Exactly. He came to Cass and Leliana as a humble wanderer, offering help. He tries to deal with the anchor and fails, so he hopes the prisoner can be brought to the rift and seal it. That fails but people start to call them the chosen of Andraste. He takes immediate advantage of that. He shares knowledge of people and spirits and you begin to rely on him as a mentor and are fascinated by his tales. After Haven falls and the people bow and sing to you, he sees a chance to rise you up in power, knowing only you can defeat Corypheus. He lends you his old castle and you become the leader of an organization that strikes fear and hope in others.
Those slaves were taught to help him fight back against the false Gods and he himself said what we saw depicted not a complete truth, and he said he fought a rebellion that shed blood.
That's just it. Solas is playing his own version of the Game when we meet him. Using who he is to gain what he wants. By being himself, he earns trust and then teaches those who trust him to fight for his cause.
Well, he was being a mentor and supporter for real. What you describe as his own version of playing the Game is just how people work with people. It's the best way one can advance and help others advance in anything - support others, earn their trust, and use that trust, hopefully towards a cause that helps more than hurts people. From your original post it sounded like you thought this was manipulative, and I don't see it that way, but I might've misinterpreted.
Why does all this change? Because he spends over a year growing close to people and admiring them. "I will never forget this when it's over" he says. If romanced, he wants to throw it all away and be with the woman he loves. He becomes a friend to people he never saw as people and is then left with major conflict.
This is why he's such a great character! He went from the sneaky Dread Wolf persona he used to gain freedom for others to help them and help himself, into someone who actually wanted to help without gaining anything from it.
He always had good intentions, but he admits himself that he is not some saint or savior and not everything he did was from the good of his heart.
I never argued he's a saint, I've called him on his BS plently in the past. He's messed up in many ways and experiences a lot of peronal growth with a friendly/romanced Inquisitor. But his realtionship with the Inquisitor was never simply manipulation in his part. He put a lot of hope in the Inquisitor to help him fix a desperate situation.
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That's probably the top of the list. I can't imagine one being done seriously without Solas stopping halfway through and going 'nope, I seriously can't do this', because the two of them would probably be a bundle of tumultuous feels who'd likely be doing it as much out of comfort as out of passion. I reckon something devastating must have happened for them to consider throwing aside their prescribed roles for a night, and there'd probably be alcohol or the like involved in top of that, I couldn't imagine the two sleeping with each other now except out of reckless abandon. It couldn't be too political a tragedy - for instance, if the qunari managed to conquer most Thedas, as much as end-of-the-world sex seems like a nice option, I can't imagine either of them quitting the field where they're most needed right now, where they need to retreat and regroup and reorganise, for physical comforts. I can't think of a personal tragedy that would bring them together though :\
To write that in character would be a massive challenge, although the more I think about it, the more I believe it could be an interesting scenario. Oh Solas, even your sex scenes are feelsy
Or he'd pull a Fenris.
Well, he was being a mentor and supporter for real. What you describe as his own version of playing the Game is just how people work with people. It's the best way one can advance and help others advance in anything - support others, earn their trust, and use that trust, hopefully towards a cause that helps more than hurts people. From your original post it sounded like you thought this was manipulative, and I don't see it that way, but I might've misinterpreted.
I never argued he's a saint, I've called him on his BS plently in the past. He's messed up in many ways and experiences a lot of peronal growth with a friendly/romanced Inquisitor. But his realtionship with the Inquisitor was never simply manipulation in his part. He put a lot of hope in the Inquisitor to help him fix a desperate situation.
He had planned it to be in the beginning because he did not see us as people. That's what I think based on a low approval Solas in Trespasser. Yes he did not want people hurt and wanted to help, but his true goal was ending Corpyheus and he needed the Inquisitor, so even a punched Soals stays no matter what unlike a punched Dorian. High approval and love change everything. In fact I found low approval Solas is way more honest about his intentions than a high approval or in love one. Is it odd to say I like the low approval one more? Lol
Oh not you, he actually makes it seem like the PC is viewing him that way when they say they saw the truth. I wanted a option saying "I know you're not that great, but I get what you were trying to do" lol
That's probably the top of the list. I can't imagine one being done seriously without Solas stopping halfway through and going 'nope, I seriously can't do this', because the two of them would probably be a bundle of tumultuous feels who'd likely be doing it as much out of comfort as out of passion. I reckon something devastating must have happened for them to consider throwing aside their prescribed roles for a night, and there'd probably be alcohol or the like involved in top of that, I couldn't imagine the two sleeping with each other now except out of reckless abandon. It couldn't be too political a tragedy - for instance, if the qunari managed to conquer most Thedas, as much as end-of-the-world sex seems like a nice option, I can't imagine either of them quitting the field where they're most needed right now, where they need to retreat and regroup and reorganise, for physical comforts. I can't think of a personal tragedy that would bring them together though :\
To write that in character would be a massive challenge, although the more I think about it, the more I believe it could be an interesting scenario. Oh Solas, even your sex scenes are feelsy
I'm all for a feelsy sex scene! Anything less just wouldn't be Solasesque. I wasn't thinking giving up their respective causes for one night of bliss. That wouldn't make much sense...unless it was in the Fade...Anyway, I imagined it being post stopping him from dooming modern Thedas as a reward for sticking it out and putting up with the Hellspiral for 3, 4, or 5 years.
