There seems to be a number of players who dislike elves in just about every fantasy world that contains them. I have no idea why, but I've noticed the hate seems to be mostly directed at the male elves, not the females. Or, at least it was that way in the WoW fandom.
That...
just makes me even more disturbed.
His problem is he has as Sera put his head's crammed up a thousands years and the guy needs to get over it.
There's probably a lot that Solas can let go of and get over, but I won't just assume that an ancient immortal being who fought a hopeless war and paid a terrible price for something that he said was the best outcome out of a slate of even worse options isn't aware of things we don't yet know. He could absolutely be a blind and duty-driven idiot who will watch the world burn for something he could just set aside, or it could be there really is more behind it that he has to make a bad choice for once again. I'm not going to make excuses for him, but I'm also not going to suggest he is totally wrong and only our special snowflake selves can show him this or kill him for it. If it turns out to be that way in the next game, I'll be frankly disappointed. We're smart and special, but don't tell me we alone of the world and all the gods and the past are the only ones who know what **** is about better than the person who was there for literally all of it.
Elves are either shown as good or bad. I kind of liked the dark elves in Thor. It made them shown in a different light from what I was used to most of my life.
The Dark Elves in Thor were interesting, but I felt they could have been made far more nuanced and less one-dimensional than they ended up being. It would have been far darker of a movie (no pun intended) if we'd had learned that Malekith's forces were merely a doomsday cult that didn't represent their entire species, then leave it purposefully ambiguous whether or not the Asgardians knew that when they wiped them out.
Seriously, it'd be fitting to make the Asgardians the villains at some point because their portrayal in the MCU repeatedly shows them as extremely smug, egomaniacal and rather authoritarian in how they use their advance tech to dominate the other realms.
Actually, now I think about it, the Asgardians sound a lot like the Evanuris...
They did entirely too well with his face. Really.
Which makes me terrified if they put an elf LI in the next game. By then they will have mastered this whole Frostbite engine thing and I can see myself accidently breaking things on my desk at the sight of a new elvhen glory.
Doomed. Just doomed.
They better put some Elven LI in the next game. I've romanced an elf in each game! Well...mostly. Technically Alistair is elf-blooded so it counts right?
Seriously if we get Solas and another elf I'll lose my mind. My husband might have to ban the game in our house....
I mean, if things are meant to be forgotten, than he'd indeed make everyone forget - we do know that Evanuris could make the whole Earth forget about something, or make Titans forget how to wake up, so the magic to extract or destroy memories is a type of magic Solas knows (and demonstrated that he can use it by making Cole selectively forget about his whereabouts). With that trick, going back in time would be unnecessary, because nobody will be remembering anything anyway.
I don't think Solas made Cole forget, I think he asked him to forget - Cole can alter his own memory just as he can alter that of others, like when he decides to become more spirit. I don't think Solas would do anything that would endanger someone else's free will, if there was another way. It's basically anathema to him.
Cole says that demons don't like water when you're running around it Crestwood.
If Solas winds up turning into some kind of demon, I'm going to take that key that Varric gave us and tie him up in the giant chain nets in the harbor.
Another thought, because I've had too much coffee today and can't shut up.
What if those sleeping, masked in a mirror are literally millions of ancient elves that are sundered and suffering, and if Solas doesn't act will either remain suffering or die. If Solas does act, modern Thedas possibly dies. How bad is Solas then? How bad will we be to say they can suffer and die just so our people can live? Makes us not too different from each other, I suspect.
I doubt this is the situation, but it does put some ideas into perspective.
They better put some Elven LI in the next game. I've romanced an elf in each game! Well...mostly. Technically Alistair is elf-blooded so it counts right?
Seriously if we get Solas and another elf I'll lose my mind. My husband might have to ban the game in our house....
I hope WE get to play an elf. We didn't have that option with Hawk. I had to head-cannon that she was half elf.
I don't think Solas made Cole forget, I think he asked him to forget - Cole can alter his own memory just as he can alter that of others, like when he decides to become more spirit. I don't think Solas would do anything that would endanger someone else's free will, if there was another way. It's basically anathema to him.
Making someone forget doesn't necessarily endangers one's free will. if such was the case, he'd chase Cole away from Shyhold himself, since Cole's whole shtick is taking some of people's memories away.
Plus, we've already established well that Solas is determined and will do stuff even he hates if it means that it's better than other alternative (like getting Cole killed or endangered or something).
Another thought, because I've had too much coffee today and can't shut up.
What if those sleeping, masked in a mirror are literally millions of ancient elves that are sundered and suffering, and if Solas doesn't act will either remain suffering or die. If Solas does act, modern Thedas possibly dies. How bad is Solas then? How bad will we be to say they can suffer and die just so our people can live? Makes us not too different from each other, I suspect.
I doubt this is the situation, but it does put some ideas into perspective.
