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[Sah291]

I agree completely!
 
I also think there's even more implied by that little bit of banter...The previous lines seem to strongly indicate that his goals do NOT include bringing back the ancient Elves/Arlathan/Elvhenan in a literal sense or in the state that they were...

I think he probably intends to restore the elves, but not necessarily the empire and evanuris with it.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Exactly!

This is why Trespasser would have been better if we the players hadn't gotten that reveal teaser after the vanilla credits. I felt like such a stupid Lois Lane. "Look Jimmy! The Dread Wolf removed vallaslin. Mild mannered Solas said they were slave markings....These murals are pretty. They remind me of something, but it hurts my pretty little female brain too much to think on it any more. This Dread Wolf guy was kinda cute. That hooded cape, woof. Ho hum. Oh look hidden stairs...Eeek, bloodthirsty Qunari! Help me Fen'Harel!"

Seeing that mural would have been a skin tingling aha moment. "Oh my Mythal! Solas is the Dread Wolf!" Instead it was, "Good grief...this is embarrassing." I loved the lore dump, but boy did it feel silly.

Not every player is going to put two and two together, though. I mean, I was dense enough to believe Iron Bull until Trespasser . The lore is already complicated, so from a meta standpoint, I can't blame the devs for spelling it out.

[Uirebhiril]

I think he probably intends to restore the elves, but not necessarily the empire and evanuris with it.

 

After which a new top will form to frig it all up. Sera, she had a point.

[Colonelkillabee]

Exactly!

 

This is why Trespasser would have been better if we the players hadn't gotten that reveal teaser after the vanilla credits. I felt like such a stupid Lois Lane. "Look Jimmy! The Dread Wolf removed vallaslin. Mild mannered Solas said they were slave markings....These frescos are pretty. They remind me of something, but it hurts my pretty little female brain too much to think on it any more. This Dread Wolf guy was kinda cute. That hooded cape, woof. Ho hum. Oh look hidden stairs...Eeek, bloodthirsty Qunari! Help me Fen'Harel!"

 

Seeing that mural would have been a skin tingling aha moment. "Oh my Mythal! Solas is the Dread Wolf!" Instead it was, "Good grief...this is embarrassing." I loved the lore dump, but boy did it feel silly.

 

Edit: I don't draw much, but this totally demands a Superman Dragon Age crossover comic with Cole as Jimmy. I might just do it...

Rofl, lets be real. It's all in character for most Lavellans XD

[Vhenan Sequitur]

Not every player is going to put two and two together, though. I mean, I was dense enough to believe Iron Bull until Trespasser . The lore is already complicated, so from a meta standpoint, I can't blame the devs for spelling it out.

Spelling it out is fine...Solas does that at the end anyway. I just don't know why the devs thought the player needed to know before their player character would know.

 

 

 

Rofl, lets be real. It's all in character for most Lavellans XD

Hey! I think maybe our Lavellans should feel insulted.

Glad I gave you a chuckle; 'twas intended.

[figment_]

After which a new top will form to frig it all up. Sera, she had a point.

I wonder what Sera's opinion of a Democracy would be...

 

Hey, the Ancient Greeks did it!

[Sable Rhapsody]

Spelling it out is fine...Solas does that at the end anyway. I just don't know why the devs thought the player needed to know before their player character would know.

 

Maybe they thought it would be confusing and unsatisfying to have Solas just disappear with no explanation.  They might be treading lightly around endings after ME3.  It's different from Morrigan's situation, since she at least partially explained herself and said goodbye properly if you did the Dark Ritual.  

[Shari'El]

Rofl, lets be real. It's all in character for most Lavellans XD

 

What is a Mythal?

[Sifr]

 

This is why Trespasser would have been better if we the players hadn't gotten that reveal teaser after the vanilla credits. I felt like such a stupid Lois Lane. "Look Jimmy! The Dread Wolf removed vallaslin. Mild mannered Solas said they were slave markings....These frescos are pretty. They remind me of something, but it hurts my pretty little female brain too much to think on it any more. This Dread Wolf guy was kinda cute. That hooded cape, woof. Ho hum. Oh look hidden stairs...Eeek, bloodthirsty Qunari! Help me Fen'Harel!"

