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[Shari'El]

What do you mean, what does he say?

I wondered if that might be the case, since the Quizzy was able to survive being pulled into the raw fade physically, which seemed to perplex Solas an awful lot, but I'm assuming the IQ no longer has that ability now with the anchor gone. Or did she have it to begin with, and that was the reason she survived along with Cory in the first place?

 

The quote is

“You will survive this day, Inquisitor, and though I owed you an explanation, I will not give you tools to use against me.

[midnight tea]

Well Solas did say:

 

"Sometimes to achieve the world one desires, one must take regrettable measures"

 

Regrettable doesn't yet mean 'super extreme', especially that in Solas's case he seems to mourn every single person he has used, that at this point he's a pile of guilt and self-loathing. What's regrettable for him may then not be what's regrettable for others.

[Uirebhiril]

Weird random idea: Solas tells you everything that he does, and says he had plans for the Evanuris. What if you were that plan? You'll work to oppose him, and maybe in doing so help to set up the trap that will take care of the gods. It would be kind of devious and go along the lines with using people. Meanwhile people would be "FFS can you just tell us the truth and let us help you like normal people do??"

[Shari'El]

I think he meant the anchor would no longer kill them. That moment as they stood together would not end in their death from the anchor because he removed it. He won't tell them how he can be stopped before it happens (knowing the short time left before it happens you could stop him if he slipped up).

 

Maybe? I am uncertain, since the whole anchor killing you thing is not brought up until later and it's weird to have a line of dialogue referencing the fact Solas will save the Inquisitor, I mean what's the point of Solas saying "you are going to survive today so nah", especially if a player does not know that Solas is going to save them or that that the anchor would kill them for sure?

[Cee]

They did entirely too well with his face. Really.

Which makes me terrified if they put an elf LI in the next game. By then they will have mastered this whole Frostbite engine thing and I can see myself accidently breaking things on my desk at the sight of a new elvhen glory.

Doomed. Just doomed.

 

I guess I'm glad I'm not particularly drawn to elves.

[midnight tea]

I think he meant the anchor would no longer kill them. That moment as they stood together would not end in their death from the anchor because he removed it. He won't tell them why or what he's doing (knowing the short time left before it happens you could stop him if he slipped up).

 

I think so as well... but it still makes me somewhat suspicious that most of the time he says YOUR people, or THIS world will have to die  - he does say that he'd be able to save liked Inquisitor "... for now", but how long this 'now' lasts, or from what Inkys themselves may die is yet an unknown, but what I noticed is that nowhere in any dialogue options he says something akin of "you and your world/people have to die" or "you all may die" (including you, Inky).

[CapricornSun]

I guess I'm glad I'm not particularly drawn to elves.

 

I play elves, but when it comes to romances, my LI doesn't necessarily have to be an elf (my canon romances in the previous games have been Alistair and Anders, after all). I just have to see if their character jives with me and my PC and see if some sort of attraction to them develops whether they're an elf or not.

[LilithMB]

Weird random idea: Solas tells you everything that he does, and says he had plans for the Evanuris. What if you were that plan? You'll work to oppose him, and maybe in doing so help to set up the trap that will take care of the gods. It would be kind of devious and go along the lines with using people. Meanwhile people would be "FFS can you just tell us the truth and let us help you like normal people do??"

that would mean that he would have had to have known that cory was going to get the orb, random non-person would interrupt cory, inqy wouldnt have died by the orb and that they would defeat cory and so on though. Plus inqy no longer has the anchor. Unless he plans to walk on both sides like before and try to trick the Evanuris again? But I doubt they would fall for it this time. And unless he somehow planned to use cory, but then he fully expected him to die when he unlocked it

[faeofthefellwood]

Ah hahahah. Watch them make you choose between your Inquisitor and Solas.

That would be rough, though my Lavellan would sacrifice herself for Solas (or anyone she loved) in a heartbeat. I've considered this possibility, and the only problem I see with it is that it gives Solas even less of an anchor to this world . . . he's lost so much already that he might just snap.

The possibility that scares me more would be if DA4 gets me all attached to a new protagonist and then makes me choose between him/her and Lavellan or Solas. I think Solavellan would still be my ultimate weakness in that case.

[Fen'Eira]

I think so as well... but it still makes me somewhat suspicious that most of the time he says YOUR people, or THIS world will have to die  - he does say that he'd be able to save liked Inquisitor "... for now", but how long this 'now' lasts, or from what Inkys themselves will die is yet an unknown, but what I noticed is that nowhere in any dialogue options he says something akin of "you and your world/people have to die" or "you all may die" (including you, Inky).

If the theory that he will use time magic, then the people of this world would die, but more heartbreaking for him is that the inquisitor would never had existed, never been born, because history changed.

[midnight tea]

His problem is he has as Sera put his head's crammed up a thousands years and the guy needs to get over it.

 

It may be hard to get over it, if people are still suffering from his actions - be it those he sundered from the Fade with the Veil or those "sleeping, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting" that Cole dug out from his head after he tries to inquire about his reasons for dumping Lavellan.

 

Even worse so if this world is really running out of time and he'd 'get over' what he's done, only to see the whole world ending, or becoming permanently corrupted, with no chance for restoration for anyone.

[Colonelkillabee]

If the theory that he will use time magic, then the people of this world would die, but more heartbreaking for him is that the inquisitor would never had existed, never been born, because history changed.

Isn't that whole theory based off of Solas simply saying "you've ever known"?

[Uirebhiril]

that would mean that he would have had to have known that cory was going to get the orb, random non-person would interrupt cory, inqy wouldnt have died by the orb and that they would defeat cory and so on though. Plus inqy no longer has the anchor. Unless he plans to walk on both sides like before and try to trick the Evanuris again? But I doubt they would fall for it this time. And unless he somehow planned to use cory, but then he fully expected him to die when he unlocked it

 

Yeah, but this is after everything has changed and he no longer has the orb. Whatever plans he had to start with really got blown out of the water when the orb got blown up, so he would have had to adjust them. I'd like to see a play on that same "use them against each other" thing, even if it isn't in this particular way.

[Shari'El]

Solas tells you he lured you to him to save you if you have better approval. He knew your time was almost up just as Cole did too. He removes the anchor just a bit too late though since your arm is already fading away from the meltdown. He stops the fading temporarily with his magic, but he knows that it's not going to save it, but by removing the anchor, he has stopped it from spreading and killing you.

 

Yes, he does.. But he tells you that after that line of dialogue, the part where you can ask him question is before the player knows the anchor will most definitely kill them or that Solas is going to save them.

Solas saying "you will survive today so nah" when answering that question is weird because the player hasn't even been confronted with the fact that they are going to die unless Solas removes the anchor. I suppose it could be it, but it's kind of bad writing in my eyes because the player can't connect his answer to the current circumstances yet.

The original question the Inquisitor asked was "why does this world have to die for the elves to return?"

[Cee]

I play elves, but when it comes to romances, my LI doesn't necessarily have to be an elf (my canon romances in the previous games have been Alistair and Anders, after all). I just have to see if their character jives with how I play my PC and see if some sort of attraction to them develops whether they're an elf or not.

Same for me, I just pick based on whoever sparks my interest and fits the character I'm playing. Solas is my first elven LI.  One of my friends always romances the elf. She noped out of the Solas romance when she found out though, and has decided to restart and do a Cullen fluffmance.

[midnight tea]

If the theory that he will use time magic, then the people of this world would die, but more heartbreaking for him is that the inquisitor would never had existed, never been born, because history changed.

 

Highly doubtful that he will use time magic - it's a new phenomenon, not really well understood and there's no telling if tampering with time will make things even worse.

 

I mean, if things are meant to be forgotten, than he'd indeed make everyone forget - we do know that Evanuris could make the whole Earth forget about something, or make Titans forget how to wake up, so the magic to extract or destroy memories is a type of magic Solas knows (and demonstrated that he can use it by making Cole selectively forget about his whereabouts). With that trick, going back in time would be unnecessary, because nobody will be remembering anything anyway.

[midnight tea]

Are they hurting because Cole senses it or is he sensing Solas' thoughts and Solas thinks they are suffering? I was never quite clear on that myself.

 

We also know the Crossroads will collapse soon. Time is running out.

 

We don't know when Crossroads will collapse. The Rift Mage Inquisitor's comment in Crossroads suggests that eventually that place will collapse on itself, but not necessarily soon (unless some magical events will speed up the deterioration).

[LilithMB]

Yeah, but this is after everything has changed and he no longer has the orb. Whatever plans he had to start with really got blown out of the water when the orb got blown up, so he would have had to adjust them. I'd like to see a play on that same "use them against each other" thing, even if it isn't in this particular way.

oh sorry I thought you meant before the inquistor got there hands on the orb. I can see him playing the Evanuris, if they get freed, and Inquisition/Thedas people off each other to distract them while he sets his plan in motion for sure.

[dawnstone]

 

As for Sollypoo, It depends on quite a bit. But if there was a way to redeem him and make his plan work without ending this world as we know it, I'd at least consider it. But this is giving me a really bad Mass Effect 3 vibe now.

 

Pick, red blue or green!

 

Red, kill Solas and lead to the doom of all elves.

 

Blue, merge with Solas, rule the new world as the dread wolf.

 

Green, sacrifice yourself so Solas can use your spirit to let all life survive new world order's transition. Everyone becomes an elf (Just glows green and gets pointy ears added.)

I haven't played any of the Mass Effect games, but yeah that sounds pretty lame. I know they have to limit the number of variables so that they can continue the plot for the next installment, but that seems way too simplistic.

 

The Divine said that the anchor is why she made it safely there. Like a needle and thread. When you stab a hole and pull the needle through (the anchor), the thread follows to the other side, and the thread is the Inquisitor. His surprise at their survival makes me think he thought we weren't strong enough to live in the Fade.

Yeah, he's really bad about predicting end results, oddly enough. There's something in the Canticle of Exaltations about passing through a fire that tempers (hardens, makes more resilient) your soul, I wonder if there's something more to that, since both Cole and Solas see something about your spirit that is unique.

 

That would be rough, though my Lavellan would sacrifice herself for Solas (or anyone she loved) in a heartbeat. I've considered this possibility, and the only problem I see with it is that it gives Solas even less of an anchor to this world . . . he's lost so much already that he might just snap.

The possibility that scares me more would be if DA4 gets me all attached to a new protagonist and then makes me choose between him/her and Lavellan or Solas. I think Solavellan would still be my ultimate weakness in that case.

I've seen it in a few fanfics already where Lavellan saves Solas because at Haven she promised to protect him no matter what. I live for that sort of cheesy drama.

[figment_]

Every time I see these posts talking about how "Everyone will die," I can't help but hear Felix's voice in my head saying "Everyone dies, father."

 

Not to trivialize anything that's being posted here or anyone's opinions, honestly...

 

Aside from the surviving ancient immortals, everyone in post-veil Thedas in it's current state will die sooner rather than later, from an immortal's perspective, of course...Still, I think Solas is just being grim and fatalistic and speaking metaphorically about the possible consequences of removing the veil and the magic coming back. The current "world must die", figuratively speaking, to elicit any kind of permanent change. Regardless of who removes the veil, Solas will still feel responsible for the consequences because he created it in the first place (to save the world.) It's cause and effect...remember that "the healer has the bloodiest hands", I can imagine him feeling responsible for each and every death that possibly occurs in the aftermath, even if he is in no way directly responsible...

 

 

Go Team Optimism!!!

 

 

Another thing...

 

He's not some madman, giggling maniacally, no matter what the stories may say!!!

 

He never said "I want to kill you", "I want to kill everyone" or "I want to (OR am going to) destroy the world" nor does his "plan" imply any of these things!!!!

 

All of these things would be completely out of character for him, IMO, considering what we know about him throughout the game(s)...

 

Go Team Optimism!!!

Sorry...just had to re-post this, 'cause reasons...