I theorized once or twice that it could be the case. It's also possibly a reason why he keeps Inky at bay - that way, if they will stop him/kill him, Quizzies will never have to suffer realization that they've basically doomed those "hiding and hurting" to either death or suffering no one can break.
Guest_Keeva_*
There's probably a lot that Solas can let go of and get over, but I won't just assume that an ancient immortal being who fought a hopeless war and paid a terrible price for something that he said was the best outcome out of a slate of even worse options isn't aware of things we don't yet know. He could absolutely be a blind and duty-driven idiot who will watch the world burn for something he could just set aside, or it could be there really is more behind it that he has to make a bad choice for once again. I'm not going to make excuses for him, but I'm also not going to suggest he is totally wrong and only our special snowflake selves can show him this or kill him for it. If it turns out to be that way in the next game, I'll be frankly disappointed. We're smart and special, but don't tell me we alone of the world and all the gods and the past are the only ones who know what **** is about better than the person who was there for literally all of it.
I think he is bound to a duty he can't escape. When you drink from the Well and he tells you that you will always do and act because of the Will of another, I suspect he's in that predicament himself. Maybe not Mythal but perhaps something or someone else he wants to save who's trapped. If you call yourself a servant to Mythal she gets a sad look and asks if that's really what you feel. It seems to be less painful to be her servant than how Solas spoke of it and for some reason I feel she was being honest.
The Dark Elves in Thor were interesting, but I felt they could have been made far more nuanced and less one-dimensional than they ended up being. It would have been far darker of a movie (no pun intended) if we'd had learned that Malekith's forces were merely a doomsday cult that didn't represent their entire species, then leave it purposefully ambiguous whether or not the Asgardians knew that when they wiped them out.
Seriously, it'd be fitting to make the Asgardians the villains at some point because their portrayal in the MCU repeatedly shows them as extremely smug, egomaniacal and rather authoritarian in how they use their advance tech to dominate the other realms.
Actually, now I think about it, the Asgardians sound a lot like the Evanuris...
Yeah I was getting the vibe myself when I saw Thor 2. It feels very similar and I agree they could have had more to them. They also felt like Sha-Brytol.
Isn't that whole theory based off of Solas simply saying "you've ever known"?
They better put some Elven LI in the next game. I've romanced an elf in each game! Well...mostly. Technically Alistair is elf-blooded so it counts right?
Seriously if we get Solas and another elf I'll lose my mind. My husband might have to ban the game in our house....
He counts. Surana - in an AU where she's at Skyhold and spends time with Fiona and figures it out - offically claims him as one.
Guest_Keeva_*
I think so. There's another explanation, it could just mean, when the two realities merge, people may cease to have physical bodies (become more spirit like) or their memories and personalities could be wiped (like when Cole forgets the "real" Cole on the spirit path). Like wiping a hard drive. They will be exposed to a reality that is suddenly changeable. I could imagine a great many people simply going crazy. Like the rift mage trainer says...Mages broke their minds to learn it. So yeah, even if Solas is not being completely literal about the whole world dying....the world as most people know it would cease to be, and that could cause great chaos.
If he plans to restore the world he knew, then he will willingly be purging all the other species for the sake of his own. I can't see that. There has to be something we're missing or hasn't been revealed yet.
There's probably a lot that Solas can let go of and get over, but I won't just assume that an ancient immortal being who fought a hopeless war and paid a terrible price for something that he said was the best outcome out of a slate of even worse options isn't aware of things we don't yet know. He could absolutely be a blind and duty-driven idiot who will watch the world burn for something he could just set aside, or it could be there really is more behind it that he has to make a bad choice for once again. I'm not going to make excuses for him, but I'm also not going to suggest he is totally wrong and only our special snowflake selves can show him this or kill him for it. If it turns out to be that way in the next game, I'll be frankly disappointed. We're smart and special, but don't tell me we alone of the world and all the gods and the past are the only ones who know what **** is about better than the person who was there for literally all of it.
I agree. There are things that he has the perspective to see that we do not, even if it is skewed by his own prejudice towards his own people. It seems like he not only ruined the world of the Elvhen, but the problem that he meant to contain (the taint/red lyrium) got out anyway. So the whole point of his exercise is moot.
He might as well undo the Veil and scrape together what is left of his fallen people and work from there, because the spiritually and magically stunted people of the current world are just barely hanging on between Blights, with the potential for something worse once the remaining two Archdemons are dead and done being decoys that draw the darkspawn.
IMO, Thedas is already hellspiralling out of control. Something's gotta give. Who's to say that the people of Thedas won't destroy themselves or "destroy the world" if things are left the way they are? If no-one steps in and instigates massive change, ie. removing the veil (restoring the world to it's natural state), what's going to stop this descent into chaos/madness/bloodshed/slavery/extermination of Elves and/or mages???
