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[Vhenan Sequitur]

 

Oh trust me, I see it from that point of view too. As I said, I wasn't trying to change anyone's mind or sway anyone on their thoughts for how their Lavellan should proceed wish a Solavellan ending. Just sharing my Lavellan's opinion and her state of mind on the matter.

 

If you see that as a happy ending or not is a matter of opinion, to my Lavellan it's not, to someone else's it might be. And I have no idea if it is to Solas because I don't write him. But my guess is that it's not, considering he's already horrified at outliving all his friends, but that's just MY interpretation.

I didn't feel you were trying to sway me; I was only offering my thoughts on the matter for discussion. I surmise most folks here would tend to agree with your take on the fallout of Solas being immortal and Lavellan being mortal--I even do for the most part. I like to shake things up. 

 

For Solas as he is now, certainly my "happy ending" would not be happy. Solas would have to have some serious character growth in order to come to terms with his immortality in a mortal world. That's part of his problem now. His fear of dying alone in the shem world is no doubt a small part of what motivates him to bring back elven immortality (although since he seems to think carrying out his plan will lead to his own death anyway who knows  ). If our protagonist is going to change his mind about his shenanigans in DA4 then Solas will have to grow/change his perspective. If such a change is possible his outliving his own descendants might not be unbearable for him. 

[Vlk3]

This discussion about mortality vs. immortality is truly depressing.
I feel so bad for Solas sometimes. I wouldn't be able to hate him, no matter what he did.
There should've been an option to hug him.

 

Edit: There should have been an option to hug him, while the Inquisitor still had both of her hands. (I'm not bitter, not at all )
 

[TheyCallMeBunny]

Yay, I've rejoined the land of the living again! 

 

On topic: Are we even sure that Solas is still immortal? I got the impression that it was when the fade and the waking world was separated that all elves lost their immortality, and that the only reason ancient elves like Solas and Abelas were still around and kicking was because they entered Uthanera. Were the elves truly inherently immortal, and if so why was it not passed on to their descendants?

 

Sorry if I'm not making any sense, I'm still feeling my cold quite a bit...

[Jayla]

Do we have confirmation that Solas is immortal right now?

 

He confirmed that the Veil going up is what made elves lose their immortality, so from that alone we can assume all current elves (including Solas and the sentinals) are mortal, but in TME it's confirmed that elves can sustain themselves* on something in the Fade so they don't require sustenance from the waking world while in Uthenera. And who knows the Fade better than our Fade nerd? So... could he be mortal now?

 

I know Solas definitely tearing down the Veil in the next game is a popular theory right now, but that's all it is. So (unless I'm wrong), he's mortal now, and will continue to be unless he's brings down the Veil. If he does succeed, then the assumption is all elves regain their immortality. The only problem I can see here is that something fundamental is different between the ancient elves and the modern ones which would make it impossible, but I haven't heard of anything to indicate that.

 

* Edit: I didn't finish the first paragraph. Basically assuming an elf can sustain themselves in the Fade (although it's implied not all learned how at the same rate) while in Uthenera, a mortal elf could keep themselves and their bodies alive.

[Vlk3]

He also says in one line "will likely die..."

So maybe he just doesn't know WTF will happen.
But the important thing is he thinks it's a big possibility, so I'm going to take it at face value until we know more.

Umm, maybe he's just being grim and fatalistic?    The last time he manipulated the Veil, a lot of people died, so he's got reasons for assuming the worst.

[Illyria]

I look back at everything written yesterday now that I am in a coffee hangover and the only thing that keeps coming to my mind is why the hell are some people so intent on teaching us we are wrong for liking a character just because they don't like them or what they plan to do? Arguing the point over how Solas is doing something bad and wants to indirectly commit genocide as if we aren't very well aware of that fact. Pretending it's because we're silly girls besotted in love. Like, seriously?

 

You'd think some people could come here and have a good discussion about Solas's bad points without finishing it up with, "...and you're all bad for liking him anyway!" Pfft. I guess it's because those types of people are capable of understanding and empathizing with the character as part of the narrative and see no need to question how anyone can like the bad guy.

 

Still. Pfffft.

 

This.

 

It seems anything women like is automatically lesser, and we only like it because our hormones affect our boobs or something.  I dunno.  Thinking is hard.  I should get a man to do that for me. </sarcasm>

 

For some reason, I'm reminded of this quote from LOTR:

 

 

 

I picture the Solavellan romance - pre Solas going veil destorying world of gremlins on us - as like Hohenheim and Trisha's relationship in Fullmetal Alchemist.

 

Fullmetal Spoilers:

Spoiler

After falling in love with Trisha Hohenheim's goal was to find a way to regain his mortality so he could grow old and die with her.

 

Actually, the two of them have a lot in common.

 

More Fullmetal Spoilers:

 

Spoiler

If the 'Solas was Mythal's slave' theory is correct then they both started off as slaves but were raised to a much higher status.

They both accidently caused the destruction of their civilisation (Solas due to the whole veil thing, Hohenheim due to the helping Homunculus make the transmuation circle).

Both of them have unique physical characteristics that set them apart from modern people (Solas is much bigger than modern elves, and Hohenheim has the Xerxes golden eyes and golden hair combination)

 

Both of them are non-violent thinkers who were hot blooded and cocky when they were younger.

 

Both of them fall in love with a mortal woman.  Dammit, Solas.  Couldn't you have gone the 'save the world' route like Hohenheim?

 

Both have a very close connection to god-like figures, and owe their powers to a very shady past.

 

Both of them accidently provided the bad guys with huge ammounts of power.

 

Both of them are seriously hot older men.

[Uirebhiril]

This.

 

It seems anything women like is automatically lesser, and we only like it because our hormones affect our boobs or something.  I dunno.  Thinking is hard.  I should get a man to do that for me. </sarcasm>

 

I wasn't coming at it from the "women are stupid" angle, mostly because there are guys around here that like Solas too despite his apocalyptic leanings. Which is why it's silly to assume that everyone who likes the character or posts in this thread is just a girl obsessed with the romance. The character is worth way more than a few kisses.

 

I wonder if the reason Solas is so rushed to do what he is doing is because he is mortal now, and if he dies then the whole of the ancient elves die with him. Like, millions of them trapped forever in uthenera, never more to wake. It's kind of tragic and horrifying to think on.

[Lunapur]

How does it end i have to go read this like now

[Illyria]

I wasn't coming at it from the "women are stupid" angle, mostly because there are guys around here that like Solas too despite his apocalyptic leanings. Which is why it's silly to assume that everyone who likes the character or posts in this thread is just a girl obsessed with the romance. The character is worth way more than a few kisses.

 

I wonder if the reason Solas is so rushed to do what he is doing is because he is mortal now, and if he dies then the whole of the ancient elves die with him. Like, millions of them trapped forever in uthenera, never more to wake. It's kind of tragic and horrifying to think on.

 

There seems to be quite a few anti-Solas people who do believe we're all hormonal woman, though.  And he does have a very large female fanbase.  I was agreeing with you and added my own sarcasm.

[Illyria]

How does it end i have to go read this like now

 

Are you replying to me?  Only it's not clear.

[Cee]

I wasn't coming at it from the "women are stupid" angle, mostly because there are guys around here that like Solas too despite his apocalyptic leanings. Which is why it's silly to assume that everyone who likes the character or posts in this thread is just a girl obsessed with the romance. The character is worth way more than a few kisses.

Sure, but that particular troll, and he wasn't alone, coming in and making posts about "crazy" women and writing letters to inmates and other terms that implied obsession and being gullible were aimed at women specifically. I can see why that angle would stick out.

 

edit: Or Illyria was in my head again and already said it.

[Vhenan Sequitur]

Do we have confirmation that Solas is immortal right now?

 

He confirmed that the Veil going up is what made elves lose their immortality, so from that alone we can assume all current elves (including Solas and the sentinals) are mortal, but in TME it's confirmed that elves can sustain themselves* on something in the Fade so they don't require sustenance from the waking world while in Uthenera. And who knows the Fade better than our Fade nerd? So... could he be mortal now?

 

I know Solas definitely tearing down the Veil in the next game is a popular theory right now, but that's all it is. So (unless I'm wrong), he's mortal now, and will continue to be unless he's brings down the Veil. If he does succeed, then the assumption is all elves regain their immortality. The only problem I can see here is that something fundamental is different between the ancient elves and the modern ones which would make it impossible, but I haven't heard of anything to indicate that.

 

* Edit: I didn't finish the first paragraph. Basically assuming an elf can sustain themselves in the Fade (although it's implied not all learned how at the same rate) while in Uthenera, a mortal elf could keep themselves and their bodies alive.

Thank you for the reminder. That's something else that's flitted through my mind on occasion--Solas not being immortal..in fact now that I think about it he probably isn't. He probably pulled his shenanigans set an alarm and went to sleep. Therefore, all our moaning about immortal Solas and mortal Lavellan is moot. Hooray! Here we go on the loop-de-loop of Solavellan crazy.

[Jayla]

I wonder if the reason Solas is so rushed to do what he is doing is because he is mortal now, and if he dies then the whole of the ancient elves die with him. Like, millions of them trapped forever in uthenera, never more to wake. It's kind of tragic and horrifying to think on.

 

Reminds me of his banter with Varric:

• Solas: How can you be happy surrendering, knowing it will all end with you? How can you not fight?
• Varric: I suppose it depends on the quality of the fermented fruit juice.

I can totally see Varric sitting in Kirkwall thinking "ASK ME AGAIN YOU LITTLE **** I'LL ANSWER YOU PROPERLY NOW."

[Cee]

Thank you for the reminder. That's something else that's flitted through my mind on occasion--Solas not being immortal..in fact now that I think about it he probably isn't. He probably pulled his shenanigans set an alarm and went to sleep. Therefore, all our moaning about immortal Solas and mortal Lavellan is moot. Hooray! Here we go on the loop-de-loop of Solavellan crazy.

 

I believe people have asked this of Weekes and it falls under "spoilers" so there has been no confirmation either way yet of mortality or lack of it on Solas' part. Uthenera has been used to heal and sustain, so it might preserve those within while others in the world have been the ones to suffer and change.

[Lunapur]

Are you replying to me?  Only it's not clear.

Oh yes i already asked my friend cuz he knows where to dld this manga series i never read one till now but this peaked my interest for sure

Just to make sure,is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Hiromu Arakawa yes?I google it

[Jayla]

Thank you for the reminder. That's something else that's flitted through my mind on occasion--Solas not being immortal..in fact now that I think about it he probably isn't. He probably pulled his shenanigans set an alarm and went to sleep. Therefore, all our moaning about immortal Solas and mortal Lavellan is moot. Hooray! Here we go on the loop-de-loop of Solavellan crazy.

 

That's the hellspiral you're experiencing there. C: Glad to pull you out of it.

 

Edit: Top. An oldie.

Source: http://chicinlicin.t...st-with-patrick

 

[Vhenan Sequitur]

I wonder if the reason Solas is so rushed to do what he is doing is because he is mortal now, and if he dies then the whole of the ancient elves die with him. Like, millions of them trapped forever in uthenera, never more to wake. It's kind of tragic and horrifying to think on.

Another Bioware theme being recycled...Solas is Javik only if he woke up sooner and attempted to save all the Protheans in stasis on Ilos...I now think this situation is likely.

[Illyria]

Oh yes i already asked my friend cuz he knows where to dld this manga series i never read one till now but this peaked my interest for sure

Just to make sure,is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Hiromu Arakawa yes?I google it

 

Yes.

 

And it is amazing.  There's also a fantastic anime called Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood which follows the manga's storyline.

[Cee]

I may have restarted Brotherhood. But it will take me a long while since it's also fall and shows I watch are back. In addition to still watching other things.

[Lunapur]

Yes.

 

And it is amazing.  There's also a fantastic anime called Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood which follows the manga's storyline.

Aww thank you much 

[Illyria]

Aww thank you much 

 

You're welcome.  I'm afraid that if you read my spoiler then that's a huge part of the story spoiled for you I hope you enjoy it anyway, though.  It's one of my favourite manga serise, and is filled with strong and interesting female characters!

[Illyria]

I may have restarted Brotherhood. But it will take me a long while since it's also fall and shows I watch are back. In addition to still watching other things.

 

[Cee]

Why are fluffy things such a pain to try and write? Meanwhile, feels feels feels feels....that can sometimes just pour right out.

[TheyCallMeBunny]

I wasn't coming at it from the "women are stupid" angle, mostly because there are guys around here that like Solas too despite his apocalyptic leanings. Which is why it's silly to assume that everyone who likes the character or posts in this thread is just a girl obsessed with the romance. The character is worth way more than a few kisses.

 

I wonder if the reason Solas is so rushed to do what he is doing is because he is mortal now, and if he dies then the whole of the ancient elves die with him. Like, millions of them trapped forever in uthenera, never more to wake. It's kind of tragic and horrifying to think on.

 

It would explain why Solas greatest fear is dying alone - it would ultimately mean that he failed his fellow elves who either die of old age or remain stuck in Uthenara. 

[Uirebhiril]

Another Bioware theme being recycled...Solas is Javik only if he woke up sooner and saved all the Protheans in stasis on Ilos...I now think this situation is likely.

 

Driving through that tomb in ME about killed me with the grief and tragedy of so much loss. Vigil's Theme still gets me every time I hear it.

 

Which, if those coffin things really were elves in uthenera and we flooded them with a lake, I really feel bad now.