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I think to an extent we're pretty much projecting a bit based on our Lavellans' personalities and seeing what we want to see in terms of Lavellan's body language in these scenes.
 
To me she's mirroring his stance here (mirroring is a pretty common flirting body language signal). The hands behind the back pose is a pose he adopts himself quite often, and folk don't tend to interpret Solas as young and coy in those moments - that's a gender politics issue I think actually. She's looking at him directly dead in the eye, shoulders squared forwards, head on - chin tilted up, almost defiant, a challenge. She looks confident. She's already actively pursued him with a fairly assertive physical gesture by this point (her initiating the kiss in the dream) - with that and her pose here she's making her intentions and wants pretty clear, only with how Solas has hesitated re: the whole thing thus far and his reserved nature she's waiting for him to pick up the ball she's already placed in his court. Then she initiates another assertive physical gesture after this scene (arm-grab) even after he tries yet again to disengage. She's active, not passive, and someone pursuing with some measure of confidence, not an innocent maiden.
 
But we're all gonna see what we want tbh.


^Yep, all of this.

I think it's worth noting that her demeanour needs to be read in the context of her actions. Femininity needn't be weak or passive. Lavellan is always taking an active, assertive role in the progress of the relationship, and I think this is a better indicator of where they stand.

With a character like Solas, whose experience and knowledge (and by Trespasser, brute power) far outrank the Inquisitor's, and where an important plot/character point is how Lavellan is unique and special to him, it would be quite easy to write a potentially unhealthy power imbalance into their relationship. Lavellan would be the object of his affection in quite a literal sense, put on a pedestal, where he is projecting qualities onto her which she simply does not have, and she feels pressured to meet these astounding expectations of a much older man that she can't possibly live up to.

In short, it could have easily been pretty messed up. Especially given the Trespasser revelations which stated he didn't really think she was a person at first.

The fact that Lavellan chases him is important. The fact that he isn't expecting anything of her - only to be caught off guard, is important. I don't really mind how feminine/masculine she is, because we sometimes imply those expressions of behaviour are more closely tied to power than she actually is.
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UH, sorry for that - I think I'm catching cold and I'm getting all kinds of 'bleh' at this point, which apparently 'sloppifies' my reading comprehension   -_-

 

:(  No one wants a cold.  Have a kitty hug, and I hope you feel better soon!

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just to clarify, I didnt mean for your character to be cheated on by your inquisition loves. I meant the other way around. And like I said although I would never do it to my LI's it would give a way for new players to have romances or ones that wanted to or have a need for that sort of drama if they were to give us the inquisitor again. But yes it would have to be handled so carefully that it would probably be better to just have a new character.

 

Ah, I see.  Personally, I've never liked PC-initiated love triangles much either, but I think a lot of that has to do with 1) poor implementation and 2) getting less patient with unnecessary drama.  I've yet to see any love triangle in a BioWare game that I liked at all.  


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^Yep, all of this.

I think it's worth noting that her demeanour needs to be read in the context of her actions. Femininity needn't be weak or passive. Lavellan is always taking an active, assertive role in the progress of the relationship, and I think this is a better indicator of where they stand.

With a character like Solas, whose experience and knowledge (and by Trespasser, brute power) far outrank the Inquisitor's, and where an important plot/character point is how Lavellan is unique and special to him, it would be quite easy to write a potentially unhealthy power imbalance into their relationship. Lavellan would be the object of his affection in quite a literal sense, put on a pedestal, where he is projecting qualities onto her which she simply does not have, and she feels pressured to meet these astounding expectations of a much older man that she can't possibly live up to.

In short, it could have easily been pretty messed up. Especially given the Trespasser revelations which stated he didn't really think she was a person at first.

The fact that Lavellan chases him is important. The fact that he isn't expecting anything of her - only to be caught off guard, is important. I don't really mind how feminine/masculine she is, because we sometimes imply those expressions of behaviour are more closely tied to power than she actually is.

That's an excellent point Shallow waters! I never even thought about that before, but the age, power, and knowledge, imbalance would definitely be a little sketchy if Lavellan wasn't the one that initiated the romance (still sort of sketchy).

Good foresight on the writer's part if it wasn't done that way just because Lavellan is your character and it's allowing you to make the choices.



