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Taking pics of the sliders are the only way to share them, unfortunately.

 

So, I'm curious about who everyone romanced in other bioware games and out of all of those romances who is your favorite:

 

DA: Alistair

DA2: Anders

DAI: Solas and Cullen

 

ME: Kaidan

ME2: nobody/Jacob (So, in my defense my first BW game was ME2. I was new to the whole romance thing and Jacob was the only one I found attractive. Anyway, despite how creepy femshep sounded when she talked to him and how awful their sex scene was, Shep persevered. And, was dumped in the next game,lol. But she didn't care as she was going to dump him for Kaidan anyway. In all subsequent playthroughs of ME2 Shep remained single and pined for Kaidan. )

ME3: Kaidan

 

My favorites are Alistair, Kaidan and Solas. But, Solas is taking the lead as all the drama is giving the feels. We'll see how DA4 goes!


DAO: Alistair
DA2: Fenris
DAI: Solas


ME: Kaidan
ME2: Thane
ME3: Thane

My favs were Solas & Thane....

damn it bioware.. always makes me cry...

-forever alone-

 


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Unless you say he caused it, even if indirectly ;) I can see that if you tell the soldiers what happened after you left the fade. I personally never do.

 

That's my point.  No one has any reason to believe it.  And any attempt to explain it ... I'd expect you to lose your listeners right after the "and then we went a year into the future where everything was Blighted and defeated Erimond even though Corypheus sent his dragon and Leliana died and ... " or "and then I fought off the fear demon in my head with the help of a spirit of compassion" .  You'd sound insane.  Even Quizzie would sound insane.  These are the same sorts of people who popped back into the Circles as soon as Vivienne set them up.  They're not going to drop every prejudice, belief, and understanding they've ever had in order to accept Quizzie's word cuz Quizzie's speschul.  

 

Remember what happens when Quizzie carefully explains how they weren't blessed by Andraste?  The bit where nobody believes them?  


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As for where the blame of collateral damage lies ... that's very much dependent on your own moral views.  I can see your point.  I can also see the point that you are responsible for the fallout of actions whose consequences you could reasonably predict.  Potatoes po...taw...toes...

 

I think we're arguing two different things here.  Or very strenuously disagree on what is common knowledge in Thedas and what is not.  I'm not suggesting that Quizzie and co. are not intimately aware of the reasons for keeping the wardens under your protection.  What I am suggesting is that none of this is common knowledge to the rest of the world.  At best, it may be tavern talk. "Did you hear the Wardens are working for the Inquisition now?" "Yaaaah.  All those heroes fighting the Breach!" "Traveller said the Grey Wardens were consulting demons!" Like, all based on hearsay and generally inaccurate at best.

 

I agree, for the most part.  I think hunting down Solas (for either reason) is a different game than going after Cory.  It has nothing to do with brute force and major alliances. Though if destroying Solas at absolutely all cost were Quizzie's only goal, then yes, bellowing it from the rooftops is a fine idea.  Even a good one.  The more elves they kill the fewer spies or potential spies Solas has.  Even so, we were given no choice and THAT I dislike.

 

LOL.  In a lot of ways I agree.  Though it seems to me some of Lavellan's lack of intelligence was forced by the game.  "What's a Mythal?" style.  Not arguing on Solas's motivations or the relationship.  Think on that what you will.  But you're right, telling the world is an appalling stupid idea for a Lavellan, whether they intend to side with Solas or not (mine wouldn't, but IS hellbent on saving his butt).  So you kinda proved my point.  It's a really really stupid move and we were railroaded into making it.

That middle paragraph is exactly where I'm coming from. As a human trevelyan quizzy, even though he's my friend, I see no reason atm to play this differently, not with someone so powerful threatening the world of men. Even though his background is intimately woven with elves, he couldn't let his world be destroyed, especially when it's not these elves Solas is looking to save.

