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[RynJ]

It would have been awesome to see what Solas and Fenris made of each other. I see a rocky relationship, with Solas trying to connect with Fenris and Fenris just not having it with all the magey, spirity business, and it evolving into grudging acceptance of each other. Solas might make comments about slavery about which Fenris may get touchy because on the surface, of course it doesn't seem like Solas would know anything about that unless you knew who he really is. Then again, Solas can be quite astute when he wants to be, and he must be used to speaking with former slaves after everything. He might just know the right things to say on that topic to not make Fenris blow up at him. 

[S.W.]

But what does destroying the chantry and starting a mage templer war has to do with bringing down the veil?

 

A few things:

1. The cause for mage freedom suits Solas. His aim is to re-introduce magic into the world as a fundamental part of being. If most of Thedas believe mages should be locked away in cages, then that doesn't bode well - even if Solas wants to re-introduce magic violently, and not by changing minds, he probably needs some support amongst modern elves (especially if he's building an army), so in that case, an elven apostate can't seem like too absurd an option for modern elves to turn to as a leader. Furthermore, he can operate as a mage much more openly now that the circles have been dissolved and apostates are common - if they hadn't, he'd likely have been under Templar guard for the whole of Inquisition, or operated in absolute secrecy.

2. Solas likely benefits from political instability in general. In desperate times, people will generally look towards the margins and not the established authority. Particularly, the already-downtrodden will find their conditions worsening, and will probably turn to a rebellious force more quickly. Enter some mystical ancient elven force which many had thought dead forever, who is actively welcoming all elves to the cause - like, I imagine many servants and city elves would jump at that. Political instability also provides a suitable distraction under which Solas is able to operate.

 

This is the guy that would destroy the whole world if it would further his cause. I doubt he'd be put off by a chantry if he felt it necessary. The emphasis would be on 'necessary' here - Solas probably takes pains to ensure he limits how much blood he has on his hands, and regrets that he has to turn to violence, but if he has to, he probably wouldn't hesitate. I don't know whether Solas would look upon Anders' actions as necessary - he'd probably admire his resolve, and agree that the chantry had to give way somehow, but he'd quite possibly consider it a grievous waste of life that possibly didn't have to happen.

[dragondreamer]

I've wondered if Solas could possibly remove Fenris' "vallaslin", that lyrium won't be good for him in the long term.

[NeverlandHunter]

It would have been awesome to see what Solas and Fenris made of each other. I see a rocky relationship, with Solas trying to connect with Fenris and Fenris just not having it with all the magey, spirity business, and it evolving into grudging acceptance of each other. Solas might make comments about slavery about which Fenris may get touchy because on the surface, of course it doesn't seem like Solas would know anything about that unless you knew who he really is. Then again, Solas can be quite astute when he wants to be, and he must be used to speaking with former slaves after everything. He might just know the right things to say on that topic to not make Fenris blow up at him. 

I think they'd form some type of mutual respect

Lol. Can you imagine humorous Hawke with Solas? It would be glorious!

[NeverlandHunter]

I've wondered if Solas could possibly remove Fenris' "vallaslin", that lyrium won't be good for him in the long term.

I doubt it would work the same way...

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and now I have a Fenris and Solas Crestwood scene playing out in my head XD

[dragondreamer]

I doubt it would work the same way...

...

and now I have a Fenris and Solas Crestwood scene playing out in my head XD

 

Don't know, regular vallaslin is simply blood and ink.  And we know what lyrium is.  It's a possibility.  Probably won't happen, but I worry about Fenris.

[myahele]

we also have to keep in mind that Solas barely considers the rest of the modern thedosian as people and that opinion was even less/lower years ago

[RynJ]

I think they'd form some type of mutual respect

Lol. Can you imagine humorous Hawke with Solas? It would be glorious!

 

I think Solas would like humorous Hawke. He does appreciate when you make snarky comments and he has some sassy humor of his own! 

 

He and Merrill would have great interactions. I imagine Solas might know a thing or two about fixing eluvians, so it would be interesting to see him sitting there watching Merrill and her clan wreck themselves over Merrill trying to fix it. On top of everything, Merrill is determined to fix the eluvian because she's so determined to make things better for her people by reclaiming what they've lost, and she's suffering in the process. Suffering in a futile attempt to reclaim what Solas is directly responsible for, and massively guilty over, them losing. I don't know if Solas could even handle Merrill, I can see him trying to distance himself from her, or even using her to steel his resolve towards his duty. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

I doubt it would work the same way...

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and now I have a Fenris and Solas Crestwood scene playing out in my head XD

 

Fenris: I thought Dalish tattoos honored their gods.

