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[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Ohhhhhhhhh interesting parallel. And you're right, everyone does help shape our understanding of Solas. Dorian as someone who wants to make their homeland better. Sera with her Red Jennies and refusal to militarize it. Blackwall with his soldier past and redemption arc. Vivienne with her power plays. Varric with his contentment and easy-going attitude. Cole as a person caught between two worlds. Cassandra with her issues on faith and dedication to duty.

 

Such disparate characters, and yet so many parallels.

 

*sigh* I love this game.

I'd say Varric actually provides insight into Solas by being a counterpoint. This si most obvious to me in Cole's loyalty quest where their opposing views on the whether you can change your nature, whether its best to grow and plod forward or to hold on to and conform to what came before, etc.

 

But agree on other stuff.

[figment_]

It also glows and shares memory loss effects like lyrium. Lyrium which makes mages tranquil. The wiki says it's unknown whether it is lyrium.

 

With all that in mind.. hypothetically the evanuris could use it to take over the minds of those wearing vallaslin. And if it's related to lyrium, lyrium vallaslin would have the same effect. Sounds like something Elgar'nan would make use of.

 

WAIT.. is that why they were farming up lyrium? Like the dwarves before the titans woke were mindless. The evanuris wanted the lyrium to keep their slaves under control o.o.

I don't know about the Qamek...have to look that up, but your post made me think about Vallislin=blood writing and how the blood relates to blood control through a phylactery.

 

WOT p.100:

PHYLACTERIES

 

Every Circle apprentice provides a sample of blood to be kept in a phylactery, a special vial imbued with magic. The phylactery can be used to track down or even remotely cast a spell on a fugitive mage.

 

The holder of a mage's phylactery essentially controls that mage.

 

So maybe the Vallislin itself allowed blood control, or maybe the Evanuris had some sort of phylactery that enabled blood control through the Vallislin, aside from being a form of "branding."

 

I was feeling a bit down about the results of the DA4 protagonist poll. But then I thought that 43-45% of people who want either Inquisitor or dual protagonist is still a pretty large percentage of the fan-base. Some people have said that BSNers tend to be negative so it might not be representative of the fan-base, but I also put this post up on reddit. I am not sure where else I can post the poll for a more representative sample. I am wondering if the the ratio of core story (only 20ish hours) to open world exploration may have affected a lot of players' attachment to the Inquisitor or Solas. Hopefully, the next game has a better core story vs open world balance.

I wonder if the results would be different if you limited the voting to one choice, one-time only and maybe omitted the choice of a cameo appearance for Quizzy...?

[flabbadence]

I'd say Varric actually provides insight into Solas by being a counterpoint. This si most obvious to me in Cole's loyalty quest where their opposing views on the whether you can change your nature, whether its best to grow and plod forward or to hold on to and conform to what came before, etc.

 

But agree on other stuff.

 

Ah, that's what I meant, though I see I wasn't really clear the first time since I mashed them all up. Varric's a contrast, just as much as Sera and Vivienne are contrasts. Bull too I suppose, if you go with the Qunari alliance.

[figment_]

So can you get that armor for him earlier in the game? 

There's a mod at nexus too...I'll see if I can find it...

 

Trespasser Skyhold PJ Replacer and Schematics by Atherisz:

 

http://www.nexusmods...tion/mods/834/?

[Colonelkillabee]

I find all the guys wanting more female desire demons for "story reasons" absolutely hilarious. If they mean "tittays" as the definition of "story reasons".

 

For fucks sake.

News flash, men like tittays

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I know it's the armor, but anyone else find it amusing that they gave Solas Abelas thighs? Heh, now Abelas fans have nothing.

 

*smug snickering*

 

You could also look at it as they now have double the pleasure. lol

[drosophila]

I have to say that I would have gotten along with Solas. Blame being open-minded, empathetic, and able to get along with many different types of people. I wouldn't have balked at his early conversations and I wouldn't be afraid to chide him for some of his more ignorant statements. It would've been fascinating to talk to him. When something is rude or mean-spirited, I kind of have to call it out. And a lot of the thing he values (and sometimes demonstrates) are things I value. Though now we know more about what and why, but I don't think those were wrong, he can twist them to make what he wants to do a bit better in his mind.

 

Still, yes, definitely.

 

I could see the two of you getting along

 

But personally, no way. This would've exploded in my face. The early phase would've been great, there would be a lot to talk about and we would share many values. But I'd have no patience for his lack of openness. Also, I have this nasty habit: when someone is stoic and withdrawn and I wish to get close to them, I start being a troll. I would push him more and more, upping the snark until I p*ss him off, just so I could get a reaction. And as a result, he'd be p*ssed off. I'm aware of it and I avoid doing it now, but it would eventually happen. 

 

And after that breakup scene, I would be thinking, "No way I'm wasting any time on someone who wouldn't value me."  

 

So, unfortunately, I need someone who can be patient with me, so I can try to be loving in return, but knowing this about myself, I've gotten my happy ending.

 

I'd probably be good friends with him though. I'd love discussing stuff with him because he often has a different viewpoint but does allow for respectful argument unless you're talking about the Qun. And I'm much more patient and less demanding with my friends. 

[maia0407]

 

Don't lurk, stay in the sunlight! Cee has special cookies for you!

 

 

Neither would I, this relationship would be an IRL disaster. 

 

 

To me the game and his romance have given me the chance to experience what it would be like to be in love/friendship with a person who appears as a villain to most and to history. How you can see the side of him that deserves love and deserves to be saved. 99.9% of us have that side, so I feel it was truly an experience I learned from. Not many works of fiction have enriched my life like this. 

 

Edit: Top Solas! We need to see the gleaming thighs again. For "story reasons". From solas-an.

 

Love this! Looks like his jaw was widened, though?

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I'd be buds with Solas. I'd listen to everything he had to say and question him about it all to no end and discuss it  and learn from him and enjoy every minute of it. I'd do my best to be his friend, to let him feel at least one more real connection to the world. And anyone who'd hurt him (especially without cause) would have to go through me first. 

 

But be in a romance with him? Ha, no thank you to THAT train wreck! 

[Ardent Blossom]

 

I was feeling a bit down about the results of the DA4 protagonist poll. But then I thought that 43-45% of people who want either Inquisitor or dual protagonist is still a pretty large percentage of the fan-base. Some people have said that BSNers tend to be negative so it might not be representative of the fan-base, but I also put this post up on reddit. I am not sure where else I can post the poll for a more representative sample. I am wondering if the the ratio of core story (only 20ish hours) to open world exploration may have affected a lot of players' attachment to the Inquisitor or Solas. Hopefully, the next game has a better core story vs open world balance.

I just voted! Only 18 percent want the Inky back in action!? Don't get too down about it. Honestly, online polls are going to have dubious results. The only people who vote will be people who feel really strongly one way or another and are actively trying to make their voices heard. Plenty of players do have a preference, but will never bother to vote. I don't know what percentage of Inquisition players were first time Dragon Age players, but I'd guess plenty of those folks aren't on BSN/wouldn't vote in a poll. What's more, many of them might actually be more interested in playing as the Inquisitor again (as they aren't dead set on the DA tradition of "new game=new protagonist").

 

Bioware is going to do what they are going to do despite polls. They will do what is right for the story. PW basically said he's not planning on leaving us Solasmancers hanging and that Trespasser was supposed to have made that clear, so wave that Team Optimism flag high.

 

 

Edit: Top Solas! We need to see the gleaming thighs again. For "story reasons".   From solas-an.

 

O-M-Elgar'nan...that gif is everywhere these days! Seriously, it needs to stop. I'm too easily mesmerized by shiny ancient elven thighs. The feet look funny though don't they? That foot armor looks really uncomfortable.

 

Anyone have a gif of his walk cycle with the cute, scruffy green pants? I'm feeling a bit nostalgic. Brownie points are available.

 

[lynroy]

There's a mod at nexus too...I'll see if I can find it...

 

Trespasser Skyhold PJ Replacer and Schematics by Atherisz:

 

http://www.nexusmods...tion/mods/834/?

Thank you for linking the mod! Reminds me I really need to get cracking with my PC play through and this will help encourage me.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I play video game romance subplots for the epic drama that I would NEVER stand for in a real life relationship. Hence, Anders and Solas I love both characters, but I wouldn't go near either IRL with a ten foot pole.

[drosophila]

The feet look funny though don't they? That foot armor looks really uncomfortable.

 

Even when his toes are covered, he just can't wear normal footwear. It has to be weird. 

[Baklava]

Anyone else keep replaying Trespasser with different party members? During my last run I brought Blackwall, Varric, and Dorian. I think Cole is up next from what people in the thread have posted about him.

 

 

Also, for Solas:

 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

 

O-M-Elgar'nan...that gif is everywhere these days! Seriously, it needs to stop. I'm too easily mesmerized by shiny ancient elven thighs. The feet look funny though don't they? That foot armor looks really uncomfortable.

 

I think each toe is individually armored. But just the tops b/c elves are damned serious about their bare feet, and apparently that's a thing stretching back for millenia. 

[Shari'El]

I have to say that I would have gotten along with Solas. Blame being open-minded, empathetic, and able to get along with many different types of people. I wouldn't have balked at his early conversations and I wouldn't be afraid to chide him for some of his more ignorant statements. It would've been fascinating to talk to him. When something is rude or mean-spirited, I kind of have to call it out. And a lot of the thing he values (and sometimes demonstrates) are things I value. Though now we know more about what and why, but I don't think those were wrong, he can twist them to make what he wants to do a bit better in his mind.

 

Still, yes, definitely.

 

Same, he is actually a person I would really connect to and will probably befriend very easily, he has knowledge and likes to share it.

I would probably make faces at his elitist comments and once in a while point out he's being rude (and only if he's really overdone it because I'm not much.. of an assertive person.. I usually fume quietly when someone upsets me).

 

But personally, no way. This would've exploded in my face. The early phase would've been great, there would be a lot to talk about and we would share many values. But I'd have no patience for his lack of openness. Also, I have this nasty habit: when someone is stoic and withdrawn and I wish to get close to them, I start being a troll. I would push him more and more, upping the snark until I p*ss him off, just so I could get a reaction. And as a result, he'd be p*ssed off. I'm aware of it and I avoid doing it now, but it would eventually happen. 

 

Lololololololol

I'm very much a troll as well, but only with people I'm very familiar with.

Most people think I'm shy, they don't know 

[figment_]

Thank you for linking the mod! Reminds me I really need to get cracking with my PC play through and this will help encourage me.

No problem...I haven't been able to figure out Cheat Engine yet, so I was really happy to find this and wanted to share!

 

First time TOP! (am I doing this right???):

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[drosophila]

I play video game romance subplots for the epic drama that I would NEVER stand for in a real life relationship. Hence, Anders and Solas I love both characters, but I wouldn't go near either IRL with a ten foot pole.

 

I think the drama is specifically why I play them. I have some bizarre need for epic drama in relationships, but I know better than to go for that IRL. Hence, gaming escapism. 

[Eivuwan]

 

I wonder if the results would be different if you limited the voting to one choice, one-time only and maybe omitted the choice of a cameo appearance for Quizzy...?

 

I didn't allow duplicate votes so I don't think it's from people spamming the poll. There are also a lot of people who are happy with dual protagonist and/or the inquisitor so I wanted them to be acknowledged as well. As for the cameo thing, I just wanted a poll that's representative of the main options instead of just want I want.

[AutumnOracle]

I play video game romance subplots for the epic drama that I would NEVER stand for in a real life relationship. Hence, Anders and Solas I love both characters, but I wouldn't go near either IRL with a ten foot pole.

 

Me too. I've got the best most awesome husband at home who is everything I need/want.  Even when it's not something I think I need/want.  So drama in a fictional game is good.  Gotta get me some drama somewhere, I'd rather it be in a game then at home

[Shari'El]

There's a mod at nexus too...I'll see if I can find it...

 

Trespasser Skyhold PJ Replacer and Schematics by Atherisz:

 

http://www.nexusmods...tion/mods/834/?

 

Hahahaha I can't xD

 

Spoiler

 

Iron Bullllllllllll

 

Spoiler

 

Ahhhhhh

 

Spoiler

 

Varric! WHYYYY

[AutumnOracle]

I didn't allow duplicate votes so I don't think it's from people spamming the poll. There are also a lot of people who are happy with dual protagonist and/or the inquisitor so I wanted them to be acknowledged as well. As for the cameo thing, I just wanted a poll that's representative of the main options instead of just want I want.

 

I tried to vote a second time from here and it wouldn't let me.  But it didn't ask for my email so it's just tracking either the IP or the browser.  So I could have gone home and voted again.  Or voted from my phone or tablet and it would have considered them different.

[AutumnOracle]

Okay...does it super freak anyone else out that if you equip Bull with the Trespasser gear he gets white human arms?  I mean I spent about twenty minutes just switching him in and out of that armor snickering.  

[Eivuwan]

I tried to vote a second time from here and it wouldn't let me.  But it didn't ask for my email so it's just tracking either the IP or the browser.  So I could have gone home and voted again.  Or voted from my phone or tablet and it would have considered them different.

 

True, but I doubt most people will care enough to spam the poll. Also there wasn't an option to ask for e-mails. I believe it tracks the IP address.

[drosophila]

I'll be listening to main-game party banter while doing experiments. Huge step in my post-Tresspasser recovery. I think I'm ready!