 

As for tavern talk, those people don't matter anyway because they can't do anything beyond spread a rumor, which is good enough. The morality bit, yea I can easily see how that can be put on me by others. I however don't honestly care, since as far as I'm concerned, it's on Solas. I'm just doing what I have to do to save the world. Sacrifices must be made to win wars. It is what it is. I'm a hard ass that way.

 

But yea, for Lavellan? Dumb dumb dumb, and I would indeed be upset, especially if you're romancing him. Not sure why they chose to make her seem dense.


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That's my point.  No one has any reason to believe it.  And any attempt to explain it ... I'd expect you to lose your listeners right after the "and then we went a year into the future where everything was Blighted and defeated Erimond even though Corypheus sent his dragon and Leliana died and ... " or "and then I fought off the fear demon in my head with the help of a spirit of compassion" .  You'd sound insane.  Even Quizzie would sound insane.  These are the same sorts of people who popped back into the Circles as soon as Vivienne set them up.  They're not going to drop every prejudice, belief, and understanding they've ever had in order to accept Quizzie's word cuz Quizzie's speschul.  

 

Remember what happens when Quizzie carefully explains how they weren't blessed by Andraste?  The bit where nobody believes them?  

It doesn't matter, there needs to at least be an attempt to tell people. Giving up just gives away an advantage. Some would listen, even if most don't. And like I said, most don't need to. The smart ones are likely to be people that can help, and will listen, or at least humor you. I'll bet that's what's going to happen. There'll be a few capable individuals looking into what the quizzy said, and they'll help in small ways, same as in Mass Effect.



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That middle paragraph is exactly where I'm coming from. As a human trevelyan quizzy, even though he's my friend, I see no reason atm to play this differently, not with someone so powerful threatening the world of men. Even though his background is intimately woven with elves, he couldn't let his world be destroyed, especially when it's not these elves Solas is looking to save.

 

The morality bit, yea I can easily see how that can be put on me by others. I however don't honestly care, since as far as I'm concerned, it's on Solas. I'm just doing what I have to do to save the world. Sacrifices must be made to win wars. It is what it is. I'm a hard ass that way.

 

But yea, for Lavellan? Dumb dumb dumb, and I would indeed be upset, especially if you're romancing him. Not sure why they chose to make her seem dense.

I can see both your points in regards to Solas and the morality involved.  From their point of view, they're consistent and warranted.  I have no interest in debating whether or not Solas should be stopped, whether or not he's wholly wrong, what his ultimate motives are, who it'll benefit, or anything else.  We simply don't know enough.

 

Either way, it's interesting to read your perspective on it!  I agree that for a character coming from that viewpoint the response is absolutely appropriate.  If he wants to start that kind of fight, and considering the world is at stake, then chevauchee may well be the best tactic.

 

My objection to that part of the epilogue is exactly as you say.  For some Quizzies (ESPECIALLY a Lavellan, romanced or not) it is very, very dumb.  And since they gave us the option to play a range of backgrounds with various beliefs, the fact that this one inclusion in the epilogue is a help to some and a severe detriment to others annoys me.  Let us choose or don't include it, please.

 

It doesn't matter, there needs to at least be an attempt to tell people. Giving up just gives away an advantage. Some would listen, even if most don't. And like I said, most don't need to. The smart ones are likely to be people that can help, and will listen, or at least humor you. I'll bet that's what's going to happen. There'll be a few capable individuals looking into what the quizzy said, and they'll help in small ways, same as in Mass Effect.

 

How does Quizzie know who is listening?  Is this person offering help and believing me honest or one of Solas's?  


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Still catching up to the thread.

 

So, because 3 years early isn't too early at all, I'm trying to think about what I want my DA4 protagonist to be like. So now I'm curious, what were your canon characters going through the DA series? Name, race, gender, class, romance, age at the start, whatever you want. And what do you think you might want your DA4 protag, providing they're a new character, to be like? Ideal romance included! For me it was:

 

DAO: Reina - Human Female - Dual Wield Warrior - Alistair - 19

DA2: Aiden - Human Male - Force Mage - Fenris - 25

DAI:  Cari - Elven Female - Knight Enchanter Mage - Solas - 31

DA4: Probably male again so I can keep switching it, I'm thinking qunari but a Tevinter mage might be too hard to pass up. I think having Maevaris as a romance option would be awesome, but I don't know if I'd want her to be a companion. I might want them to be a young'un (early 20s), since I made Cari older so she could better match the previous protags in age.