TOP:
Guest_Keeva_*
IMO, Thedas is already hellspiralling out of control. Somethings gotta give. Who's to say that the people of Thedas won't destroy themselves or "destroy the world" if things are left the way they are? If no-one steps in and instigates massive change, ie. removing the veil (restoring the world to it's natural state), what's going to stop this descent into chaos/madness/bloodshed/slavery/extermination of Elves and/or mages???
The bigger problem is the Blight and in the theory thread someone took that black ball with red eyes mural and outlined the faded city behind it. If it's true, in the Black City, in the bowels of it a very dark being is trapped and it looks like a Sun.
I bet...which is why he won't answer the question when we ask ~why~ the world has to die. Either we could too easily figure out a spoiler...or the writers haven't decided yet.If he plans to restore the world he knew, then he will willingly be purging all the other species for the sake of his own. I can't see that. There has to be something we're missing or hasn't been revealed yet.
The bigger problem is the Blight and in the theory thread someone took that black ball with red eyes mural and outlined the faded city behind it. If it's true, in the Black City, in the bowels of it a very dark being is trapped and it looks like a Sun.
The Black CIty is supposedly where the Elven Gods were trapped, which would make it extremely interesting if the "cold, dead whispers" that the Magisters supposedly heard was their disembodied voices attempting to free themselves. And when that failed, the Evanuris tricked them into unleashing the Blight upon Thedas, as a means of spiting Solas for the brave new world he'd tried to create free of them.
Guest_Keeva_*
The Black CIty is supposedly where the Elven Gods were trapped, which would make it extremely interesting if the "cold, dead whispers" that the Magisters supposedly heard was their disembodied voices attempting to free themselves. And when that failed, the Evanuris tricked them into unleashing the Blight upon Thedas, as a means of spiting Solas for the brave new world he'd tried to create free of them.
This is what I first thought. We also have a codex where an elf talks about returning to Arlathan and how the gates were wide open, much like the Golden City. I truly feel the Black City is Arlathan and the Shattered Library was very similar to the raw Fade. And since the Chantry thinks the Maker created the Veil, Solas' actions must have confused them or something in history was twisted.
I bet...which is why he won't answer the question when we ask ~why~ the world has to die. Either we could too easily figure out a spoiler...or the writers haven't decided yet.
Edit: And this just makes me realize how it seems like Solas is giving up a lot of info/answers, but he really isn't at all...because this was the single most important question of all, and the one he refuses to answer. He told us nothing!
I'm pretty sure it's a meta reason like that. We are talking about the fandom that worked out the whole Titan/dwarves/lyrium blood thing months before Descent, off of a few small snippets of dialogue. They don't want to tip their hand too much
Guest_Keeva_*
I'm pretty sure it's a meta reason like that. We are talking about the fandom that worked out the whole Titan/dwarves/lyrium blood thing months before Descent, off of a few small snippets of dialogue. They don't want to tip their hand too much
It was said that had 5 games planned out. I think they know what they're doing but they have to consider one thing. The fan reaction. I wonder if Solas being as big as he was, especially when made a romance was expected or not? Now they have to tread lightly with him. And they said they wanted to make it 100% clear that Solas would be shown in a good light, filled with love and care for all. It makes me wonder where they're going with this.
I'm too lazy to quote all the multiple recent posts...
I really don't think that Solas seeks to literally (and unrealistically, IMO) restore the ancient Elves or ancient Elvhenan, based on this dialogue with Dorian and other dialogue throughout the game:
I bet...which is why he won't answer the question when we ask ~why~ the world has to die. Either we could too easily figure out a spoiler...or the writers haven't decided yet.
Edit: And this just makes me realize how it seems like Solas is giving up a lot of info/answers, but he really isn't at all...because this was the single most important question of all, and the one he refuses to answer. He told us nothing!
One of Solas' diaglogue says pretty much just that, something along the lines of "you've always shown a [somethingIcan'tremember] I admired, it would be too easy to tell you too much". Well played writers-- Er, I mean Solas. xD
It was said that had 5 games planned out. I think they know what they're doing but they have to consider one thing. The fan reaction. I wonder if Solas being as big as he was, especially when made a romance was expected or not? Now they have to tread lightly with him. And they said they wanted to make it 100% clear that Solas would be shown in a good light, filled with love and care for all. It makes me wonder where they're going with this.
Well, Weekes said that the romance shows the sadness of Solas's story, and he wanted to make sure Solas was portrayed in a sympathetic light. That doesn't necessarily mean he'll be a good guy. He's a different character now than the original conception for him, sure, but I hope they don't pull punches just because he's a romance interest. Weekes certainly pulled no punches for romanced qun!Bull, and he's a relatively minor character in the grand scheme of things 
One of Solas' diaglogue says pretty much just that, something along the lines of "you've always shown a [somethingIcan'tremember] I admired, it would be too easy to tell you too much". Well played writers-- Er, I mean Solas. xD
Out of likes so 
Retour en haut
