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[AutumnOracle]

On a related note it's been a couple years since I used photobucket and I think my account got hacked/personal information all changed.  Despite the fact that it's still tied to my email address and I was able to log in with my old password, my username has changed and everything I had uploaded is gone...

[drosophila]

Not for me. I'm not really fond of rivalmances. I had Solas at pretty much max approval for most of the game without trying to. Dislike path Solas is informative, but a total turnoff.  I did an Anders friendmance too.

 

For the romances in DA2, I did prefer friendship to rivalry. Especially in the case of Anders; as much as I love delicious digital drama, the anguish and mental instability in the rivalry romance cut way too close to home for me to enjoy it.

Ideally the relationships would have two values that they track: one for whether the character respects you, and one for whether they like you. As Tali points out in ME3, you can have immense respect for people you don't like. But I understand why that would be hard to implement, and the friendship/rivalry system leads to weird moments where the game assumes someone respects you when all you've done is act like a jerkface 

 

Just to clarify, I think rivalmances make no sense at all and are not realistic relationships. But they're hot. Somehow yelling and throwing snark then kissing is hot for me, I can't help it, that's just how I am. 

 

Oh, and yes, I friendmanced Anders, since 1) there was plenty of tension there already and 2) my Hawke was a mage who agreed with his ideals, just not with what his actions ended up being. But rivalmanced Fenris is delicious. 

[flabbadence]

FOR SCIENCE.

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

And still she manages to intimidate me     

[Ven'inan]

Just to clarify, I think rivalmances make no sense at all and are not realistic relationships. But they're hot. Somehow yelling and throwing snark then kissing is hot for me, I can't help it, that's just how I am. 

 

Fenris rivalmance *o* 

[Ven'inan]

And still she manages to intimidate me     

 

I think Vivienne is the only person who could manage to intimidate someone while wearing that XD

[Uirebhiril]

I think Vivienne is the only person who could manage to intimidate someone while wearing that XD

 

She's probably so intimidating because she's wearing something like that. Would YOU want to be around her when she first catches a glimpse of herself? Nothanks.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Just to clarify, I think rivalmances make no sense at all and are not realistic relationships. But they're hot. Somehow yelling and throwing snark then kissing is hot for me, I can't help it, that's just how I am. 

 

Honestly, that can be applied to all the romances, at least to some extent.  Cullen's glosses over some of his previous character flaws?  Hot.  Serious biological barriers with alien dude?  BUT DAT VOICE.  Psychotic biotic who's as likely to kill as kiss you?  Mega hot

 

Maybe some romances (especially the rivalry romances) are a bit more out-there than others, but it's a video game.  Escapism isn't entirely the point, but it does factor into why a lot of people play these games.

[Colonelkillabee]

I dunno. He was still pretty mean.  That's a turn on.  

 

"I HATE YOU,  YOUR FACE, AND YOUR RACE" - insta-swoon.  But I guess Solas did that too.  Mebbe I can get both. 

 

Did you play the DLC??  Dunno if you noticed, they did a bit of work to Solas' face so he looked might fine.

 

I did notice indeed, his swag was over 9000. Solas' brand of mean is more prickish than sexy brooder.

 

 

God I missed your face.

Never thought I'd see the day

[Cee]

Just to clarify, I think rivalmances make no sense at all and are not realistic relationships. But they're hot. Somehow yelling and throwing snark then kissing is hot for me, I can't help it, that's just how I am. 

 

Oh, and yes, I friendmanced Anders, since 1) there was plenty of tension there already and 2) my Hawke was a mage who agreed with his ideals, just not with what his actions ended up being. But rivalmanced Fenris is delicious. 

 

Well that's certainly why exploring them in fictional settings is such a great option.

[Ven'inan]

She's probably so intimidating because she's wearing something like that. Would YOU want to be around her when she first catches a glimpse of herself? Nothanks.

 

I most definitely don't want to be around her when that happens xD

[Ven'inan]

(I wouldn't recommend clicking on this...My screenshots are humongous...I have a 4k monitor and am still trying to figure out this image posting thing...maybe I need to resize? Any advice appreciated!)

 

 

I upload all my screenshots to imgur, click on the image, pick either large or huge thumbnail (usually huge) and then post them wherever :3 

[figment_]

I upload all my screenshots to imgur, click on the image, pick either large or huge thumbnail and then post them wherever :3 

I considered that, but hesitated because I haven't used those accounts in years...I may have to sign up again...or maybe use Flickr, which is the only active one I have....uggg...

 

Thank you, I may try that...

 

Edit: Thank you so much...Much better now!!!

[Ghost Gal]

Not for me. I'm not really fond of rivalmances. I had Solas at pretty much max approval for most of the game without trying to. Dislike path Solas is informative, but a total turnoff.  I did an Anders friendmance too.

 

For the romances in DA2, I did prefer friendship to rivalry. Especially in the case of Anders; as much as I love delicious digital drama, the anguish and mental instability in the rivalry romance cut way too close to home for me to enjoy it.

