Haha, yeah, would've been awesome if we could summon Cole.
Summoning Cole as a fifth party member would have been a fun little addition, I miss the summons we had in previous games. It doesn't even need much handwaving since it fits perfectly lore-wise... the idea that Cole had been there with us the entire time and we just failed to notice him.
I JUST CAN'T XDDDDDD
I'M DEADED -
He just seems to look her in the eyes except when he kisses her...hum cleavage xD and just shakes his head at the wonder that it is xD
I'M DEADED -
He just seems to look her in the eyes except when he kisses her...hum cleavage xD and just shakes his head at the wonder that it is xD
IKR hahahahahah that was so amazing... he goes straight to the ****** LOL
As of now I cannot say that I look forward to DA4 with gleefull anticipation from all that was given to us in the actual game. I more like dread the developments for Solas and Inky, which keeps me emotionally involved - but at what price? Should I look forward to face a friend of mine in combat? I certainly don't and I cannot enjoy seeing Solas in that position. As a gamer I want so much more than 'just' a good antagonist (and not many good come to mind easily). I want to experience and build worlds, expand my opinions and challenge my prejudices. That is what I love Bioware games for. And that is why I can forgive them for some let-down in the romances (Thanemancer here and oh - Solas!) or less-than-perfect-antagonists (Corysad wasn't so great and noooo - Solas!). I really hope there will be some great story behind the veil - regardless of Inky playing a major role or not.
What's wrong with Solas as an antagonist? I think he has the potential to be a fantastic antagonist, with a really good story to back him up.
I can certainly understand not wanting to see more tragedy befall him and Lavellan. Goodness knows they've had enough crap for a lifetime. But as an antagonist, he's a clever, capable man with clearly defined strengths and flaws, and a personal relationship with the protagonist to boot. The last two BioWare antagonists who fit that bill were Jon Irenicus and Master Li, and IMO they were BioWare's best. They were more than "just" a good antagonist; their opposition to the hero informed the whole tone of the story in a more meaningful way than just stopping the bad guy from destroying the world.
And IMO it's pretty clear that while he's an antagonist, quizzy does not have to declare him an enemy. A quizzy who tries to redeem him still considers him a friend.
Soooo... where is said thread?
While I do respect Iron Bull, Solas is complicated,
he's not a monster or a hero. Maybe he's both?
General Spoilers.
^^^ This.
Dirthy is totally the most underrated pantheon member. I would probably cry (in the best way) if I were able to wake up as him and cause unprecedented havoc for the gremlins of Thedas.
I am 100% on board with DA: Pantheon.
Sylaise is the most underrated (biased, she has the best vallaslin.) Dirthy, Falon'Din and June have tons of fans, Mythal has all her fans from Flemmeth's fanbase and the others are all pretty popular. And then there's Sylaise. Goddess of the hearth, home and magic. I cannot wait to see what kind of twisted sins against nature she did!
Hmm, that's odd. I've never autoleveled anyone. But since he comes by default with cold spells, I think of him as the Winter guy. Dorian for me is electricity. And Viv was fire.
For me Solas is Spirit, Viv is Winter (due to her introduction), Dorian is Fire (banter with Cole referencing fire spells) and Lavellan is Lightning.
This is how I always saw them (and build them before they get their specs):
Solas - Spirit
Dorian - Fire
Viv - Winter
My Lavellan - Electricity
...
I dub thee 'Science Illyria'. Now, which one of us is the evil twin?
That's...actually fairly close to how my SO and I dress.
You guys are adorable.
Solas always struck me as a fire mage, actually - I always thought he was kindling a flame in his first tarot card. As cliché as it is to say, underneath the cool, rational surface, I think he's motivated a lot by fiery passion, by emotion.
Viv already had ice covered - I mean, she literally uses Winter's Frost at a party to shut up a hater, and Dorian definitely strikes me as a lightning kind of guy (I think Varric nicknames him Sparkler, even?).
In reality I always fully spec my mages with the spirit tree, and put all remaining points in whatever my PC mage doesn't have. Solas usually gets lumped with Winter, because I always hog all the fire spells myself.
Nah, he was always more Spirit/Winter tree for me for one good reason - winter tree is the "brainy" one, with most crowd control options, which compliment Rift Mage tree that in itself is heavily about CC. Soals is therefore for me usually heal, utility and support - with the rest being DPS.
