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[TheEggCrusher]

Solas and the rest of the companions saw Alexius use magic on the Inquisitor and Dorian and assumed they both got killed. They didn't know that Quizzy and Dorian were actually sent into the future.

What bothered me is that, from a psychological standpoint, no one would even use the pronoun "we" in his circumstances, no matter what he was referencing. He was alone for 2 years, in his own thoughts. The others were probably never on his mind, especially since he was sitting around hopelessly in the repercussions of his mistake. Alone. 

 

By that time, the pronoun "we" would seem foreign, and would not come out in a sentence as a first reflex. I fully understand what it's referencing. I'm just thinking through the mind of someone who was alone for two years, in a cell, with nothing but his own thoughts. "I" is probably the only pronoun he used in his thoughts or outloud for most of the time he was locked up. Using the pronoun "we" so readily and naturally, especially when he was found alone, just felt awkward to me ... 

[drosophila]

Are you saying that if we get sick it's her fault... trying to put the suspicion on Cee I see. I'm watching you! 

 

Oops, just saw this and realized I never responded to it. The only thing you can blame on Cee is how tasty, scrumptuous, and tempting the cookies are. For the rest, the fault is all mine

[Uirebhiril]

The way Solas says it is correct. It's a quirk of writing/speech that is acceptable. There really is nothing more than that to read into it.

[ChuChu]

He's not talking in the past tense. I am trying to remember if this particular way of speaking has a name/which tense this is, but he's not talking in past tense. This is just how people talk.

 

To add my two cents in to the debate (and I agree with Cee), in the English language, this is just a way people talk. "Did" is used in many more ways than referencing the past, and particularly in forming a question (where did you think we were?).  "Did" is an auxiliary verb (do/does/did), affected by and is followed by a base form of a main verb. So since "think" is a present tense main verb, the auxiliary verb before it follows in suit.

It is correct

Edit: to clarify, the main verb is enacting semantics on the word "did" that make it make sense

[Cee]

I'm pretty tired so I could not remember which rules. But basically what ChuChu said.

[MayriyaNoori]

What bothered me is that, from a psychological standpoint, no one would even use the pronoun "we" in his circumstances, no matter what he was referencing. He was alone for 2 years, in his own thoughts. The others were probably never on his mind, especially since he was sitting around hopelessly in the repercussions of his mistake. Alone. 

 

By that time, the pronoun "we" would seem foreign, and would not come out in a sentence as a first reflex. I fully understand what it's referencing. I'm just thinking through the mind of someone who was alone for two years, in a cell, with nothing but his own thoughts. "I" is probably the only pronoun he used in his thoughts or outloud for most of the time he was locked up. Using the pronoun "we" so readily and naturally, especially when he was found alone, just felt awkward to me ... 

Maybe Solas likes to refer to himself with royal plural.

 

I doubt it, but how funny would it be if he did.

 

especially thinking of just woke up Solas talking to the Dalish trying to teach.

 

Solas: Well, we have walked the Fade. We know more than you.

Dalish: I.....'we'? Who is 'we'?

Solas:Doesn't everyone talk like this?

Dalish:........no.

Solas:*grabs notebook and begins writing* Gremlins do not use royal plural. Shame really, we were hoping that trend would have caught on ages ago when we witnessed it in the Fade.

Solas:Tell me, are there any other nuances to your language I should know about? In particular  while speaking elvhen.

Dalish: No one really speaks elvhen anymore. The Keeper can read a little bit of it though.

Solas: Excuse us?

[Caddius]

Spoiler

You too? We received an announcement for a threat tomorrow, but they did not tell us what it is. I'm not familiar with a history of shootings in our area. Your situation sounds a bit more worrisome, so perhaps you could call campus security and ask them for help?

 

Also, will your professor be willing to make the exam a take-home or schedule a make-up session? I'd advice you to email and ask in advance.

 

Spoiler

The school is aware of it, and says that they're consulting with the police. The threats are ambiguous enough, and the laws about threats over the Internet murky enough, that I don't think they're going to take him for questioning. They'll be updating everyone in the morning.
But yeah, I sent off an e-mail.

Your area too? You're in the States, right? Probably more ripples from the shooting in Oregon.

I think Solas's grammar is correct for English. We have a habit of coming up with rules that create horribly awkward sentences, then fudge the numbers so that the sentence sounds decent. We just tend to stop noticing by the time we're out of childhood, and the more technically correct way of saying it is foreign to our Yankee ears. 

[TheEggCrusher]

Maybe Solas likes to refer to himself with royal plural.

 

I doubt it, but how funny would it be if he did.

