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[flabbadence]

I know! If we must have them in their sleazy form, then I support both male and female desire demons. But honestly, a sleazy ass male desire demon sliding up to me rubbing on himself would represent 'creepay demon to me' NOT desire. I think there's a better way to represent desire and they are on the right track with Imshael giving 'desired' choices through conversation rather than representing desire through appearance.

 

Agreed. I mean I still think they could have done a better job portraying Imshael, but yes that's better than some purple spirit trying to seduce us. That's just too unnerving.

 

(Though I admit, a sleazy ass male desire demon sliding up to my Quizzy rubbing on himself while wearing Solas's face would be hilarious, yes please  )

[flabbadence]

Did somebody say they wanted a male desire demon as equal representation?

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source: http://slayerofkilla...ge/117326193236

 

That is excellent artwork. But. I just really can't get over the bruised purple fleshy bits I suppose.

[maia0407]

Agreed. I mean I still think they could have done a better job portraying Imshael, but yes that's better than some purple spirit trying to seduce us. That's just too unnerving.

 

(Though I admit, a sleazy ass male desire demon sliding up to my Quizzy rubbing on himself while wearing Solas's face would be hilarious, yes please  )

lol, I agree, I would totally make an exception for a Solas desire demon! Rub all over me you Solas desire demon you!

[electricfish]

That is excellent. But. I just really can't get over the bruised purple fleshy bits I suppose.

Haha, I think those are supposed to be natural/tattoo/whatever designs that Liz adapted from the models of the in-game desire demons. The DAO ones are less purple, but they do have a strange skin texture with darker spots and lines.

[Sah291]

I don't mind the desire demons, though what I liked is how they tried to show different types of demons and spirits this time. We've seen lots of desire and rage demons already, so I appreciate they didn't just recycle the same thing over again.

[Avejajed]

Imshael still owes me like a thousand virgins and I never even got to see his junk.

[electricfish]

Imshael still owes me like a thousand virgins and I never even got to see his junk.

He never did say that you would receive them all at once.

[flabbadence]

!!!! Speaking of wearing faces

 

I have this theory about Fen'Harel's relationship with the other gods. Which may have already been mentioned here, so I won't really elaborate, but I'm thinking it's possible the Evanuris, with the exception of Mythal, didn't know who Fen'Harel was until late in the game. 'Cause of those mosaics for one, where he's always depicted as a wolf. And he had to fight them with guerrilla tactics, which might just work better if he kept his real identity secret. I dunno, just a thought.

[FernRain]

@maia:

 

There are a few things I admired her for: having no shame of your skin, not crawling under a rock to cry when called horrible things (Aveline!). Also looking at her banter with Anders: her non black-and-white stance on issues. All stuff I've had trouble with. I'll never forget her comment about the "back alley" noises feeling like home either . The fact she wasn't going to hide away that reality of life, and instead look at it positively. It was a very different change of pace than what I'd been used to as a younger lass. I would've been about 18ish (gosh I thought I was younger, but DA:2 was released in 2011!), and it was good for me to see the way some other people looked at life.. even if my own didn't reflect it.

 

On topic:

 

I found a thing that looks like Solas orb, and was used by the Qunari for brainwashing! It's called a Qamek:

 

 

Do you think the Qunari could've taken them from the elves? They've taken magical artifacts before, like in trespasser.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

The biggest problem I see now for Inky to be the main character is... well... romanceability. Let's face it - as optional as they are, romances are a staple of BW games. And in Inquisition/Treaspasser Quizzies can even marry some of their companions or advisers. Not really sure that can be reconciled, especially with new, interesting characters who will likely be romanceable too.

 

That is likely the biggest challenge of bringing Inky as main protag, because it would likely require to bring their LIs at some measure - and creating a lot of content that will be locked out and never accessed, especially by newcomers, is likely the biggest issue. With dual protagonist that aspect of Inky's life can likely be pushed farther into the background - some codexes, some comments, maybe a short cutscene or two where they interact in a small measure...

 

At least, that's the way I see it.

 Catching up on the thread here, but I just wanted to point out on this, wasn't there a set of tweets or something a few months back where one of the devs was asking "out of curiosity" how people would feel about a bioware game with no romances? Hmmmm.

[Sah291]

@maia:
 
There are a few things I admired her for: having no shame of your skin, not crawling under a rock to cry when called horrible things (Aveline!). Also looking at her banter with Anders: her non black-and-white stance on issues. All stuff I've had trouble with. I'll never forget her comment about the "back alley" noises feeling like home either . The fact she wasn't going to hide away that reality of life, and instead look at it positively. It was a very different change of pace than what I'd been used to as a younger lass. I would've been about 18ish (gosh I thought I was younger, but DA:2 was released in 2011!), and it was good for me to see the way other people looked at life.. even if my own didn't reflect it.
 