(with that said, most of my mages are specced so they have at least one type of spell each)
And Dorian is rather clearly fire tree, because fire passives and panic effect compliment Necromancer tree very nicely. Plus, Dorian (and Cole) mention fire in some banter (Cole even tells Rift Mage Inky that he prefers when Dorian throws fireballs rather than Necromancy spells), hence we know he's somewhat fire-happy.
Solas always struck me as a fire mage, actually - I always thought he was kindling a flame in his first tarot card. As cliché as it is to say, underneath the cool, rational surface, I think he's motivated a lot by fiery passion, by emotion.
Same. And after discovering the Pull of the Abyss + Fire Mine trick, I always have Solas specced as my fiery murder mage 
Even more so in Adaar's playthrough; Winter-specced Knight-Enchanter basically doesn't need support; with the Sigil of Lyrium and barrier recovery per swing of Spirit Blade, he's practically impossible to kill. My go-to party is the murder ball of Adaar, either Solas or Dorian, fully DPS Bull, and Sera. None of the others besides Adaar have much staying power, but they kill so fast it doesn't matter much 
But I also never play DA on the harder difficulties. I've just never liked the combat enough. Mass Effect 2 was the only BioWare game where I ever finished a full playthrough at max difficulty.
Same. And after discovering the Pull of the Abyss + Fire Mine trick, I always have Solas specced as my fiery murder mage
But I also never play DA on the harder difficulties. I've just never liked the combat enough. Mass Effect 2 was the only BioWare game where I ever finished a full playthrough at max difficulty.
I play exclusively on Nightmare, and while Pull Of The Abyss + Fire Mine was my RMs bread and butter, I adore two new morphs for both abilities as well.
New Pull just WHOMPS! everyone like rag dolls and three fire glyphs before my Inkys ruin everyone near her (it's fantastic for KE for that reason as well, since they're usually close to enemies).
Sylaise is the most underrated (biased, she has the best vallaslin.) Dirthy, Falon'Din and June have tons of fans, Mythal has all her fans from Flemmeth's fanbase and the others are all pretty popular. And then there's Sylaise. Goddess of the hearth, home and magic. I cannot wait to see what kind of twisted sins against nature she did!
I can't wait to learn more about her. And I agree, she does have the best vallaslin. Even though my Lavellan chose hers because it looked cool, I want to know which god she chose that way. And I wonder what Solas thinks of it. 
I play exclusively on Nightmare, and while Pull Of The Abyss + Fire Mine was my RMs bread and butter, I adore two new morphs for both abilities as well.
New Pull just WHOMPS! everyone like rag dolls and three fire glyphs before my Inkys ruin everyone near her
I haven't messed around with the new ability morphs yet. I'll have to try that. But not with Solas; melee combat so much as looks at him, and he keels over.
On a silly side note, playing as KE, I always find it hilarious how the other mages cast Barrier on just me right after I Fade Step into enemies. As if I can't cast it on myself 
I can just picture Solas with his disapproving dad face, right after my Adaar pinballs himself into combat with nary a warning
What's wrong with Solas as an antagonist? I think he has the potential to be a fantastic antagonist, with a really good story to back him up.
I can certainly understand not wanting to see more tragedy befall him and Lavellan. Goodness knows they've had enough crap for a lifetime. But as an antagonist, he's a clever, capable man with clearly defined strengths and flaws, and a personal relationship with the protagonist to boot. The last two BioWare antagonists who fit that bill were Jon Irenicus and Master Li, and IMO they were BioWare's best. They were more than "just" a good antagonist; their opposition to the hero informed the whole tone of the story in a more meaningful way than just stopping the bad guy from destroying the world.
And IMO it's pretty clear that while he's an antagonist, quizzy does not have to declare him an enemy. A quizzy who tries to redeem him still considers him a friend.
Watching the videos with an 'assquisitor' I can see Solas as a good opponent and I understand that the personal history adds to the appeal. For Lavellan though he seems to broken and in to much pain. As a player I do not like to go against my friends or kick them while they are down. As video games go, I expect to have to fight him and kill his agents or even him in the process (no, I do not belief that redeem neccessarily means, I can spare him - maybe only forgive him in the end). To me that possibly results in a whole game of despair (and the hell knows what he doesn't want her to see what he becomes, urrgh). That is not what I gladly spent my money on. I know there are different types of players around, but that is not my cup of tea.
What's wrong with Solas as an antagonist? I think he has the potential to be a fantastic antagonist, with a really good story to back him up.
