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[Uirebhiril]

I highly doubt that will be the case. In fact, I'm actually hoping that he's right about some things and isn't just an idiot, because that's where I see the narrative heading as of now. Pure you're right, he's wrong in every single way. If he's just a screw up in every single aspect of everything he does, that's boring as heck. I want to doubt myself and my choices in at least some manner. 

 

Yes. Yes. I've said it before, and I mean it that I want us to have to really think and agonize every step of the way along whatever path we must take to save/stop/redeem Solas. I don't want it to be a clear-cut right/wrong decision for everything we do. And yes, I don't want him to morph from complex gray character into a stupid idiot that our special snowflake selves must teach the error of his ways or kill because he's too far gone to listen. I want him to be right about something, even if he is wrong about others. And I want US to be wrong about things too, because in the end? We can't possibly know that much more, or that much better about everything Solas has seen or fought against or done. We're unique, but being that special would just induce an eyeroll and completely waste the character Solas was set up as.

[midnight tea]

I just hope they don't turn him into the Catalyst to make his idiot plan "right."

 

Oh, look at me, I'm an immortal being doing horrible stuff to save you!  Your puny mortal gremlin brains just can't handle it TROLOLOLOLOL 

 

Oh, I do actually do look forward to Bioware make his plan look less "idiotic" than how it appears to be now. Giving him an "idiotic" plan that has no merits, or doesn't look like something of a viable solution in face of what awaits/may await Thedas would be... well, idiotic. Easy. Black-and-white.

 

By making his plan or future of Thedas uncertain (no matter if Solas accomplishes his goals or changes his mind) or more complicated than it seems, it actually gives a legitimate moral conflict to our protagonists, no matter if they just want to end Solas or save him (or side with him or Inquisition or whoever else would be there).

[Cee]

Can I just lament how sad I was about how short this woman's presence was in the game? She was great, I really wanted to see more of her. She got a great death, but if she was still kicking around I would have kept the Wardens just to see how we'd go about redeeming her.

 

I have seen at least one or two people pledge Clarel crushes.

[midnight tea]

Sorry to jump in with a quick topic change, but I've been contemplating DA4 and was wondering what you all thought of this idea.

 

What if the new protagonist becomes, perhaps unknowingly, an agent of Fen'Harel? Solas isn't a typical villain after all. If we start off in Tevinter and they are at war with the Qunari, I don't think it's too far fetched that Fen'Harel or his agents would step in to save someone from getting killed or enslaved to the Qun (or the magisters for that matter). Especially if they happened to be after an artifact or powerful item the other group possessed at the time.

 

And a rescued protagonist might gratefully join up with them until discovering the more ruthless aspects of the organization. I think Solas is smart enough to recruit followers from all races if they prove useful. "Restoring the elves" could be spun into "helping oppressed people" as long as the details of the true end goal were concealed well enough.

 

Of course this would put the protagonist in a perfect position to be recruited by the Inquisition and act as a double agent. It would also hopefully allow a brand new player to see a more nuanced version of Solas than 'Evil Big Bad' and some first-hand motivation for redeeming or killing him.

 

I don't know about becoming an unwitting agent of Fen'Harel, but I think it would be interesting if this new protagonist (who may start as agent of Inquisition at first), after hearing both sides - and whoever else there is - may choose to side with one or the other (or perhaps think of a novel solution and make them work together).

[Eivuwan]

To me this is what I can see with Solas and a new PC.

 

Skip to 1:05.

 

 

Oh god! Plz no.

[dragondreamer]

Every time I see someone say that Solas thinks of modern people as gremlins, I wonder, does that mean Lavellan is Gizmo?

 

 

"Don't destroy the world, So-laas."

