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[AutumnOracle]

I fully expect the Solas thread (and associated lore threads) will have the plot for DA4 hammered down roughly three months before the game launches. I wonder if that counts as having spoiled ourselves? We'll get to key plot points and not be at all surprised.

 

I'm okay with this.  Spoilers add to my enjoyment.  I just balance it out with a moderate number of spoilers and don't spoil it all.  For instance I new by the end of my first playthrough that Solas leaves/has a scene with Flemeth.  The exact details were blurry.  I couldn't wait to get through my playthrough and find out what that was all about.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I'm okay with this.  Spoilers add to my enjoyment.  I just balance it out with a moderate number of spoilers and don't spoil it all.  For instance I new by the end of my first playthrough that Solas leaves/has a scene with Flemeth.  The exact details were blurry.  I couldn't wait to get through my playthrough and find out what that was all about.

 

I knew that he left, and unfortunately had it spoiled for me that he was Fen'Harel partway through.  (Partially my own fault for not knowing how to read tumblr).  Which I do regret; I wish his identity had still been a surprise.  But I suppose since I stuck with the hellspiral even though I knew it was coming, I have no right to complain about all the feels that came after

[Moirin]

I would say he will be happy and feel the pain of loss on the good side of things,he will have a legacy,not being alone plus he can always retire to Uthenera and come back to guide and share his experiences with them.Sad but in a good way

 

Could be. Or it could be that he would be devastated. Especially since we see how sad it makes him just to loose a friend. He has to spend eternity watching his loved one's wither, age, and die because of his actions in creating the veil, I don't think he would take it well.

 

Not that I'm trying to sway anyone here. Every Lavellan will see this differently. I was giving my feelings/ my Lavellan's feeling on the matter. A long time ago we were asked in this thread to speculate our Lavellan's reaction to finding out Solas was Fen'Harel and I said my Lavellan would be horrified, though not because of the Fen'Harel thing. But I couldn't explain why she would be horrified. What I just discussed would be one of the reasons.

 

Good thing she's more focused on redeeming him to think about it right now.

[Cee]

I knew that he left, and unfortunately had it spoiled for me that he was Fen'Harel partway through.  (Partially my own fault for not knowing how to read tumblr).  Which I do regret; I wish his identity had still been a surprise.  But I suppose since I stuck with the hellspiral even though I knew it was coming, I have no right to complain about all the feels that came after

I got spoiled by reading about vallaslin somewhere out of pure curiosity and it said Solas = Fen'Harel. So I was spoiled right before doing What Pride Had Wrought. I was all WHAT?! WAIT, WHAT? *runs to do temple mission*. I had no idea about the breakup or him leaving though.

 

But having that knowledge while in the temple made me enjoy it more, I guess, hearing him bicker with Morrigan and give us snippets about the gods.

 

In a way, knowing he was Fen'Harel made the breakup easier on me the player, because I already knew more than I should have and thus I could imagine why he might be making that decision. But poor, confused Lavellan.

 

And then he left.

[Flemmy]

At the very least, I'd like to know if quizzy will be our next PC.  Because if not, letting go of her will be very challenging and take a lot of fanfiction.

Especially Lavellan romancing Sola. But we will most likley not unless bioware tend to change that routin.

[Lunapur]

So true Sable,i myself felt nothing till my own character experienced it even if spoiled

[Sable Rhapsody]

In a way, knowing he was Fen'Harel made the breakup easier on me the player, because I already knew more than I should have and thus I could imagine why he might be making that decision. But poor, confused Lavellan.

 

It made the breakup easier on me too, but I almost wish it hadn't.  If that makes any sense at all.

 

Spoilers are emotional anesthesia, and they worked out to my advantage in ME3.  The endings didn't upset me half as much as they would have unspoiled, but that was the bad kind of upset.  DA has generally been the good kind of upset, and every time I've managed to spoil something for myself, in hindsight, I wish I hadn't.  I wish it had hit with the full megaton impact of surprise and feels, even though I still got the feels.

 

I am insatiably curious, though, so I basically had to force myself to stop using the Internet while waiting for Trespasser.  I managed that much, so at least my willpower is improving

[Uirebhiril]

I look back at everything written yesterday now that I am in a coffee hangover and the only thing that keeps coming to my mind is why the hell are some people so intent on teaching us we are wrong for liking a character just because they don't like them or what they plan to do? Arguing the point over how Solas is doing something bad and wants to indirectly commit genocide as if we aren't very well aware of that fact. Pretending it's because we're silly girls besotted in love. Like, seriously?

 

You'd think some people could come here and have a good discussion about Solas's bad points without finishing it up with, "...and you're all bad for liking him anyway!" Pfft. I guess it's because those types of people are capable of understanding and empathizing with the character as part of the narrative and see no need to question how anyone can like the bad guy.

 

Still. Pfffft.

[myahele]

It's too bad the next game will feature a new protagonist, so I'm sure the inquisitor will deal with Solas the same way Hawke dealt with Corypheus

[Janic99]

okay I am literally in love I found perfect hair for my inky

gonna use this on trespasser. HERE YOU GO SOLAS THIS IS WHAT YA MISSED!

 

 

 

 

[Lunapur]

Could be. Or it could be that he would be devastated. Especially since we see how sad it makes him just to loose a friend. He has to spend eternity watching his loved one's wither, age, and die because of his actions in creating the veil, I don't think he would take it well.

 

Not that I'm trying to sway anyone here. Every Lavellan will see this differently. I was giving my feelings/ my Lavellan's feeling on the matter. A long time ago we were asked in this thread to speculate our Lavellan's reaction to finding out Solas was Fen'Harel and I said my Lavellan would be horrified, though not because of the Fen'Harel thing. But I couldn't explain why she would be horrified. What I just discussed would be one of the reasons.

 

Good thing she's more focused on redeeming him to think about it right now.

Out of likes here   But i see your point as well and now i'm sad again   And it comes to mind his reaction to his spirit friend loss when the player decides to kill it instead of setting it free.Yea i/Lavellan could not bear a thought like that for him.Still on the other side if the player decides the free the spirit it is still sad yes but i could see the relief as well in his eyes even if it was gone.So i'm on mix feelings here 

[Cee]

It made the breakup easier on me too, but I almost wish it hadn't.  If that makes any sense at all.

No, it makes perfect sense. I would've much rather had the full impact rather than accidentally spoiling myself by being curious about vallaslin. Though it's in my nature to have enough feels left to go around anyway.    I didn't know the breakup was coming so I actually just stopped right after talking to him afterward and didn't play for about a day and a half. Feelings....too....much. I needed processing time.

 

I don't feel like it ruined or blunted anything in the end. It made it easier on an intellectual level, though not as much on a feels level. I am a really feelsy person but I am also in possession of immense curiosity, and I have a great need to understand the hows and whys of everything. If that makes sense.

 

The other day, I told my friend about what was, in the actual details, a kind of terrifying health experience I had a long time ago, but I was kind of nerding out over the mechanics and why it's so cool that the brain is capable of doing the thing. She treated me like a weirdo for that.

[AutumnOracle]

Could be. Or it could be that he would be devastated. Especially since we see how sad it makes him just to loose a friend. He has to spend eternity watching his loved one's wither, age, and die because of his actions in creating the veil, I don't think he would take it well.

 

Not that I'm trying to sway anyone here. Every Lavellan will see this differently. I was giving my feelings/ my Lavellan's feeling on the matter. A long time ago we were asked in this thread to speculate our Lavellan's reaction to finding out Solas was Fen'Harel and I said my Lavellan would be horrified, though not because of the Fen'Harel thing. But I couldn't explain why she would be horrified. What I just discussed would be one of the reasons.

 

Good thing she's more focused on redeeming him to think about it right now.

 

He also notes in the mage path/future redcliffe that he CAN die, in fact he doesn't really care if he does.  So I figure if there was a choice between joining his loved ones or not he'd choose to go with them.

 

*Now I'm sad* Dangit Solas why can't you value your own life?  It would be much easier to woo you if you did. Stupid noble selfless elf. Even his good qualities are adding to why he's making bad decisions.

[Flemmy]

I see that the "I hope we can knifemurder him" type of posts, and the "Solas must die" type of threads are sprouting everywhere on the forum, this thread included.

Maybe it's time to leave BSN forever.

I would prefer something more happier. And he is a good charater it's to bad to just kill him off.

[Eivuwan]

I look back at everything written yesterday now that I am in a coffee hangover and the only thing that keeps coming to my mind is why the hell are some people so intent on teaching us we are wrong for liking a character just because they don't like them or what they plan to do? Arguing the point over how Solas is doing something bad and wants to indirectly commit genocide as if we aren't very well aware of that fact. Pretending it's because we're silly girls besotted in love. Like, seriously?

You'd think some people could come here and have a good discussion about Solas's bad points without finishing it up with, "...and you're all bad for liking him anyway!" Pfft. I guess it's because those types of people are capable of understanding and empathizing with the character as part of the narrative and see no need to question how anyone can like the bad guy.

Still. Pfffft.

I think the mere act of debate makes some people more defensive and narrow minded than if they just stay away from the forums and think about it on their own for a bit. I also think we are more motivated to consider diverse aspects of solas' character because we like him so much.

[CapricornSun]

He also notes in the mage path/future redcliffe that he CAN die, in fact he doesn't really care if he does.  So I figure if there was a choice between joining his loved ones or not he'd choose to go with them.

 

*snip*

 

For some reason, I'm reminded of this quote from LOTR:

 

"I would rather share one lifetime with you than face all the ages of this world alone."

— Arwen, The Fellowship of the Ring

 

Ah, the feels.

 

EDIT: Oh hey! Top again!

 

Source: http://strikemidnigh.../youve-returned

 

[Lunapur]

"I would rather share one lifetime with you than face all the ages of this world alone."

Yes this Aww a girl can only dream to such beautiful ending 

[Vhenan Sequitur]

Good point. But Liara can have children that will equal her lifetime, so she's left with something. If Solas and Lavellan were to have children but the elves don't regain their immortality then there is no guarantee that any Solavellan children will be immortal.

 

There is a potential that Solas will not only have to watch his lover wither and die, but also his children, and grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc, etc, forever.

 

This is what bothers me about it anyway.

 

Yeah, this notion has certainly passed through my mind as well. If Solas is immortal and his beloved and descents are not then he will need to "endure" a good deal more loss. Outliving your spouse, children, grandchildren...is a very depressing thought from our perspective, but try to think of it from another point of view. Would a parents like to be able to care for their child their whole life? To see ALL their milestones, to hold their hand in times of grief and pain? I've occasionally thought how odd it will be to lie on my own death bed without my parents there to help me through it. It might be a weird thought, but it happens in my crazy brain. I've wondered if they feel some guilt for possibly leaving me alone in the world some day. Solas would never have to leave his descendants, and along with the pain would come a great many joys.  

 

In exchange for the grief he would have to endure he would have the rare privilege to be the caretaker, the voice of wisdom, the constant comfort for generations of his own family.

 

I'd still prefer my Lavellan to share forever with Solas, but if that's not possible then I could still see this alternative as a happy ending.

[Moirin]

He also notes in the mage path/future redcliffe that he CAN die, in fact he doesn't really care if he does.  So I figure if there was a choice between joining his loved ones or not he'd choose to go with them.

 

*Now I'm sad* Dangit Solas why can't you value your own life?  It would be much easier to woo you if you did. Stupid noble selfless elf. Even his good qualities are adding to why he's making bad decisions.

 

Oh yes, Solas CAN die, but he doesn't age. So for Solas to join Lavellan in the afterlife (so to speak) after her life ends he would have to kill himself. And he would still need to watch her age first.

 

It's stuff like this that makes me think, in a Solavellan romance our Lavellans may be in the best position to get him to stop his plans, in a way, but also, in a way, being in love with Lavellan might actually  be making him even more determined to "fix the elves".

 

But like I said, I wasn't trying to sway anyone here. If for anyone's Lavellan they see it as "better to have loved and lost then to have never loved" that's good! My Lavellan isn't so sure.

 

For some reason, I'm reminded of this quote from LOTR:

 

Ah yes, but she ended with a mortal lifespan after choosing to stay didn't she? I'm not sure Solas gets that option.

