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[Sable Rhapsody]

Watch it turn out to be the most ridiculous elvhen festival in Ages. Like, a f**k it all, it's the end kind of party.

 

And that party ends up fueling the release of the Evanuris.

 

Oh, yeah.

 

The Eldar in Warhammer 40k (basically space elves) orgied a greater Chaos God into existence.  Let's one-up them and go for seven psychotic gods!  There is no way this can go wrong

 

I know we're probably not gonna get it considering Solas's plans, but for once, I'd like to see the modern elves when something is going right for them.  Maybe an Arlathvhen, or a Dalish wedding, or just a slice of normal life without something awful happening to them.  I get it, BioWare, their lives suck.  I've had three games and a few novels to figure that out, thanks 

[Cee]

Interesting ChuChu!

 

Is it the cooler colours that reflect light better, giving them the ability to seemingly change in different light? Mine change from more green to brown, maybe it's because the green in them is a "cold" tone.

 

They're like this (not mine, from the eye colour wiki page):

 

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My boyfriend's eyes are sort of like this. They're green with a hazel center, so they shift sometimes from looking more hazel but if he wears certain things or in certain light, they look very green.
 

[MayriyaNoori]

The Eldar in Warhammer 40k (basically space elves) orgied a greater Chaos God into existence.  Let's one-up them and go for seven psychotic gods!  There is no way this can go wrong

 

I know we're probably not gonna get it considering Solas's plans, but for once, I'd like to see the modern elves when something is going right for them.  Maybe an Arlathvhen, or a Dalish wedding, or just a slice of normal life without something awful happening to them.  I get it, BioWare, their lives suck.  I've had three games and a few novels to figure that out, thanks 

Hey, maybe the elves will be lucky and it's 7 psychotics that work in their favor.

 

I still say if we can find the Dread Wold adorkable, the others must have had their charm as well.

 

Except Ghilan'nain.

 

Just nope.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I wonder if the all-encompassing rage I sometimes see about Solas is because it kind of points out you didn't have total agency over the events and lives of others in DAI. 

 

Oh, definitely.  It goes back to this notion that the PC always has to be the specialest snowflake who is in full control of his/her actions and their impact on the world.  A notion, which under any scrutiny, is really daft.

 

We don't demand that of our book and movie heroes.  In fact, we'd probably say it was unrealistic if other fictional protagonists were as Teflon-coated as video game heroes.  But we demand it of game heroes.  Especially in Western RPGs, where we define their personalities and most of their actions.  So if the PC didn't have total agency thanks to Solas, neither did the player, and some players take that very personally.

 

Similar situation with Anders back in DA2, though in that case, I can understand the anger better.  There's no realistic way for quizzy to stop Solas from doing his thing in DA:I, so whatever.  But there were a number of perfectly reasonable actions Hawke could have taken against Anders, all of which were badly handwaved away.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Except Ghilan'nain.

 

Just nope.

 

I love Franken-Ghilly.  Partially for how she makes my skin crawl, but mostly for how completely she subverts the purity imagery.  The beautiful, graceful Halla-Mother with snowy white hair is in fact the most despicable of the Evanuris, with no moral scruples to speak of.  Brilliant

[cleosilver]

Wat

We're the Solas thread, is there anybody here wanting him to destroy the world?

 

 

 

 

Errrm. Maayyyybeeeee.

 

I know I have a Lavellan that is seriously thinking he may have a point. But then she thinks the elves are currently dying anyway. She sees the city elves as humans with pointy ears ( blame Sera, since she's the one Aithne has had the most contact with) and the Dalish are like the ruins in the Emerald Graves. Shattered fragments of a world built on nothing more than ghosts of broken dreams.  If there's a way to restore everything they lost then maybe the sacrifice could be worth it. She doesn't really like the humans much anyway. She got really irritated that they kept insisting the anchor was from one of their religious icons when she believed that if it was from any god it was one of hers. She was right

[S.W.]

So a few pages ago we were wondering what Solas would make of previous companions, and I found a wonderful fanfiction which does exactly that with the Kirkwall crew. It's called By The Still Waters, and involves Fenris & co. storming the fade to get Hawke back (at which point, a familiar Fade Nerd comes back into the picture to help them out). If you haven't read it, I highly recommend it. The characterisation is wonderful. Read it if only for Solas and Merrill being massive elfy dorks.
 
 
Also HAPPY BIRTHDAY CEE here's a suitably frilly cake

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[Sable Rhapsody]

We already experienced a world without the Veil. I'm not sure if I want to see that happen, unless he can remove all the demons without killing people and that's highly unlikely.