[RynJ]

Yes. Yes. I've said it before, and I mean it that I want us to have to really think and agonize every step of the way along whatever path we must take to save/stop/redeem Solas. I don't want it to be a clear-cut right/wrong decision for everything we do. And yes, I don't want him to morph from complex gray character into a stupid idiot that our special snowflake selves must teach the error of his ways or kill because he's too far gone to listen. I want him to be right about something, even if he is wrong about others. And I want US to be wrong about things too, because in the end? We can't possibly know that much more, or that much better about everything Solas has seen or fought against or done. We're unique, but being that special would just induce an eyeroll and completely waste the character Solas was set up as.

 

This. This. This with every fiber of my being. I've never liked roleplaying my characters this way, but this seems to be what a lot of people want out of this encounter. I mean, I get it. This is a game we play to be the very best, like no one ever was and for wish fulfillment. But I want to suffer and think about my decisions for days after I make them! Say what you want about Solas and being arrogant or whatever, but he HAS been around for a looooooooong, long, long time. The Inquisitor will never understand his situation or what he's seen, not really. We shouldn't be this fount of wisdom that makes him realize the error of his ways, but the catalyst that makes him put everything he knows and has been through into perspective and realize that he's wrong and he knows it. Even if we have to beat him up to make him do it. 

 

I mean, clearly his plan is horrendous and rather villainous and multiple aspects of it need to be stopped. But it'd actually be a bit ridiculous if he was wrong about everything. If there wasn't an understandable sense of urgency to what he's doing, especially now that we have to tie in things like the Blight, the Forgotten Ones, the Evanuris, the Titans, etc, that'd be pretty lame. ARGH I just want to make hard choices, BioWare. HARD. GREY. CHOICES. 

[NeverlandHunter]

That's exactly what I wanted for a dialogue option!

I wish we could of said so much more to him.

 

O.O if the next game has a double Blight in it, I'll be scared (very scared) for Thedas (Qunari uprising, Solass Threat) will mean nothing if a double Blight kills everyone.

I let a certain Architect live in expectation that that^ would not happen. If it does, I want a refund!

Seriously though, when is the Architect going to show up and why did no one mention him in Inquisition.

If you were Leliana's, Morrigan's, or Alistair's lover you should know about him! There to similar for it not to be brought up! Unless of course The Warden didn't tell their partner, which is kind of iffy, depending on how you role played your Warden, and I'd be peeved if my Warden lover kept that from me.

 

 

 

*The Warden comes to Skyhold to share information about his/her knowledge of a figure from his/her past that is similar to Corypheus and to see Leliana again*

 

The Warden: Okay, so I have some news to share *explains about the Architect*

 

*Stunned silence*

 

Leliana: Why didn't you tell me about any of this!?

 

The Warden: It was Warden business Lels I was sworn to secrecy I--

 

Leliana: Warden business? You kept it from me because it was Warden business, even though we went through so much together during the Blight  when I helped with the Warden business!

 

*Cassandra, Cullen, The Inquisitor, and Josephine slowly back away*

 

The Warden: Leliana, now isn't the time or place I--

 

Leliana: You are correct! Years ago would of been the time and place, or any of the times we spent together in between!

 

The Warden: I hid it because I was ashamed! I lost so many friends, I led them and... it was my mistake.

 

Cassandra: Perhaps this can be brought up on a later date, we have much to discuss.

 

 

 

Probably even worst if you kept it from a Warden Alistair...

[GoldenGail3]

I wish we could of said so much more to him.

 

I let a certain Architect live in expectation that that^ would not happen. If it does, I want a refund!

Seriously though, when is the Architect going to show up and why did no one mention him in Inquisition.

If you were Leliana's, Morrigan's, or Alistair's lover you should know about him! There to similar for it not to be brought up! Unless of course The Warden didn't tell their partner, which is kind of iffy, depending on how you role played your Warden, and I'd be peeved if my Warden lover kept that from me.

 

 

 

*The Warden comes to Skyhold to share information about his/her knowledge of a figure from his/her past that is similar to Corypheus and to see Leliana again*

 

The Warden: Okay, so I have some news to share *explains about the Architect*

 

*Stunned silence*

 

Leliana: Why didn't you tell me about any of this!?

