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[Colonelkillabee]

I have a hard time understanding hate, myself. Not liking a character is one thing, despising their plans is another, following along with dislike for an antagonist is expected. But acting emotional and personally harmed or betrayed by what the potential bad guy is going to do is really kind of odd to me. I guess there must be something to a dumb old bald elf taking a sense of agency away from some people who are used to being the hero in control of everything. Roleplaying your Inquisitor as being really p*ssed and just waiting for the chance to kill Solas is different than acting like Solas came into the real world and kicked your dog.

 

Of course, a lot of us had mixed feelings right after Trespasser, so if someone's just finished and don't know what they are feeling I fully understand that. I was there once myself.

I mean, your character does learn that he's the cause of all this and because of him, you lose your hand, even if it had to happen to save you. Since it'd still be there if not for his plans.

 

Then you're left with the knowledge that Solas may undo the very thing you spent a year repairing, and he was working beside you all that time. This kinda reminds me of Prison Break, and what Michael Scofield did to the Warden. Even though it was necessary that he betrayed his trust, it left the Warden with hate because he felt like a fool.

 

I understand this hate and hate in general, mainly because I'm a vindictive individual.

[NeverlandHunter]

Yup. Although I understand if people felt that way right after playing trespasser. It did take me a couple of days to rethink the situation. Blame Solas for being vague.

I remember when you came onto the thread upset at Solas and we all had to convince you of his greatness X)

I have a hard time understanding hate, myself. Not liking a character is one thing, despising their plans is another, following along with dislike for an antagonist is expected. But acting emotional and personally harmed or betrayed by what the potential bad guy is going to do is really kind of odd to me. I guess there must be something to a dumb old bald elf taking a sense of agency away from some people who are used to being the hero in control of everything. Roleplaying your Inquisitor as being really p*ssed and just waiting for the chance to kill Solas is different than acting like Solas came into the real world and kicked your dog.

 

Of course, a lot of us had mixed feelings right after Trespasser, so if someone's just finished and don't know what they are feeling I fully understand that. I was there once myself.

We spend hours on BSN contemplating all that is Solas, our free time writing fanfiction and making fan art about Solas. We love him, our Lavellan's love him.

Now is it really that hard to see the reverse?

[Cee]

It's not that unpopular, and I agree. I'm unfazed by Solas hate, but it's also a waste of my time to read about it or argue when it seems that most people who purely hate him do so due to emotional reasoning. It's also annoying if people come here to rant throughtlessly. 

 

As for hate being justified - it doesn't make sense to purely hate him, but people still do because of emotions, and sure, their emotions are justified. It would be a boring game if you could only play it one way and everyone would hold the same opinion.

 

i don't think any of us are bothered by negative opinions. There are multiple valid arguments people can make to feel negatively about Solas or not like him or what he aims to do, his personality, etc. We've been over pretty much all of it in here, even just amongst regulars.

 

That said, there are definitely some who rant thoughtlessly or who clearly don't understand the various facets of his character, maybe didn't use him much and have a very heavy dislike that's the product of his distant and nasty statements if he dislikes you. I have a friend who pretty much  never used him. She laughs at my feelings, though not maliciously, from inability to relate.

[Eivuwan]

I remember when you came onto the thread upset at Solas and we all had to convince you of his greatness X)

We spend hours on BSN contemplating all that is Solas, our free time writing fanfiction and making fan art about Solas. We love him, our Lavellan's love him.

Now is it really that hard to see the reverse?

 

Yeah lol and looking back, a few of my comments seem silly.

[Lynroy: Final Edition]

Here comes **UNPOPULAR OPINION**

The Solas hate really doesn't bother me, I like the fact that people care about his character (unlike say Corypheus's) even if it passionate fiery hate.

Plus, to be fair my Solas loving friends, people's hate of Solas isn't entirely unjustified. I see many good reasons people hate him, I don't, but that's because I have an overly optimistic Lavellan pulling me through and I can appreciate him as a well written and interesting character. 

I'm fine with the Solas hate. I have plenty of forum friends chomping at the bit to kill him and it's fun for me to engage them in discussions about his character. It's when forum users start attacking anyone that says something good about Solas with "you just want that elven booty", "you only say that because you romanced him", "your avatar shows your inquisitor smooching Solas so clearly you are biased", etc. that it starts to annoy me.

[drosophila]

I was just curious......

 

.....and don't get me wrong....I understand if someone doesn't like Solas. Okay, cool......some people actually present it in reasonable format.

 But some of the stuff out there......it's like reading angry whispers from someone who took the time to hop factions in WoW just to whisper you about how angry they are that you killed them 3 times in a BG.