Solas: No.  They are slave markings, or at least they were in the time of ancient Arlathan.

Fenris: Oh?  You'll forgive me if I don't weep for them.

Solas: *slightly b*tchy sigh*  Point.  Missing it.

[midnight tea]

2. Solas likely benefits from political instability in general. In desperate times, people will generally look towards the margins and not the established authority. Particularly, the already-downtrodden will find their conditions worsening, and will probably turn to a rebellious force more quickly. Enter some mystical ancient elven force which many had thought dead forever, who is actively welcoming all elves to the cause - like, I imagine many servants and city elves would jump at that. Political instability also provides a suitable distraction under which Solas is able to operate.

 

 

If he benefits from political instability, then why throughout Inquisition and then - in Trespasser - he works to stabilize the South? He tells Inky straightforwardly - they should have at least a few years of relative peace.

 

I also have doubts whether Solas would be instigating an open conflict or war... Add to that the fact that it would likely completely doom elven Inquisitors, romanced Lavellans included - elves are rising against everyone else everywhere, and she alone stands against them? She'd be eaten by both sides in a jiffy, if her heart didn't break first out of sheer violence of internal conflict.

[Arvaarad]

I don't really understand why Cole is keeping secrets for Solas. As a spirit of compassion, I am sure he does not want the world to be destroyed. Unless... it is indeed true that Solas is right about how his plans are the best of all options.

 

Cole also thinks Briala and Celene should get back together.

 

Briala and Celene are pining for each other. Briala and Celene have been apart long enough that they're starting to paint over the things that didn't mesh. They're getting nostalgic for the good times and forgetting the bad. Eh, she murdered my parents? She murdered my people as soon as the weather turned? These things happen. She was intelligent and cunning and soft, and I liked waking up next to her. They think they would be happier together. Cole thinks so too.

 

Spirits are all about feelings and intentions, not about results. Good intentions can never have bad results, to a spirit. It's part of what made Justice so frustrating to deal with, so hard for Anders to control. Justice has no sense of time and no patience. There's injustice now, fix the injustice now. To the Void with the consequences.

 

Solas believes, deeply, that what he's doing is right. That what he's doing is ultimately a kindness. Cole thinks so too. Cole only becomes conflicted when more people learn of Solas' plans, and they start to have feelings about it. There's more pain coming - but he only said that at the end, after more people knew. For a romanced Solas, Cole starts sensing problems a little earlier, because Solas began to have doubts of his own.

[NeverlandHunter]

Don't know, regular vallaslin is simply blood and ink.  And we know what lyrium is.  It's a possibility.  Probably won't happen, but I worry about Fenris.

Don't worry! Hawke to the rescue!

*Goes to Tevinter to help Fenris remove the lyrium and chaos insues*

Fenris: Hawke

Hawke: Yes Fenris?

Fenris: How is it you manage to attract so much attention and vicious hatred?

Hawke: My unstoppable wit and charming personality of course!

Fenris: Of course

[Cee]

 

The farther South in Europe you go, the more darker tones appear, naturally. It's correlated with exposure to the sun

 

I have been told my great grandfather was an Austrian redhead with green eyes but considering I'm mostly a blend of Puerto Rican with southern Italian and that bit of Austrian/central European that snuck in somewhere on my mother's side, it's probably not surprising that I am an olive-skinned person with dark hair and eyes. Light olive, like someone just poured milk into a cup of fresh black tea.
 

[S.W.]

If he benefits from political instability, then why throughout Inquisition and then - in Trespasser - he works to stabilize the South? He tells Inky straightforwardly - they should have at least a few years of relative peace.

 

I also have doubts whether Solas would be instigating an open conflict or war... Add to that the fact that it would likely completely doom elven Inquisitors, romanced Lavellans included - elves are rising against everyone else everywhere, and she alone stands against them? She'd be eaten by both sides in a jiffy, if her heart didn't break first out of sheer violence of internal conflict.

 

At first, the primary goal of DA:I is to seal the breach and stop Corypheus, which he is 100% on board with - 'bringing order' is just something that those actions likely entail. If Solas is going to tear down the veil, he's going to do it correctly and not let some magister lord it about with delusions of godhood whilst he's there.

 

His opinion then changes over the course of Inquisition. He begins to view gremlins as possibly-people. He sympathises with them and doesn't want them to die painfully, if they have to die. I doubt he'd be so callous now.

[RynJ]

Don't know, regular vallaslin is simply blood and ink.  And we know what lyrium is.  It's a possibility.  Probably won't happen, but I worry about Fenris.

 

At the very least if Solas could remove them, he probably would have had he been in the DA2 party. If Fenris would trust him with it. 