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^Yep, all of this.

I think it's worth noting that her demeanour needs to be read in the context of her actions. Femininity needn't be weak or passive. Lavellan is always taking an active, assertive role in the progress of the relationship, and I think this is a better indicator of where they stand.

With a character like Solas, whose experience and knowledge (and by Trespasser, brute power) far outrank the Inquisitor's, and where an important plot/character point is how Lavellan is unique and special to him, it would be quite easy to write a potentially unhealthy power imbalance into their relationship. Lavellan would be the object of his affection in quite a literal sense, put on a pedestal, where he is projecting qualities onto her which she simply does not have, and she feels pressured to meet these astounding expectations of a much older man that she can't possibly live up to.

In short, it could have easily been pretty messed up. Especially given the Trespasser revelations which stated he didn't really think she was a person at first.

The fact that Lavellan chases him is important. The fact that he isn't expecting anything of her - only to be caught off guard, is important. I don't really mind how feminine/masculine she is, because we sometimes imply those expressions of behaviour are more closely tied to power than she actually is.

 

Yes to this, and I am very happy with how they handled the power imbalance issue. I think it was great that with Lavellan Solas was just Solas. He was older and had more knowledge and experience, but it was balanced by how vulnerable he could be around her. Lavellan's the only one who really sees that he has been alone for a very long time, that he's unsure, even afraid to trust or get close to anyone. She's also the one who gets to turn his ideas upside down and show him he may have misjudged her people, so for all his experience, she confuses and challenges him. 

 

Then there's the issue of the Inquisition. Even though it was great that he told all Inkys with high approval that they basically earned their title and the organization they run, and that he respects them as leaders, it was doubly as important for a romanced Lavellan. For me at least it meant a lot that she wasn't just the chick who got a castle as a present from apocalypse boyfriend, and she might've benefited from Solas' mentorship, but achieved a lot on her own, and the way she ran the Inquisition is was part of what impressed him in the frist place. 

 

Finally, at the time of Tresspasser he might have more raw power but it's balanced out by his incredibly dumb plan. He saved her but now he's the one who needs her, and this back-and-forth of who's helping who is a sign that they stand on equal terms. 


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UH, sorry for that - I think I'm catching cold and I'm getting all kinds of 'bleh' at this point, which apparently 'sloppifies' my reading comprehension   -_-

I think there is a world wide cold going round. Everyone seems to have a cold or fever... even the dogs. And I've never seen dogs get colds before. Get better! lots of tea. (tea, get it? ahahaha)

I was out too. I'm mostly recuperated now. My partner just brought me lobster pork belly truffle macaroni and cheese... so I'm glad I was well enough to taste it 8D



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The fact that he isn't expecting anything of her - only to be caught off guard, is important.

 

Speaking of him being thrown off guard, you get to see him admit that here at 3:54:

 

 

This is if you flirt and then don't go in for the kiss in the fade.


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Oh, Cole ... Argh, I so badly wanted to take him with me in Trespasser, it's just the fights were kicking my butt and he's squishy. I should just have lowered the difficulty and taken him :angry: It's good to know he felt that way. Cole, I'm counting on you!

 

Since I had a spot open in my usual party with the departure of Solas, and I played a DW rogue, I did a respec and made Cole assassin archer and gave him the JoH bow with a rune as well as guard on hit applied to his armor. I gave all of us guard on hit, I think, except Cassandra since she generated it anyway.



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Plus, is it just me, or do a lot of Lavellan's romantic body language toward Solas come across as a bit... coy and girlish? :unsure:

 

Spoiler

 

I can't speak for other Lavellans, but during romantic scenes I'd kind of rather think of my girl acting her age (young and smitten) than an older woman acting younger than she is.  :unsure:

 

To me, her body language and actions suggested boldness and experience, knowing what she wants and going for it.


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Wait, lethellen.  We have cookies!  Cee baked them!

 

Hopefully you offered the right cookies. :mellow:


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Since I had a spot open in my usual party with the departure of Solas, and I played a DW rogue, I did a respec and made Cole assassin archer and gave him the JoH bow with a rune as well as guard on hit applied to his armor. I gave all of us guard on hit, I think, except Cassandra since she generated it anyway.