 

Seeing that mural would have been a skin tingling aha moment. "Oh my Mythal! Solas is the Dread Wolf!" Instead it was, "Good grief...this is embarrassing." I loved the lore dump, but boy did it feel silly.

 

Edit: I don't draw much, but this totally demands a Superman Dragon Age crossover comic with Cole as Jimmy. I might just do it...

 

I feel like rather than unlocking those codexes so we looked smart for working it out, we should have had some kind of dialogue where it was implied we had sussed it out prior to the final confrontation... or for Lavellans (male and female) we had, but were still in extreme denial about it.

 

Actually, the frescos should have been either damaged, had the face scratched out, covered or vandalised in some way, so we could suspend our disbelief that nobody comments on it looking like Solas at any point during the entire DLC. It would have fit even more for the fresco in the library, as we know the people trapped inside were royally hacked off at him and would have trashed his stuff.

[Colonelkillabee]

Spelling it out is fine...Solas does that at the end anyway. I just don't know why the devs thought the player needed to know before their player character would know.

I was joking earlier, but really it's been like that for all Inquisitors with a lot of things. Blackwall I'll admit, that genuinely surprised me, but Solas not being the simple humble hobo apostate he said he was was news to no one, and everyone in the Inquisition was simply ignoring this for the most part, I believe, due to his usefulness to them, which is kind of a poor excuse honestly.

 

Then there's the mages at redcliffe, where everyone seems to just ignore the obvious, which is the magisters were altering things to get the mages on their side, whether it be time or minds. Iron Bull says "I'm a spy" for crying out loud, lol, so surprise surprise when he betrays you if you let the chargers die. Fully expected. And the Mythal thing, lol.

 

Love quizzy but not the brightest at times. Better than Hawke though.

[NeverlandHunter]

Catching up!

They did entirely too well with his face. Really.

Which makes me terrified if they put an elf LI in the next game. By then they will have mastered this whole Frostbite engine thing and I can see myself accidently breaking things on my desk at the sight of a new elvhen glory.

Doomed. Just doomed.

I'm actually worried about this from a role-playing perspective. How likely is it that the most prominent heroes in recent history have all been women... who've taken elven lovers?

 

Uh, darn attractive elves attracting me.

 

I also have an elf thing and will probably go for a male elf regardless of his looks and the information released about him. Maybe I should hope for the only elven romance options to be a gay male or female. That should keep me away from them in my first/canon playthrough!

 

I theorized once or twice that it could be the case. It's also possibly a reason why he keeps Inky at bay - that way, if they will stop him/kill him, Quizzies will never have to suffer realization that they've basically doomed those "hiding and hurting" to either death or suffering no one can break.

Oooh, that's interesting. 

One of Solas' diaglogue says pretty much just that, something along the lines of "you've always shown a [somethingIcan'tremember] I admired, it would be too easy to tell you too much". Well played writers-- Er, I mean Solas. xD

Yeah, that's the best excuse I've ever heard a character give to keep things hidden from the reader/player/viewer!

 

I don't think she's possessing Solas either but...I dunno.  Mythal makes me worry.  She was never exactly warm and fuzzy as Flemeth, was she?  I think there are much more malicious forces than her at work in Thedas, but she's still a powerful, dangerous, ancient being whose motives (as far as we know) include a reckoning that will shake the world to its foundations  

 

She might be absolutely in the right, especially if the Evanuris were as horrible as Solas says.  But I'm not sure that her concept of justice and our concept of what's good for Thedas will align.

She did look genuinely sad when Morrigan said she wouldn't be the mother Flemeth was to her... but yeah, I don't trust her either. But I think we all know that the true puppet master of The Dragon Age is Sandal. Seriously, why was Flemeth speaking with him in DA2? If it was Flemeth, and if it wasn't just a vision.

 

 

Woo 5,200 pages!

[Sifr]

Love quizzy but not the brightest at times. Better than Hawke though.

 

Although Hawke's not the one with "What's going on here?" as their catchphrase.

 

(Seriously Varric, that should have been the title of the book about the Inquisition!)

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

OK.  I've had some time to put on my tinfoil hat and think about the Titans, the Blight, and the war with the Evanuris.  Lore rambles incoming, spoilered for length.

 

Spoiler

Let's say the Titans were lionturtle-esque homes to the dwarves.  What would that mean for the dwarves inhabiting them when the Evanuris started to kill the Titans and mine their bodies?  

 

I think the Sha-Brytol are the precursors to Caridin's golems, and I think they originated in the war with the Evanuris.  Maybe Caridin even encountered some of them in the Deep Roads, and got the idea for the Anvil of the Void from them.  Think about it; the Sha-Brytol defend the Titan with mindless ferocity.  But they can't speak to it, they can't calm it, and the lyrium armor they wear is bonded to their skin.  (Btw, ew  ) The creation process for the golems involves pouring molten lyrium into the golem's shell, with a living dwarf inside.  It sounds like it's a brutal refinement of the Sha-Brytol.  

 

Here's where the Blight comes in, and we get REALLY tinfoil hat.  I don't have any proof for this, just a hunch.

 

I don't think the Blight was inherently part of Thedas.  I think it was created, by the ancient dwarves, as a last-ditch attempt to drive off the Evanuris.  I think the dwarves realized what the Evanuris were after, and started poisoning the Titans' blood, with disastrous consequences for both sides of the conflict.  The Evanuris brought corrupted lyrium back to their people.  Andruil crafted her weapons out of the stuff, and began to go crazy until Mythal stopped her rampage.  At some point, enough of the Blight had spread among the Evanuris where Solas realized they'd destroy the world if they carried on like this.  Maybe Mythal even brought spirit!Solas into physical being for the express purpose of stopping the Blight.  But then the Evanuris killed her, and Solas raised the Veil.  He stopped the Evanuris, but not the Blight, which slowly but surely spread underground.

 

So what happened to the dwarves once their Titans were dead or Blighted?  Some would inevitably die.  Some probably became the first ghouls.  Others might scatter.  Maybe the survivors eventually banded together to form the precursors to dwarven thaigs.  It would explain why Valta found nothing about the Titans in Orzammar's memories; by the time the thaigs rose, no one remembered the Titans except a reverence for "the Stone."  And it would explain why the darkspawn seem to just burst out from the ground; the corruption that drives them originates from the Stone itself.

 

...I'm going to read this tomorrow and it's gonna make no sense.  Such is the joy of theorycrafting 

[NeverlandHunter]

OK.  I've had some time to put on my tinfoil hat and think about the Titans, the Blight, and the war with the Evanuris.  Lore rambles incoming, spoilered for length.

 

Spoiler

Let's say the Titans were lionturtle-esque homes to the dwarves.  What would that mean for the dwarves inhabiting them when the Evanuris started to kill the Titans and mine their bodies?  

 

I think the Sha-Brytol are the precursors to Caridin's golems, and I think they originated in the war with the Evanuris.  Maybe Caridin even encountered some of them in the Deep Roads, and got the idea for the Anvil of the Void from them.  Think about it; the Sha-Brytol defend the Titan with mindless ferocity.  But they can't speak to it, they can't calm it, and the lyrium armor they wear is bonded to their skin.  (Btw, ew  ) The creation process for the golems involves pouring molten lyrium into the golem's shell, with a living dwarf inside.  It sounds like it's a brutal refinement of the Sha-Brytol.  

 

Here's where the Blight comes in, and we get REALLY tinfoil hat.  I don't have any proof for this, just a hunch.

 

I don't think the Blight was inherently part of Thedas.  I think it was created, by the ancient dwarves, as a last-ditch attempt to drive off the Evanuris.  I think the dwarves realized what the Evanuris were after, and started poisoning the Titans' blood, with disastrous consequences for both sides of the conflict.  The Evanuris brought corrupted lyrium back to their people.  Andruil crafted her weapons out of the stuff, and began to go crazy until Mythal stopped her rampage.  At some point, enough of the Blight had spread among the Evanuris where Solas realized they'd destroy the world if they carried on like this.  Maybe Mythal even brought spirit!Solas into physical being for the express purpose of stopping the Blight.  But then the Evanuris killed her, and Solas raised the Veil.  He stopped the Evanuris, but not the Blight, which slowly but surely spread underground.

 

So what happened to the dwarves once their Titans were dead or Blighted?  Some would inevitably die.  Others might scatter.  Maybe the survivors eventually banded together to form the precursors to dwarven thaigs.  It would explain why Valta found nothing about the Titans in Orzammar's memories; by the time the thaigs rose, no one remembered the Titans except a reverence for "the Stone." 