 

It also begs the question of what vallaslin originally were, and if they were something more potent back in Ye Olde Elvhenan. 

[dragondreamer]

Don't worry! Hawke to the rescue!

*Goes to Tevinter to help Fenris remove the lyrium and chaos insues*

Fenris: Hawke

Hawke: Yes Fenris?

Fenris: How is it you manage to attract so much attention and vicious hatred?

Hawke: My unstoppable wit and charming personality of course!

Fenris: Of course

 

My Hawke is dead.

 

 

At the very least if Solas could remove them, he probably would have had he been in the DA2 party. If Fenris would trust him with it. 

 

It also begs the question of what vallaslin originally were, and if they were something more potent back in Ye Olde Elvhenan. 

 

I used to theorize it was something used to magically control elves in ancient times...  Wasn't entirely off the mark.  Still might be something to that, depending on where Danarius got the idea.

[S.W.]

I think Solas would like humorous Hawke. He does appreciate when you make snarky comments and he has some sassy humor of his own! 

 

He and Merrill would have great interactions. I imagine Solas might know a thing or two about fixing eluvians, so it would be interesting to see him sitting there watching Merrill and her clan wreck themselves over Merrill trying to fix it. On top of everything, Merrill is determined to fix the eluvian because she's so determined to make things better for her people by reclaiming what they've lost, and she's suffering in the process. Suffering in a futile attempt to reclaim what Solas is directly responsible for, and massively guilty over, them losing. I don't know if Solas could even handle Merrill, I can see him trying to distance himself from her, or even using her to steel his resolve towards his duty. 

 

Yeah, I reckon he could get along well with Merrill too. He'd appreciate the fact that she's left her clan behind and is attempting to tread her own path - and likely, he'd encourage her along that route. He'd appreciate the amount of work she's put in to restore a piece of the past, although probably question about how that will help the people's future. He'd probably poke her on her slight disdain for city elves, and how she barely talks to anyone else in the alienage, causing her to question who she's fighting for. He'd get her motives and if he opened up enough to her, could actually be a valuable support for her. Her arc could hit too close to home, like you say, because he's partially responsible for leaving the elves in such a mess.

 

 

edit: TOP. Have a "Is that a serious question?" egg.

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[NeverlandHunter]

My Hawke is dead.

 

 

 

I used to theorize it was something used to magically control elves in ancient times...  Wasn't entirely off the mark.  Still might be something to that, depending on where Danarius got the idea.

Hawke isn't dead!! It never says Hawke dies, or shows their body, so that means they live!!!

[FernRain]

Oh and Cee I saw you said your birthday was tomorrow (now today?), so happy birthday!

 

And thanks Midnight, I had wondered if it came in from the south or even somewhere like Lithuania / Russia (my mind seems to tell me Russians are fair skinned with dark eyes..).

[dragondreamer]

Hawke isn't dead!! It never says Hawke dies, or shows their body, so that means they live!!!

 

Pretty sure dead as a doornail sorta dead.  Cole even says something about the Hawk flying away and that he's dead.  If he were still alive, I figure Cole would know.

[NeverlandHunter]

Pretty sure dead as a doornail sorta dead.  Cole even says something about the Hawk flying away and that he's dead.  If he were still alive, I figure Cole would know.

*Clutches ears*

Nahnahnah I'm not listening!

 

 

What does Cole say though?

 

HAWKE LIVES I SAY!

[GoldenGail3]

Hawke isn't dead!! It never says Hawke dies, or shows their body, so that means they live!!!

I hope Hawke is dead, it's been two years!

[dragondreamer]

*Clutches ears*

Nahnahnah I'm not listening!

 

 

What does Cole say though?

 

HAWKE LIVES I SAY!

 

Cole: Voices sing, but the hawk has flown away and cannot hear them. Standing by the door. Legs stuck. I shouldn't be here.

 

(If Bethany is still alive)

Cole: Where is his sister? Is she crying? Can she breathe? I couldn't breathe. Pain twists, but for which one?

Cassandra: I knew the story more than the man/woman.

Cole: It isn't your fault he/she died.

Cassandra: Perhaps not. Sometimes knowing that isn't enough.

Cole: Can you know it more?

Cassandra: Be easy, Cole. I will be fine.

 

[GoldenGail3]

Kudos for effort. I've been lazy as of late.

[Cee]

Oh and Cee I saw you said your birthday was tomorrow (now today?), so happy birthday!

 

And thanks Midnight, I had wondered if it came in from the south or even somewhere like Lithuania / Russia (my mind seems to tell me Russians are fair skinned with dark eyes..).

 

Yes, thanks

 

Most Russians I know are fair with blue or green eyes.