 

 

Yeah, guard on hit or chance of fade cloak or chance of unyielding all became my new best friends in Trespasser.  -_-



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Now I am sad again. Solas is so sad. Lavellan is so sad. Screw Bioware's bittersweet endings. Can we just have a fairy-tale ending plzzzz?

 

I just misread this as "a fairy-tale ending pizza" and am officially endorsing that option.

 

 


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I just misread this as "a fairy-tale ending pizza" and am officially endorsing that option.

 

New modern headcanon: Solas runs a pizzeria.  And insists on shipping in water from New York for his dough.


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Hopefully you offered the right cookies. :mellow:


They *were* the right cookies.
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New modern headcanon: Solas runs a pizzeria.  And insists on shipping in water from New York for his dough.

 

What?  New York?!  No way, only the purest water from the Arctic will do for pizzas made by Solas.


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I just misread this as "a fairy-tale ending pizza" and am officially endorsing that option.

 

HAhaha. I'm glad I wasn't the only one. :D



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Not Solas...but this art is just too cute not to share

 

Merrill and Cole making flower crowns

http://nellymonster....rowns-564347758

 

 

 

EDIT:  oh..and I'm on the top... have one of my favorites

http://purple-meow.d...Solas-505138226


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Someone just asked Weekes on Twitter:

 

" Can you say where in Thedas Solas was while he was in uthenera?"

Weekes: NOPE (all caps like that)

 

 

Hmmmmm


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Someone just asked Weekes on Twitter:

 

" Can you say where in Thedas Solas was while he was in uthenera?"

Weekes: NOPE (all caps like that)

 

 

Hmmmmm

 

He was obviously napping in Solas.


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Not Solas...but this art is just too cute not to share

 

Merrill and Cole making flower crowns

http://nellymonster....rowns-564347758

 

 

 

EDIT:  oh..and I'm on the top... have one of my favorites

http://purple-meow.d...Solas-505138226

 

Yeah white flower! Save Solas!


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 My partner just brought me lobster pork belly truffle macaroni and cheese..

 

Where do I line up to try such a delicious-sounding thing?



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He was obviously napping in Solas.

 

I still think the Western Approach or potentially Solasan temple. But it's more interesting why he wouldn't reveal it. I bet there are others still sleeping there. 


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New modern headcanon: Solas runs a pizzeria.  And insists on shipping in water from New York for his dough.

Tell me he has sexy nerd glasses.

 

There is just - there is such a sad lack of modern AU Solas with sexy nerd glasses.

 

Please. Please I need this.


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I still think the Western Approach or potentially Solasan temple. But it's more interesting why he wouldn't reveal it. I bet there are others still sleeping there. 

 

Where Solas was in uthenera, as well as the related circumstances surrounding this process, has been one of my large questions for some time, so I'm glad it seems this will eventually be answered.



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I still think the Western Approach or potentially Solasan temple. But it's more interesting why he wouldn't reveal it. I bet there are others still sleeping there. 

I always figured it was Sundermount. There was a lot of weird stuff going on there - Ancient elfy magic, weakened Veil, dragons, Flemeth, and something I rarely see brought up is that, in Act Three, one of the corpses in the back of the Bone Pit is carrying a Warden's Oath - and we know the Wardens were up to something in the area around Kirkwall.

 

At the time I assumed it was one of the Old God prisons. Now I think it's where Solas was sleeping in Uthanera (Or, if not him, something else ancient and elfy) Flemeth needed to be take there because she had "an appointment to keep" - messing with Solas, probs. The Warden's Oath Corpse Guy, along with the wardens in Kirkwall, were there investigating the area or (If Legacy's already been completed) finding the Orb. And the elven ruins and general magicky-ness are all because it's the site of an ancient elven slumber party.

 

It's not an airtight theory, no, but something's definitely up with Sundermount, and at the moment this is my best guess.


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I still think the Western Approach or potentially Solasan temple. But it's more interesting why he wouldn't reveal it. I bet there are others still sleeping there. 

 

If it was Solasan temple, then probably not.  There's only animated corpses and the elemental resistance sarcophagi there.  Unless the people in the sarcophagi were elves in magical stasis, and we murdered them by looting the temple  :blink: