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[meersalz]

Neither do I, but I also don't think the story has to go that way.

 

It got touchy earlier in the thread, but the best example I can think of are some of the rivalry relationships in DA2.  Rivalry did not have to mean putting your party members down or causing them pain.  It meant disagreeing, but respectfully.  It meant trying to help each other grow as people.  Yes, it's a video game, and we will probably have to work against Solas.  But that doesn't necessarily mean a whole game of despair.  For that matter, we don't even know if quizzy has to be the one personally killing his agents and stalling his plans.  We might very well be playing as someone else for the majority of the game.

 

tl;dr: We don't know how the story is going to unfold, so banal nadas

 

I agree - we do not know. As of now I simply do not look forward to the next game. Bioware does have the potential to surprise me though and I really hope they do!

[MayriyaNoori]

*catches up with thread, grabs crochet project, turns on Dread Wolf Theme*

...........

*gets teary eyed*

GD Solas! I'm crocheting, this is possibly the most chillax thing a person can do and I'm getting emtoinal during it because of you!

..........my fault for putting this music on, but still.

[Cee]

Dude, you could be the cinnamon roll of our thread

 

I dub thee Cinnamon Roll of the Solas Thread.

 

It was a real conversation that happened a few days ago. I guess it works, my friend (the one who just got married) regularly sends me cute pictures of puppies, kittens, napkins, plants, etc that he tells me are more intimidating than I am. His now-wife joined in at some point. So I signed the wedding card as "your most intimidating friend".

[Cee]

*catches up with thread, grabs crochet project, turns on Dread Wolf Theme*

...........

*gets teary eyed*

GD Solas! I'm crocheting, this is possibly the most chillax thing a person can do and I'm getting emtoinal during it because of you!

..........my fault for putting this music on, but still.

 

 

The blanket fort is open 24/7 for these very needs.

[drosophila]

It was a real conversation that happened a few days ago. I guess it works, my friend (the one who just got married) regularly sends me cute pictures of puppies, kittens, napkins, plants, etc that he tells me are more intimidating than I am. His now-wife joined in at some point. So I signed the wedding card as "your most intimidating friend".

 

How do you kind-hearted people do it? This is an actual conversation I had with my husband yesterday:

 

Husband: [about something I said about a friend's date] I'll tell him you said that. It really goes well with your 'cold humorless Eastern Europear wife' image.

Me: What?! Am I humorless? I make jokes all the time!

Husband: Yes, but they're cruel. 

[MayriyaNoori]

The blanket fort is open 24/7 for these very needs.

I turn into a puddle of total sadness when I listen to this song. The more I think about it....the more I believe that Morris must have gazed into a vial of Weekes fan tears in order to compose it. Then he sprinkled some ominous to represent people who dislike Solas.

[midnight tea]

 

I crave cinnamon rolls more than Solas craves the world without the Veil T_T...

[Illyria]

How do you kind-hearted people do it? This is an actual conversation I had with my husband yesterday:

 

Husband: [about something I said about a friend's date] I'll tell him you said that. It really goes well with your 'cold humorless Eastern Europear wife' image.

Me: What?! Am I humorless? I make jokes all the time!

Husband: Yes, but they're cruel. 

 

Jane Austen did that sort of thing all the time and she's one of the most highly respected English novelists.

 

(seriously, check out her private letters to her sister at some point.  Woman could be cruel.)

[drosophila]

Jane Austen did that sort of thing all the time and she's one of the most highly respected English novelists.

 

And I'm a huge fan of hers

[Cee]

How do you kind-hearted people do it? This is an actual conversation I had with my husband yesterday:

 

Husband: [about something I said about a friend's date] I'll tell him you said that. It really goes well with your 'cold humorless Eastern Europear wife' image.

Me: What?! Am I humorless? I make jokes all the time!

Husband: Yes, but they're cruel. 

 

My boyfriend is still trying to locate my dark side. He thinks it's boring and weird that I seem to lack evil.

 

Recent conversation re: Trespasser

 

Me: I felt so evil watching someone stream Trespasser, knowing some terrible thing was going to happen [Bull's betrayal since she was unable to do his mission] and waiting for her reaction.

Him: That's "evil" to you? That's cute.

Me: Yes, I felt evil and kind of guilty.

Him: *laughter*

 

I make jokes but when I tease people they seem to be mostly playful or observational.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I turn into a puddle of total sadness when I listen to this song. The more I think about it....the more I believe that Morris must have gazed into a vial of Weekes fan tears in order to compose it. Then he sprinkled some ominous to represent people who dislike Solas.

 

Also, the whole "bringing on the apocalypse" angle

 

I have the soundtrack for Inquisition, and it's definitely weird listening to that, then Trespasser's music.  Inquisition's music is epic and badass and uplifting; Trespasser is still epic, but very melancholy by comparison, even the bits of music that have nothing to do with Solas.  

 

 

My boyfriend is still trying to locate my dark side. He thinks it's boring and weird that I seem to lack evil.

 

My boyfriend located my evil side via video games

 

I can sometimes play bad in RPGs, but I consistently approach Emperor Palpatine levels of evil in 4X games like Civilization.  Or even worse, Crusader Kings 2.  In Civ, I once parked a nuclear weapon on my most powerful rival's doorstep, just to see him squirm.  I didn't even intend to bomb him.  I just left the nuke there and ensured no one else could build any   And there was definitely the time when CK2 judged me for assassinating a kid...

[Cee]

I turn into a puddle of total sadness when I listen to this song. The more I think about it....the more I believe that Morris must have gazed into a vial of Weekes fan tears in order to compose it. Then he sprinkled some ominous to represent people who dislike Solas.

 

I really love the ominous meets feels layers of that track. I think I'm going to go listen to it and join you in the fort. I have a cake pop! Or, well, like 2/3 of a cake pop.

[Cee]

My boyfriend located my evil side via video games

 

I can sometimes play bad in RPGs, but I consistently approach Emperor Palpatine levels of evil in 4X games like Civilization.  Or even worse, Crusader Kings 2.  In Civ, I once parked a nuclear weapon on my most powerful rival's doorstep, just to see him squirm.  I didn't even intend to bomb him.  I just left the nuke there and ensured no one else could build any   And there was definitely the time when CK2 judged me for assassinating a kid...

 

See, these are the things that don't occur to me. I try to better my imagination for such things, especially if I ever want to write an antagonist of some sort. Though I'd have the feels down, and inner conflict, I think, doing evil things to me requires that I come up with and/or understand it intellectually, which sometimes clashes with the empathy that drives me.

 

As a writer, I want that sort of flexibility, and recognize it as a limitation, at least creatively. In real life, it just makes me squishy.

[MayriyaNoori]

I really love the ominous meets feels layers of that track. I think I'm going to go listen to it and join you in the fort. I have a cake pop! Or, well, like 2/3 of a cake pop.

Solas would like cake pops.......especially ones with decoration on them.......

[Nightspirit]

My boyfriend located my evil side via video games

 

I can sometimes play bad in RPGs, but I consistently approach Emperor Palpatine levels of evil in 4X games like Civilization.  Or even worse, Crusader Kings 2.  In Civ, I once parked a nuclear weapon on my most powerful rival's doorstep, just to see him squirm.  I didn't even intend to bomb him.  I just left the nuke there and ensured no one else could build any   And there was definitely the time when CK2 judged me for assassinating a kid...

 

I can rarely play a bad character in RPGs (I really tried, but felt physically sick after killing Wrex, couldn't continue with that PT), but Civ and GTA bring out my inner demon. Some time ago I launched GTA, ran to an intersection and kept blowing up cars with a rocket launcher. The city was in chaos, people were panicking, the police/ambulance/fire truck sirens were wailing. It was magnificent. Then I stole a cab and played cabbie for 20 minutes *shrug*. Just a regular day in San Andreas I guess.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I can rarely play a bad character in RPGs (I really tried, but felt physically sick after killing Wrex, couldn't continue with that PT), but Civ and GTA bring out my inner demon. Some time ago I launched GTA, ran to an intersection and kept blowing up cars with a rocket launcher. The city was in chaos, people were panicking, the police/ambulance/fire truck sirens were wailing. It was magnificent. Then I stole a cab and played cabbie for 20 minutes *shrug*. Just a regular day in San Andreas I guess.