 

DAO: Arnwen Mahariel - Elf Female - Sword & Shield Warrior (Templar/Champion) - Alistair - 19 

DA2: Belladonna Hawke - Human Female - Mage (Spirit Healer/Force Mage) - Anders - 25

DAI: Tala Lavellan - Elven Female - Archer Rogue (Tempest) - Solas - 21

DA4: I tend to play female elves (with the exception of DA2 because screw you Bioware for making the DA2 PC human only!) but as you can see, I like to use different classes for my canon PCs in each game. If DA4 has multiple races to choose from like in DAO and DAI, I would love to play a female elven mage this time. Buuuut, if the DA4 protagonist ends up being human only (Maker forbid), then I'll play a female human mage... again.  -_- (As for age, she'd probably be in her mid to late 20s.)

 

As for the ideal romance, I can't really say. I'd have to see what Bioware has to offer as romance options and I have to see if I get a feel for any of them. I just tend to gravitate to whatever romance option appeals to me. :P


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Tell people what they need to stay safe, but don't tell them everything that they can't do anything about and will only make them freak out.

 

No offense, but what are we supposed to tell the public that will help keep them safe?

 

The Eluvians are hidden and only Fen'Harel's elves can now use them, so it's not like "If you see a mirror that looks like this, come let us know." Solas himself is unlikely to be waltzing around in public, so it's not like you can pass around a sketch; "If you see this bald elf, come let us know." The only signs to watch out for are his agents, which pose as regular, everyday, unassuming elven servants (and maybe even Dalish, as Felassan did).

 

If you tell the human public that random elves they encounter might be agents of Fen'Harel, you know those that aren't killed, imprisoned, or tortured for information  en masse will be fired and exiled en masse over mere suspicion that they might be one of his agents. It disrupts everyone's daily schedules, it makes humans more suspicious and distrusting of elves (and fearful in general), and it'll make elves an even bigger target for humans' fear and paranoia.

 

To be honest, the most effective way I can think to combat Fen'Harel's endeavors is to make sure the public doesn't know about it (so they won't panic or try to "help" capture his agents / find his locations and just make things worse or get in the way). And the best way to ensure that elves aren't punished for Fen'Harel's efforts afterwards is to ensure that humans don't know about it.


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I can see both your points in regards to Solas and the morality involved.  From their point of view, they're consistent and warranted.  I have no interest in debating whether or not Solas should be stopped, whether or not he's wholly wrong, what his ultimate motives are, who it'll benefit, or anything else.  We simply don't know enough.

 

Either way, it's interesting to read your perspective on it!  I agree that for a character coming from that viewpoint the response is absolutely appropriate.  If he wants to start that kind of fight, and considering the world is at stake, then chevauchee may well be the best tactic.

 

My objection to that part of the epilogue is exactly as you say.  For some Quizzies (ESPECIALLY a Lavellan, romanced or not) it is very, very dumb.  And since they gave us the option to play a range of backgrounds with various beliefs, the fact that this one inclusion in the epilogue is a help to some and a severe detriment to others annoys me.  Let us choose or don't include it, please.

 

 

How does Quizzie know who is listening?  Is this person offering help and believing me honest or one of Solas's?  

Meh, it doesn't matter who is listening, if it's one of Solas', they'd just report something he likely already knew. And I doubt he's worried about what mortals might come up with. I picture him arrogant that way, especially after how Cornflakes turned out.

 

But anyway, we've come to an agreement, and I do agree it's too soon to say what Solas is doing exactly, and that people may be jumping the gun, though it certainly doesn't look good, especially if Bioware's making everyone set off the warning sirens. Just gotta wait n' see.