 

He probably knows what he's doing better than Corypheus.  Cory just let the Breach grow out of control, and that doesn't sound like what Solas wants to do.  IMO it's the difference between an expert defusing a bomb, and an amateur blowing himself up while trying

[maia0407]

Oh, definitely.  It goes back to this notion that the PC always has to be the specialest snowflake who is in full control of his/her actions and their impact on the world.  A notion, which under any scrutiny, is really daft.

 

We don't demand that of our book and movie heroes.  In fact, we'd probably say it was unrealistic if other fictional protagonists were as Teflon-coated as video game heroes.  But we demand it of game heroes.  Especially in Western RPGs, where we define their personalities and most of their actions.  So if the PC didn't have total agency thanks to Solas, neither did the player, and some players take that very personally.

 

Similar situation with Anders back in DA2, though in that case, I can understand the anger better.  There's no realistic way for quizzy to stop Solas from doing his thing in DA:I, so whatever.  But there were a number of perfectly reasonable actions Hawke could have taken against Anders, all of which were badly handwaved away.

Way off the subject here but your post made me think of something that been on the back of my mind regarding Solas. Don't ask how my train of thought took me from your post to this as it's a twisty weird path.

 

So, I agree people do seem to demand perfection from their heroes. Solas catches a lot of flack for his plans having unintended consequences. He created the veil to save his people from the Evanuris and to prevent the Evanuris from destroying the world. It doesn't sound like he had any good alternatives to putting up the veil. And his plan worked in that he did prevent the world from being destroyed; unfortunately, he didn't save his people. I sort of get tired of hearing about what a failure he is when he appears to be the only one that actually did something to prevent catastrophe. He didn't foresee the effect his choices would have on the ancient elves and I don't know what he could have done differently if he had known the consequences. It sounds like inaction would have lead to everyone's death.

 

I think we might be in a similar situation in present day Thedas in that he's trying to prevent a worse catastrophe from happening. I have to give him credit for being a person that acts in a crisis. If not, there might be no one left to criticize the consequences.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Too bad the current Solas couldn't have been thrown into the future with Dorian. His future self saw a world he might accidentally make himself if he does not do it right (and we know how well all his other plans have succeeded ), but in the present he refuses to hear what we saw.

 

Probably because he doesn't want to think about it.  If he spent enough time thinking about all the horrific ways in which bringing down the Veil could go wrong, he might lose his nerve, independent of what he thinks about quizzy and modern Thedas.

 

 

So, I agree people do seem to demand perfection from their heroes. Solas catches a lot of flack for his plans having unintended consequences. He created the veil to save his people from the Evanuris and to prevent the Evanuris from destroying the world. It doesn't sound like he had any good alternatives to putting up the veil. And his plan worked in that he did prevent the world from being destroyed; unfortunately, he didn't save his people. I sort of get tired of hearing about what a failure he is when he appears to be the only one that actually did something to prevent catastrophe. He didn't foresee the effect his choices would have on the ancient elves and I don't know what he could have done differently if he had known the consequences. It sounds like inaction would have lead to everyone's death.

 

I think we might be in a similar situation in present day Thedas in that he's trying to prevent a worse catastrophe from happening. I have to give him credit for being a person that acts in a crisis. If not, there might be no one left to criticize the consequences.

 

That's true, and while I make fun of him for being the God of Bad Ideas, I don't think there's any way to do the stuff he does, on the scale he does, without having horrible unintended consequences.  Which may be the whole point.  By all means, change the world.  Take action.  But understand that you have limits, and if you want to transcend them, you need help from others.  

[Sifr]

Could you imagine the facebook posts from Lavellan though?

 

Relationship Status : It's complicated

 

Posted 3 new pictures : Me without vallaslin. It would like it more if my boyfriend hadn't broken up with me on the same day.

 

Then, 2 years later :

 

Saw ex for the first time in two years. He says he wants to end the world Why do I have such rotten luck in love!!!!1!?

 

The emotional rollercoaster that Solas puts Lavellan through reminds me of this Bill Bailey song;

 

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[Cee]

I'm not going to applaud or condemn Solas until he actually does what he plans to do.

 

I'm waiting for the inevitable missing pieces that we still need. We have Solas' side. We have what has come before. We don't know about the process. Even Solas himself doesn't really say so with certainty. He says things like probably. 

 

I'm looking forward to continuing this journey in whatever way it comes, but there's still so much we don't know yet. Solas' plan, if what he's trying to do will actually result in what he thinks will likely happen, well, it's not pretty. But we'll see, and there is hope.
 

I've found that after posting about Solas in a different thread (the thread wasn't even on Solas.  It was on Bull but I couldn't just let it go when I saw someone make a completely unessessary for their argument dig at Solas).  Attempting to explain why I understood what Solas was doing (and pointing out that if Solas was the player character then we wouldn't even think twice about doing it) apparently means I support his actions and will happily excuse them :I

 

Illyria: Solas apologist

[Uirebhiril]

I'm a bit divided on the whole future-without-the-Veil thing we saw during In Hushed Whispers. I was under the impression that the way Corypheus breached the Veil was the "wrong" way to do it, and that causing spirits to be pulled through turned them into demons and so on. I though someone had even said as much at some point. But if the Veil was taken down "properly" then you wouldn't have armies of demons and an apocalyptic looking world. Especially since it's hard to imagine that's how things looked when elves and spirits frolicked in ages past.

 

So... either things were bad during IHW because it was done wrong, or the world really will be that way with the Veil gone and this is not something Solas knows will absolutely happen. What divides me is how he says the world is an abomination and should never come to pass, so was he aware at that point things would be really bad, or were they just really bad because how it was done...?

 

(And yes some will automatically be all YES IT'S BAD AND SOLAS IS DUMB AND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING, but I want to consider this a bit more logically than "ha ha bad god decisions" being the only answer.)

 

And wait wait... what about when the magisters initially broke into the Fade? How'd that go? Why did that not eat the world with demons and bad stuff?

[Sable Rhapsody]

That's what I thought too. He refused to hear how wrong it would all be and if Sandal's correct and it does happen, we will be fighting a demon army of our own in future games plus crazy powerful mages once depicted as gods.

 

Lavellan: ...so yeah.  That's the backstory for why the world is ending.  Have fun being the new protagonist!

DA4 PC: Lady, your boyfriend sucks.

Lavellan: I know.  Haven't you been listening for the last four hours?

DA4 PC: Know anyone with huge guns?

Lavellan: ...I may have ticked off the qunari too.

DA4 PC:  I quit.  Find another sucker to save the f***ing world.

[Cee]

Watch it turn out to be the most ridiculous elvhen festival in Ages. Like, a f**k it all, it's the end kind of party.

 

And that party ends up fueling the release of the Evanuris.

 

Oh, yeah.

 

This post makes me think of the Zion party in The Matrix Reloaded

 

 

[Moondreamer01]

Way off the subject here but your post made me think of something that been on the back of my mind regarding Solas. Don't ask how my train of thought took me from your post to this as it's a twisty weird path.

 

So, I agree people do seem to demand perfection from their heroes. Solas catches a lot of flack for his plans having unintended consequences. He created the veil to save his people from the Evanuris and to prevent the Evanuris from destroying the world. It doesn't sound like he had any good alternatives to putting up the veil. And his plan worked in that he did prevent the world from being destroyed; unfortunately, he didn't save his people. I sort of get tired of hearing about what a failure he is when he appears to be the only one that actually did something to prevent catastrophe. He didn't foresee the effect his choices would have on the ancient elves and I don't know what he could have done differently if he had known the consequences. It sounds like inaction would have lead to everyone's death.

 

I think we might be in a similar situation in present day Thedas in that he's trying to prevent a worse catastrophe from happening. I have to give him credit for being a person that acts in a crisis. If not, there might be no one left to criticize the consequences.

What's even sadder to think about is that he might well have known what would happen once he put up the veil (as far as cutting off part of the Empire that is. I don't think he could have predicted the complete fall of elvhenan and the current situation of elves in modern Thedas). Solas is an intelligent man and seems to have an extensive knowledge of the fade. I don't see how he didn't at least consider what the consequences of his act might be. But, in spite of this, he believed (and still believes) that it was the only viable solution to the problem the evanuris presented. A bad solution in a sea of even worse ones.

[Cee]

I still rage a bit when I think about Jacob Taylor. Or the Illusive Man. But that's less to do with the characters and more about bad writing.

IMO BioWare writes characters well enough where I come to like most of them, given a little time and thought.

 

Jacob. I feel so bad for those who romanced him. I recently warned someone away from this, especially because I knew how she feels about representation and diversity issues and just how wrong they got it with Jacob. She responded grateful for fangirl solidarity.
 

[maia0407]

 

And wait wait... what about when the magisters initially broke into the Fade? How'd that go? Why did that not eat the world with demons and bad stuff?

 

Didn't the magisters use blood magic and sacrifice a lot of slaves to get into the fade? I'm a bit confused on that part as Solas says blood magic makes it harder to get into the fade. Maybe the blood magic is part of the reason things went so wrong?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Didn't the magisters use blood magic and sacrifice a lot of slaves to get into the fade? I'm a bit confused on that part as Solas says blood magic makes it harder to get into the fade. Maybe the blood magic is part of the reason things went so wrong?

 

Yeah, I'm fuzzy on this too.  Unfortunately the only people to ask are the magisters themselves.  We exploded one, and the other seems to have lost his memory.  At least as of Awakening, the Architect seems to have no clue about his past.

 

The Canticle of Silence talks a little about what the magisters were up to, but not how the magic to enter the Black City actually worked.