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[maia0407]

I hope we get to meet the evanuris in DA4 but I fear BW might want to keep them in their pocket for later games. I suspect they'll escape and we'll face off in different games. Maybe we'll get to meet a few, though. I wonder how many loops will be thrown in what we thought we know about them and what actually is true.

[dawnstone]

Which then makes me wonder... if they are the Evanuris, what happened to the souls from the archdemons destroyed by a warden? Would they end up the same as Mythal, a wisp clawing its way through the centuries? The Evanuris are supposed to be hard to kill, right?

There's just so much we don't know yet, but it is fascinating to ponder with what little hints we're given. I like the idea of the remnants being reborn in people, and since it seems possible, much contested theories like Andruil is Sera get born.

 

[figment_]

There's just so much we don't know yet, but it is fascinating to ponder with what little hints we're given. I like the idea of the remnants being reborn in people, and since it seems possible, much contested theories like Andruil is Sera get born.

 

What about Sandal=June???

[MayriyaNoori]

All this Evanuris talk needs this....

 

Spoiler

 

I have to say though, I think if the game came down to siding with the Evanuris or the Titans cause I'm starting to think that's kind of what is going on in the background....I could see going with the Evanuris working out alright. I mean.....just be a grade a student with them and you probably get a lot of cool stuff. Being a Titan drone doesn't sound very fun. But with the Evanuris...yeah you may have to do some shady stuff but I bet the promote within.

 

I bet the life of a high priestess for them was pretty stellar actually.

 

And I don't think I could walk the grey area like Solas does. Look at the mess he's in. And he's probably better at being the in between person than I ever could be.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Which then makes me wonder... if they are the Evanuris, what happened to the souls from the archdemons destroyed by a warden? Would they end up the same as Mythal, a wisp clawing its way through the centuries? The Evanuris are supposed to be hard to kill, right?

 

Back in DA:O, Riordan tells us that the Archdemon body-hops through the Blight.  Since other darkspawn have no souls, the Archdemon can safely jump to them.  But since a Grey Warden is tainted but has a soul, the Archdemon travels to the Warden, and the essence of both the Archdemon and the Warden are destroyed.  Which at the time, I took to mean completely destroyed, but now I'm not so sure.

 

Here's the interesting part if you do the Dark Ritual.  Kieran is 1) not a Warden and 2) clearly alive and sharing his body with Urthemiel.  So if the Evanuris are the Old Gods or trapped in their bodies or something, it's something about the Blight that causes the Archdemon and Grey Warden to mutually annihilate.  

 

...oh no.  What if the only way to actually kill one of the Evanuris is to Blight it?  It would explain why Solas was so horrified at the Wardens' plan; if they're not Blighted yet, killing their physical forms won't actually destroy them, it would free them to possess someone else.  Solas did say he had a plan for dealing with them...

 

*nervously wrings hands*

[dawnstone]

What about Sandal=June???

I like the theory that Sandal is a Sha-Brytol dwarf that wandered away from his Titan, but there's not a lot of evidence to back it up.

[KarateKats]

First thought that popped in my head when seeing that Dirthamen art was Eddie Munster.

 

How on earth did your brain jump to Eddie Munster? LOL

[MayriyaNoori]

What about Sandal=June???

If he is, Solas doesn't seem the least bit concerned that the master crafter of the Evanuris is walking around Thedas no problem.

 

Also, Solas made it sound like the Evanuris are all still locked away. He could be omitting thing as he does, but he could also be telling the truth.

wow, I have had to edit every post I make today like 3 times because of spelling and crap.

 

brain fail day.

[NightSymphony]

My computer is being such an arse..it took me forever to get these links copied and pasted without Firefox freezing up on me ...grrr....anyway...

 

Art  time

 

Tell Me You Don't Care

http://stealitback.d...-care-562254335

 

Chibi Solas and Lavellan

http://arapetabrylee...ellan-562287358

 

Solas' face sketches

http://lily-girl414....y-not-562453181

 

Solas and Lavellan

http://yako.devianta...riday-562444867

 

Adorable Inquisition

http://uuyly.deviant...ition-562392983

 

Trespasser Solas

http://shazzanoire.d...belas-562364132

[figment_]

If he is, Solas doesn't seem the least bit concerned that the master crafter of the Evanuris is walking around Thedas no problem.

 

Also, Solas made sounded like the Evanuris are all still locked away. He could be omitting thing as he does, but he could also be telling the truth.

I think he's kind of "limited" or kind of "imprisoned" in his current state...but maybe he's the exception or was let out with his limitations because he's necessary/useful???

 

That reminds me of something r/t Sandal in WOT2, I think...hmm.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Adorable Inquisition

http://uuyly.deviant...ition-562392983

 

OMG, Solas and the orb

 

Also, can you imagine what the endgame would have looked like if the orb hadn't broken?

 

Lavellan:  Yay, we saved the world!

Sky: *tears open again*

Glowy Solas: Yeah, about that...I've been meaning to tell you, this is all rather awkward...

Everyone else:   Well, sh*t.

[Uirebhiril]

It's been said that the OGB was just one of those things that doesn't work in hindsight, which is why its significance seems to have been reduced after DAI. But... what else could come of Urthemiel's soul? Why would Flemeth have wanted it? Especially if it is one of the Evanuris.

[Giton]

First thought that popped in my head when seeing that Dirthamen art was Eddie Munster.

I could see that.

 

If, by Eddie Munster, you weren't making a sly value judgement on another artist's work and instead meant "My what erotic talons!" 

[Moondreamer01]

I had to google Eddie Munster... My lack of pop culture knowledge is showing.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

 Solas did say he had a plan for dealing with them...

 

*nervously wrings hands*

If Solas' "plans" meant "I invented/introduced the taint to the world so it would infect the Evanursi and they could actually be killed, I really WILL have to hurt him. Cus, seriously, just take a blowdart pipe and some red lyrium in a box, go down to the prisons, and blight the dragons one by one. Don't unleash the plague to end all plagues on the rest of the world. 

 

I can't see the blight as his "plans", though. The darkspawn, once they taint the old god, protect and follow it. Which would be self defeating if blighting the old god is intended to be the first step to killing it. 

 

 

First thought that popped in my head when seeing that Dirthamen art was Eddie Munster. 

It was the paleness of the skin, wasn't it? XD

[Sable Rhapsody]

I can't see the blight as his "plans", though. The darkspawn, once they taint the old god, protect and follow it. Which would be self defeating if blighting the old god is intended to be the first step to killing it. 

 

That's true.  I'm just spitballing ideas at this point.  And I really, really hope the Blight isn't his fault too since a whole lot of things are already his fault

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

That's true.  I'm just spitballing ideas at this point.  And I really, really hope the Blight isn't his fault too since a whole lot of things are already his fault

Agreed. Let the Blight stay Andruil's fault. I'm good with that. lol

 

I subscribe to the theory that the taint itself is what amounts to an immune response from the Titans. Or a virus infecting titans. It certainly reproduces like a virus, if you imagine people as "cells". Enters cell, adds own genetic material to cell's, turns cell into virus making factory. That's broodmothers in a nutshell, imo.

 

Of all aspects about th darkspawn, though, still creeped out by the darkspawn worshiping the archdemons the most. There's that WOT v2 entry posted a few chapters back. There's the strangely ritualistic corpse circles the darkspawn set up in places like the Tower of Ishal, the defacement of statues (adding wings to them). Like... it just really creeps me out that they are advanced enough to worship something. I wonder if the spawn worship them b/c they're the old gods, cus they're the forgotten ones/evanuris, or simply cus the archdemon just demands it of them when they take over the horde and hivemind?

[S.W.]

I play video game romance subplots for the epic drama that I would NEVER stand for in a real life relationship. Hence, Anders and Solas I love both characters, but I wouldn't go near either IRL with a ten foot pole.

 
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Solas hits too close to home for me - I've spent more of my romantic life falling out of love with people and getting over nasty break-ups that I have in love. I would loathe having to meet him after two years and for him to tell him he still loved me - I would even go as far to say that's slightly cruel.

What's worse is that I probably wouldn't mind Solas IRL. I'm good with intellectual friendships, where we just talk about a shared special interest, and something might develop from that point. The snobbishness is the only real turn off, but if he'd allow me to have a debate about the origins of that and why his presumptions are incorrect or unfair (which I imagine he would, he's a huge nerd), then I could work around it quite easily. The secrecy about his previous life would be a massive glaring warning sign - honesty is a necessity for me - but I might choose to ignore that because I'm quite capable of making bad life decisions.

The more I think about it, the more uncomfortable I feel about it. No, I'm much happier my Lavellan is going through this, and not me. I think fiction allows us to enjoy the drama of a dysfunctional relationship, of the conflict there, without it actually hurting us too much.

Well written RPG romances are an interesting experiment in how immersed you can get into a romance without it actually being yours - like, people's devestation and shock after Trespasser is probably testament to that, I'd never feel something quite exactly like that for a beautiful and devastatingly tragic relationship in a novel. It still functions like fiction, but the RP element means you're often a little closer to it.

[Sable Rhapsody]

The more I think about it, the more uncomfortable I feel about it. No, I'm much happier my Lavellan is going through this, and not me. I think fiction allows us to enjoy the drama of a dysfunctional relationship, of the conflict there, without it actually hurting us too much.

 

Or at the very least, we can always turn off the game and NOPE away.  Real-life relationships don't work that way.

 

I'm really drama-allergic IRL.  I'm not a people person to begin with, and drama shuts me down to the point where I don't feel like talking to people.  But apocalypse boyfriend who still dream-stalks me two years after a breakup?  Sign me up

[Qun00]

I wonder if there was something... more, between Solas and Mythal.

Think about it. Eternal punishment is a little too extreme and passionate for avenging someone you merely respect.

While Solas does hate the Evanuris for a number of reasons, the only one he found worth mentioning when the Inquisitor asked "How did the elven gods go too far?" was "They killed Mythal".

[Uirebhiril]

I'm really drama-allergic IRL.  I'm not a people person to begin with, and drama shuts me down to the point where I don't feel like talking to people.  But apocalypse boyfriend who still dream-stalks me two years after a breakup?  Sign me up

 

"Apocalypse boyfriend" is one of the best terms ever coined for Solas. I was also reduced to fits of silly giggling when someone called Bull "50 Shades of Hissrad" in another thread.

 

I think sleep deprivation is catching up with me.

[midnight tea]

More speculation to add to the mix - I've been thinking about Solas/Fen'Harel and some rather vague, but noticeable associations of him with the moon - we see the moon on his Tower tarot card and the eclipse of some sort is apparently the cause of Fen'Harel's 'stirring' (waking up??).

 

That makes me wonder... is Mythal creating the moon, as a "pale reflection of the sun's true glory" a record of her effectively creating/calling upon/binding Solas to her will (at least initially)?

 

 

At this point it's hard to say what exactly the "Sun" is - the Earth we can guess as something associated with 'unchanging world' and Titans, but the sun yet remains something of a mystery (though personally I assume it's something of a counter-balance to Earth - earth is matter, sun is ideas; between them both they create life).

 

Elgar'nan claims to be the "Eldest of the Sun" and one who refers to sun as Father, but considering that from the lore revealed in Trespasser it seems more like elves either conquered the Earth, or took it by force and bent it to their will after some kind of disagreement/war, it's hard to say what can be taken literally and what metaphorically from those myths.

 

Yet, I think, Mythal creating the moon and it being a symbol for Solas seems to kind of... fit, provided my theory of Mythal and her relationship with Solas or why she may have called him to her side actually hold water.

 

We do know there was some sort of terrible war that eventually led to rising of Evanuris to position of godhood, emergence of class system in Elvenhan and enslavement of probably most of living creatures back then. According to Solas, the Evanuris were initially generals in this war, then eventually they became respected elders, kings and then gods.

So Mythal was definitely part of that war (if not one of the first to take arms) and seemed to have fought on the side of Evanuris, though that doesn't mean that she liked the outcome or agreed with the rest about the direction things were going. From available codices and comments Solas makes throughout both main game and Trespasser she seems like she was indeed a voice of reason, who had a calming influence on even most flippant and anger-prone of gods and kept them all from either killing one another or making things worse. 

 

But it also seems she may have worked on overthrowing the system she herself had a hand in establishing, maybe even long before she and Fen'Harel have secretly joined forces.

 

We don't yet know if the whole "he didn't want a body, but she asked him to come. He left a scar when he burned her off his face" refers to Solas, but it does indeed makes sense, especially if correlated with some evidence that he was initially her guardian. Whether he was her slave or perhaps willingly served remains an unknown, just like circumstances they've met remain unknown, BUT... if Mythal indeed either didn't like the outcome of the war, or perhaps longed for a better world that in some respects was closer to the one there was before Evanuris have risen, it would perhaps make sense that she would seek out those who perhaps reminded her of those times OR perhaps create one.

 

Her creating the moon to be a "pale reflection of sun's true glory" would make sense in Solas may be indeed one of those who were pure or curious enough to seek out the truth, and perhaps be a pale - but closest than the rest - reflection of how truly great people were (or could be) prior to the whole nasty war business and mucking stuff up by herself and the rest of Evanuris. It would make sense why she would want him by her side or why she may have secretly instigated and supported the whole rebellion and cooperated with him - he might have been initially her guardian, but in truth he was her chosen one to bring the needed change.

 

Sadly, the other Evanuris either figured out things or indeed wanted more power (or, well... likely both), killed her and ruined all of her and Dread Wolf's plans, which eventually made Solas desperate and basically "postpone" the whole change by lifting the permanent Veil and trapping the rest of Evanuris.

[figment_]

I wanted to add to that bit about Elgar'nan:

 

Supposedly, the reason that he cast his father/The Sun/The Maker into the void was because his father was jealous of the attention that he or all creation(?) was getting from the "Mother Earth" so he flew into a rage and burnt "all of creation" to a crisp. In vengeance for destroying all that he loved, Elgar'nan locked him up in the Void.

 

I'm pretty sure that Andruil released the Blight when she traveled to the Void, and went psycho...'cause reasons...

[NeverlandHunter]

 

Short art break (not Solas though, sorry  )

 

I think I've seen her other members of the pantheon on here, so I wanted to share her latest piece : Dirthamen

 

Spoiler

 

 

Source : http://al-teya.tumblr.com/

 

I like the birds!

...

I sound like Cole!

 
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Solas hits too close to home for me - I've spent more of my romantic life falling out of love with people and getting over nasty break-ups that I have in love. I would loathe having to meet him after two years and for him to tell him he still loved me - I would even go as far to say that's slightly cruel.

What's worse is that I probably wouldn't mind Solas IRL. I'm good with intellectual friendships, where we just talk about a shared special interest, and something might develop from that point. The snobbishness is the only real turn off, but if he'd allow me to have a debate about the origins of that and why his presumptions are incorrect or unfair (which I imagine he would, he's a huge nerd), then I could work around it quite easily. The secrecy about his previous life would be a massive glaring warning sign - honesty is a necessity for me - but I might choose to ignore that because I'm quite capable of making bad life decisions.

The more I think about it, the more uncomfortable I feel about it. No, I'm much happier my Lavellan is going through this, and not me. I think fiction allows us to enjoy the drama of a dysfunctional relationship, of the conflict there, without it actually hurting us too much.

Let's just all agree that video game romances do not translate well to real life.

 

Priorities in a real life relationship:

Attraction

Honesty

Common interests

Communication skills

Ability to work through tough times

Similar financial values (not to be underestimated in importance for long-term relationships)

 

Priorities in a game relationship:

Attraction

Drama

Squeeeee!! Moments

Ability to have you emotionally invested

Their undivided attention/interest in you.

 

All those other things get filled in by headcanon XD

[drosophila]

Well, I'm playing the game again for the first time since Tresspasser and I'm fine. Really. 

 

I think since so much of what he said has changed meaning, I'll replay my Lavellan from the very start again. For the last time, I swear!