I can certainly understand not wanting to see more tragedy befall him and Lavellan. Goodness knows they've had enough crap for a lifetime. But as an antagonist, he's a clever, capable man with clearly defined strengths and flaws, and a personal relationship with the protagonist to boot. The last two BioWare antagonists who fit that bill were Jon Irenicus and Master Li, and IMO they were BioWare's best. They were more than "just" a good antagonist; their opposition to the hero informed the whole tone of the story in a more meaningful way than just stopping the bad guy from destroying the world.
And IMO it's pretty clear that while he's an antagonist, quizzy does not have to declare him an enemy. A quizzy who tries to redeem him still considers him a friend.
Solas being the true antagonist of Inquistion all along actually makes the game better in some ways.
One problem I had with the game is that Corypheus never felt all that particularly threatening after Haven, he constantly was being thwarted left, right and centre and combined with the rather lacklustre manner in which we managed to defeat him, he felt like a completely lame villain.
But by revealing that the man behind the curtain is really the guy we had been working alongside from the very beginning, who'd secretly orchestrated all the events of the game and used us to further his own goals, that is actually a brilliant bit of storytelling.
In many ways, Corypheus is like the Arishok in DA2, the villain we think is important, only to later realise that the actual antagonist of the game is someone else. Solas similarly borrows Anders role, as the trusted friend we fought alongside suddenly turned antagonist and revealing that he'd used us as an unwitting pawn to carry out his plans to change the world.
For people who hated DA2 and loved Inquisition, it's amusing that it's basically the exact same game when you get down to basics.
... And cutting away or postponing what has been established in DAI somehow doesn't ruin the game? Dragon Age is not TES - it naturally follows what has been established in previous games.
The "my adventuring days are over" exists only in one dialogue option - the aggressive one literally has "now excuse me - I have the world to save. Again."
I somehow doubt that Inquisitor's involvement will depend on which dialogue option we choose at the end, or even if we choose to disband or not - not with the last scene being Inky planning a visit in Tevinter and with hints all over the epilogue cards (especially befriended Sera's) that the whole "retirement" is just a ruse to placate public.
I mean, it is implied by the ending itself that Tevinter becomes important for Inquisitor in plans to stop Solas - that itself makes them important, and I can't see how they'd scale down their involvement without it feeling cheap, if we only end up with a cameo or worse - a chain of letters or proxies.
At this point this is not about a happy ending - Trespasser itself strongly implied that it's Inquisitor's job to either try and stop and perhaps kill Solas or try and redeem him. They wouldn't be using words as strong as that if they didn't have something planned for Inky... maybe not as much as they have for Solas, but certainly more than "just a previous protagonist". Trespasser effectively gave them a new purpose.
Just to point out as I don't know if anyone has or not (haven't caught up yet completely) and I know you weren't the one who originally brought up this line but .. the Inquisitor says, "My adventuring days may be over ..." They say MAY be over, not ARE over. Just to point that out.
Also epilogues say, the supposedly desk bound Inquisitor (if you don't disband) or the supposedly retired Inquisitor (if you do disband). They never outright say the Inquisitor is done.
So whilst there may be a new protagonist in the next game I strongly suspect the Inquisitor will be quite important to the story in one way or another.
I dub thee 'Science Illyria'. Now, which one of us is the evil twin?
Science Illyria sounds awesome. Hope I can live up to it.
Dunno, I think I'm a nice person, but I'm so drawn to evil things 
I probably won't be able to pull off good twin
Just to point out as I don't know if anyone has or not (haven't caught up yet completely) and I know you weren't the one who originally brought up this line but .. the Inquisitor says, "My adventuring days may be over ..." They say MAY be over, not ARE over. Just to point that out.
Also epilogues say, the supposedly desk bound Inquisitor (if you don't disband) or the supposedly retired Inquisitor (if you do disband). They never outright say the Inquisitor is done.
So whilst there may be a new protagonist in the next game I strongly suspect the Inquisitor will be quite important to the story in one way or another.
Also, as I'm always going to point out until we know more, that statement is made in front of the council - in public, in a political context, and where it is inevitably going to spread. It makes a good cover.
Watching the videos with an 'assquisitor' I can see Solas as a good opponent and I understand that the personal history adds to the appeal. For Lavellan though he seems to broken and in to much pain. As a player I do not like to go against my friends or kick them while they are down. As video games go, I expect to have to fight him and kill his agents or even him in the process (no, I do not belief that redeem neccessarily means, I can spare him - maybe only forgive him in the end). To me that possibly results in a whole game of despair (and the hell knows what he doesn't want her to see what he becomes, urrgh). That is not what I gladly spent my money on. I know there are different types of players around, but that is not my cup of tea.
Neither do I, but I also don't think the story has to go that way.
It got touchy earlier in the thread, but the best example I can think of are some of the rivalry relationships in DA2. Rivalry did not have to mean putting your party members down or causing them pain. It meant disagreeing, but respectfully. It meant trying to help each other grow as people. Yes, it's a video game, and we will probably have to work against Solas. But that doesn't necessarily mean a whole game of despair. For that matter, we don't even know if quizzy has to be the one personally killing his agents and stalling his plans. We might very well be playing as someone else for the majority of the game.
tl;dr: We don't know how the story is going to unfold, so banal nadas 
Science Illyria sounds awesome. Hope I can live up to it.
Dunno, I think I'm a nice person, but I'm so drawn to evil things
I think I was recently named official cinnamon roll of my friend group.
I haven't messed around with the new ability morphs yet. I'll have to try that. But not with Solas; melee combat so much as looks at him, and he keels over.
On a silly side note, playing as KE, I always find it hilarious how the other mages cast Barrier on just me right after I Fade Step into enemies. As if I can't cast it on myself
Well, that's a matter of build and party comp I rarely have Solas killed - be it because he has enough of sel-preservation sense established via build or tactics or my Inky and rest just jump into the fray and CHOP EVERYTHING
And Fade Step is probably my favorite ability - I like being mobile, and since it's also mana-free I use it super-often... And yeah, I can imagine Solas being all grumpy, especially at my Lavellan, who I headcannon to adore zipping around the battlefield like a nimble ghost, avoiding damage and frosting everything... but she's also a hothouse orchid no better than Dorian when it comes to disliking cold, so after the battle suddenly that refreshing chill becomes "Auuugh! I'm FREEZING!" (guess who gets to be assaulted with her cold hands? )
I think I was recently named official cinnamon roll of my friend group.
Dude, you could be the cinnamon roll of our thread
Just to point out as I don't know if anyone has or not (haven't caught up yet completely) and I know you weren't the one who originally brought up this line but .. the Inquisitor says, "My adventuring days may be over ..." They say MAY be over, not ARE over. Just to point that out.
Also epilogues say, the supposedly desk bound Inquisitor (if you don't disband) or the supposedly retired Inquisitor (if you do disband). They never outright say the Inquisitor is done.
So whilst there may be a new protagonist in the next game I strongly suspect the Inquisitor will be quite important to the story in one way or another.
True - in one of the disband option Inky also says that "the fight is over... for most" or something of the sort. Like, there are hints all over that this whole "retirement"/"being desk-bound" thing is just a good cover story for Inky to work in secret in a plan to try and save the world (and maybe Solas with it).
I think I was recently named official cinnamon roll of my friend group.
I dub thee Cinnamon Roll of the Solas Thread.
Dude, you could be the cinnamon roll of our thread
Better not - whoever becomes a cinnamon roll, I WILL EAT THEM.
... you have all been warned
Well, that's a matter of build and party comp
And Fade Step is probably my favorite ability - I like being mobile, and since it's also mana-free I use it super-often... And yeah, I can imagine Solas being all grumpy, especially at my Lavellan, who I headcannon to adore zipping around the battlefield like a nimble ghost, avoiding damage and frosting everything... but she's also a hothouse orchid no better than Dorian when it comes to disliking cold, so after the battle suddenly that refreshing chill becomes "Auuugh! I'm FREEZING!" (guess who becomes assaulted with her cold hands?
Psht, that's what boyfriends are for That and opening jars.
Solas is usually fine in my game. He only gets caught in melee on weird maps where the pathing glitches. Poor dude got cornered in the Shrine of Dumat yesterday by a Red Templar behemoth because he suddenly forgot how to use stairs
Better not - whoever becomes a cinnamon roll, I WILL EAT THEM.
... you have all been warned
Psht, that's what boyfriends are for
Solas is usually fine in my game. He only gets caught in melee on weird maps where the pathing glitches. Poor dude got cornered in the Shrine of Dumat yesterday by a Red Templar behemoth because he suddenly forgot how to use stairs
And killing spiders! Although I'm waiting for revenge of spiders... like in this commercial
(a friendly warning for arachnophobes - don't watch )
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