I'd love to end up being a spy and see what he's up to, but I have a feeling he's going to end up like Flemeth. Appearing and helping and leaving without us knowing as the PC what he's up to until the end.
It would be interesting though to see how he 'works' with people when he is the one who is leading/taking the decisions. He saw us as a leader under the title 'Inquisitor', I would like to see him under his title 'Dread Wolf' , but you are probably right
It would be interesting though to see how he 'works' with people when he is the one who is leading/taking the decisions. He saw us as a leader under the title 'Inquisitor', I would like to see him under his title 'Dread Wolf' , but you are probably right
Why not combine it? We spy on him, get in trouble and he saves us. Then it gets all cryptic like always and when we report back to the Inquisitor, they tell us his intentions. Then as we got through the game running into him, we decide whether to help him or defeat him based on the semi-relationship we end up forming with him. Like when we can "kill" Flemeth for Morrigan or pretend to do it, or kill the Arishok or let him leave.
That's probably the top of the list. I can't imagine one being done seriously without Solas stopping halfway through and going 'nope, I seriously can't do this', because the two of them would probably be a bundle of tumultuous feels who'd likely be doing it as much out of comfort as out of passion. I reckon something devastating must have happened for them to consider throwing aside their prescribed roles for a night, and there'd probably be alcohol or the like involved in top of that, I couldn't imagine the two sleeping with each other now except out of reckless abandon. It couldn't be too political a tragedy - for instance, if the qunari managed to conquer most Thedas, as much as end-of-the-world sex seems like a nice option, I can't imagine either of them quitting the field where they're most needed right now, where they need to retreat and regroup and reorganise, for physical comforts. I can't think of a personal tragedy that would bring them together though :\
To write that in character would be a massive challenge, although the more I think about it, the more I believe it could be an interesting scenario. Oh Solas, even your sex scenes are feelsy
If it does happen and if it happened before the end of the game, you would probably have a scene with him waking up and going "what have I done?!" Then he's going to look like a kicked puppy and leave you.
He had planned it to be in the beginning because he did not see us as people. That's what I think based on a low approval Solas in Trespasser. Yes he did not want people hurt and wanted to help, but his true goal was ending Corpyheus and he needed the Inquisitor, so even a punched Soals stays no matter what unlike a punched Dorian. High approval and love change everything. In fact I found low approval Solas is way more honest about his intentions than a high approval or in love one. Is it odd to say I like the low approval one more? Lol
He had planned nothing in the beginning, because from what he says his plans were thrown into chaos. He had no plans and he was desperate.
In time, he did develop plans. However, in time, in parallel with that, he also had the chance to develop a relationship with the Inquisitor.
So...why does Solas want a friend/romanced quizzy to stop him? He clearly does still want to help his people. He clearly thinks something is wrong with Thedas as it stands, so some part of him must want to succeed. Is it guilt? Does he feel, like Anders, that if he's punished and suffers for what he does, that'll somehow make it more ok? Or maybe it's part of an even longer con; maybe he's counting on quizzy to try and come up with a solution that he can't see.
A solution he can't see? Maybe. He comments to a friended/romanced IQ that they've proven him wrong before, and earlier in the game how they aren't predictable. A rivaled IQ views the world in a completely different way, so even then they are providing an antithesis, by opposing him.
Or maybe he just wants to see what the IQ will do without the anchor. If it was just the achor that made them "real" all along then that should change with it gone.
Maybe guilt. He knows he's going through with the plan anyway, but by at least giving someone the chance to stop him, he can comfort himself by thinking he gave this world a chance first. He seems to be big on that sort of thing. He'll give you a chance to save yourself and walk away before he turns you to stone. How generous.
Or maybe he just says that because he knows it's inevitable the IQ will fight him and he's just giving in to fate. He knows the IQ will try no matter what.
He had planned nothing in the beginning, because from what he says his plans were thrown into chaos. He had no plans and he was desperate.
In time, he did develop plans. However, in time, in parallel with that, he also had the chance to develop a relationship with the Inquisitor.
