line make sense in my mind.

 

And to be fair...she was kind of about to die too, because of her hand. Poor Lavellan, I don't know how she manages to process anything after all this stuff to be honest..it's one thing after the other.    

[midnight tea]

 
Oh.  That's...blindingly obvious  Might be a little jarring for people who played multiple Inquisitors with different voices, but I like it.
 

Out of likes, but I totally agree. This is also how I headcanon my way around the Inquisition being handed the Idiot Ball during the Exalted Council. My Lavellan is usually quite good at diplomacy, and probably would have known better than to cover up the first qunari body. But she's so preoccupied with her musings about Solas and the qunari and the eluvian network that she starts to make mistakes at Halamshiral.

 

There's actually so many things happening during Trespasser that I'm totally not surprised that Quizzies are overwhelmed. Like, there's no way in hell even the most competent and cool-headed of leaders could be 100% in control in a situation where such pressure is put on them from countries that want Inquisition either leashed or gone, their hand is going crazy, their organization is infiltrated, there's a very real threat of Qunari invasion (with a plan to eliminate the leaders of South that puts even Cory's scheming to shame) and then there's this whole eluvian/ancient elf business with the entire Fen'Harel rebellion slowly being uncovered, as well as a realization that one of your past comrades had a hidden agenda all along.

 

Like... they've really packed A LOT of tension and things to be really overwhelmed with into this DLC....

[Moondreamer01]

Am I the only one to think that the Orlesian representative was trying to wiggle his way into a political marriage with the Inquisitor? He seemed to be hinting quite strongly. Or was I reading too much into the dialogue?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Like... they've really packed A LOT of tension and things to be really overwhelmed with into this DLC....

Yeah, my Lavellan is usually quite good under pressure--she even managed not to yell at her advisors during Trespasser, though it was a close thing. But there's enough going on to make anybody's head spin. Even without the whole Solas thing, she had plenty on her plate. No wonder she takes a vacation after the Exalted Council

[NeverlandHunter]

And to be fair...she was kind of about to die too, because of her hand. Poor Lavellan, I don't know how she manages to process anything after all this stuff to be honest..it's one thing after the other.    

Yeah, the things writers do to main characters to keep the story dramatic... are we sure we want Lavellan to suffer through being the main character again?

Funny thought, whoever the main character is in the next game she'll (or he'll) technically be the antagonist if they're actively trying to impose Solas instead of being imposed by him. 

[midnight tea]

Yeah, my Lavellan is usually quite good under pressure--she even managed not to yell at her advisors during Trespasser, though it was a close thing. But there's enough going on to make anybody's head spin. Even without the whole Solas thing, she had plenty on her plate. No wonder she takes a vacation after the Exalted Council

 

Yeah, I'd like to think of my Lavellan (as well as rest of my IQs) as really plucky, but even she has to take some time to organize her thoughts after so many bombshells.

[Moondreamer01]

Yeah, my Lavellan is usually quite good under pressure--she even managed not to yell at her advisors during Trespasser, though it was a close thing. But there's enough going on to make anybody's head spin. Even without the whole Solas thing, she had plenty on her plate. No wonder she takes a vacation after the Exalted Council

At least yours allow herself a vacation Mine can't stop as she's afraid she'll fall apart the moment she does. As soon as she can manage it again after losing her arm, she's already back to planning. She's not sleeping much either. Poor Ellana, I feel for her.