 

especially thinking of just woke up Solas talking to the Dalish trying to teach.

 

Solas: Well, we have walked the Fade. We know more than you.

Dalish: I.....'we'? Who is 'we'?

Solas:Doesn't everyone talk like this?

Dalish:........no.

Solas:*grabs notebook and begins writing* Gremlins do not use royal plural. Shame really, we were hoping that trend would have caught on ages ago when we witnessed it in the Fade.

Solas:Tell me, are there any other nuances to your language I should know about? In particular  while speaking elvhen.

Dalish: No one really speaks elvhen anymore. The Keeper can read a little bit of it though.

Solas: Excuse us?

This is exactly why it freaked me out!! Reminded me of Gollum from LoTR. The first time I heard it, I thought "Oh my god is this some weird hint that solas has some weird god spirit in him?" I ended up being kinda right when he absorbed whatever he did from Flemythal, but still ... even though I get what it was supposed to mean, it always freaks me out 

[Lynroy: Final Edition]

Just thought I'd share some other stuff I found on Tumblr.

Solavellan pumpkin carved for Halloween.

Source: http://giftwarden.tu...pkin-spooooooky

That is lovely. I love carving pumpkins and I may have a Solas pumpkin in my line up this year. Hopefully it turns out.

[MayriyaNoori]

This is exactly why it freaked me out!! Reminded me of Gollum from LoTR. The first time I heard it, I thought "Oh my god is this some weird hint that solas has some weird god spirit in him?" I ended up being kinda right when he absorbed whatever he did from Flemythal, but still ... even though I get what it was supposed to mean, it always freaks me out 

Gollum makes me sad.

 

=(

[Mairemalley]

To add my two cents in to the debate (and I agree with Cee), in the English language, this is just a way people talk. "Did" is used in many more ways than referencing the past, and particularly in forming a question (where did you think we were?).  "Did" is an auxiliary verb (do/does/did), affected by and is followed by a base form of a main verb. So since "think" is a present tense main verb, the auxiliary verb before it follows in suit.
It is correct

This is backwards. When an auxiliary verb is used it carries the tense, not the main verb.

Do you like your dinner?
Did you like your dinner?

These don't mean the same thing but the main verb is in the same tense. If you're sitting at the supper table chowing down, are you going to look up at someone about to stick a spoon of soup in their mouth and ask them "did you like the soup?" Probably not. You would ask "Do you like your soup?" Auxiliary verb carrying tense.

Not trying to be argumentative! It may be an acceptable colloquialism I've never heard, but it still isn't actually correct.

[Mairemalley]

Or to put it another way, if we assume that the sentence follows the main verb is in the present tense, it would read "Where did you think we are?" It doesn't. The 'were' follows the auxiliary verb and is in the past tense. The sentence IS definitely past tense.

The question of whether or not the speaker actually intends for it to be is different.

[TheEggCrusher]

Gollum makes me sad.

 

=(

if we start relating Solas to Gollum I think I'm going to cry. I already have enough sads, and I was just starting to feel better ;-; 

 

but seriously though the whole redemption theme with Gollum is actually pretty relatable to Solas. 

 

"He had proved tougher than even one of the Wise would have guessed – as a Hobbit [old bald elf man] might. There was a little corner of his mind that was still his own, and light came through it, as through a chink in the dark: light out of the past, it was actually pleasant, I think, to hear a kindly voice again, bringing up such memories of wind, and trees, and sun on the grass, and such forgotten things." -Gandalf

 

Solas let me save you please   

[CapricornSun]

 

This is exactly why it freaked me out!! Reminded me of Gollum from LoTR. The first time I heard it, I thought "Oh my god is this some weird hint that solas has some weird god spirit in him?" I ended up being kinda right when he absorbed whatever he did from Flemythal, but still ... even though I get what it was supposed to mean, it always freaks me out 

 

 

Umm, are you sure you're not over-analyzing the whole "We saw you die" line? I really never saw it that way and thought it's just stating the obvious -- that Solas and the rest of the companions saw Quizzy and Dorian "die".

 

(Yes, I read your post on the psychological standpoint btw.)

[Cee]

Or to put it another way, if we assume that the sentence follows the main verb is in the present tense, it would read "Where did you think we are?" It doesn't. The 'were' follows the auxiliary verb and is in the past tense. The sentence IS definitely past tense.

The question of whether or not the speaker actually intends for it to be is different.

 

Saying did and were are simple verb tense agreement, yes. It sounds like a past tense but is technically correct in present discussions. In speech, we use this a lot. You're reading way too much into it.
 