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To be honest, the most effective way I can think to combat Fen'Harel's endeavors is to make sure the public doesn't know about it (so they won't panic or try to "help" capture his agents / find his locations and just make things worse or get in the way). And the best way to ensure that elves aren't punished for Fen'Harel's efforts afterwards is to ensure that humans don't know about it.

That will ensure that the elves aren't killed, but not necessarily the "most effective".

 

Lets try an exercise. This is for everyone to answer. Now, for your Lavellans, if Solas really was the big bad the rest of the elf haters around BSN think he is, and his plan would destroy everything and everyone... And you could slow his efforts by alerting anyone who bothers to listen to be wary of elven servants because they could be spies... would you? Or would you let him keep his advantage even if it means the world ends?

 

It's obviously not going to come down to that, and this is a worst case scenario. I'm just interested in seeing if a Lavellan would actually do that. Would be a hard choice, but certainly better than your clans being gone along with the rest of the world. I don't think Dalish care much about city elves anyway.


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No offense, but what are we supposed to tell the public that will help keep them safe?

 

The Eluvians are hidden and only Fen'Harel's elves can now use them, so it's not like "If you see a mirror that looks like this, come let us know." Solas himself is unlikely to be waltzing around in public, so it's not like you can pass around a sketch; "If you see this bald elf, come let us know." The only signs to watch out for are his agents, which pose as regular, everyday, unassuming elven servants (and maybe even Dalish, as Felassan did).

 

If you tell the human public that random elves they encounter might be agents of Fen'Harel, you know those that aren't killed, imprisoned, or tortured for information  en masse will be fired and exiled en masse over mere suspicion that they might be one of his agents. It disrupts everyone's daily schedules, it makes humans more suspicious and distrusting of elves (and fearful in general), and it'll make elves an even bigger target for humans' fear and paranoia.

 

To be honest, the most effective way I can think to combat Fen'Harel's endeavors is to make sure the public doesn't know about it (so they won't panic or try to "help" capture his agents / find his locations and just make things worse or get in the way). And the best way to ensure that elves aren't punished for Fen'Harel's efforts afterwards is to ensure that humans don't know about it.

 

I meant don't tell them anything, unless there's an immediate impending threat (like falling veilfire, so stay indoors).

 

The public can't be trusted not to riot.


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I meant don't tell them anything, unless there's an immediate impending threat (like falling veilfire, so stay indoors).

Like I said before, if people aren't likely to believe, then they won't panic in the first place. And there is an impending threat. Even if most can't do anything about it, some may. I'm sure Bioware will be pulling speshul individuals for the task out their hats next game.



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I think paranoia started by rumors can cause lots of damage. People always want a scapegoat for their problems. "My business failed! It's an elven plot!"

 

A few shouting crazies can sway the masses given time, provided they hit the right emotional buttons.


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Dropping in to share some smut.  :blush:  I probably won't put this on tumblr because my cousin follows me, and I want to be able to look her in the eye when we hang out, so you're the (un)lucky few who get to see it.  There's a half-assed attempt at a background even though I hate them because I wanted it to vaguely look like the Emerald Graves.  Since that's a good place to get frisky, right?

 

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No offense, but what are we supposed to tell the public that will help keep them safe?

 

To be honest, the most effective way I can think to combat Fen'Harel's endeavors is to make sure the public doesn't know about it (so they won't panic or try to "help" capture his agents / find his locations and just make things worse or get in the way). And the best way to ensure that elves aren't punished for Fen'Harel's efforts afterwards is to ensure that humans don't know about it.

Personally, I agree with this.  By which I mean, this is the method which I would use for various reasons (among them, a preference for working in stealth and silence AND concern for protecting elves against prejudice.  If willing, I could also see how the other strategy could help.  Both have advantages and disadvantages, though.  For example: 

Meh, it doesn't matter who is listening, if it's one of Solas', they'd just report something he likely already knew. And I doubt he's worried about what mortals might come up with. I picture him arrogant that way, especially after how Cornflakes turned out.