On topic:
 
I found a thing that looks like Solas orb, and was used by the Qunari for brainwashing! It's called a Qamek:
 

 
Do you think the qunari could've taken them from the elves? They've taken magical artifacts before, like in trespasser.

Wow that's interesting. Given spirit Cole's revelation about how the veil is fake...I was wondering how Solas exactly plans to remove it. I mean. If it is mostly just a construct of people's minds, etc. How do you remove an idea from the world? The implications of that are too horrible to think about. But I did wonder if it might involve some kind of mass brainwashing.

[Lilaih]

 Catching up on the thread here, but I just wanted to point out on this, wasn't there a set of tweets or something a few months back where one of the devs was asking "out of curiosity" how people would feel about a bioware game with no romances? Hmmmm.

I remember something like this as well, but it could be about this super secret new IP.

 

I don't think romances are going to be a huge problem, because they have done new romances with old protagonist before. In Mass Effect games (to those who haven't played them) you can romance someone in first game and still get new options in second game. Eventually you have to face consequences if you romanced different characters in first two games, but that is a different story. I know that Mass Effect is totally different kind of beast than Dragon Age, but what I am trying to say is that romances may not be an issue if they choose to bring Inquisitor back as a PC.

[BloodKaiden]

I'm curious what the elven artifacts that Solas explained at the time during the game strengthen the veil really do. Or if that was a true or false statement considering what we know now. Maybe it had something to do with his plan in the long term. I'm referring to the circular artifact's that glow green after you touch them. They are like in every region of the game.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Wow that's interesting. Given spirit Cole's revelation about how the veil is fake...I was wondering how Solas exactly plans to remove it. I mean. If it is mostly just a construct of people's minds, etc. How do you remove an idea from the world? The implications of that are too horrible to think about. But I did wonder if it might involve some kind of mass brainwashing.

I don't know what spirit!cole revelation you mean, but I don't think the veil can be purely a construct of people's minds, if that's what you are implying. Cory was able to tear a hole in it, after all. 

 

 

I'm curious what the elven artifacts that Solas explained at the time during the game strengthen the veil really do. Or if that was a true or false statement considering what we know now. Maybe it had something to do with his plan in the long term. I'm referring to the circular artifact's that glow green after you touch them. They are like in every region of the game.

Personally, I think the artifacts did indeed strengthen the veil, as Solas said. What he left out was that they did so by thinning the veil in other places. That's why he's able to predict where a rift will form once you activate enough of them; he knew which artifacts were active and was able to predict where the most tension on the veil was being exerted as a result. 

[Sah291]

I don't know what spirit!cole revelation you mean, but I don't think the veil can be purely a construct of people's minds, if that's what youa re implying. Cory was able to tear a hole in it, afterall.

Spirit Cole says it towards the end in Trespasser if you bring him along. I have human Cole but I saw it in a video.

There have been codex entries already implying the veil is not really a physical barrier but more like a state of mind. Which makes a lot of sense actually. It's a metaphor. Cory was able to punch a hole in it with magic, and by making himself a phrophet basically. He planned to make himself god king of Thedas. That's one way to spread an idea.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Spirit Cole says it towards the end in Trespasser if you bring him along. I have human Cole but I saw it in a video.

There have been codex entries already implying the veil is not really a physical barrier but more like a state of mind. Which makes a lot of sense actually. It's a metaphor. Cory was able to punch a hole in it with magic, and by making himself a phrophet basically. He planned to make himself god king of Thedas. That's one way to spread an idea.

I know there have been codices talking about how the veil is really everywhere, its a matter of the Fade and the physical being on different vibrational frequencies, its the "difference btwn opening and closing your eyes", etc. But none of that necessitates it being a state of mind or some kind of mass delusion powered by belief. I mean, yeah, there's magic in Thedas and everything is possible, sure. But the veil can be torn without people's mindsets being involved, as evidenced by rifts in places where there aren't any people. It can be effected by the veil artifacts. It can have a huge hole punched into it by a magical discharge. The fact that it can be effected in those ways says, to me, that it exists by its own virtue, rather than being dependent on peoples' perception. 

[lynroy]

An Inquisitor with the Arcane Knowledge perk can tell Bull that the Veil is more like a magical vibration that repels the Fade.

[dragondreamer]

Mornin'.    Thought I'd share a song that's really reminding me of Solas lately.

 

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lyrics:

 

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Waiting
In the calm of desolation
Wanting to break
From this circle of confusion

Sleeping
In the depths of isolation
Trying to wake
From this daydream of illusion

How can I feel abandoned even when the world surrounds me
How can I bite the hand that feeds the strangers all around me
How can I know so many
Never really knowing anyone

If I seem superhuman
I have been
Misunderstood

It challenges the essence of my soul
And leaves me in a state of disconnection
As I navigate the maze of self control

Playing a lion being led to a cage
I turn from a thief to a beggar
From a god to God save me

How can I feel abandoned even when the world surrounds me
How can I bite the hand that feeds the strangers all around me
How can I know so many
Never really knowing anyone

If I seem superhuman
I have been
Misunderstood

Playing a lion being led to a cage
I turn from surreal to seclusion
From love to disdain
From belief to delusion
From a thief to a beggar
From a god to God save me

How can I feel abandoned even when the world surrounds me
How can I bite the hand that feeds the strangers all around me
How can I know so many
Never really knowing anyone

If I seem superhuman
I have been
Misunderstood

[AutumnOracle]

Oh, for the love of...