 

Like WTF.

 

Format is everything, IMO. Hate all you want, but don't offend those who disagree, or make sweeping generalizations about a group of fans, or use emotionally loaded words. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, everyone's incredibly reasonable in this thread. 

[Uirebhiril]

I understand this hate and hate in general, mainly because I'm a vindictive individual.

 

At least you're totally you.

[NeverlandHunter]

Complete coincidence, I assure you.

 

I've no problem with emotions (I might feel some of them when I read about Felassan). And people can RP whatever they want, I RP a borderline sociopath for fun, I just try to make it clear when it's RP, so I talk about her in 3rd person

I think we all roleplay borderline sociopaths even when we don't mean to XD

This has been posted here before but here go again anyway

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I think some people have a harder time seperating themselves and their feelings from their characters.

 

I was just curious......

 

.....and don't get me wrong....I understand if someone doesn't like Solas. Okay, cool......some people actually present it in reasonable format.

 But some of the stuff out there......it's like reading angry whispers from someone who took the time to hop factions in WoW just to whisper you about how angry they are that you killed them 3 times in a BG.

 

Like WTF.

Anger makes people irrational  and it's easy to rant on the internet. You don't have to bottle up your emotions, you can just let the flood gates open and everything spill out.

[drosophila]

I think we all roleplay borderline sociopaths even when we don't mean to XD

 

And that's why I love you, my fellow gremlins   

[Colonelkillabee]

 

This has been posted here before but here go again anyway

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ROFL

[NeverlandHunter]

Yeah lol and looking back, a few of my comments seem silly.

Your anger was perfectly justified  that a** took your life before the Breach, your heart, your arm, and your trust then apologized before giving half-a**ed answers (and many many more questions) and sexy walking away from you.

 

Format is everything, IMO. Hate all you want, but don't offend those who disagree, or make sweeping generalizations about a group of fans, or use emotionally loaded words. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, everyone's incredibly reasonable in this thread.

I think that's the first time I'm ever been called that!  Next time my friends say I'm being irrational I'm going to tell them my internet friend said I was incredibly reasonable (while leaving out that she was giving a broad compliment to multiple people).

[Lynroy: Final Edition]

i don't think any of us are bothered by negative opinions. There are multiple valid arguments people can make to feel negatively about Solas or not like him or what he aims to do, his personality, etc. We've been over pretty much all of it in here, even just amongst regulars.

 

That said, there are definitely some who rant thoughtlessly or who clearly don't understand the various facets of his character, maybe didn't use him much and have a very heavy dislike that's the product of his distant and nasty statements if he dislikes you. I have a friend who pretty much  never used him. She laughs at my feelings, though not maliciously, from inability to relate.

I actually do have a friend that hated Solas from the start. She just never got along with the guy. Never took him anywhere, never did his personal quest. After being around me for a bit, she decided to start a new character and try to get along with Solas. She was surprised to find she actually kinda liked the guy. She definitely wants to kill him after Trespasser, but she was able to understand his character more and see him differently than she had originally. 

[drosophila]

I think that's the first time I'm ever been called that!  Next time my friends say I'm being irrational I'm going to tell them my internet friend said I was incredibly reasonable (while leaving out that she was giving a broad compliment to multiple people).

 

Well, I kiinda meant reasonable by internet standards.   But no worries, you have earned your compliment, I personally can't believe someone would take my opinion seriously.

[NeverlandHunter]

And that's why I love you, 

Aw

 my fellow gremlins   

HATE

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[Cee]

I actually do have a friend that hated Solas from the start. She just never got along with the guy. Never took him anywhere, never did his personal quest. After being around me for a bit, she decided to start a new character and try to get along with Solas. She was surprised to find she actually kinda liked the guy. She definitely wants to kill him after Trespasser, but she was able to understand his character more and see him differently than she had originally. 

 

That friend is a lost cause because she sold the game. It's the boyfriend that might be the most frustrating because he is always bashing the game, saying it's terrible, but also doesn't want me to spoil anything. And he loves characters that have serious gray areas. We have this ongoing debate over KOTOR 2

 

decade old spoiler?

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and how I hated Kreia in that game and I want to bring up Solas as how to do something a bit similar - flipping the story on its head and an antagonist who was with you the whole time and important and the overall cause of things and who is trying to fix certain mistakes based on some extreme belief that what the person wants to do will be better somehow and 'save' some. He loves Kreia and I want to make the counter argument but won't let me spoil anything. Grrr 

 

I think he'd change his mind, at least somewhat, if he'd just play the damn thing or let me spoil it.

[drosophila]

Aw

HATE

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General Armstrong!       I... I'm so excited, I don't know what to say! Yes, ma'am, you can totally kick my a**, it would be my honor!

 

Edit: Top Solas! From incorrectdragonage.

[ChuChu]

-heavily pets her new GTX 980 ti card-

I'm sorry... what were we all talking about here?

Solas?

I'll name my card Solas.

But for realsies! When it comes to 'hating' a character... I don't get it. I think that's because I (and many of you) look behind the veil and think, wow. They did a really good job with that character. Telling someone to hate a villain is one thing -- making them feel it is another. 

On that note I don't think Solas is a villain at all. He's just beautifully grey... and a derp with the best intentions.

 

[NeverlandHunter]

Well, I kiinda meant reasonable by internet standards.   But no worries, you have earned your compliment, I personally can't believe someone would take my opinion seriously.

Haha, it's because I have time to formulate arguments and think things through before I type something out   face to face debating is hard. My words get all twisted up and I don't have time to double check facts before I throw them out.

 

Your opinion is very valuable drosophila   especially when it's compliments directed at me!

[Cee]

Well, I kiinda meant reasonable by internet standards.   But no worries, you have earned your compliment, I personally can't believe someone would take my opinion seriously.

 

Hey, some of us are reasonable all over the place.

 

 

Listening to the fluffiest of pop music via that playlist I found the other day and it's helping. I'm a bit stalled for the moment, but the in-story laundry has been taken care of.

 

edit: playlist http://songza.com/li...art-pop-songza/

[Eivuwan]

-heavily pets her new GTX 980 ti card-

I'm sorry... what were we all talking about here?

Solas?

I'll name my card Solas.

But for realsies! When it comes to 'hating' a character... I don't get it. I think that's because I (and many of you) look behind the veil and think, wow. They did a really good job with that character. Telling someone to hate a villain is one thing -- making them feel it is another. 

On that note I don't think Solas is a villain at all. He's just beautifully grey... and a derp with the best intentions.

 

 

I am jealous even though I don't actually need such a powerful card

[drosophila]

I'll name my card Solas.

 

Ummm, are you sure? Don't be surprised if you get an error message that your card is very sorry it has to blow up your computer, and in the raw chaos build a small army of self-replicating robots, setting off the grey goo apocalypse scenario.

[NeverlandHunter]

General Armstrong!       I... I'm so excited, I don't know what to say! Yes, ma'am, you can totally kick my a**, it would be my honor!

She's so awesome and possibly a sociopath too one of my all time favorite female anime characters! My brother-in-law prefers FMA over FMA: Broterhood and I was arguing about that with him and he said,

"You just like it more because of the female general."

...

Not true, but he caught me off guard because that was going to be my first argument for FMA: Brotherhood!

 

-heavily pets her new GTX 980 ti card-

I'm sorry... what were we all talking about here?

Solas?

I'll name my card Solas.

But for realsies! When it comes to 'hating' a character... I don't get it. I think that's because I (and many of you) look behind the veil and think, wow. They did a really good job with that character. Telling someone to hate a villain is one thing -- making them feel it is another. 

On that note I don't think Solas is a villain at all. He's just beautifully grey... and a derp with the best intentions.

 

I loaaaaaaatthhhhhe Anders, I hated Howe, dislike Loghain, wanted to put Harrowmont and Bhelen in a dark hole in the Deep Roads and never let them out, I wanted to violently bash sense into Orsino's skull with a crowbar, and I still wish I had the chance to lock Elthina in a room with no one but Isolde for company for the next couple decades.

 

Characters give me a multitude of feelings 

[drosophila]

She's so awesome and possibly a sociopath too one of my all time favorite female anime characters! My brother-in-law prefers FMA over FMA: Broterhood and I was arguing about that with him and he said,

"You just like it more because of the female general."

...

Not true, but he caught me off guard because that was going to be my first argument for FMA: Brotherhood!

 

I like the 2003 anime more, but the general is one of the greatest things about Brotherhood. Also Winry. The 2003 anime did nothing with Winry, it was a shame. 

[Cee]

I love Winry and it really was terrible how shoved aside she was, so looking forward to eventually working my way through Brotherhood. I only read some of the manga because the scans site I used to read way back when was shut down.

[drosophila]

I love Winry and it really was terrible how shoved aside she was, so looking forward to eventually working my way through Brotherhood. I only read some of the manga because the scans site I used to read way back when was shut down.

 

Is it manga psyren? I was going to recommend it to you, then went to double check and saw it was shut down