This also means that Solas now has a better idea of what you're doing and can plan against it.  This person who offered to help now knows that you (say) want him to investigate Mysterious Artifact X.  They have no idea why.  They tell Solas.  Solas knows about Mysterious Artifact X, and between that knowledge, knowledge of your Quizzie, and any other information he's got from other sleeper agents working for you, he probably has a good idea what you want with Mysterious Artifact X and can take steps to nullify any advantage you would gain from said Artifact.  He can also have that Agent tell you slightly erroneous information that will, if not completely lead you off the trail, at least waylay you.

 

That will ensure that the elves aren't killed, but not necessarily the "most effective".

 

Lets try an exercise. This is for everyone to answer. Now, for your Lavellans, if Solas really was the big bad the rest of the elf haters around BSN think he is, and his plan would destroy everything and everyone... And you could slow his efforts by alerting anyone who bothers to listen to be wary of elven servants because they could be spies... would you? Or would you let him keep his advantage even if it means the world ends?

 

It's obviously not going to come down to that, and this is a worst case scenario. I'm just interested in seeing if a Lavellan would actually do that. Would be a hard choice, but certainly better than your clans being gone along with the rest of the world. I don't think Dalish care much about city elves anyway.

I love these games! :D  For my canon Lavellan (and note, I'm answering in character. I could give you a character with a completely different answer and its reasoning, too): No.  My Lavellan would not be telling anyone.  A few very trusted people, maybe.  I would let him keep the slight advantage.  It's a chance to bring back Arlathan.  It is arrogant to assume that the world as it is now is the way the world should be or that the current population deserves life more than the Elvhen population and spirits.  She doesn't know what will happen to the current people, whether they will die forever, some will survive in the new world, they will be 'reformed' as spirits. Either she can change his methods by employing better means (ie: refusing to press an advantage when it can and will directly effect the innocent**) then she will.  If those means fail ... well ... quite frankly, Solas deserved to win, and I wish the new world luck.  :devil:

**Yes, I can see the apparent hypocrisy in this.  But I hold a different view on that morality than you.  I think she WOULD be responsible for the wholesale massacre of elves that might result from her direct action and WOULD NOT be responsible for the deaths Solas causes by his direct action.


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I think paranoia started by rumors can cause lots of damage. People always want a scapegoat for their problems. "My business failed! It's an elven plot!"

 

A few shouting crazies can sway the masses given time, provided they hit the right emotional buttons.

Yep.  There's already a massive existing prejudice against and suspicion of Elves.  One probably helped along (to varying degrees, depending on world state) by Briala.  It wouldn't take much to tip them over the edge.

 

Quizzie delivering a scapegoat they're already inclined to see as a black sheep could easily be the prelude to mass slaughter time.  They wouldn't even need to believe Quizzie.  All Quizzie's story would have to do is make them feel fear.  



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Yep.  There's already a massive existing prejudice against and suspicion of Elves.  One probably helped along (to varying degrees, depending on world state) by Briala.  It wouldn't take much to tip them over the edge.
 
Quizzie delivering a scapegoat they're already inclined to see as a black sheep could easily prelude to mass slaughter time.  They wouldn't even need to believe Quizzie.  All Quizzie's story would have to do is make them feel fear.


It's like all of our apostate companions! The betrayal, using us a scrap goats... The only thing they're missing is the massive prejudice.. Oh wait, Solas handled that. What is it with our apostate companions?
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Art post.

 

Trespasser: Part 2 of that comic where Lavellan dies of the Mark before reaching Solas. (Warning: Blood and character death)

Also, read the accompanying drabble in the source link for extra feels... :crying:

 

Trespasser: Part 3 of the above. "We're all here, together."

 

Trespasser: Tides of Time. (Solavellan)

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Fanart inspired from the fic, Crystal White.

 

A Brief Respite. (Solavellan) Colored version of this artwork.