 

...I'm going to read this tomorrow and it's gonna make no sense.  Such is the joy of theorycrafting 

Much better than my theory!

 

Once there was a big gray rock and a pink streaked rocked and they fell in love...

 

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http://shaydh.devian...trees-188776569

 

Solas would hate him XD

[Sable Rhapsody]

Much better than my theory!

 

Once there was a big gray rock and a pink streak rocked and they fell in love...

 

*snip*

 

Out of likes again

 

Maybe Solas's punishment for apocalypse should be a weekend with Oghren.  That'll learn him!  Or just make him want to destroy the world even more.

 

Not bad at all! We do know their memory was wiped because of whatever the elves found and then sealed away. Chances are the Blight was like a chemical weapon of mass destruction that backfired.

 

Dragon Age does have a very strong theme of horrible unintended consequences.  It happened with the Evanuris, and again with the magisters of Tevinter.  It would fit the pattern if the dwarves unwittingly brought about the very darkspawn that have them on the edge of extinction.

 

Maybe the Blight was originally meant to corrupt spirits and disrupt magic, since the ancient elves were likely part spirit.  A weapon that corrupted their spirits would be devastating to them.  But lyrium is also connected to magic, so using the Blight as a weapon also resulted in the Titans getting Blighted?  In this case, the poisoning of the Titans would be an accident, not deliberate, but the end result would still be the inexorable spread of the Blight.

[dawnstone]

Spelling it out is fine...Solas does that at the end anyway. I just don't know why the devs thought the player needed to know before their player character would know.

 

 

 

Hey! I think maybe our Lavellans should feel insulted.

Glad I gave you a chuckle; 'twas intended.

Not everybody buys the DLC, so they probably put it in there to give those players a lead in on who was going to be the next antagonist.

[midnight tea]

Not everybody buys the DLC, so they probably put it in there to give those players a lead in on who was going to be the next antagonist.

 

This. Also - how many people bought Trespasser simply because they were intrigued by the post-credit reveal? ...I think quite a few of us did

[GoldenGail3]

Much better than my theory!
 
Once there was a big gray rock and a pink streaked rocked and they fell in love...
 
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http://shaydh.devian...trees-188776569
 
Solas would hate him XD

Ugh Orghen? I really didn't care for him, Awakening with him in it sucked. And I'm restating DAO with a male Cousland (A Morrigan romance, but he likes Leliana too. The jealous conversions between the two is so worth it, I can tell you that!)

[Sable Rhapsody]

Not everybody buys the DLC, so they probably put it in there to give those players a lead in on who was going to be the next antagonist.

 

Well, at this point, not everyone can buy the DLC  

[dawnstone]

Well, at this point, not everyone can buy the DLC

That too. *sad trombone*

[Sable Rhapsody]

On an entirely different note, I think my new favorite BSN past-time is giggling over incoherent rants about how Solas is the worst.  I may be a bad person.

[MayriyaNoori]

Another thought, because I've had too much coffee today and can't shut up.

 

What if those sleeping, masked in a mirror are literally millions of ancient elves that are sundered and suffering, and if Solas doesn't act will either remain suffering or die. If Solas does act, modern Thedas possibly dies. How bad is Solas then? How bad will we be to say they can suffer and die just so our people can live? Makes us not too different from each other, I suspect.

 

I doubt this is the situation, but it does put some ideas into perspective.

I've had this thought also.

 

Another thought about something Cole says is this.

 

• Cole: You don't need to envy me, Solas. You can find happiness in your own way.
• Solas: I apologize for disturbing you, Cole. I am not a spirit, and sometimes it is hard to remember such simple truths.
• Cole: They are not gone so long as you remember them.
• Solas: I know.
• Cole: But you could let them go.
• Solas: I know that as well.
• Cole: You didn't do it to be right. You did it to save them.
• Inquisitor: Solas, what is Cole talking about?
• Solas: A mistake. One of many made by a much younger elf who was certain he knew everything.
• Cole: You weren't wrong, though.

• Solas: Thank you, Cole.

 

I question who Cole is talking about here also. I mean......Solas said he locked away the Evanuris to save the elvhen people.....but this sounds like whoever Solas cared about is gone.