It's to bring back the world that Solas destroyed. It's to remove the Veil and heal Thedas, and let the elven race return to the world as it was originally meant to be, not existing in the hellish near-Tranquil state that Solas perceives.
When a broken bone heals crooked you have to rebreak it in order to make it heal straight.
So, I was replaying Trespasser (finally) mostly to hear Cole's party banters this time but also to see if I could withstand the emotional beating, ha. Anyway, after you follow the Viddasala through the eluvian right after the Darvaarad, Cole says (I'm paraphrasing) : "Solas doesn't want to hurt people. He's not that kind of wolf." Then, shortly after, he says something like: "He must be nearby. He can't be far from her, or it hurts him." Maybe I'm just having a major brain fart, but he can't be far from WHOM, exactly? The Inquisitor? Or the Viddasala? Is this referring to the mark? To the romance? Sorry, sometimes lore stuff flies right over my head. Can someone explain this line? I've only played through on my Solasmancing Inquisitor so I don't know if this line has a pronoun swap for male inquisitors, which would make it a bit clearer...
I think the line was about Saarath and how he's not able to be too far from Vidasalla without experiencing pain, probably because of some kind of control method the Qunari use to keep the Saarebas under control. In every scene Saarath and Vidasalla appear in together he's never too far away from her and is the one who always goes through the Eluvians with her.
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I've seen far more Anders fans saying what he did was right and wishing they could've joined him than Solas fans saying that about Solas. Okay, so Trespasser has been out a lot less time but social media is also much bigger than it was back in DA2's day.
Hmm, I romanced both and I can't really say I view the two situations as being exactly the same. First of all we don't know nearly enough about Solas' plan, so just taking it at face value, I can't see any reason to support it. I do sometimes wonder if Solas is Bioware's answer to Anders though. They are pretty different characters, and have different motives for their actions...Solas isn't doing this out of a sense of justice or retribution, but more out of a sense of duty and protection for his people. Anders wanted mage freedom and fought templars. Solas fought mage kings and essentially tranquilized his own people. They both opposed slavery. But it just kind of seems like...beware any dragon age companion that comes taking to you about freedom, especially if they are a mage... I'm noticing a pattern, lol.
I love the back-and-forth idea of something like this. Had the Inquisitor not disrupted the ritual, Corypheus would have succeeded. Possibly. Not sure if the massive explosion would have happened that way, or if he'd have already figured things out and would have been the one thrown into the Fade with the anchor.
But, in that event, he would have been in the Fade and could have gotten all up to the Black City again. What might he have found there? What could he truly have unleashed? How bad would this have affected the world?
So if you look at it... Corypheus could have succeeded and gotten into the Fade and royally crapped things up for the world. Corypheus could have died, Solas could have recovered the orb and gone into the Fade and possibly crapped things up for the world. Inquisitor ends up going into the Fade and then spends time trying to solve all the crappy things in a world that barely seems to be fighting against its destructive tide. Who is really the villain and who the hero at this point?
Actually, nothing might have happened. He already brought the blight to the world. What else is at the city apart from the taint? The only danger I could think of is if the elven gods are imprisioned inside the black city. And if Corypheus accidentally released them... well, then **** would get pretty real for Thedas. If Solas can turn you into stone with a blink, imagine what a dozen of people like him could do if they were set loose.
Do you think possession was rare during the time before the Veil? Solas never gives Vivienne a good answer for how he'd deal with it so I assume he never had to before, or at least not on a large scale.
I don't think possession was even a valid concept during the time before the Veil. It's like asking what time it was before the Big Bang.
Possession is what happens when a spirit overthrows a body. But from the spirit lovers codex in the Shattered Library, we learn that spirits could form and unform bodies. Everyone was a spirit. Everyone also had the potential to be a body. There wasn't a dichotomy between the spirits and the physical world, and so no concept of possession.
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It's to bring back the world that Solas destroyed. It's to remove the Veil and heal Thedas, and let the elven race return to the world as it was originally meant to be, not existing in the hellish near-Tranquil state that Solas perceives.
That's what I thought. I thought that when Solas said the whole reason he's doing all this is to help restore the modern elves' lost magic, immortality, and connection to the Fade, he meant he's doing this to help modern elves (as well as the ancients). I thought when he said he doesn't personally use blood magic, he meant he doesn't use blood magic. Since he said he's doing this to help the modern elves, when he says, "The return of my people means the end of yours," I thought he meant it symbolically; "the end of your people's culture / way of life."
Yet apparently everyone throws that out the window and seems to believe that removing the Veil will only benefit the ancients, and that Solas might be accepting modern elven followers just to use them as blood sacrifices to remove the Veil to restore a world he has no intention of letting them benefit from (letting them burn with the rest of the world in the "raw chaos").
I can expect that conjecture from Solas haters, but not supposed Solas fans here.
Since we (apparently) think that only the already-ancient elves will benefit from this plan, that means Solas only intends to trick the modern elves into volunteering for sacrifice-fodder for a blood magic ritual to recreate a world he has no intention of letting them benefit from?
Wow... we must really think Solas is an unconscionable monster.
If that winds up being the case, count me (and my Lavellan) on Team Murder Egg.
That's what I thought. I thought that when Solas said the whole reason he's doing all this is to help restore the modern elves' lost magic, immortality, and connection to the Fade, he meant he's doing this to help modern elves (as well as the ancients). I thought when he said he doesn't personally use blood magic, he meant he doesn't use blood magic. Since he said he's doing this to help the modern elves, when he says, "The return of my people means the end of yours," he meant it symbolically; "the end of your people's culture / way of life."
Yet apparently everyone throws that out the window and seems to believe that removing the Veil will only benefit the ancients, and that Solas might be accepting modern elven followers just to use them as blood sacrifices to remove the Veil to restore a world he has no intention of letting them benefit from (letting them burn with the rest of the world in the "raw chaos").
I can expect that conjecture from Solas haters, but not supposed Solas fans here.
Then why would Solas deny the chance for a romanced Inquisitor to join them if it wouldn't mean suicide?
As for Solas' recruits... who says that he's lying to them? Martyrdom is very common among those who feel like they have nothing to lose, and I could look at any number of devoutly religious people who'd be willing to die to bring God's kingdom to Earth.
I'm waiting for the inevitable missing pieces that we still need. We have Solas' side. We have what has come before. We don't know about the process. Even Solas himself doesn't really say so with certainty. He says things like probably.
I'm looking forward to continuing this journey in whatever way it comes, but there's still so much we don't know yet. Solas' plan, if what he's trying to do will actually result in what he thinks will likely happen, well, it's not pretty. But we'll see, and there is hope.
Actually, nothing might have happened. He already brought the blight to the world. What else is at the city apart from the taint? The only danger I could think of is if the elven gods are imprisioned inside the black city. And if Corypheus accidentally released them... well, then **** would get pretty real for Thedas. If Solas can turn you into stone with a blink, imagine what a dozen of people like him could do if they were set loose.
Precisely. Maybe the gods aren't locked there, maybe an already blighted creature would have been just fine. Or maybe it would have really made **** hit the fan. What's funny is that wouldn't have been what Corypheus wanted. He wanted to be a god for the world, and maybe he wouldn't have been a good one, but I don't see him as wanting massive death and destruction either. But if he had accidentally released the Evanuris, or some other bad thing? It's again with the back and forth of action and consequences. Intentional or otherwise.
I think the line was about Saarath and how he's not able to be too far from Vidasalla without experiencing pain, probably because of some kind of control method the Qunari use to keep the Saarebas under control. In every scene Saarath and Vidasalla appear in together he's never too far away from her and is the one who always goes through the Eluvians with her.
Thank you!! That makes more sense. The last "he" Cole referred to was Solas, so I missed the sudden topic change. Goddamnit, Cole.
I've recently discovered (am really late to the party) The Walking Dead and head over heels for Michonne and Daryl Dixon, goodbye Solas it was fun while it lasted
If that winds up being the case, count me (and my Lavellan) on Team Murder Egg.
Yeah, I doubt just about anyone would go along with the idea of "kill all the elves that are my people in a massive blood magic ritual but I'll love you anyway." Except maybe for those players who have a Sera-type character. Plays an elf but hates elves and is perfectly content to see one form of genocide, but not another.
Which come to think of it also describes a lot of people that hate Solas. They have no problem wiping out elves. Dalish or otherwise. Funny that.
That's what I thought. I thought that when Solas said the whole reason he's doing all this is to help restore the modern elves' lost magic, immortality, and connection to the Fade, he meant he's doing this to help modern elves (as well as the ancients). I thought when he said he doesn't personally use blood magic, he meant he doesn't use blood magic. Since he said he's doing this to help the modern elves, when he says, "The return of my people means the end of yours," I thought he meant it symbolically; "the end of your people's culture / way of life."
Yet apparently everyone throws that out the window and seems to believe that removing the Veil will only benefit the ancients, and that Solas might be accepting modern elven followers just to use them as blood sacrifices to remove the Veil to restore a world he has no intention of letting them benefit from (letting them burn with the rest of the world in the "raw chaos").
I can expect that conjecture from Solas haters, but not supposed Solas fans here.
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We don't know. We don't know the details of his plans, and we don't know what he means by ending this world. He talks about people dying in comfort as though they would actually die for his new world. He could mean it symbolically, but at this point, IMO one conjecture is as good as any other?
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Nah, I think the elves are gathering to join Solas because they're tired of living under human boots, not because they want to bear their throats for a mass elven blood-sacrifice ritual. If they wanted to do that, they could go to Tevinter.
I feel like we're all guessing this stuff on the assumption that when Solas says, "The return of my people means the end of yours," he means it literally, as in he fully intends to let the modern elves fry along with the other races when the Veil is removed, and only the dozen or so ancient elves who slept through the formation of the Veil will benefit. Since we (apparently) think that only the already-ancient elves will benefit from this plan, that means Solas only intends to trick the modern elves into volunteering for sacrifice-fodder for a blood magic ritual to recreate a world he has no intention of letting them benefit from?
Wow... we must really think Solas is an unconscionable monster.
How can he be a monster when the elves would willingly do this for the greater good of their people? If a Lavellan can ask to join, why not them? I could see them wanting to help and offering themselves and him hesitatingly accepting if there's no other way.
If that winds up being the case, count me (and my Lavellan) on Team Murder Egg.
But... never mind.
Then why would Solas deny the chance for a romanced Inquisitor to join them if it wouldn't mean suicide?
As for Solas' recruits... who says that he's lying to them? Martyrdom is very common among those who feel like they have nothing to lose, and I could look at any number of devoutly religious people who'd be willing to die to bring God's kingdom to Earth.
Solas tells a romanced Inquisitor that part of the reason he doesn't want her to join him is because he doesn't want her to see what he'll become (considering Solas is implied to be the one who killed Felassan in TME, it's he can have a very ruthless streak and dark side he feels that Lavellan is best not seeing), and another reason is that only death awaits him down that path, and he doesn't want her to be dragged with.
But I don't see the elves joining him because they have nothing to lose; rather, they have something to gain. In DA2, many elves joined the Qunari because they were looking for a better life; yet other elves felt it was better to remain with humans and retain their community and culture than lose even that to the Qun. After Trespasser, the elves leave for Fen'Harel even if the PC made many strides for elves' rights. I think it's more likely that they would join because they felt Fen'Harel was offering them a better life than the ones humans offer ("you do all the work and make all the sacrifices, and I'll reap all the benefits"), than to offer them a "noble" sacrifice that neither they nor their people (family, friends, community) will ever benefit from. (They might as well stay with humans in that case; humans are good about using them but then not letting them reap the fruits of their labor.)
But that's not the point I'm trying to make. I don't think it's in Solas' character to claim he's restoring this world to help modern elves, but then turn around and only use modern elves as blood sacrifices to restore the ancient world only for "already ancient elves" to enjoy. That's Evanuris stuff, but not Solas (for all his many faults.) Yet, apparently everyone else does. I don't get it.
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I've recently discovered (am really late to the party) The Walking Dead and head over heels for Michonne and Daryl Dixon, goodbye Solas it was fun while it lasted
Love that show! Well the later seasons are starting to drag but I still watch.
Yeah, I doubt just about anyone would go along with the idea of "kill all the elves that are my people in a massive blood magic ritual but I'll love you anyway." Except maybe for those players who have a Sera-type character. Plays an elf but hates elves and is perfectly content to see one form of genocide, but not another.
Which come to think of it also describes a lot of people that hate Solas. They have no problem wiping out elves. Dalish or otherwise. Funny that.
Edited for a bit of clarity.
I actually get kind of disturbed by the attitude of a lot of DA fans towards to the elves. What makes people hate a fictionalised oppressed group that much?
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Solas tells a romanced Inquisitor that part of the reason he doesn't want her to join him is because he doesn't want her to see what he'll become (considering Solas is implied to be the one who killed Felassan in TME, it's he can have a very ruthless streak and dark side he feels that Lavellan is best not seeing), and another reason is that only death awaits him down that path, and he doesn't want her to be dragged with.
But I don't see the elves joining him because they have nothing to lose; rather, they have something to gain. In DA2, many elves joined the Qunari because they were looking for a better life; yet other elves felt it was better to remain with humans and retain their community and culture than lose even that to the Qun. After Trespasser, the elves leave for Fen'Harel even if the PC made many strides for elves' rights. I think it's more likely that they would join because they felt Fen'Harel was offering them a better life than the ones humans offer ("you do all the work and make all the sacrifices, and I'll reap all the benefits"), than to offer them a "noble" sacrifice that neither they nor their people (family, friends, community) will ever benefit from. (They might as well stay with humans in that case; humans are good about using them but then not letting them reap the fruits of their labor.)
But that's not the point I'm trying to make. I don't think it's in Solas' character to claim he's restoring this world to help modern elves, but then turn around and only use modern elves as blood sacrifices to restore the ancient world only for "already ancient elves" to enjoy. That's Evanuris stuff, but not Solas (for all his many faults.) Yet, apparently everyone else does. I don't get it.
I haven't romanced Solas, but that does change the tenor, so hmm.
But that's not the point I'm trying to make. I don't think it's in Solas' character to claim he's restoring this world to help modern elves, but then turn around and only use modern elves as blood sacrifices to restore the ancient world only for "already ancient elves" to enjoy. That's Evanuris stuff, but not Solas (for all his many faults.) Yet, apparently everyone else does. I don't get it.
It's a possibility. No one's saying that's what he'll do, or what he has to do, or that it's ok, or in-character, or...whatever. It's just speculation that's being tossed around, same as all the other speculation we've been doing. We are, I hope, still allowed to speculate about potential bad outcomes as well as good ones? Or is that getting tossed on Ave's list of things the thread can't have?
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In the middle without the mod there is violetish color that blends to greyish blue. That picture of ''grey'' eyes you sent looks like ice blue in my eyes. For me grey eyes are like this:
and blue is this (I would know cause I have greyishblue eyes with green in the middle lol)
I would say his eyes are very light grey blue so depending on the light the color changes but I would still go a bit more for blue instead of grey and the middle is yes indeed more purplish. I will see if I can have a better picture taken of his eyes without mods
*just got back, catching up with the thread*
Just a thing you have to keep in mind mind (this is a small lesson for everyone about color perception, so it's worth sharing, I think) - look at the difference in the lighting.
The photographs of grey eyes you've pasted are taken in a well-lit room, full of neutral-colored light (done that way specifically to take a shot of the eye/face) - this is NOT something that happens in any of the screenshots (except for the fist one, that is relatively well lit, but still nowhere as well as the photographs).
It's natural for the eyes - well, everything, really - to slightly change color depending on light reflected on it, or more precisely: to look like a different color (good example of it: http://www.stanproko...ected_light.jpg) - in case of his eyes, the 'purplish' color is mostly visible during sunset, the blueish during night, when the light falling on them is respectively more purplish/orange'ish and or blueish.
The tint belongs to ambient lighting, not the eyes themselves - but since Solas's eyes are of a very neutral color, they 'take in' color of environmental lighting more noticeably than others (clear green eyes, for example, would simply look a different shade of green in different lighting conditions).
Anyway, it's possible the difference in perception of the color in my case may stem from my training in visual arts - I've learned to mind the colors of environment and 'extract' the color of the actual thing, rather than rolling those two into one.
Just to add my two cents on Solas' future plans and what they mean for Thedas......I believe that he is speaking quite literally when he says "Doing so will most likely destroy your world."
Why?
Because his original plan was to lower the Veil from inside the Fade, probably because he guesses that is the best way for him to survive the rejoining of the two worlds. And he doesn't have to be in the Fade to lower it from what we see in the game. You have the Breach and whatnot so it must be possible to take away the Veil from either side. Not to mention the fact that clearly Solas constructed to Veil from the physical world, so in theory it can be deconstructed from there as well.
The only logical thought for me then is that Solas does expect full on burning chaos reigning down on Thedas and odds of survival are better if you are on the Fade side.
I also completely draw the line if Solas ends up sacraficing tons of modern elves to walk the Fade because at that point he truly is as bad as he claims the Evanuris to be.
It's a possibility. No one's saying that's what he'll do, or what he has to do, or that it's ok, or in-character, or...whatever. It's just speculation that's being tossed around, same as all the other speculation we've been doing. We are, I hope, still allowed to speculate about potential bad outcomes as well as good ones? Or is that getting tossed on Ave's list of things the thread can't have?
Solas obviously had no idea the Veil would do as much damage as it did. Yes he knew it would be bad, but I don't think he thought the world would be split in two and become a war zone with elves as slaves and mages imprisoned. He wants the world back before the Veil was created. If you listen to all the things the Archivist says, people suffered. Good people. Not just the Envanuris, but innocent people died because of him. He feels as if he alone is the reason Arlathan fell and is now a shadow of what it once was, and he's right in a way. He did partially cause it, but the elves discovered the Blight and that alone was already going to change the world for the worst.