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[midnight tea]

I'm pretty sure it's a meta reason like that.  We are talking about the fandom that worked out the whole Titan/dwarves/lyrium blood thing months before Descent, off of a few small snippets of dialogue.  They don't want to tip their hand too much

 

Well, with so much theorizing I think they'd have to cease creating Dragon Age content to prevent someone being right about something... even if accidentally xD

 

Not to say that those who figured out 'lyrium' = 'titan's blood' was an accidental guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if among all those idle musing or theories people have, someone has already figured out most of the plot-line for DA

[Sable Rhapsody]

That's what worries me. He's written so good, but whatever they planned for him I don't want diminished based on how we as the PC feel.

 

I think we'll be ok.  Between Morrigan/Alistair in Origins, Anders in DA2, and now Solas and qun!Bull in DA:I, the devs are pretty good about prioritizing the overall story arc over the potential for romancing a character. 

 

 

Well, with so much theorizing I think they'd have to cease creating Dragon Age content to prevent someone being right about something... even if accidentally xD

 

Not to say that those who figured out 'lyrium' = 'titan's blood' was an accidental guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if among all those idle musing or theories people have, someone has already figured out most of the plot-line for DA

 

It's like throwing spaghetti at a wall

 

It is possible that they haven't worked out what the future plot will be, but I think that's unlikely if they had story for 5 DA games.  Though they have had to make some significant changes, like Exalted March getting cancelled and Hawke originally being tapped for Inquisitor.  I don't remember where I read it, but I think a long time ago, the intent was for DA:O to be immediately followed by DA:I, then they realized they needed a game to bridge the two and explain the origins of the mage/templar thing.

[Sifr]

 

I'm too lazy to quote all the multiple recent posts...

 

I really don't think that Solas seeks to literally (and unrealistically, IMO) restore the ancient Elves or ancient Elvhenan, based on this dialogue with Dorian and other dialogue throughout the game:

 

• Dorian: Solas, for what it's worth, I'm sorry.
• Dorian: The elven city of Arlathan sounds like a magical place, and for my ancestors to have destroyed it...
• Solas: Dorian... hush.
• Solas: Empires rise and fall. Arlathan was no more "innocent" than your own Tevinter in its time.
• Solas: Your nostalgia for the ancient elves, however romanticized, is pointless.
• Solas: If you wish to make amends for past transgressions, free the slaves of all races who live in Tevinter today.
• Dorian: I... don't know that I can do that.
• Solas: Then how sorry are you?

 

 

I always interpreted the final bit of the dialogue as Solas calling out Dorian, that for all his talk of being a rebel and pariah who wants to change things, he has yet to put his money where his mouth is and actually do anything about it (like Solas did for his own people).

 

"And thus the Dread Wolf spoke to the moustached mage of Tevinter and told him to nut up or shut up, that he should either go big or go home..."

 

[Vlk3]

Another thought, because I've had too much coffee today and can't shut up.

 

What if those sleeping, masked in a mirror are literally millions of ancient elves that are sundered and suffering, and if Solas doesn't act will either remain suffering or die. If Solas does act, modern Thedas possibly dies. How bad is Solas then? How bad will we be to say they can suffer and die just so our people can live? Makes us not too different from each other, I suspect.

 

I doubt this is the situation, but it does put some ideas into perspective.

You doubt and I'm convinced that this is true. Before Tresspasser, I had thought that Solas wanted to free the elven gods. Now it seems unlikely. So Cole must have talked about alll these Elves who went to uthenera. For some reason they can't wake (I wonder why) ... and in order to save them... I think Cole almost told the Inquisitor about Solas' plan to tear down the Veil. Or maybe Solas needed just Eluvians to find the ancient Elves and wake them up himself. It seems that most Elves are unable to wake from uthenera on their own. We can't even be sure if Solas woke up by himself or someone helped him.

 

Anyway, I don't want to sacrifice ancient Elves to save this world. There must be another way! And I want the Veil gone...

And,I don't want Solas to kill all these innocent people of modern Thedas... or to leave his people to die.

 

[figment_]

 

He's such a contradiction. Did a part of Mythal's vengeance start to change him I wonder?

 

 

 

That's what worries me. He's written so good, but whatever they planned for him I don't want diminished based on how we as the PC feel.

 

I don't think it's a contradiction. If taken in context, based on what else we know, I think that it means that unrealistic/unattainable goals are not and never have been part of his plans.