Exactly. I'm saying when he first saw the Herald as a chance to fix things, he had planned to use them. That changed.
Especially when they would talk with him at Haven and share his views and flirt, etc... at first glance they were not people and tranquil to him, so he felt no need to develop anything with them and would simply nudge them like Flemeth does with history.
I'm all for a feelsy sex scene! Anything less just wouldn't be Solasesque. I wasn't thinking giving up their respective causes for one night of bliss. I imagined it being post stopping him from dooming modern Thedas...you know as a reward for sticking it out and putting up with the Hellspiral for 3, 4, or 5 years.
I'm honestly having a hard time imagining what their relationship would look like assuming both of them survive the coming storm, and Solas's redemption arc is complete. That's still not the end of the hellspiral; now Lavellan has to reconcile with someone who has been mentor and betrayer, lover and opponent. It would take a while, I think, and the relationship would be fundamentally different from how it was before.
Conversation would be a little awkward too
Solas: Another elven artifact! I did not think any had survived the war.
Lavellan: The same artifacts that you had me hunting? The same ones you used as part of your plan?
I am imagining what would happen if a romanced Lavellan chose to kill Solas in the end. I think it's going to be like the kiss and anchor removal scene except Lavellan would be kissing Solas while murder knifing him.
I'm honestly having a hard time imagining what their relationship would look like assuming both of them survive the coming storm, and Solas's redemption arc is complete. That's still not the end of the hellspiral; now Lavellan has to reconcile with someone who has been mentor and betrayer, lover and opponent. It would take a while, I think, and the relationship would be fundamentally different from how it was before.
Conversation would be a little awkward too
Solas: Another elven artifact! I did not think any had survived the war.
Lavellan: The same artifacts that you had me hunting? The same ones you used as part of your plan?
Solas: ...ah. Yes.
*uncomfortable silence*
I would be really pissed if they leave it open ended. For example, they could have Lavellan and Solas looking at each out and then the scene ends. (This happens too much in movies.)
I'm honestly having a hard time imagining what their relationship would look like assuming both of them survive the coming storm, and Solas's redemption arc is complete. That's still not the end of the hellspiral; now Lavellan has to reconcile with someone who has been mentor and betrayer, lover and opponent. It would take a while, I think, and the relationship would be fundamentally different from how it was before.
Conversation would be a little awkward too
Solas: Another elven artifact! I did not think any had survived the war.
Lavellan: The same artifacts that you had me hunting? The same ones you used as part of your plan?
I'm honestly having a hard time imagining what their relationship would look like assuming both of them survive the coming storm, and Solas's redemption arc is complete. That's still not the end of the hellspiral; now Lavellan has to reconcile with someone who has been mentor and betrayer, lover and opponent. It would take a while, I think, and the relationship would be fundamentally different from how it was before.
Conversation would be a little awkward too
Solas: Another elven artifact! I did not think any had survived the war.
Lavellan: The same artifacts that you had me hunting? The same ones you used as part of your plan?
Solas: ...ah. Yes.
*uncomfortable silence*
Well, Solas was never my Lavellan's mentor, nor does she really feel he betrayed her. She doesn't even think of him as an opponent. Everyone else does, but she doesn't. She does feel foolish for taking so long to realize his true motives and identity (a bit like Lois Lane), but she is more sad for him than she is angry at him. She firmly believes everything can be set right if she works hard enough and finds the key to changing The Dread Wolf's heart. She might be just a bit naive and sentimental. The relationship would be different; it would be better. There would be no secrets. Solas would know that Lavellan loves him for all that he is, with all his faults. I'd much rather have a sex scene in this situation than back after All New Faded for Her when Lavellan was still in the dark about everything.
I'm honestly having a hard time imagining what their relationship would look like assuming both of them survive the coming storm, and Solas's redemption arc is complete. That's still not the end of the hellspiral; now Lavellan has to reconcile with someone who has been mentor and betrayer, lover and opponent. It would take a while, I think, and the relationship would be fundamentally different from how it was before.
The relationship changed the moment he decided to end it. And Solas knew it will change even more when the truth about him being Fen'Harel is revealed, which is likely why he looks/sounds both so fearful and resigned while acknowledging that now she knows the truth. He knows that this will be an ordeal for them both and one he doesn't expect their love to survive (or him and likely her for that matter - at least in some way) - so yes, the relationship in many ways will be different. Will it be full of awkward silences and time for fixing stuff? Eh, it depends how things will go and then end.
Hello my friends! I was bored so I decided to go onto Solas’s banter page and pull out all the snarky comments between him and our companions. It’s a lot more than I thought but I decided to keep going anyway and give my own commentary!
Spoiler
Blackwall: Skyhold. How did you find it?
Solas: I looked.
Blackwall: Now you sound like Cole. You looked?
Solas: This world is full of wonders for those who seek them.
Yeah Solas, I’m sure you had to look real hard
Cassandra: Solas, have you always lived alone? Out in the wilderness, as an apostate?
Solas: For the most part.
Cassandra: Would that not be incredibly trying?
Solas: People can be trying, mankind most of all.
Cassandra: That... is an excellent point.
For you and me both
Dorian: Do you use spirits as servants, Solas? You'd have no trouble capturing them.
Solas: No. They are intelligent, living creatures. Binding them against their will is reprehensible.
Dorian: How much "will" do they have? They're amorphous constructs of the Fade.
Solas: Hmm
Dorian: There's no harm putting them to constructive use, and most mages back home treat them well.
Solas: And any that show any magical talent are freed, are they not?
Dorian: What? Spirits don't have magical talent.
Solas: Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about your slaves
*Wipes tears away*
Dorian: Solas, that little flare you sometimes do with your staff... You're redirecting ambient energy to your personal aura?
Solas: Yes. The effect clears magical energy and creates a minor randomized barrier to impair incoming magic.
Dorian: Fascinating. It's a Tevinter technique. I've never seen anyone in this part of the world do it.
Solas: The technique is not Tevinter. It is elven.
Dorian: Oh! That means we... never mind, then.
Solas: But do go on about the wonders of Tevinter magic.
Aw, stop giving Dorian a hard time!
Dorian: Solas, for what it's worth, I'm sorry.
Dorian: The elven city of Arlathan sounds like a magical place, and for my ancestors to have destroyed it...
Solas: Dorian... hush.
Solas: Empires rise and fall. Arlathan was no more "innocent" than your own Tevinter in its time.
Solas: Your nostalgia for the ancient elves, however romanticized, is pointless.
Solas: If you wish to make amends for past transgressions, free the slaves of all races who live in Tevinter today.
Dorian: I... don't know that I can do that.
Solas: Then how sorry are you?
Solas shushes Dorian like a child and calls him out!
Dorian: I can't believe you entered the Fade. Physically.
Solas: You think that is an achievement of which to be proud?
Dorian: It's the second time that's been done in all of history. That's not nothing, Solas.
Solas: In all of human history.
Dorian: The Fade is still a mystery to us humans, yes. Probably always will be.
Solas: Perhaps it's best it remain that way.
Because the Elvhen used their power sooo responsibly!
Dorian: Ah, Solas. You startled me. You're always so... nondescript.
Solas: Please speak up! I cannot hear you over your outfit!
Haha, buuurrrnn!
Solas: Iron Bull. I understand that among your people, you are... what is the term?
Iron Bull: Ben-Hassrath. Secret police. Spies, basically.
Solas: You spied upon your own people.
Iron Bull: Is that so different from Orlais or Ferelden? They have all kinds of people policing them.
Solas: What they say and do, yes. Not what they think.
Iron Bull: What you think is what you say and do.
Solas: No. Even the lowliest peasant may find freedom in the safety of her thoughts. You take even that.
You tell him!
Solas: Surely, even you see, Iron Bull, that freedom is preferable to mindless obedience to the Qun.
Iron Bull: How so? Last I checked, our mages weren't burning down Par Vollen.
Solas: You think Orlais and Ferelden would be better off under Qunari rule?
Iron Bull: Not really my call. I think most people everywhere have a system that works for 'em.
Iron Bull: When that breaks, you fix it. Like we're doing now.
Solas: Do not equivocate. Would we or would we not be better under the Qun?
Iron Bull: It's not that simple, Solas.
Solas: It absolutely is.
Is it just me or there something a bit hypocritical about Solas saying this?
Iron Bull: Alright, Solas, been thinking. You wanna know how this place would be if the Qunari took charge?
Iron Bull: Orlais, Ferelden, all of it would be healthier under the Qun.
Iron Bull: But the war to make that happen? That'd be ugly. A lot of good people would die.
Iron Bull: So I'm not hoping it happens. There! You happy?
Solas: Happy? No. Quite the opposite.
Iron Bull: Oh, come on. I said I didn't want us to invade you!
Solas: No. You said this world would be brighter if all thinking individuals were stripped of individuality.
Solas: You only lack the will to get more blood on your hands.
Ah, the parallels
Iron Bull: So, you going to let me have it, Solas? Or do I get to wait and wonder.
Solas: What do you mean?
Iron Bull: We've got the alliance with my people. Given how much you love the Qun, I figured...
Solas: I might scold you? Berate you for your decisions?
Iron Bull:Hey. The Chargers died as heroes for the good of the mission.
Solas: I never said otherwise.
Solas: The truth is, Iron Bull, you are Qunari. I cannot be disappointed in your decisions.
