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[Mairemalley]

Is the info in the tabletop game considered canon? Cuz of it is, I'm....concerned.
Sidenote:I'm too stupid to bold text like a reasonable person.
Mythallen, an "abomination" dalish hunter. His name is translated as "child of vengeance", and it's even pointed out by another character that this is weird, because Mythal is not the God of vengeance, Elgar'nan is.

Huh, said I, and kept reading. Then he is described as "a creature of rage and hate and a never ending thirst for vengeance. [b]He may espouse concern for his people, for the injustices they have suffered[\bold]...instead he enslaves, [bold]yoking others to his revenge, transiring them into little more than weapons, extensions of his will.[\b]]

This...this does sound like Mythal. She's been manipulating people and events for centuries to bring about her "reckoning that will shake the very heavens". One definition given for reckoning is "retribution" AKA vengeance.

"She does not show him favour and will [bold]let[\bold] Elgar'nan judge him."
Let? So, Mythal is apparently holding the keys on the head of the pantheon and God of vengeance. She doesn't "decline to plead on his behalf", she doesn't "refuse to intervene". Nope. She ALLOWS Elgie to do the judging. As though her say is required.

Which might be weird, unless (tinfoil securely on head, please) Mythal IS Elgar'nan. Elgie is as much a title as Fen'Harel, representing a (arguably negative) side of Mythal like Fen'Harel is a side of Solas. So Mythal is both justice and its perversion, revenge.

To get even more cookoo, that's what she and Solas were apologizing to each other for. Solas for Mythal's corruption, for want of a better word, and Mythal fo Solas's impending corruption.

Please tell me I've just completely lost my mind! Please.

[MayriyaNoori]

Is the info in the tabletop game considered canon? Cuz of it is, I'm....concerned.

Mythallen, an "abomination" dalish hunter. His name is translated as "child of vengeance", and it's even pointed out by another character that this is weird, because Mythal is not the God of vengeance, Elgar'nan is.

Huh, said I, and kept reading. Then he is described as "a creature of rage and hate and a never ending thirst for vengeance. [b]He may espouse concern for his people, for the injustices they have suffered[\bold]...instead he enslaves, [bold]yoking others to his revenge, transiring them into little more than weapons, extensions of his will.[\b]]

This...this does sound like Mythal. She's been manipulating people and events for centuries to bring about her "reckoning that will shake the very heavens". One definition given for reckoning is "retribution" AKA vengeance.

"She does not show him favour and will [bold]let[\bold] Elgar'nan judge him."
Let? So, Mythal is apparently holding the keys on the head of the pantheon and God of vengeance. She doesn't "decline to plead on his behalf", she doesn't "refuse to intervene". Nope. She ALLOWS Elgie to do the judging. As though her say is required.

Which might be weird, unless (tinfoil securely on head, please) Mythal IS Elgar'nan. Elgie is as much a title as Fen'Harel, representing a (arguably negative) side of Mythal like Fen'Harel is a side of Solas. So Mythal is both justice and its perversion, revenge.

To get even more cookoo, that's what she and Solas were apologizing to each other for. Solas for Mythal's corruption, for want of a better word, and Mythal fo Solas's impending corruption.

Please tell me I've just completely lost my mind! Please.

Mmm.......the thing that hits me the most that would argue that idea is the fact that the ancient elves went through the effort to make mosaics for both Mythal and Elgar'nan. I mean, even Solas who had his real name of Solas and the title of Fen'Harel had a single mosaic that was displayed.

 

There are very fine lines though between what Mythal represented and what Elgar'nan represented. Justice and vengeance are very closely related in concept.

 

You never know. As much as has been revealed about the Evanuris....they're still a large mystery in the game.

[Mairemalley]

Mmm.......the thing that hits me the most that would argue that idea is the fact that the ancient elves went through the effort to make mosaics for both Mythal and Elgar'nan. I mean, even Solas who had his real name of Solas and the title of Fen'Harel had a single mosaic that was displayed.
 