 

Re: Mythal, I have the unpopular opinion that she is not vengeful but wants justice, to be avenged, for what was done by the Evanuris...Her murder, their path to destroying the world, the subjugation of the Elves (all before the veil, which was a last resort). I believe her anger is righteous and completely justified. Also, I don't believe she's possessing him...She willingly shared her power with him to help him accomplish their common goal of fixing a broken world...

[Illyria]

IMO, Thedas is already hellspiralling out of control. Somethings gotta give. Who's to say that the people of Thedas won't destroy themselves or "destroy the world" if things are left the way they are? If no-one steps in and instigates massive change, ie. removing the veil (restoring the world to it's natural state), what's going to stop this descent into chaos/madness/bloodshed/slavery/extermination of Elves and/or mages???

 

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Spoiler

 

Who is that with Flemeth?

 

Spoiler

[Lunapur]

So we're expecting DA4 in 2018 then?Seems like forever now Think  i'm gonna take a month of of whatever i'm doing at that time to play it:)

[Sable Rhapsody]

Re: Mythal, I have the unpopular opinion that she is not vengeful but wants justice, to be avenged, for what was done by the Evanuris...Her murder, their path to destroying the world, the subjugation of the Elves (all before the veil, which was a last resort). I believe her anger is righteous and completely justified. Also, I don't believe she's possessing him...She willingly shared her power with him to help him accomplish their common goal of fixing a broken world...

 

I don't think she's possessing Solas either but...I dunno.  Mythal makes me worry.  She was never exactly warm and fuzzy as Flemeth, was she?  I think there are much more malicious forces than her at work in Thedas, but she's still a powerful, dangerous, ancient being whose motives (as far as we know) include a reckoning that will shake the world to its foundations 

 

She might be absolutely in the right, especially if the Evanuris were as horrible as Solas says.  But I'm not sure that her concept of justice and our concept of what's good for Thedas will align.

[figment_]

Yeah that does sound like Solas.

 

I don't think it's possession, but just having her as a part of him like Flemeth did, I wonder if it increased his own wishes to pursue justice too? Flemeth is always so calm and collected and when she shouts out in rage at the Inquisitor and Morrigan, you can tell she's hurting as much as Mythal is, and who betrayed her cut her deep. Is it possible it's Dirthamen? We see his bloody and stabbed statue above her and in the Well the words speak of him if played backwards.

For some reason (maybe their bloodthirsty nature's), I've thought it more likely to have been Falon'Din or Andruil...Or, it could have been a collaboration...???

[figment_]

I don't think she's possessing Solas either but...I dunno.  Mythal makes me worry.  She was never exactly warm and fuzzy as Flemeth, was she?  I think there are much more malicious forces than her at work in Thedas, but she's still a powerful, dangerous, ancient being whose motives (as far as we know) include a reckoning that will shake the world to its foundations 

 

She might be absolutely in the right, especially if the Evanuris were as horrible as Solas says.  But I'm not sure that her concept of justice and our concept of what's good for Thedas will align.

Well...she hasn't really done us wrong yet, has she?!?

 

And somebody has to be on the good side!

 

 

Go Team Optimism!!!

[dawnstone]

Making someone forget doesn't necessarily endangers one's free will. if such was the case, he'd chase Cole away from Shyhold himself, since Cole's whole shtick is taking some of people's memories away.

 

Plus, we've already established well that Solas is determined and will do stuff even he hates if it means that it's better than other alternative (like getting Cole killed or endangered or something).

Yes, but Solas phrased it as a request "I must ask that you forget." I think Solas tolerates Cole's behavior, because he is following his nature as a spirit of Compassion. I believe Solas can and will do unpleasant things to further his goals, but if there are other alternatives he will take them.  I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on this point.

[Uirebhiril]

Anyway, I don't want to sacrifice ancient Elves to save this world. There must be another way! And I want the Veil gone...

And,I don't want Solas to kill all these innocent people of modern Thedas... or to leave his people to die.

 

If it does come down to this being true, I'd like to think there would be a way to make everything coexist in some fashion. Maybe with cost or depending on choices, but still possible. Because otherwise, for all people are holding a torch aloft for the genocidal Solas, they'd be the first to shank him and leave millions of ancient elves to rot to save their own people. It'd be too easy.

[Sifr]

I don't think it's a contradiction. If taken in context, based on what else we know, I think that it means that unrealistic/unattainable goals are not and never have been part of his plans.

 

Re: Mythal, I have the unpopular opinion that she is not vengeful but wants justice, to be avenged, for what was done by the Evanuris...Her murder, their path to destroying the world, the subjugation of the Elves (all before the veil, which was a last resort). I believe her anger is righteous and completely justified. Also, I don't believe she's possessing him...She willingly shared her power with him to help him accomplish their common goal of fixing a broken world...

