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[dragondreamer]

Best elf?  Fenris?

 

I saw Felassan's feelings for Briala as a paternal sort of love rather than romantic. 

[Cee]

I thought that TME and Asunder were the best-written of all the Dragon Age books.  And yes, I had a lot of Felassan feels.

 

Anyone else get the weird feeling that Felassan was into Briala, kind of?  I wonder if she were strictly lesbian or bisexual?  Felassan would have been a healthier relationship for her than Celene, is all I'm saying--but obviously it wouldn't happen if she were only into women.

 

 

[Brass_Buckles]

I've been going over the Trespasser dialogue a bit lately and realized that Solas may have some serious issues with self-esteem. I think he needs some good PR or something...Can't get this song out of my head:



He created the Veil to save the wold, yet he never takes credit for "saving the wold", only the negative unforeseen consequences...He never stops being grim and fatalistic. It's really tragic...

Also "destroying the world" is clearly a metaphor during the dialogue in which he states (paraphrasing), "In creating the veil...I freed/saved the elves, but I destroyed the world." Quizzy may then respond with "How did creating the Veil destroy the world? To which he responds with describing the Shattered Library and other fade-sustained wonders like it....IMO, that's nothing close to "destroying the world" or "killing everyone on the planet especially anyone who isn't an elf."

He also blames himself...not the creation of the Veil, but said "It was me" that took away the elves' immortality...Those are not the ravings of a Pride Demon. He is not proud of anything he has done..not even the good things...

 

You know, I had thought of this after Trespasser, and I never really discussed it.

 

But basically, everything fell apart when the Veil went up, because the Fade wasn't there to glue it all together, so to speak.  If the Veil comes down, does everything all start putting itself back together?  If so, then... yeah, that could cause problems.  It could destroy the world.  Imagine you're some random person in the Hinterlands out for a bit of fishing on the lake.  Suddenly the lake just breaks loose from the ground and flies into the sky, with you in it.  Not only would that be terrifying, but you can't get back down.

 

I expect a lot of stuff like that would happen if Solas succeeds.  The elves had floating castles and similar wonders, after all.

[drosophila]

You know, I had thought of this after Trespasser, and I never really discussed it.

But basically, everything fell apart when the Veil went up, because the Fade wasn't there to glue it all together, so to speak. If the Veil comes down, does everything all start putting itself back together? If so, then... yeah, that could cause problems. It could destroy the world. Imagine you're some random person in the Hinterlands out for a bit of fishing on the lake. Suddenly the lake just breaks loose from the ground and flies into the sky, with you in it. Not only would that be terrifying, but you can't get back down.

I expect a lot of stuff like that would happen if Solas succeeds. The elves had floating castles and similar wonders, after all.

Someone pointed out to me once that there are rocks floating in the sky in future Redcliffe.

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Trespasser: “You’re real, and it means everyone could be real. It changes everything, but it can’t.” (Solavellan) Gorgeous artwork.

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Source: http://pollencount.t...e-could-be-real

 

 

Trespasser: “I don’t want to die like this and lose everything Solas…i’m so scared…i want to be with you, I don’t want you to forget me…”

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Source: http://unverzed.tumb...lose-everything

 

 

Trespasser: Solas done for Inktober.

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Source: http://pembroke.tumb...l-see-how-far-i

 

 

"You work too much." (Solavellan)

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Source: http://trulynocturna...-is-a-wonderful

 

 

 

Solas and Lavellan kissing. (There be butt grabs. )

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Source: http://hellathen-fen...-the-drawings-i

 

 

Fluffy art of Solas and Lavellan in an embrace.

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Source: http://destinyaposta...solavellan-hell

 

 

Another adorable fluffy Solavellan.

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Source: http://lillotte17.tu...was-immediately

 

 

Solas and Lavellan WIP.

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Source: http://harellanart.t...mputer-randomly

 

 

Solas sketch. (Nice!)

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Source: http://patchesdraws....10/solas-sketch

 

 

Solas in his Hierophant outfit done for Inktober. By aicosu.

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Source: http://aicosu.tumblr...l-this-inktober

 

 

Solas in a sweater with a fried egg pattern.

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Source: http://niklisson.tum...g-pattern-on-it

 

 

Fen'Harel, the Golden Dread Nug! (Don't ask...)

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Source: http://sketchglee.tu...g-i-didnt-quite

 

 

[Brass_Buckles]

Someone pointed out to me once that there are rocks floating in the sky in future Redcliffe.

 

Well, I don't expect Solas!Future will look like Corypheus!Future.  But floating rocks are totally possible.  You can imagine great castles in the clouds.  Entire lakes so high in the air that the waterfalls that come from them evaporate before they ever reach the ground.  Structures made entirely of glittering crystal that catches the light and maybe even is set just so that at certain times of day, the sun hits it just so for some spectacular effects.

 

Also?  You know how the CHant of Light goes on about the Maker's first children (spirits) and how they don't create anything of their own?

 

Well, spirits turn into elves, who made lots of wonders all their own.  And Solas seems to believe that such ideas originate in the Fade, implying spirits do think of their own things.  But my point is, Spirits = Elves = Elves being the Maker's First Children. Sort of.  Assuming one gives much credence to the Chant.  After all, the Maker supposedly created the Veil, but in reality that was Solas.  Solas is probably not the Maker!  If he were, then I suppose that line about hoping Cassandra's Maker is worthy would be supremely ironic.

[figment_]

You know, I had thought of this after Trespasser, and I never really discussed it.
 
But basically, everything fell apart when the Veil went up, because the Fade wasn't there to glue it all together, so to speak.  If the Veil comes down, does everything all start putting itself back together?  If so, then... yeah, that could cause problems.  It could destroy the world.  Imagine you're some random person in the Hinterlands out for a bit of fishing on the lake.  Suddenly the lake just breaks loose from the ground and flies into the sky, with you in it.  Not only would that be terrifying, but you can't get back down.
 
I expect a lot of stuff like that would happen if Solas succeeds.  The elves had floating castles and similar wonders, after all.

That's an interesting thought (has images of floating lakes stuck in her mind)

But...I think the unchanging-world's laws of physics will still apply...I really think he is being negative, pessimistic and speaking metaphorically throughout the whole conversation...

[drosophila]

That's an interesting thought (has images of floating lakes stuck in her mind)

But...I think the unchanging-world's laws of physics will still apply...I really think he is being negative, pessimistic and speaking metaphorically throughout the whole conversation...

But we see the laws of the Fade override the laws of physics whenever anyone casts a spell. We also see those floating rocks when we travel in the future. It might be a different future than what Solas intends, but it shows that if the Veil is torn, the laws of physics do not in fact apply.

What evidence is there that he's speaking metaphorically? I think when he says everyone will likely die, he means it.

[Moirin]

Did anyone actually create a backstory that was sort of fluffy and unassuming for their Lavellan? Maybe some of the really young ones, I guess could lean that way.

 

Not for my Lavellan. My Hawke and my Warden (my main ones anyway) had happy backgrounds, up until their game at least.

But I think even if a few very sad things happened in my Lavellan's background she was still happy overall. Most of the sad stuff was when she was young (before/around 10) so she doesn't remember too well or has gotten time to get over it. Her background did leave her with some abandonment issues though.

 

 

He really is the Best Elf.

 

Indeed.

[drosophila]

My Lavellan has a sad background. At the beginning of the game she's this very empty person.

[Moirin]

I think it's hard to have a completely happy background when you are an elf to be honest.

[drosophila]

I think it's hard to have a completely happy background when you are an elf to be honest.

True

Though the same could be said for mages of any race. And poor people of any race. And the nobles mired in intrigue. And most people during a Blight. Yeah, come to think of it, Thedas is so messed up, isn't it funny we use it for escapism?

[Brass_Buckles]

True

Though the same could be said for mages of any race. And poor people of any race. And the nobles mired in intrigue. And most people during a Blight. Yeah, come to think of it, Thedas is so messed up, isn't it funny we use it for escapism?

 

I am reminded of that one NPC outside the Circle of Magi in DA:O.  I forget his exact quote but it involved boils on his behind, I think.

[figment_]

But we see the laws of the Fade override the laws of physics whenever anyone casts a spell. We also see those floating rocks when we travel in the future. It might be a different future than what Solas intends, but it shows that if the Veil is torn, the laws of physics do not in fact apply.

What evidence is there that he's speaking metaphorically? I think when he says everyone will likely die, he means it.

Re: Your question, please see my first post on this page, also (IMO) the entire dialogue in Trespasser, and most of what he says throughout the main game...

Regarding floating lakes, castles and rocks, etc. for that to occur those things had to be created/ designed by someone/something through will and intent using magic. Lakes that have always been part of the unchanging world will stay where they always have been, not " float into the sky".

Also we are not talking about a violent tear in the veil here, we are talking about an unnatural construction being completely removed from within by it's creator, in an attempt to restore the world to it's natural, pre-veil state.

Edit: If Solas literally "destroyed the world" and "killed everyone" instead of speaking metaphorically, how can anyone's Quizzy exist? How did Solas survive?

[Sable Rhapsody]

I think it's hard to have a completely happy background when you are an elf to be honest.

 

True.  I went for "as normal as possible" rather than totally happy.  Lavellan's still Dalish, so she shares all the trials and hardships of her people.  Mine just doesn't have backstory sadness particular to her on top of all that.

 

True

Though the same could be said for mages of any race. And poor people of any race. And the nobles mired in intrigue. And most people during a Blight. Yeah, come to think of it, Thedas is so messed up, isn't it funny we use it for escapism?

 

Messed up, yes, but being able to throw lightning at fools is so deeply satisfying 

[Brass_Buckles]

Re: Your question, please see my first post on this page, also (IMO) the entire dialogue in Trespasser, and most of what he says throughout the main game...

Regarding floating lakes, castles and rocks, etc. for that to occur those things had to be created/ designed by someone/something through will and intent using magic. Lakes that have always been part of the unchanging world will stay where they always have been, not " float into the sky".

Also we are not talking about a violent tear in the veil here, we are talking about an unnatural construction being completely removed from within by it's creator, in an attempt to restore the world to it's natural, pre-veil state.

 

There's actually some evidence already that this sort of thing will happen, though.  Remember the Crossroads?  Remember how rock would appear beneath your feet after you charged up those egg-looking things?  Cole says something about the place/rocks remembering being there.  So... things that fell from the sky because the Veil came up, will probably start to float again if the Veil goes away.  There will also suddenly be places present that might not have even existed when the Veil was there.

 

And it strikes me that might be kind of fascinating from a gameplay standpoint, if you could somehow have the ability to see how things were/would be (without the Veil), using a special ability, versus how things actually are (with the Veil in place).

 

Edited to add:  Any reappearing/recovered place thanks to No Veil, will likely still have suffered lots of damage.  That might take time to fix, or may not be repairable at all.

[Ghost Gal]

You know....it dawns on me that the a lot of Lavellans who romance Solas must not have the....happiest of relationship history? 

 

To be fair, most of us didn't know that his relationship would take a tragic turn when we first pursued him. *shrug*

 

Personally, I imagined my Lavellan was very young, asexual, and had never loved anyone romantically before. J Sheridan Le Fanu wrote, "Young people tend to like, and even love, on impulse," and that stuck with me. I remember when I was that young and loved for the first time, how I threw myself into love because I'd never experienced the sting of rejection and breakups, so I didn't develop any emotional callouses for them. "The first cut is the deepest," as they say. My girl fell fast and hard for Solas and threw her whole heart and soul into the relationship, so she was unprepared for any hurt when he walked away.

 

Did anyone actually create a backstory that was sort of fluffy and unassuming for their Lavellan? Maybe some of the really young ones, I guess could lean that way.

 

For the most part. I imagine her life with the Dalish was very idyllic, happy and free, with more happy memories than sad ones. (I personally imagine that Solas witnessed a lot of her childhood memories in the Fade, which was what prompted him to ask if the Anchor had changed her and declaring she had a marvelous spirit, and for every one sad memory he saw there were four or five happy ones.)

 

I think the worst of her childhood was that her mother was a city elf who never really adapted to Dalish life, and eventually left the Dalish when she realized she missed the alignage too much. (The city elf thing is meant to explain why we don't have a Dalish accent. ) While my girl knows logically that her mother loved her and left for her own reasons, part of her still feels like, "she hated the Dalish more than she loved me." Since she identifies as Dalish, hearing people she loves constantly badmouth them (first her mother when she was with them, then Sera and Solas when she was with the Inquisition) felt they were rejecting her. Solas also picked the worst possible time to break up since immediately after she declined to let him remove her vallaslin, he ended things. 

 

Lavellan: "Wait, what? I say no to you altering my face, and just like that, we're done?!"

 

Cole: "She feels her face, marked, marred without malice. She didn't know. She thinks it's why you walked away."

[dragondreamer]

My canon Lavellan had a happy, and fairly idyllic life for a Dalish, though she was considered to be rather eccentric, even to her liberal clan.  She was 36 at DA:I start though.  There was no big drama in her life until the conclave turned her world on its head.

 

My male Lavellan was a different story, though he's younger, at 27.  His early life wasn't so bad, he was something of a hooligan, but nothing traumatic.  But in the years leading up to DA:I, his wife and son died, and he was living apart from the clan (although still nearby).  He was in a serious depression state for a year or so, until the events leading to the conclave.  He was sent in large part because the Keeper thought it would be good for him to get away.  And it was.  His background influences some of his decisions and how he developed, like why he ended up atheist and why he wouldn't let Morrigan drink from the Well despite not wanting it himself.

[drosophila]

Messed up, yes, but being able to throw lightning at fools is so deeply satisfying

Good point!

Hey, figment, I'm very sorry and I don't mean to be disrespectful , but I have to wake up early :-/ so I'm off to bed and can't continue our discussion. I apologize, it's my fault that I responded in the first place, knowing it's so late here. But others have already taken up your counter argument and I'm sure the topic will come up again

[figment_]

There's actually some evidence already that this sort of thing will happen, though.  Remember the Crossroads?  Remember how rock would appear beneath your feet after you charged up those egg-looking things?  Cole says something about the place/rocks remembering being there.  So... things that fell from the sky because the Veil came up, will probably start to float again if the Veil goes away.  There will also suddenly be places present that might not have even existed when the Veil was there.
 
And it strikes me that might be kind of fascinating from a gameplay standpoint, if you could somehow have the ability to see how things were/would be (without the Veil), using a special ability, versus how things actually are (with the Veil in place).
 
Edited to add:  Any reappearing/recovered place thanks to No Veil, will likely still have suffered lots of damage.  That might take time to fix, or may not be repairable at all.

My opinion is that since those places were constructed, likely by the ancient elves, they would most likely have to be reconstructed or rebuilt because they were destroyed. I don't see it being possible for the places to reconstruct themselves of their own volition out of dust and pebbles, especially after thousands of years. Those dragon-egg things and the crossroads that we saw were what remained? And the eggy things were enchanted or magical in nature???

[figment_]

Good point!
Hey, figment, I'm very sorry and I don't mean to be disrespectful , but I have to wake up early :-/ so I'm off to bed and can't continue our discussion. I apologize, it's my fault that I responded in the first place, knowing it's so late here. But others have already taken up your counter argument and I'm sure the topic will come up again

No problem..completely understandable...'Night

Please note it's really late here too and I may be totally delirious!

[Cee]

Personally, I imagined my Lavellan was very young, asexual, and had never loved anyone romantically before. J Sheridan Le Fanu wrote, "Young people tend to like, and even love, on impulse," and that stuck with me. I remember when I was that young and loved for the first time, how I threw myself into love because I'd never experienced the sting of rejection and breakups, so I didn't develop any emotional callouses for them. "The first cut is the deepest," as they say. My girl fell fast and hard for Solas and threw her whole heart and soul into the relationship, so she was unprepared for any hurt when he walked away.

 

It's definitely the most innocent and yet boldly impulsive time, and for me, it has been a good experience to try and get back into that mindset to write about Nirwen's first love at 16.

 

The first time I wrote about her and Nehn, it was within a Solavellan story, which essentially framed the flashback. But I enjoyed writing about them so much, and felt like there was a lot more to explore, that I started writing a few things about just the two of them. I see her past before DAI as mostly a normal/ relatively happy Dalish life, despite the cultural elements that caused some conflict. I took cues from the game but I headcanon her as having this bold streak, so it's in character to accept she feels fear but also to declare that she's going to follow her heart.

 

With Solas, she had been through heartbreak before, so in a sense, she had that strength, but she threw herself into it with a similar boldness and wholeness. Though she had other things in between, it's both of these loves that are life changing for her.

[FernRain]

I'm sitting at a party surreptitiously reading the Solas thread.. What is my life .

[Solas]

I'm sitting at a party surreptitiously reading the solas thread.. What is my life .

yall mothafuckas need andraste 

[Cee]

yall mothafuckas need andraste 

What we need is to whap Solas with the magical feather duster of sense and drag him back into the blanket fort and show him the world has frilly cakes and good things within it.

 

But, failing that, reading the thread while around isn't a bad idea. I was doing so on the subway the other night when the wi-fi would connect.