Solas: As a mindless, soulless drone, you could never make any.
Ouch
Solas: Have you ever had any interest in learning magic, Sera?
Sera: Get off?
Solas: While it has not manifested naturally, there are ways to determine whether arcane gifts lie dormant within you.
Sera: What? Don't make me think about that. I have to sleep at night!
Solas: Sleeping would give you the chance to explore the Fade. I could introduce you to spirits.
Sera: Right, you're messing with me on purpose!
Solas: Why would I do that? It is not as though I know who filled my bedroll with lizards.
Sera: Heh. Fair point! That was pretty good.
Haha Solas knows how to push your buttons
Solas: Sera, I notice that in a recent fight, you killed someone I was already dealing with.
Sera: You were doing it too slow.
Solas: Just to be clear. You wish me to manipulate the delicate balance of the primordial energy of the Fade... faster.
Sera: You're not making it worse. It's bad enough you people do that at all!
XD
Varric: So here we are, elf, cleaning up another human mess.
Sera (if in party): Who you calling elfy, jackhole?
Varric: Not you, other elf.
Solas: What would the Inquisition do without our stabilizing influence, Master Tethras?
Varric: I assume they'd just start burning things.
Solas: That does sound like most humans I know.
Cassandra (if in party): If you gentlemen are quite finished?
Varric: Now, now, don't get touchy. We're just here to lend you simple humans our help.
Solas: Before you cause everything to explode.
Varric: Again.
Haha, poor Cassandra
Varric: You really spend most of your time in the Fade?
Solas: As much as is possible. The Fade contains a wealth of knowledge for those who know where to look.
Varric: Sure, but I don't know how you dream, let alone wander around in there.
Varric: Especially when the **** that comes out of the Fade generally seems pretty cranky.
Solas: So are humans, but we continue to interact with them... when we must.
Dats racist Solas
Vivienne: So, an apostate?
Solas: That is correct, Enchanter. I did not train in your Circle.
Vivienne: Well, dear, I hope you can take care of yourself, should we encounter anything outside your experience.
Solas: I will try, in my own fumbling way, to learn from how you helped seal the rifts at Haven.
Solas: Ah, wait. My memory misleads me. You were not there.
Buuuuurrrrnnnn!
Vivienne: You know, Solas, you do an excellent job of spellcasting without any concrete knowledge of technique.
Solas: Your rigorous training lays a solid foundation, true. It also creates boundaries, limits, where none need exist.
Vivienne: I do prefer to have boundaries between myself and the demons, my dear.
Solas: Of course. You endured the Harrowing, where your Circle teaches you that all demons attempt to possess you.
Vivienne: Not at all! Many of them simply want to kill you. I suppose you would claim otherwise.
Solas: Why should I? You would not believe me. You have learned your lessons all too well.
Some people just don’t want to open their minds to new possibilities…
Solas: Do you require a mana cleansing to remove the residual energies on your staff?
Vivienne: The Circle’s training in energy modulation is thorough. I sincerely doubt you could add anything.
Solas: So you intend for your staff to carry that particular aura?
Vivienne: Is that a problem, my dear?
Solas: No, no. As you were.
Hah. Mage snark.
Vivienne: Solas darling, if you wish instruction in proper magical attacks, do let me know.
Solas: I will. Perhaps you will direct me to a Circle mage who does not front-load her barriers?
Haha. More mage snark
Solas: The fact that I, an apostate, have not been enslaved by demons must be quite vexing, Enchanter.
Vivienne: Not at all, darling. You clearly have an exceptional gift for the Fade.
Solas: You flatter me.
Vivienne: I'm far more surprised you haven't been murdered by terrified villagers wielding pitchforks.
Solas: Yes, packing all the mages into towers and threatening them with Templars certainly kept them safe.
Vivienne: It did, until a rogue apostate destroyed Kirkwall's Chantry and started a fight most mages did not want.
Solas: Your Circle was a tightly clamped lid on a boiling pot. It held for a while, and, unless you looked inside, it all seemed fine. And everyone feigned surprise when it finally burst.
ANDERS!
Vivienne: You must be pleased, apostate. Your rebels have won the favor of the Inquisition.
Or
Vivienne: You must be pleased, apostate. With the Templars dissolved, your rebels will be most difficult to pacify.
Solas: My rebels? Am I an agent for their cause, whispering poison into the Inquisition's ears?
Solas: How comforting.
Vivienne: You enjoy seeing yourself as a villain?
Solas: No more than any other clever man who wonders what he could do if pushed.
Solas: But I meant you, Enchanter. How comforting it must be for you to see a traitor helping the rebels from within.
Solas: You need never concern yourself with the possibility that your Circle was wrong.