 

For me, it's different in an RPG because the people that I'm harming by playing bad are actual characters.  I know them, so it hurts to harm them.  And when I do play bad, it's an interesting RP experience but I wouldn't always call it fun.  The first playthrough of my insane maleficar Hawke definitely messed with me for a bit.  But in Civ, I really couldn't care less about a bunch of units and numbers, so I can get my villain cackle going

 

See, these are the things that don't occur to me. I try to better my imagination for such things, especially if I ever want to write an antagonist of some sort. Though I'd have the feels down, and inner conflict, I think, doing evil things to me requires that I come up with and/or understand it intellectually, which sometimes clashes with the empathy that drives me.

 

As a writer, I want that sort of flexibility, and recognize it as a limitation, at least creatively. In real life, it just makes me squishy.

 

I really like thinking about villains as an intellectual exercise.  And the more horrible/scary, the better.  Probably contributed to my pickiness over villains.

 

But IRL I'm the idiot who brought home a box of rescue kittens and sneaks treats to the neighbor's dogs and can't watch Princess Bride without getting weepy.  So my boyfriend and I have come to the conclusion that I'll be fine as long as no one gives me ultimate power  

[Cee]

 I really like thinking about villains as an intellectual exercise.  And the more horrible/scary, the better.  Probably contributed to my pickiness over villains.

 

But IRL I'm the idiot who brought home a box of rescue kittens and sneaks treats to the neighbor's dogs and can't watch Princess Bride without getting weepy.  So my boyfriend and I have come to the conclusion that I'll be fine as long as no one gives me ultimate power

 

 

No one give Sable ultimate power, k?

[Illyria]

For me, it's different in an RPG because the people that I'm harming by playing bad are actual characters.  I know them, so it hurts to harm them.  And when I do play bad, it's an interesting RP experience but I wouldn't always call it fun.  The first playthrough of my insane maleficar Hawke definitely messed with me for a bit.  But in Civ, I really couldn't care less about a bunch of units and numbers, so I can get my villain cackle going

 

 

I really like thinking about villains as an intellectual exercise.  And the more horrible/scary, the better.  Probably contributed to my pickiness over villains.

 

But IRL I'm the idiot who brought home a box of rescue kittens and sneaks treats to the neighbor's dogs and can't watch Princess Bride without getting weepy.  So my boyfriend and I have come to the conclusion that I'll be fine as long as no one gives me ultimate power

 

I love thinking about villians.  My problem is I tend to make them too competent.  Warden Idiot from Mass Effect 2 for example: I have about 10 different ways he could've carried out his plan and all of them result in having no Shepard to save the galexy from the Reapers.

 

But IRL: that gif Cee found of baby donkeys gently butting heads is actually me.

[NeverlandHunter]

How are you guys doing!?

Mini art break. 

 

Trespasser: "You're the relic!" (This is intense stuff right here.)

Spoiler

Source: http://kimberly-park...not-fine-at-all

 

I love this!

This was posted a couple pages back, but I'm quoting because it's awesome!

You're the relic Solas! It's not the world it's you. Well okay, it might be a little bit the world, but it's mostly you!

I JUST CAN'T XDDDDDD

Solas likes em tig 'ol bitties *makes a lewd face*

That's a very pretty Qunari though, mine always come out meh, she's definitely woof!

That height difference though XD

[drosophila]

I do damage but I'm squishy. I can see myself doing something villainous and then five minutes later I would realize I actually hurt people and feel terrible. It's happened on many occasions. And I have a number of weak spots that make me easily hurt, though I probably won't show it at the time.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I love thinking about villians.  My problem is I tend to make them too competent.  