 

The Warden: It was Warden business Lels I was sworn to secrecy I--

 

Leliana: Warden business? You kept it from me because it was Warden business, even though we went through so much together during the Blight  when I helped with the Warden business!

 

*Cassandra, Cullen, The Inquisitor, and Josephine slowly back away*

 

The Warden: Leliana, now isn't the time or place I--

 

Leliana: You are correct! Years ago would of been the time and place, or any of the times we spent together in between!

 

The Warden: I hid it because I was ashamed! I lost so many friends, I led them and... it was my mistake.

 

Cassandra: Perhaps this can be brought up on a later date, we have much to discuss.

 

 

 

Probably even worst if you kept it from a Warden Alistair...

OMG. I will be so sad if it's Warden Alistair.. he's my Amell's love.

[Cee]

I got the impression that he's trying to convince himself more than you.  That somehow, giving Thedas some respite before pulling the trigger is better than what Corypheus wanted to do.

 

 

His definition of monster is destroying the world and enjoying it, which he doesn't. Though honestly, I feel like he's trying to convince himself that he's not a monster as much as he is you. As of now, he refuses to give up his "duty", but he wants to make sure people suffer as little as possible because it's better than the alternative. Not that saying this would ever come as a comfort to someone in the modern world, which is where the "Gee....thanks....?" feeling comes from.

 

This is all hitting on what I perceive as the heart of Solas' inner struggle. It's glorious!  I will never understand how people hate characters like this.

 

I'm out of likes again but all of this. It is so tragic. So very, very tragic, but also leaves cracks for hope. If he were all MUAHAHAHA certain and one-note and cared less, there wouldn't be.

 

[NeverlandHunter]

Every time I see someone say that Solas thinks of modern people as gremlins, I wonder, does that mean Lavellan is Gizmo?

 

<snip it out forever>

 

"Don't destroy the world, So-laas."

EEEEWWW NO!!

KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!

 

*Gremlins gave me awful nightmares as a child*

[GoldenGail3]

EEEEWWW NO!!

KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!

 

*Gremlins gave me awful nightmares as a child*

I always thought Gremlims were disgusting creatures. 

[NightSymphony]

http://addiemon.devi...ilers-563147229

[Colonelkillabee]

I don't know about becoming an unwitting agent of Fen'Harel, but I think it would be interesting if this new protagonist (who may start as agent of Inquisition at first), after hearing both sides - and whoever else there is - may choose to side with one or the other (or perhaps think of a novel solution and make them work together).

A new protag after all the buildup for the Inquisitor makes me a sad panda tbh. Especially with how close they are to Solas, one way or another.

[Cee]

It's sort of ironic in a way, because my girl was like yours in that she didn't want the responsibility of being Inquisitor or a leader of any kind until Dark Future Redcliffe, the nightmares she still suffers from was probably the biggest driving force to her taking her new position by the reigns and giving it all she had to fix things, to make sure that future didn't happen. But my girl refused to let it change her; she never killed where she could help it (recruiting all the bad guys*), and any personal quest that involved killing/sacrificing she firmly put her foot down, no matter how justified.

 

*I hope we get to see some repercussions about how we judged people; like if we didn't outright kill certain people and/or recruited them, it'll come back to bite us on the ass later. I always felt like the judgements in the game sat out like an odd duck and didn't seem to really go anywhere.

 

Mine didn't quite expect to be thrust into this leadership position and certainly didn't want to be some revered religious figure, but she also recognized that there were some qualities within her that she could adapt and use to help. She has a strong sense of duty and she was chosen for the Conclave based upon her time spent accompanying her father on merchant trips. There's a certain almost 'worldly' quality to her that was a factor in her taking up the merchant trips as well as Conclave spying and that was also an influence upon the end of her first relationship (the one I've been writing about a lot lately). 

 

Nirwen has two younger siblings and that older sister, responsible eldest child profile fits her.

 

She recruited everyone but Erimond (executed) and unintentionally got into a fight with Florianne.
 