 

The Wolf, the Bride and wolf's pup. (Solavellan done for Inktober)

 

Modern AU: "I love you. Nothing can change that." (Solavellan)

 

Modern AU: E is for Ears.  ^_^ (Solavellan)

 

"Tell me you are real." (Solavellan)

 

Solavellan done for the Draw Your OTP meme. Based on The Road to El Dorado. :P

 

Modern AU: "I will fight you to the death over the pumpkin." (Solavellan) :P

 

Small Fisticuffs. (Solas and Male Lavellan)

 

Solas walking in a dark forest.

 

Solas in battle done for Inktober.


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So, because 3 years early isn't too early at all, I'm trying to think about what I want my DA4 protagonist to be like. So now I'm curious, what were your canon characters going through the DA series? Name, race, gender, class, romance, age at the start, whatever you want. And what do you think you might want your DA4 protag, providing they're a new character, to be like? Ideal romance included! For me it was:

 

DAO: Reina - Human Female - Dual Wield Warrior - Alistair - 19

DA2: Aiden - Human Male - Force Mage - Fenris - 25

DAI:  Cari - Elven Female - Knight Enchanter Mage - Solas - 31

DA4: Probably male again so I can keep switching it, I'm thinking qunari but a Tevinter mage might be too hard to pass up. I think having Maevaris as a romance option would be awesome, but I don't know if I'd want her to be a companion. I might want them to be a young'un (early 20s), since I made Cari older so she could better match the previous protags in age.

DAO: Luna - Elven Female - Dual rogue - Alistair - 22
DA2: Jane - Human Female - Blood mage - Fenris - 28
DAI: Ellana - Elven Female - Rift Mage - Solas - 24
DA4: Female.. elf maybe I like qunaris as well but maybe gonna stick with Elf because I love their skinny tiny bodies and pointy ears + big eyes :3 maybe a rogue archer this time.. Can't decide between mage and rogue. Age.. hmm I think she would be fine being 25-27. Romances I just want to see what will happen :D



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Also, if ever anybody wanted a GIF of Solas removing the Anchor from Inky's hand.

 

Source: http://merylisk.tumb...d-wolf-take-you

 

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I could stare at this all evening... *fans self*


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Well, I did the thing.

 

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and someone the other day mentioned how after you close one of the rifts and your mark flares up and Solas makes a small movement forward and then it stops. Yes.

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yea that one mentioning it would be me haha when I saw it I was like: !!! OMG WHY DID I NOT SEE THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

 



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Small Fisticuffs. (Solas and Male Lavellan)

This is so adorkable!  <3

 

So I decided to once again use Screencatchery ReShade preset. That thing eats my FPS like angry wolf ( :whistle:), but screenshots I can make with that are worth it. So... 

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Surprisingly Haven Chantry dungeon has amazing lighting.


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Also, if ever anybody wanted a GIF of Solas removing the Anchor from Inky's hand.

 

Source: http://merylisk.tumb...d-wolf-take-you

 

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I could stare at this all evening... *fans self*

Is it just me....or does it kind of look like the palm of Solas' hand glows bright with a very focused point to it?

 

Do we know if he transferred the Anchor to his own hand? Or did he just erase it?

 

I'm confused.

 

And concerned.



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Is it just me....or does it kind of look like the palm of Solas' hand glows bright with a very focused point to it?
 
Do we know if he transferred the Anchor to his own hand? Or did he just erase it?
 
I'm confused.
 
And concerned.


Weekes did say the anchor is gone for good. So hopefully that isn't what he's doing. I see the ball of light too. Maybe he's just gathering the anchor into a ball and dispersing it? *wishful thinking*.
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Weekes did say the anchor is gone for good. So hopefully that isn't what he's doing. I see the ball of light too. Maybe he's just gathering the anchor into a ball and dispersing it? *wishful thinking*.

Okay, that's good. I mus thave missed that.

 

For a second I was like "ABFNEUwlihgamn 90759u jkfda  Code Red Thedas has like hours before shut down! WTF!!!!!!!?!?!?!?"

 

All good now.

 

Ma serannas.