 

I follow Dragon Age on facebook, and they recently made a post asking which follower you find most inspiring. One girl said she found Solas so, because he carries so much crippling guilt yet is able to function and hold a conversation. Of course, she immediately gets flanked with "Of course, he's a genocidal maniac" posts, and some jerk who (inappropriately) asks her if she romanced him, and when she said yes he acted all smug and bragged about how HIS female elf Inquisitor romanced the Iron Bull and was glad he didn't betray her.

 

Really, why do people have to be such jerks about this? I get that not everyone is going to find Solas sympathetic, or even redeemable, but hassling Solas fans and insinuating that the only reason we'd find him sympathetic is because we romanced him, or jumping to gloat because they didn't romance him? So rude; I forgot how hostile it is out there.

 

*nestles deeper inside the blanket fort*

 

Haven't caught up yet this morning but I replied to that thread.  I said I wanted to vote Solas *cause I romanced him* but really Sera was the most inspirational for me.  Weird cause I really didn't like her to start but I think she's grown the most as a character by Trespasser.  If Solas had grown he would have been that character for me.  If he still is that character for other people let them have it.  It's a game people!  Let us as players of Bioware games be as welcoming as Bioware is themselves in every avenue we interact with this games be it forum or fb or twitter...and anything else.

[Lilaih]

An Inquisitor with the Arcane Knowledge perk can tell Bull that the Veil is more like a magical vibration that repels the Fade.

 

So Solas basically just cast a Barrier around the world.

[AutumnOracle]

Sorry that happened to you! There's a portion of the fan base that doesn't like Solas for legit reasons as they don't like his genocidal plans. But, there's also a portion of the fan base that is always going to **** all over anything that they perceived as being loved by women. In some people's minds, anything that appeals to a lot of women is automatically 'lesser' and has a 'girly' taint to it. I don't buy into this BS and proudly wave my girly flag when I'm into something perceived as girly.

 

There's also the threads upset about the lack of female desire demons in DAI! I've been arguing in that one. Let's see, awhile back I had the misfortune of meeting some posters that supported rape as a form of roleplay and vigorously defended their position as they wanted 'freedom of expression'. It can get ugly out there. But there are some fun threads if you are willing to wade through the misogyny to find them!

 

*Mouth Vomit*

 

Seriously thankful that Bioware is the company that it is.  Glad that they are also supporting women in the gaming industry.  Besides just good marketing sense it's also good human sense.  I personally was so happy with the graphical updates that made the game less...sexist.  

[Sah291]

I know there have been codices talking about how the veil is really everywhere, its a matter of the Fade and the physical being on different vibrational frequencies, its the "difference btwn opening and closing your eyes", etc. But none of that necessitates it being a state of mind or some kind of mass delusion powered by belief. I mean, yeah, there's magic in Thedas and everything is possible, sure. But the veil can be torn without people's mindsets being involved, as evidenced by rifts in places where there aren't any people. It can be effected by the veil artifacts. It can have a huge hole punched into it by a magical discharge. The fact that it can be effected in those ways says, to me, that it exists by its own virtue, rather than being dependent on peoples' perception.

That makes sense, though he also calls the veil a prohibition, so I don't think it is purely an objective construct, existing independently. It might be objectively not real to spirit Cole, but to the majority of people in thedas it is. We have seen how entities are both manifiest and effected by people, such as the nightmare demon.

[Sah291]

An Inquisitor with the Arcane Knowledge perk can tell Bull that the Veil is more like a magical vibration that repels the Fade.

And what is a magical vibration?

[lynroy]

A very good time. (Mind, meet Gutter.)

[FernRain]

Qamek is a poison used by the Tamassrans on those who refuse to be converted into the ideology of the Qun, including all captured mages who are deemed hopeless by default. It effectively lobotomizes victims, wiping out their memories and rendering them into mindless slaves which Qunari call Viddath-bas.

 

It also glows and shares memory loss effects like lyrium. Lyrium which makes mages tranquil. The wiki says it's unknown whether it is lyrium.

 

With all that in mind.. hypothetically the evanuris could use it to take over the minds of those wearing vallaslin. And if it's related to lyrium, lyrium vallaslin would have the same effect. Sounds like something Elgar'nan would make use of.

 

WAIT.. is that why they were farming up lyrium? Like the dwarves before the titans slept were mindless. The evanuris wanted the lyrium to keep their slaves under control o.o.