[midnight tea]

Yes. Yes. I've said it before, and I mean it that I want us to have to really think and agonize every step of the way along whatever path we must take to save/stop/redeem Solas. I don't want it to be a clear-cut right/wrong decision for everything we do. And yes, I don't want him to morph from complex gray character into a stupid idiot that our special snowflake selves must teach the error of his ways or kill because he's too far gone to listen. I want him to be right about something, even if he is wrong about others. And I want US to be wrong about things too, because in the end? We can't possibly know that much more, or that much better about everything Solas has seen or fought against or done. We're unique, but being that special would just induce an eyeroll and completely waste the character Solas was set up as.

 

... Which is why I like that we actually see that (in smaller scale, ofc) in Trespasser and think is promising for the future - Solas was right about Inquisition becoming corrupt: either because of how much it grew, an oversight, naivete or just pure strain put by political powers trying to tear Inky down.

 

And not only he was right - the grand irony here was that the Inquisition was so infiltrated that the Qunari tripped over his agents, which effectively helped HIM alert Inquisition and be directly responsible for saving everyone's butt!

 

(I now almost wish Solas had a dialog option that goes like "...Oy! I'm doing your job for you! Me - the one may destroy this world ! Kindly up your game from now on, please  ")

 

I find it both hilarious, and at the same time great. If Trespasser is in any way symptomatic of what awaits us in the future, I probably shouldn't worry as much as I sometimes do.

[RynJ]

... Which is why I like that we actually see that in Trespasser and think is promising for the future - Solas was right about Inquisition becoming corrupt: either because of how much it grew, an oversight, naivete or just pure strain put by political powers trying to tear Inky down.

 

And not only he was right - the grand irony here was that the Inquisition was so infiltrated that the Qunari tripped over his agents, which effectively helped HIM alert Inquisition and be directly responsible for saving everyone's butt!

 

(I now almost wish Solas had a dialog option that goes like "...Oy! I'm doing your job for you! Me - the one may destroy this world ! Kindly up your game from now on, please  ")

 

I find it both hilarious, and at the same time great. If Trespasser is in any way symptomatic of what awaits us in the future, I probably shouldn't worry as much as I sometimes do.

 

On this note, I love that comeback of his if you accuse him of making you do his dirty work when it comes to the Qunari. He's just, ever so calmly, like "That was your problem to fix, bro. Should've been more aware. Oh, and you're welcome." 

[Eivuwan]

What we do know is that no one really disappears permanently after dying. Souls go to somewhere in the fade after people pass away in the real world. Maybe that's why Solas thought that destroying the world would be the lesser evil? Perhaps he thinks that if he kills everyone they would eventually be reborn into the new world. However, if he forgets about the ancient elves (probably lots of them trapped somewhere), then he is condemning a whole race of people to prison for eternity. And we know how much he hates the lack of freedom.

[dragondreamer]

EEEEWWW NO!!

KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!

 

*Gremlins gave me awful nightmares as a child*

 

Awww, Gizmo is cute.

 

But I admit Gremlins terrified me when I was a little kid. 

[Colonelkillabee]

I feel as if we'll metagame it as a new PC so we don't hurt Solas if we romanced or friended him as the Inquisitor.

Bah, where's the fun in that? Dramas for everyone!

 

Seriously, I know people sometimes tire of the emotional rollercoaster romances, but it's better than Varric going "Solas is dead, gotta go write a letter. Sadface." Quizzy should be there when he's either dead or redeemed, assuming that'll be a choice.

[Sable Rhapsody]

On this note, I love that comeback of his if you accuse him of making you do his dirty work when it comes to the Qunari. He's just, ever so calmly, like "That was your problem to fix, bro. Should've been more aware. Oh, and you're welcome." 

 

Well, he is sort of right  The qunari were after him too, but he clearly had no trouble with them.  But they were a huge problem for southern Thedas, which is the place that all of our quizzies are supposed to be defending.

 

Oops.