There are very fine lines though between what Mythal represented and what Elgar'nan represented. Justice and vengeance are very closely related in concept.
 
You never know. As much as has been revealed about the Evanuris....they're still a large mystery in the game.

The only argument I can see against this (and why I'm coming out in favour of this bizzaro idea I don't know) is that the parallel isn't direct. Solas was also represented as a wolf in all of his mosaics, but he isn't actually a wolf. Also, the elves knew him mostly as Fen'Harel. Few really knew the side of him that was Solas, so that side was never depicted in mosaics. Unlike Mythal's case, where both aspects of herself were widely known and thus depicted.

[S.W.]

Ha! You know, the more I think about both characters, the more I consider Solas to be Anders done right. I think Solas is more of what they were going for with Anders, but it didn't turn out quite how they wanted. Now even the writers dump on Anders, poor guy. I still like him, all the hate regardless! He has more depth than people give him credit for.

 

Yeah, I largely agree with this. I think they wanted to go for the tragic, conflicted hero with Anders who was brought down by his own passion, his own determination to do good. I think Anders was poorly written and poorly acted (the amount of funny lines he gets which are acted with in earnest is frustrating), but works (potentially) very well in concept. He definitely has tonnes of depth. My dislike of him doesn't stop me from being hit with a barrage of feels the first time I recruit him, I sort of want to throw myself into this walking feathery glowy trainwreck and claim him as mine, but by act 3, I'm usually utterly sick of his shit .

[Renmiri1]

Solas Song regretting and missing Lavellan

 

[dawnstone]

Is the info in the tabletop game considered canon? Cuz of it is, I'm....concerned.
Sidenote:I'm too stupid to bold text like a reasonable person.
Mythallen, an "abomination" dalish hunter. His name is translated as "child of vengeance", and it's even pointed out by another character that this is weird, because Mythal is not the God of vengeance, Elgar'nan is.

Huh, said I, and kept reading. Then he is described as "a creature of rage and hate and a never ending thirst for vengeance. [b]He may espouse concern for his people, for the injustices they have suffered[\bold]...instead he enslaves, [bold]yoking others to his revenge, transiring them into little more than weapons, extensions of his will.[\b]]

This...this does sound like Mythal. She's been manipulating people and events for centuries to bring about her "reckoning that will shake the very heavens". One definition given for reckoning is "retribution" AKA vengeance.

"She does not show him favour and will [bold]let[\bold] Elgar'nan judge him."
Let? So, Mythal is apparently holding the keys on the head of the pantheon and God of vengeance. She doesn't "decline to plead on his behalf", she doesn't "refuse to intervene". Nope. She ALLOWS Elgie to do the judging. As though her say is required.

Which might be weird, unless (tinfoil securely on head, please) Mythal IS Elgar'nan. Elgie is as much a title as Fen'Harel, representing a (arguably negative) side of Mythal like Fen'Harel is a side of Solas. So Mythal is both justice and its perversion, revenge.

To get even more cookoo, that's what she and Solas were apologizing to each other for. Solas for Mythal's corruption, for want of a better word, and Mythal fo Solas's impending corruption.

Please tell me I've just completely lost my mind! Please.

I think there is some merit to this, mostly because of some dialogue that someone unearthed from the game files that didn't make the final scene in Temple of Mythal:

 

 

Morrigan: An interesting inscription: “Submit to law unyielding.”
Inquisitor: “Law unyielding”?
Morrigan: Perhaps this was some manner of courtroom? I cannot say.
Morrigan: The ancient elves considered Mythal a god of justice.
Solas: To call it “justice” is simplistic. Mythal was properly invoked by those seeking vengeance.
Morrigan: Oh? Are they truly so different?
Solas: To those who followed her, yes.

 

The audio file is at the original post:

http://corseque.tumb...st/130398696142

 

So, basically, Elgar'nan seems like either an Evanuris who was not brought into lesser affairs unless Mythal was consulted first, because all that would be left is scorched earth, or an aspect of Mythal. I tend to believe he was an independent being because of the story in Vir'Dirthara about Mythal interceding between an argument between Falon'Din and Elgar'nan, telling them to work it out with their champions instead of starting a war. It is telling that Mythal held Elgar'nan's leash however (at least, until the Evanuris killed her).

 

I have to wonder if the dialogue above was not included because it told too much, or revealed too much about Solas' knowledge of Mythal - things that were a little too specific to attribute to the Fade and his relationship to Mythal.

[drosophila]

I'm trying to play DAI on PC for the first time, and I ran into a bug: At the very beginning of the game where the Herald is running from the spiders and Justinia helps her, I get throw into that area of the Fade in play mode. I can walk around, attack, etc. but there are no journal quests and no way to progress to the part where the Herald is interrogated by Cassandra and Leliana. Does anyone know how to get out of this? I'm stuck in the Fade!

[Joe25]

Ha! You know, the more I think about both characters, the more I consider Solas to be Anders done right. I think Solas is more of what they were going for with Anders, but it didn't turn out quite how they wanted. Now even the writers dump on Anders, poor guy. I still like him, all the hate regardless! He has more depth than people give him credit for.

True, but that just because Anders was never a static character. We got to see Anders as the happy person who could find the light in a dark place. And then in DA2, we see him as a broken man who wanted to help his people, but didn't know how to do it right. Solas on the other hand (Because the hand I wanted to use is in the Fade ) has a god complex and doesn't care about anyone but himself because he doesn't see people as people due to future shock. If he wasn't asleep for a few hundred years I think he would be a different person.  

[Brass_Buckles]

I'm trying to play DAI on PC for the first time, and I ran into a bug: At the very beginning of the game where the Herald is running from the spiders and Justinia helps her, I get throw into that area of the Fade in play mode. I can walk around, attack, etc. but there are no journal quests and no way to progress to the part where the Herald is interrogated by Cassandra and Leliana. Does anyone know how to get out of this? I'm stuck in the Fade!

 

Do you have any mods installed?  Have you tried a "repair game?"

 

Also, I had a thought earlier that was super optimistic regarding the Solas resolution, and yet now I can't remember what made me think it.  I just remember that it made a whole lot of sense.  But, I was at work and I didn't want to post from work...  Maybe I will remember again.  It was based on something in the game that made me think things won't end up badly after all... I do wish I could remember.  If I could it might make some people feel better.

 

Also, since everyone's plugging fanfics, I've resumed working on Endless Jouney.  Although, Solas just wandered out of the story again because I wanted to set up events so that it wouldn't seem so out of place that Trespasser's events would still happen later on (albeit slightly altered, thanks to what happened in my fic).  Still, the story has lots of Solas, Cole, and Abelas.  Because why not?  Here's the link, for anyone interested.

[figment_]

I'm trying to play DAI on PC for the first time, and I ran into a bug: At the very beginning of the game where the Herald is running from the spiders and Justinia helps her, I get throw into that area of the Fade in play mode. I can walk around, attack, etc. but there are no journal quests and no way to progress to the part where the Herald is interrogated by Cassandra and Leliana. Does anyone know how to get out of this? I'm stuck in the Fade!

I think I remember seeing something about flycam/DAI Cinematic tools or maybe some mods causing this...are you using either?

[Cee]

I'm trying to play DAI on PC for the first time, and I ran into a bug: At the very beginning of the game where the Herald is running from the spiders and Justinia helps her, I get throw into that area of the Fade in play mode. I can walk around, attack, etc. but there are no journal quests and no way to progress to the part where the Herald is interrogated by Cassandra and Leliana. Does anyone know how to get out of this? I'm stuck in the Fade!

 

Maybe Solas can come and rescue you from the dream you're obviously having.

 

 

Joking aside, I've never heard of that glitch before. I usually start the game and let that scene play out with the game minimized because I can't watch.   I've had a few crashes after that scene though, resulting in my first two Lavellans being lost before Nirwen as she is being the one that stuck.