 

I think that's likely what Mythal goal is as well.

 

She was the arbiter of law and justice among the Evanuris, someone whom was seen as tough but fair. For her to suffer an injustice at the hands of her own kinsmen, that would definitely explain a lot about her motivations and desire for some kind of retribution.

 

It makes me wonder that since he seems unsurprised she survived being slain, Solas' revenge against the Evanuris was less about the murder itself and more that the others had the sheer gall to try to do that to her in the first place.

 

I also doubt that she's influencing or possessing him, it makes more sense to me that she passed on her godhood to Morrigan and simply sacrificed some of her power and current form to her old friend. That being said, I don't think that Mythal necessarily has goals aligned with Solas, but her plans are somewhat tied to him carrying out his.

 

(Although, her plan could be as simple as wanting him to tear down the Veil, so she can finally kick the snot out of the Evanuris)

[Sable Rhapsody]

Well...she hasn't really done us wrong yet, has she?!?

And somebody has to be on the good side!


Go Team Optimism!!!

She has generally helped the PCs, though she's also willing to use the Well against quizzy and Morrigan. I don't know if Thedas has a clear-cut Team Good ar this point. Good for one group is often bad for another.

[MayriyaNoori]

A really awesome thought for the next game just dawned on me.

 

What if enough time passes and in the next game we find out after chilling with a Titan, Valta discovered the cure for Blighted lyrium...she takes it to whoever can carry it out, said cure happens and Titans wake up.

 

And that is what out protagonist has to deal with while Quizzy is off handling Solas problems.

 

It would be Thedas having a baby with Shadow of the Colossus.

 

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[midnight tea]

 

It's like throwing spaghetti at a wall

 

It is possible that they haven't worked out what the future plot will be, but I think that's unlikely if they had story for 5 DA games.  Though they have had to make some significant changes, like Exalted March getting cancelled and Hawke originally being tapped for Inquisitor.  I don't remember where I read it, but I think a long time ago, the intent was for DA:O to be immediately followed by DA:I, then they realized they needed a game to bridge the two and explain the origins of the mage/templar thing.

 

... And how frustrating would that be, if the only thing spaghetti has formed on the wall was "Spoilers"?

 

I'm pretty sure that they've left quite a few things open-ended, because there are many unexpected things that might get changed along the way - but they likely have a lot of things figured out in terms of general direction. I said it once - I don't think Trespasser would be so confident in what it was presenting us, if they weren't certain where they want to take the story and if they can actually deliver it... at least I HOPE they can deliver it.

 

After the DAII... well, maybe not fiasco, but disappointment, and also improvements to the game after additional development year for DAI (added races and romance options, among things) I not-so-secretly hope that EA - and whoever fund greenlit games there - is smart enough to give them more than 5$ to develop new title as well as much creative freedom as they can be given.

[dawnstone]

It was said that had 5 games planned out. I think they know what they're doing but they have to consider one thing. The fan reaction. I wonder if Solas being as big as he was, especially when made a romance was expected or not? Now they have to tread lightly with him. And they said they wanted to make it 100% clear that Solas would be shown in a good light, filled with love and care for all. It makes me wonder where they're going with this.

I believe the devs said that they wanted to paint him as someone deeply moral, not necessarily good. He has principles that he does not want to betray, and it is absolutely destroying him every time he steps closer to crossing those lines. Evidently, next game we get to see what happens if he does or does not do so. If he is actually a Wisdom/Pride spirit/demon at his core, perhaps his actions in the next game are what will twist him permanently into one or the other.

[Sable Rhapsody]

A really awesome thought for the next game just dawned on me.

What if enough time passes and in the next game we find out after chilling with a Titan, Valta discovered the cure for Blighted lyrium...she takes it to whoever can carry it out, said cure happens and Titans wake up.

And that is what out protagonist has to deal with while Quizzy is off handling Solas problems.

The devs have made a big deal of Dragon Age being the story of Thedas. If Thedas itself comes alive and starts to act and think?!

*squeeing*

[midnight tea]

The devs have made a big deal of Dragon Age being the story of Thedas. If Thedas itself comes alive and starts to act and think?!

*squeeing*

 

I actually think this is actually happening - not literally, but in a way at least. There's a lot in the story that hints at the existence of collective consciousness(es?). Thedas itself may not be alive as a separate entity, but the collective consciousness of possibly all creatures. It's what ultimately the Maker could be as well.