 

I just ran into this problem with a villain I designed for my BFF's homebrew D&D game.  This guy pulled a Solas if Solas was actually a completely evil sociopath, lying low and basically letting the party get all the pieces of a god-making relic for him.  Now that they finally figured out he's the bad guy, we're in a bit of a bind because any obvious action against him will just get them all killed.  The party seriously messed up some stuff, so he's already an Avatar of the god of tyranny 

[drosophila]

I just ran into this problem with a villain I designed for my BFF's homebrew D&D game. This guy pulled a Solas if Solas was actually a completely evil sociopath, lying low and basically letting the party get all the pieces of a god-making relic for him. Now that they finally figured out he's the bad guy, we're in a bit of a bind because any obvious action against him will just get them all killed. The party seriously messed up some stuff, so he's already an Avatar of the god of tyranny

Yeah. Def don't give Sable ultimate power.

[midnight tea]

Been listening to some recorded banter on YT to see if I missed something, and turns out than I did (since I haven't yet conscripted mages). Here's an interesting banter between Solas and Vivienne I just heard:

 

Vivienne: "You must be disappointed, apostate - your rebels have not found the freedom they hoped for."
Solas: "I've planted no seeds in your garden, Enchanter. You grew that fruit yourself."
Vivienne: "And I will once again ensure they are protected from a world that hates and fears them."
Solas: "While mages live in deprivation you do not share, you lord your mystique over those not so gifted! Well played, Enchanter - in another age you might have ruled an empire!"
Vivienne: "You are too kind my dear... But this age is still young!"

 

Okay... it's no secret that these two don't love one another for variety of reasons, but now I think I get exactly why Solas dislikes Vivienne as much as he does: it seems to me that she does a lot of things the reminds him directly of what Evanuris have done; heck, he pretty much implied that she may have been one of them back in 'good old times'.

 

Which in itself is an interesting thing to ponder... there are many parallels that can be drawn between many characters, organizations or events in Dragon Age - and I wonder if Vivenne isn't in the story not just for specific role in the plot or to provide a pretty unique perspective of a politically-skilled loyalist mage, but the mindset of Evanuris as well? (now I wonder if 'Evanuris' doesn't directly translate to 'Enchanters'...?)

 

(edit: Does this also mean that back in 'good old times' of Evanuris, they have locked those more magically gifted in something akin to Circles and lorded over others that only had minimal magical gifts? It would explain why Solas is so passionate about mages freedom, or why he says "how are mages going to be treated better?" when he's caught off-guard by a remark made by non-elf Inquisitor after events in Halamshiral...)

[DarthEmpress]

I want some cinnamon rolls. I bet Solas would like them. Imagine him sobbing and stuffing his face with sweet yummiest while crying, "vhenan!"

U do this to yourself, Solas.

[S.W.]

I'm a big villain fan here, but I find them so hard to RP. Usually my first characters for an RPG just tend to do what I'd do in those situations - so they blunder along, trying to be nice to everyone, and tend to be politically incompetent. There are just some options I have difficulty justifying - like selling Fenris to Danarius.

 

My fav. villains tend to be very Solas-esque - they have different ethical standards and prioritise different things, and occasionally they lack information (although not too much - I like them to be competent), and ultimately believe what they're doing is just and/or necessary. It's why I Loghain.

 

Solas is an interesting case in particular because of his continual conflict over what he's doing - yet he still trundles on and puts his plans into action. It's very like in real life - people often find it difficult to leave a cause they've committed to already, they're afraid they'll betray the people they've trusted, and ruin what they've worked on. So they sometimes continue on, even if they doubt what they're doing, until they reach breaking point.

 

How are you guys doing!?

 

Playing through DA:O again, got almost to the landsmeet and I've come to a... romantic predicament. Planned on romancing Leliana, all well and good, but flirted with Zev a bit early in the game (who doesn't? ), and now his approval is high enough that he's asking me to sleep with him. Conversations are queued, I think - so the jealousy ones will trigger later. I'm having massive trouble turning him down - like, RP wise, I think Tabris and Zevran make a better match than Tabris and Leliana, and plus I like Zev more. I might just headcanon them as having a polyamorous relationship and not talk to Leli for the rest of the gane. Thank god Morrigan isn't bisexual, or I'd truly be screwed.