[drosophila]

Do you have any mods installed?  Have you tried a "repair game?"

 

No mods. How do I do "repair game"? Google did not give me a straight answer.

[Cee]

No mods. How do I do "repair game"? Google did not give me a straight answer.

 

Quit the game and right click on the game as listed in Origin, then select repair game.

[Elessara]

True, but that just because Anders was never a static character. We got to see Anders as the happy person who could find the light in a dark place. And then in DA2, we see him as a broken man who wanted to help his people, but didn't know how to do it right. Solas on the other hand (Because the hand I wanted to use is in the Fade ) has a god complex and doesn't care about anyone but himself because he doesn't see people as people due to future shock. If he wasn't asleep for a few hundred years I think he would be a different person.  

 

I won't deny that Solas has a god complex which is kind of funny considering how much effort he put forth telling the ancient elven slaves he wasn't a god.  But I wouldn't say that Solas cares only about himself.  He cares about people a lot, maybe too much.  The problem is that initially he doesn't see the current people of Thedas as actual people and he only comes around to that with a friend/romanced Inquisitor.  And then he feels duty bound to fix the mistake he made thousands of years ago when he put up the Veil - although we don't really know if it was a mistake tbh.  He's also not doing this for himself as he doesn't exactly expect to survive whatever it is he's going to do.

[kitcat1228]

I'm thinking that none of the disappearing elves are modern but are all ancient agents of FenHarel. Best Elf was awake and active for years (he met and helped Briala when she was young, around the time Celene became Empress).

In one of my play throughs, I overheard a Nobel talking to his elven servant about forgetting he was Dalish because he didn't have a tattoo. I swear I heard this in Val Royeaux while shopping. I stopped because I hate facial tatooes and was pissed we are forced to have them (even before we learned what they meant) so I was "Wait! A Dalish doesn't have to have a tattoo why do I have to!" Plus the Nobel was really rude and my Quizzy kinda wanted to punch him. Has anyone else heard this? Obviously, we now know that servant was an ancient elf.

As someone mentioned up thread, Solus's agent in the Inquisition has the Dalish Welsh accent but no tats.

Also there's a note near Cullen, that I just found in my re-play of Trespasser ( I missed so much the first time rushing to get to Solus) about a female elven servant who's disappeared/run off. Something in the note makes me think that she was an ancient elf although I can't remember why.

Anyway I think all of Solus' agents are ancient and he's not recruiting modern elves.

[figment_]

I'm trying to play DAI on PC for the first time, and I ran into a bug: At the very beginning of the game where the Herald is running from the spiders and Justinia helps her, I get throw into that area of the Fade in play mode. I can walk around, attack, etc. but there are no journal quests and no way to progress to the part where the Herald is interrogated by Cassandra and Leliana. Does anyone know how to get out of this? I'm stuck in the Fade!

It might be flycam, if you're using it...

http://daimodder.tumblr.com/page/4

 

http://daimodder.tum...g-the#postnotes

 

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[Mairemalley]

I think there is some merit to this, mostly because of some dialogue that someone unearthed from the game files that didn't make the final scene in Temple of Mythal:
 
 
Morrigan: An interesting inscription: “Submit to law unyielding.”Inquisitor: “Law unyielding”?Morrigan: Perhaps this was some manner of courtroom? I cannot say.Morrigan: The ancient elves considered Mythal a god of justice.Solas: To call it “justice” is simplistic. Mythal was properly invoked by those seeking vengeance.Morrigan: Oh? Are they truly so different?Solas: To those who followed her, yes.
 
The audio file is at the original post:
http://corseque.tumb...st/130398696142
 
So, basically, Elgar'nan seems like either an Evanuris who was not brought into lesser affairs unless Mythal was consulted first, because all that would be left is scorched earth, or an aspect of Mythal. I tend to believe he was an independent being because of the story in Vir'Dirthara about Mythal interceding between an argument between Falon'Din and Elgar'nan, telling them to work it out with their champions instead of starting a war. It is telling that Mythal held Elgar'nan's leash however (at least, until the Evanuris killed her).
 
I have to wonder if the dialogue above was not included because it told too much, or revealed too much about Solas' knowledge of Mythal - things that were a little too specific to attribute to the Fade and his relationship to Mythal.

That dialogue is fascinating! I'm not sure if it was removed for being too specific for Solas to know (his comment on Andruil being the goddess of sacrifice was retained) or was more info about Mythal than they ultimately decided to reveal. Hmmm.

I agree about the champions. It does sound like three parties are involved. Unless Mythal is like the...erm...conscience of a single entity. It gets into a fight with FD and goes into full on stompburnkill mode until it's conscience kicks in. It could be the shifty many-eyed mass seen in the judgement of the prisoner codex. It is so many-faceted and complex that viewing it as separate entities was the only the way the elves contextualized it.

Like Solas in fandom. The views on him are so divergent (loving/agonized/misguided vs manipulative/evil/murder) that there are essentially two Solas's. The existence of either or both is merely a matter of perception.

[drosophila]

It might be flycam, if you're using it...

http://daimodder.tumblr.com/page/4

 

http://daimodder.tum...g-the#postnotes

 

I'm not using any mods or flycam.

[figment_]

I'm not using any mods or flycam.

Sorry... Hopefully you can get a repair to work through Origin/Steam...

[drosophila]

Do you have any mods installed?  Have you tried a "repair game?"

 

 

Quit the game and right click on the game as listed in Origin, then select repair game.

 

Repair game worked. Ma serannas, falons! I'm sure it was Solas' fault.

 

Now let's spend another 2 hours re-making Sophia.

[NeverlandHunter]

Hi guys! Random question, how big do you think the average Dalish clan is? Origins has them looking pretty small, but DA2s endless swarms of bloodthirsty elves has me reconsidering the size. Not that the games are very good representations of size for anything, so it's more of an opinion question.

[Cee]

I have things to do and yet I put on my fluff playlist for some reason and have been back in a fluffy mood. I wonder if I tried to write fluff again if it would be as difficult.

[Cee]

Hi guys! Random question, how big do you think the average Dalish clan is? Origins has them looking pretty small, but DA2s endless swarms of bloodthirsty elves has me reconsidering the size. Not that the games are very good representations of size for anything, so it's more of an opinion question.

 

 

Headcanon, really. The Dalish don't even know their own numbers. I think you can headcanon nearly anything reasonable. Clearly, they're a mini-society of their own so you need enough members to keep things sustainable, but beyond that, vary it as you will.

[MayriyaNoori]

Hi guys! Random question, how big do you think the average Dalish clan is? Origins has them looking pretty small, but DA2s endless swarms of bloodthirsty elves has me reconsidering the size. Not that the games are very good representations of size for anything, so it's more of an opinion question.

 Yeah, what Cee said, it's really up to the player.

 

I think as far as clan size goes it really depends on the way of life for that individual clan. More settled clan would be larger since it would be easier to sustain a population that way while I would imagine nomadic clans would be smaller.

[Joe25]

I won't deny that Solas has a god complex which is kind of funny considering how much effort he put forth telling the ancient elven slaves he wasn't a god.  But I wouldn't say that Solas cares only about himself.  He cares about people a lot, maybe too much.  The problem is that initially he doesn't see the current people of Thedas as actual people and he only comes around to that with a friend/romanced Inquisitor.  And then he feels duty bound to fix the mistake he made thousands of years ago when he put up the Veil - although we don't really know if it was a mistake tbh.  He's also not doing this for himself as he doesn't exactly expect to survive whatever it is he's going to do.

I agree with you that he care about people, but it is his people. He wants to press reset button, and have the world burn to save a few hundred Sentinels and ancient elfs in hiding. I think he'd have better luck making a small nation from the land around his cathedral then killing millions to save less than a thousand people.