Ideally the relationships would have two values that they track: one for whether the character respects you, and one for whether they like you. As Tali points out in ME3, you can have immense respect for people you don't like. But I understand why that would be hard to implement, and the friendship/rivalry system leads to weird moments where the game assumes someone respects you when all you've done is act like a jerkface 

 

 

I've only seen DA2 rivalmance videos on Youtube, but except for Isabela they all look like toxic, destructive, emotionally unhealthy relationships. "Drama" should not come at the expense of people's mental and emotional health, so I'm glad the rivalmance didn't come back for DAI.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I've only seen DA2 rivalmance videos on Youtube, but except for Isabela they all look like toxic, destructive, emotionally unhealthy relationships. "Drama" should not come at the expense of people's mental and emotional health, so I'm glad the rivalmance didn't come back for DAI.

 

Mmm, I'm not sure where I'd draw the line on that.  I don't know that drama is ever good for people's mental and emotional health, but it makes for interesting storytelling, so it's present.

 

I love the Solas romance as a story, but no matter what his intentions were, Solas's actions IMO did have a significant, detrimental effect on Lavellan's well-being.  Sure, she can bounce back from it, but I don't know that it's any different from the drama built into the rivalry romances back in DA2.  Same with Iron Bull's romance if he stays qunari.  

[Moondreamer01]

Mmm, I'm not sure where I'd draw the line on that.  I don't know that drama is ever good for people's mental and emotional health, but it makes for interesting storytelling, so it's present.

 

I love the Solas romance as a story, but no matter what his intentions were, Solas's actions IMO did have a significant, detrimental effect on Lavellan's well-being.  Sure, she can bounce back from it, but I don't know that it's any different from the drama built into the rivalry romances back in DA2.  Same with Iron Bull's romance if he stays qunari.  

Fiction definitely allows us to live vicariously through an amount of drama that would not be good in any way in real life. 

[BoscoBread]

Yes to Solas rivalmance. I went out of my way to play it as close to one as possible, but an actual rivalmance would've been soo delicious.

Yes.  He's not only more honest...he's more intense.  But I think the honesty, not just with lore/info. but with himself and you was like 'hi, there you are'.  

 

I normally friendmanced - I didn't like the DA2 ones so much - but I think with Solas it wouldn't have been so much a rivalmance but more of like...these two opinionated people passtionately yelling at eachother about things they care about and then sex.

 

....................sigh. 

[drosophila]

I've only seen DA2 rivalmance videos on Youtube, but except for Isabela they all look like toxic, destructive, emotionally unhealthy relationships. 

 

Not unlike the Solas romance. That one tops the emotionally unhealthy and destructive rankings. 

 

 "Drama" should not come at the expense of people's mental and emotional health, so I'm glad the rivalmance didn't come back for DAI.

 

I agree when it comes to real life, but it's fiction. What point would there be to the story if there's no conflict?

 

Drama is a chance to explore the personalities of different characters and how they clash. It can reveal faces of a character you've never seen. It's a battle of wills, wits, and words. If we took all the dramatic realtionships out of literature, because they're not right and shouldn't be happening, many, many good works would be lost. 

 

Not saying everyone should be playing rivalmances, but I just don't agree with the idea that it's unhealthy for the character, so it shouldn't happen. I wouldn't read/watch/play something where they brush their teeth, go to the gym, and have polite conversations over a balanced meal. 

[BoscoBread]

Fiction definitely allows us to live vicariously through an amount of drama that would not be good in any way in real life. 

 

Mmm, I'm not sure where I'd draw the line on that.  I don't know that drama is ever good for people's mental and emotional health, but it makes for interesting storytelling, so it's present.

 

I love the Solas romance as a story, but no matter what his intentions were, Solas's actions IMO did have a significant, detrimental effect on Lavellan's well-being.  Sure, she can bounce back from it, but I don't know that it's any different from the drama built into the rivalry romances back in DA2.  Same with Iron Bull's romance if he stays qunari.  

Yeah I think the "you weren't people"  and "you're going to die through my actions" cant be considered totally healthy. again, we as players have the benefit of PW but Lavellan does not.  so the wheels may be turning in her head 'i what...am I still a person to you? i mean...i kind of want to live?'  because she doesn't get the assurance from his creator that she truly is loved.  and even if she is, he's still hurting her. 

 

i don't think he's a abusive. that's a resounding no. but it's a dysfunctional relationship. 

 

EDIT: And to add - I do understand there is are players that don't want to see that in their games. and totally understand that.  i certainly couldn't stomach some of the DA2 ones. but again, the option would have been nice because they can be enjoyable for RP purposes or even just different takes on the character. 

[midnight tea]

I have to say that I would have gotten along with Solas. Blame being open-minded, empathetic, and able to get along with many different types of people. I wouldn't have balked at his early conversations and I wouldn't be afraid to chide him for some of his more ignorant statements. It would've been fascinating to talk to him. When something is rude or mean-spirited, I kind of have to call it out. And a lot of the thing he values (and sometimes demonstrates) are things I value. Though now we know more about what and why, but I don't think those were wrong, he can twist them to make what he wants to do a bit better in his mind.

 

Still, yes, definitely.

 

I have to admit that I don't know how I'd get along with Solas for one simple reason - I'm a smartass. And I do know from experience that smartasses tend to be very territorial

[drosophila]

two opinionated people passtionately yelling at eachother about things they care about and then sex.

 

That pretty much summarizes all my Solas headcanons 

[flabbadence]

Not unlike the Solas romance. That one tops the emotionally unhealthy and destructive rankings. 

 

 

 

 

I agree when it comes to real life, but it's fiction. What point would there be to the story if there's no conflict?

 

Drama is a chance to explore the personalities of different characters and how they clash. It can reveal faces of a character you've never seen. It's a battle of wills, wits, and words. If we took all the dramatic realtionships out of literature, because they're not right and shouldn't be happening, many, many good works would be lost. 

 

Not saying everyone should be playing rivalmances, but I just don't agree with the idea that it's unhealthy for the character, so it shouldn't happen. I wouldn't read/watch/play something where they brush their teeth, go to the gym, and have polite conversations over a balanced meal. 

 

*looks at subscriptions of happy modern au's where they do exactly that*

 

"In another world"

 

*cries*

[drosophila]

*looks at subscriptions of happy modern au's where they do exactly that*

 

"In another world"

 

*cries*

 

I like those too, but that's fanfic. That's mending your broken heart after the conflict or extending your gaming experience. 

[flabbadence]

I like those too, but that's fanfic. That's mending your broken heart after the conflict or extending your gaming experience. 

 

No I agree, I'm just, amazed that I'm willing to read 100k+ words of pure fluff to mend that broken heart. I mean, I'd need plot and good prose too, but. Wow. I never thought I'd spend so much time doing that. This romance has torn my priorities to shreds 

[Ghost Gal]

Mmm, I'm not sure where I'd draw the line on that.  I don't know that drama is ever good for people's mental and emotional health, but it makes for interesting storytelling, so it's present.

 

I love the Solas romance as a story, but no matter what his intentions were, Solas's actions IMO did have a significant, detrimental effect on Lavellan's well-being.  Sure, she can bounce back from it, but I don't know that it's any different from the drama built into the rivalry romances back in DA2.  Same with Iron Bull's romance if he stays qunari.  

 

Solas and Lavellan don't spend every moment of their relationship constantly undermining, belittling, or mistreating one another, nor feeling helplessly angry or miserable about/around the other. Solas' comments to the Dalish aside (which he can eventually change his mind about), a romanced Solas makes it clear that he likes, respects, values, and enjoys being around the Inquisitor (for the DA2 romances, the "rivalmanced" companions always looked miserable around Hawke), and supports your endeavors against the Breach and Corypheus. A Lavellan who romances him, in turn, is also shown to be kind, gentle, supportive, respectful, etc.

 

Solas leaving is terrible, but up until that point their relationship was very loving and supportive, and they were happy together, and one gets the feeling that if Solas could let go of his Fatal Flaw of Pride and Lone Wolfiness (and trust Lavellan to help him), their relationship can eventually recover and become loving and supportive and solid again.

 

The DA2 "rivalmances" are just Hawke being emotionally abusive to their partner, and as a direct result said partner almost always looking and feeling helplessly angry, miserable, undermined, patronized, etc. (read: Merrill constantly looks miserable, Fenris is always pacing and snarling like a caged tiger, and Anders is desperately frustrated), and possibly made to feel like everything they are or everything they believe in is invalidated (read: trying to dissuade or sabotage Merrill from repairing the mirror even though it means so much to her, constantly supporting Templars and imprisoning mages in front of Anders, telling Fenris to "get over" his horrific abuse from mages or even working with slavers or taking on slaves even though he was a slave), yet they stick around because... apparently they enjoy being served Humble Pie and always come back for seconds.

 

I'm not saying "no drama ever," but there's a difference between how DAI handled it and how DA2 handed it. Drama arising from conflicting circumstances or life goals (Dorian has to go back to Tevinter because he feels it's the right thing, Solas going on to try to take down the Veil because he feels it's the right thing) is different from "drama" (anger, misery, tears, yelling) arising from one or both partners treating the other like absolute dirt.

[BoscoBread]

No I agree, I'm just, amazed that I'm willing to read 100k+ words of pure fluff to mend that broken heart. I mean, I'd need plot and good prose too, but. Wow. I never thought I'd spend so much time doing that. This romance has torn my priorities to shreds 

I actually cannot read the fanfics that are a little...harsher.  Handling more...umm..."harsher" characterizations is tricky business.  And usually they have Solas come off as almost abusive.  Like he's this taut string ready to snap and I NEVER got that from him.  He's a person at the precipice of a total breakdown and may end up causing more harm to himself than anyone else.  But anyways I find those incredibly difficult to read.  

 

So i do enjoy the fluff.