 

 

Yeah, this notion has certainly passed through my mind as well. If Solas is immortal and his beloved and descents are not then he will need to "endure" a good deal more loss. Outliving your spouse, children, grandchildren...is a very depressing thought from our perspective, but try to think of it from another point of view. Would a parents like to be able to care for their child their whole life? To see ALL their milestones, to hold their hand in times of grief and pain? I've occasionally thought how odd it will be to lay on my own death bed without my parents there to help me through it. It might be a weird thought, but it happens in my crazy brain. I've wondered if they feel some guilt for possibly leaving me alone in the world some day. Solas would never have to leave his descendants, and along with the pain would come a great many joys.  

 

In exchange for the grief he would have to endure he would have the rare privilege to be the caretaker, the voice of wisdom, the constant comfort for generations of his own family.

 

I'd still prefer my Lavellan to share forever with Solas, but if that's not possible then I could still see this alternative as a happy ending.

 

Oh trust me, I see it from that point of view too. As I said, I wasn't trying to change anyone's mind or sway anyone on their thoughts for how their Lavellan should proceed wish a Solavellan ending. Just sharing my Lavellan's opinion and her state of mind on the matter.

 

If you see that as a happy ending or not is a matter of opinion, to my Lavellan it's not, to someone else's it might be. And I have no idea if it is to Solas because I don't write him. But my guess is that it's not, considering he's already horrified at outliving all his friends, but that's just MY interpretation.

[Sable Rhapsody]

You'd think some people could come here and have a good discussion about Solas's bad points without finishing it up with, "...and you're all bad for liking him anyway!" Pfft. I guess it's because those types of people are capable of understanding and empathizing with the character as part of the narrative and see no need to question how anyone can like the bad guy.

 
It's the reverse of another fandom mentality, which is "...and you're all bad for not liking him."  Or "...and you're all bad for doing x, y, or z."  What you do in a video game is IMO a p*ss-poor moral barometer, but not everyone feels that way.
 

If you see that as a happy ending or not is a matter of opinion, to my Lavellan it's not, to someone else's it might be. And I have no idea if it is to Solas because I don't write him. But my guess is that it's not, considering he's already horrified at outliving all his friends, but that's just MY interpretation.

I've thought about the immortality thing a bit, but I don't think my Lavellan has, at all. She's got plenty on her plate what with learning to use her prosthetics and dealing with apocalypse boyfriend and Jenny-ing it up. Once she doesn't have to save the world again, she'll find a way to make it work with Solas.

And there might be a sort of compromise, where Lavellan's not truly immortal like Solas, but can extend her lifespan indefinitely via uthenera. Though that brings with it a whole new can of worms.  It's never simple with the egg.  But that's why we love him 

[Cee]

And now I think we've definitely shifted back to the feels part of the thread cycle.

[Cee]

Oh yes, Solas CAN die, but he doesn't age. So for Solas to join Lavellan in the afterlife (so to speak) after her life ends he would have to kill himself. And he would still need to watch her age first.

 

It's stuff like this that makes me think, in a Solavellan romance our Lavellans may be in the best position to get him to stop his plans, in a way, but also, in a way, being in love with Lavellan might actually  be making him even more determined to "fix the elves".

 

More determined? Because of her reminding him somehow of people/times long gone?

 

I take a liked/loved Inquisitor's impact on Solas to be a gateway to hope, however the actual Solavellan story is resolved (and if we have a choice).

[Sable Rhapsody]

More determined? Because of her reminding him somehow of people/times long gone?

 

Or because if he doesn't, she and others like her will live mortal lives and die while he carries on.

 

Though that's a bit incongruous with the whole "for my world to live, yours has to die" thing.  I waffle between whether he meant it literally or not.  Some lines, especially to Assquisitor, sound very literal indeed, whereas others might indicate a transformation of the world and the People rather than straight-up death.

[Cee]

I do appreciate that even with all of the accurate guesses we've collectively made and gone through, there's still enough vague to keep us intrigued.

 

It feels like a circle that is now 3/4 filled in. And that is good.

[Sah291]

Or because if he doesn't, she and others like her will live mortal lives and die while he carries on.

Though that's a bit incongruous with the whole "for my world to live, yours has to die" thing. I waffle between whether he meant it literally or not. Some lines, especially to Assquisitor, sound very literal indeed, whereas others might indicate a transformation of the world and the People rather than straight-up death.

He also says in one line "will likely die..."

So maybe he just doesn't know WTF will happen.
But the important thing is he thinks it's a big possibility, so I'm going to take it at face value until we know more.