And Vivienne doesn’t love to see herself as the villainJ?
Solas: Do enjoy this time, Enchanter. You may miss your freedom when you lock yourself back up in some tower.
Vivienne: Imprisonment is largely a matter of who holds the keys.
Solas: You so often come out on top. You play the political games brilliantly.
Vivienne: A compliment? Although you speak it as a curse.
Solas: You could use those skills to improve the lives of your fellow mages. Instead you have done nothing, save consolidate your own power.
Vivienne: What if keeping my power might in fact improve the lives of my fellow mages?
Solas: You honestly believe the world is better off with you setting its course?
Vivienne: I need not be in spotlight. But after watching others try and fail, why should I not have a turn?
Solas: Then Enchanter, I leave you with the greatest curse of my people. Dirthara-ma.
Vivienne: What rustic elven curse is that, apostate?
Solas: May you learn.
Solas really doesn’t like Vivienne…
Solas: Your position in the Orlesian court must be frustrating, Enchanter.
Vivienne: Darling, I have no idea what you might be implying.
Solas: With your magic you are kept at arm's length, never able to play the Game to its fullest. Some part of you must always wonder if you could have gone farther had you not been a mage.
Vivienne: Don't be absurd. Without magic, I doubt the Orlesian court would have interest in me at all.
Solas: That must rankle as well.
Hahaha XD double buuuurrrnnn
Vivienne: I do hope you were not mistaken for a servant at the Winter Palace, Solas.
Solas: Such mistakes are opportunities in disguise. Nobles say things around servants they would never say to Cassandra, or the Inquisitor.
Vivienne: Yes, anyone who wishes to play the Game learns to use her servants effectively. Although I am surprised to see an elven apostate catch on so quickly.
Solas: My apologies. I shall try to live down to your expectations.
Solas got the last word
Snark directed at Solas and Cole’s accidental snark!
Vivienne: You should not encourage that thing.
Cole: Solas is not a thing.
Solas: Well said.
Haha, I would have loved to have seen Vivienne’s expression!
Solas: I am surprised you do not practice blood magic, Dorian. Is it not popular in Tevinter?
Dorian: While we're sharing surprises, you've done a lot less dancing naked in the moonlight than expected.
Solas: Tevinter lore about elves remains accurate as always.
Dorian: I wanted to see you make flowers bloom with your song, just once.
I’d like to see it too Dorian! Also, this reminds me of a Zevran and Oghren banter J
Dorian: Solas, what's this whole look of yours about?
Solas: I'm sorry?
Dorian: No, that outfit is sorry. What are you supposed to be, some kind of woodsman?
Dorian: Is it a Dalish thing? Don't you dislike the Dalish? Or is it some kind of statement?
Solas: No.
Dorian: Well, it says "apostate hobo" to me.
(if Vivienne is in the party)
Vivienne: Unwashed apostate hobo, more specifically.
Don’t gang up on Solas! I like his hoboish looks!
Dorian: Let me get this straight, Solas.
Dorian: You're an apostate - neither Dalish nor city elf - who lived alone in the woods studying spirits.
Solas: Is that a problem for you?
Dorian: No, no. You're a special and unique snowflake. Live the dream.
Hehehe you don’t know the half of it Dorian
Solas: Your magical skill is impressive, Dorian.
Dorian: You're not the first to say so.
Solas: Would you not conserve magical energy with a less... flashy... style, however?
Dorian: Yes, and I'd live longer if I only ate rice and boiled vegetables, but that's just as unlikely.
^.^
Iron Bull: Tell me something, Solas. Do you think the servants here are happier then the people living under the Qun in Par Vollen?
Solas: It doesn't matter if they are happy, it matters that they may choose!
Iron Bull: Choose? Choose what? Whether to do their work or get tossed onto the street to starve?
Solas: Yes! If a Ferelden servant decides that his life goal is to... become a poet, he can follow that dream!
Solas: It may be difficult, and he might fail. But the whole of society is not aligned to oppose him!
Iron Bull: Sure, and good for him. How many servants actually go do that, though?
Solas: Almost none! What does that matter?
Solas: Your Qun would crush the brilliant few for the mediocre many!
Iron Bull: And then people feel like crap for failing.
Iron Bull: When the truth is, the deck was stacked against them anyway.
I’m giving this one to Bull. Solas had good points, but Bull’s last line is very powerful
Solas: Ar dirthan'as ir elgara, ma'sula e'var vhenan.
Sera: Pppbbthh!
Solas: Excuse me?
Sera: Excuse yourself. Whatever you said and what I did, same difference to me.
Solas: I'd hoped, well, our people can sometimes feel the rhythm of the language despite lacking the vocabulary.
Sera: Uh huh? Know what else is good? Words that mean things. Like these. Words.
Solas: Fenedhis lasa.
Sera: Pppbbthh!
You can’t argue with Sera
Solas: Our people used to be here.
Sera: Pfft, you say that everywhere.
Solas: It is more true than you want to believe.
Sera: I bet, right? Who wants to think about stepping on dead elves.
Solas: Din elvhen emma him?
Sera: Oh, you felt that one.
I shouldn’t laugh, but Solas’s reaction XD
Sera:(Belches, then laughs.) Hey Solas, how do you say "excuse me" in elven or whatever?
Solas: For you, it would be "ara seranna-ma." It is a coincidence that your name is within, the base for is common.
Sera: Thanks. Now when I don't say it, you'll know it's on purpose.
Sera and Oghren would get along well!
Solas: Do you ever miss life beneath the earth? The call of the Stone?
Varric: Nah. Whatever the Stone - capital S - is, it was gone by the time my parents had me.
Solas: But... do you miss it?
Varric: How could I miss what I never had?
Varric: But say I did have that sense, that connection to the Stone. What would it cost me?
Varric: Would I lose my friends up here? Would I stop telling stories?
Varric: I like who I am. If I want to hear songs, I'll go to a tavern.
Solas: You are wiser than most.
Yeah he is Solas, so heed his advice!
Varric: What's with you and the doom stuff? Are you always this cheery or is the hole in the sky getting to you?
Solas: I've no idea what you mean.
Varric: All the "fallen empire" crap you go on about. What's so great about empires anyway?
Varric: So we lost the Deep Roads, and Orzammar's too proud to ask for help. So what? We're not Orzammar and we're not our empire.
Varric: There are tens of thousands of us living up here in the sunlight now, and it's not that bad.
Varric: Life goes on. It's just different than it used to be.
Solas: And you have no concept of what that difference cost you.
Varric: Oh I know what it didn't cost me. I'm still here, even after all those thaigs fell.
Solas: You truly are content to sit in the sun, never wondering what you could've been, never fighting back?
Varric: Ha, you've got it all wrong, Chuckles. This is fighting back.
Solas: How does passively accepting your fate constitute a fight?
Varric: In that story of yours—the fisherman watching the stars, dying alone—you thought he gave up right?
Solas: Yes.
Varric: But he went on living. He lost everyone, but he still got up every morning. He made a life, even if it was alone.
Varric: That's the world. Everything you build, it tears down. Everything you've got, it takes—and it's gone forever.
Varric: The only choices you get are to lie down and die or keep going. He kept going. That's as close to beating the world as anyone gets.
Solas: Well said. Perhaps I was mistaken.
Solas really should listen to Varric and yes Solas, you are mistaken.
Vivienne: I'm sure you know exactly what you're doing, Solas, but a word of advice?
Solas: Oh, I look forward to this. Go ahead, Enchanter.
Vivienne: You set your coattails on fire with that last spell.
Solas: Perhaps what you perceived was merely a figment of the Fade.
Vivienne: (Laughter) I would not claim your familiarity with the Fade, but I recognize fire when I see it, darling.
Solas: It did go out eventually. It was not worth mentioning.
Vivienne: Not for you, perhaps.
How embarrassing
Solas: Tell me, Enchanter. Do you even bother to explore the Fade in your dreams?
Vivienne: I prefer to explore the world I actually live in.
Solas: Pity. You could be much more powerful if you ventured outside your narrow preconceptions.
Vivienne: Ah, the temptation to leave the path. You sound like a pride demon.
Solas: Enchanter, any pride demon you met would just walk away, shaking its head and laughing uncontrollably.
Vivienne: Oh darling, more than one already has.
Viv gets this one for that awesome reply!
Vivienne: You must be disappointed, apostate. Your rebels have not found the freedom they hoped for.
Solas: I planted no seeds in your garden, Enchanter. You grew that fruit yourself.
Vivienne: And I will once again ensure they are protected from a world that hates and fears them.
Solas: While mages live in depravation you do not share? You lord their mystique over those not so gifted. Well played, Enchanter. In another age you might have ruled an empire.
Vivienne: You are too kind, my dear. But this age is still young
All hail Empress Vivienne!
Vivienne: So, apostate. If the Circle is such a failure, what would be your solution? Would you have your fellow mages live among the people, unguarded, unwatched?
Solas: Yes.
Vivienne: And when they became possessed, or use their power to harm?
Solas: I would kill them. Magic is more elegant than a blade or a bow, but a murderer remains a murderer.
Vivienne: So you alone would pass judgment, repay murder with murder, or do we open this up to mobs and vigilantes? If you're going to dispense judgment upon violent mages yourself, you'll need eternal life and omniscience. If only there were individuals dedicated to finding and eliminating such criminals. Perhaps they might help?
Solas: I am certain they would. Until black and white distinctions perverted their simple minds.
I’m giving it to Vivienne because Solas sort of side steps her question!
Solas: It was fascinating to observe you at the Winter Palace, Enchanter.
Vivienne: I am pleased that such engagements were enjoyable for everyone. Even those with no grasp of subtle, social interplay might enjoy the pagentry.
Solas: It is all pagentry, Enchanter.
Vivienne: Isn't everything?
Insulting Solas has become second nature to Madame de Fur
Vivienne: The Grey Warden mages must be an inspiration, Solas.
Vivienne: Free of the constraints of the Circle, they have shown that they need no oversight to guide themselves...
Vivienne: Ah, but then they behaved rather atrociously. What a pity.
Solas: I never claimed mages should be above the law, Enchanter.
Vivienne: No, darling. You merely implied it, while offering no viable suggestions for improvement.
Solas doesn’t ever give Vivienne a better option…
Varric: So, who do you think is the toughest: Josephine, Leliana, or Cassandra?
Cassandra: I'm right here, you know.
Varric: That doesn't rule you out, Seeker.
Solas: Cullen's not up for consideration?
Varric: Curly? They just keep him around to look pretty.
Not a Solas snark, but poor Cullen XD
It’s interesting rereading Solas’s banters. The writers really planned ahead with him and you can definitely tell. All his conversations seem to hold another deeper meaning now that Trespasser has revealed his plans (sort of). It’s a shame that the time spent with his companions didn’t have much of a noticeable impact on him.
Anyway, what’s your favorite banter, and why? What companion do you think has the best banters with Solas, be that the funniest or most meaningful? And whose relationship with Solas do you like the best (I feel like I should say excluding Cole, but just give your second favorite if he’s your first)? Ooooh, and who do you think Solas would get along the best with and the worst with in Origins, Awakening, and DA2!?
Can’t wait to see your answers
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I would be really pissed if they leave it open ended. For example, they could have Lavellan and Solas looking at each out and then the scene ends. (This happens too much in movies.)
What do you mean by open-ended? Barring the epilogues from Baldur's Gate 2, BioWare never specifies what happens between a PC and LI after their stories are over.
It was a difficult, strenuous situation for their all - and the game over card and future in Redcliffe only support the fact that Inquisitor was the only person in Thedas (well, at least that part of Thedas) that had a chance to do anything about the crisis with the Breach and Corypheus. There was not so much 'playing' as there was desperation and risk. Yes, Solas nudged many things his own way, but ultimately he made Inkys stand on their own (especially liked ones) as much as any other circumstances and those in power did.
When you thank him and tell him in Trespasser that you couldn't have done everything without his help, he says something like how the credit is misplaced and everything you did, you earned. That's very typical Solas though. He nudges, but ultimately lets others act...for better or worse.
What do you mean by open-ended? Barring the epilogues from Baldur's Gate 2, BioWare never specifies what happens between a PC and LI after their stories are over.
Like you don't even know if they got together in the end or not.
Normally, I recruit companions as soon as I'm able to. Can you still recruit companions like Vivienne, Sera, Iron Bull, and Blackwall *after* you get to Skyhold? Or do you have to get them before?
Normally, I recruit companions as soon as I'm able to. Can you still recruit companions like Vivienne, Sera, Iron Bull, and Blackwall *after* you get to Skyhold? Or do you have to get them before?
No. In my first PT I've decided to wait with Sera's recruitment, because for some reason I couldn't ind the red thingy needed to push her recruitment quest further - too late after arriving to Skyhold I realized that her quest was no longer among active quests in the journal
Normally, I recruit companions as soon as I'm able to. Can you still recruit companions like Vivienne, Sera, Iron Bull, and Blackwall *after* you get to Skyhold? Or do you have to get them before?
I have never tried this.. however I can't see why not. Hinterlands/Val Royeaux are still there after all. But maybe someone knows the proper answer to that.
EDIT: Midnight Tea beat me to it
I have one last funny SS/vignette here, and I'm going to bed cause it's getting late here
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Anything less just wouldn't be Solasesque. I wasn't thinking giving up their respective causes for one night of bliss. That wouldn't make much sense...unless it was in the Fade...Anyway, I imagined it being post stopping him from dooming modern Thedas as a reward for sticking it out and putting up with the Hellspiral for 3, 4, or 5 years. 
, but you are probably right
The relationship would be different; it would be better. There would be no secrets. Solas would know that Lavellan loves him for all that he is, with all his faults. I'd much rather have a sex scene in this situation than back after All New Faded for Her when Lavellan was still in the dark about everything. 
but I decided to keep going anyway and give my own commentary!