[Garnet]

Sometimes it does sound like Solas is using the royal "we" like after Haven is destroyed and he does his sexy veilfire walk.

I do agree though. English can be weird like that but It's just him saying everyone who was present at the time thought Quizzy was dead. The past-tense "Where did you think we were?" is just saying "Where did you think we were the entire time we've been here?"

Empress Celene uses the royal "we" too. I love the use of royal "we." It reminds me of Katamari. 

For um.. reference...?

 

Oh! TOP picture!

From here I think.

[rowrow]

... it would be quite easy to write a potentially unhealthy power imbalance into their relationship. Lavellan would be the object of his affection in quite a literal sense, put on a pedestal, where he is projecting qualities onto her which she simply does not have, and she feels pressured to meet these astounding expectations of a much older man that she can't possibly live up to.

In short, it could have easily been pretty messed up. Especially given the Trespasser revelations which stated he didn't really think she was a person at first.

The fact that Lavellan chases him is important. The fact that he isn't expecting anything of her - only to be caught off guard, is important. I don't really mind how feminine/masculine she is, because we sometimes imply those expressions of behaviour are more closely tied to power than she actually is.

 

The imbalance thing was a big sticking point for me, for a while.

 

I don't see Solas as the kind of person to put anyone on a pedastal, not even someone he loves. It doesn't seem in him to do that, which I like. If anything, he's so frequently surprised by people's better natures that even when he's trying to sincerely compliment them it often comes across as rather insulting. There's a banter where Cassandra says that for Solas to be 'surprised' by her so often, he must have a pretty low opinion of her. I shouted "thank you!" at the screen. As much as I like and love Solas, his condescension -  intentional or not - was always profoundly irritating. There were times, such as when he calls Varric "Child of the Stone", that I kinda wanted to punch him. For most of the game though, I took it as a trait that made him more ... ah, not human, but fallible and relatable. So with the reveal at the end of DAI, my reaction was pretty intensely negative, not just because of the untruths, but because I had to adjust my view of everything that made Solas more "human" ... and find that he was now less so. And I don't know how I'm supposed to feel about inadvertantly romancing a god, but for me the reaction tends to 'ick'. There were already times when he says something 'nice' to the inquisitor in a way that made me feel like she should be getting a dog biscuit and a pat on the head, and that was bad enough. Now I *actually* had to ask myself if he even saw her as a person rather than an amusing pet. Which felt really disturbing. I replayed some of the scenes and chose to conclude that 1) Solas would not choose to use a person that way, and/or  2) he does in fact genuinely admire and care for the inquisitor ... though apparently not enough not to want to destroy her and everything she loves. Ugh. Must not start the spiral...

 

Anyway, I am grateful that, as you said, the relationship is for the most part presented as one of equals, at least enough that I can believe it was real. For a while - shortly after finding out who he is - I was feeling gross enough that I was ready to erase the romance from my headcanon.

 

But I didn't. I wonder how much I'll come to regret that in time.

[TheEggCrusher]

 

 

 

 

Umm, are you sure you're not over-analyzing the whole "We say you die" line? I really never saw it that way and thought it's just stating the obvious -- that Solas and the rest of the companions saw Quizzy and Dorian "die".

 

(And yes, I read your post on the psychological standpoint btw.)

 

honestly, I wouldn't mind if it was because I was thinking about it too much. Rather, it was immediate that it sounded weird to me. Right when I heard that line i was like "whaaaaat?" 

 

it just sounded weird, and after I thought about it I came up with my reasons. It'll never sound normal to me 

[rowrow]

Since I had a spot open in my usual party with the departure of Solas, and I played a DW rogue, I did a respec and made Cole assassin archer and gave him the JoH bow with a rune as well as guard on hit applied to his armor. I gave all of us guard on hit, I think, except Cassandra since she generated it anyway.

 

I love guard-on-hit. Fade-touched Obsidian, mmmm.

 

I find the image of Cole as an archer hilarious, though. I don't know why

[MayriyaNoori]

So, I have been hunting for a really epic fantasy series to start reading and was wondering if any folks here had any good suggestions.

I am in need of a new book addiction.

[Garnet]

So, I have been hunting for a really epic fantasy series to start reading and was wondering if any folks here had any good suggestions.

I am in need of a new book addiction.

I recently started "The Wheel of Time" series by Robert Jordan. I'm not far enough into it to have a true opinion of it yet.

[TheEggCrusher]

So, I have been hunting for a really epic fantasy series to start reading and was wondering if any folks here had any good suggestions.

I am in need of a new book addiction.

Uprooted is the first of a series that came out a couple months ago. Really good!! It's not exactly "epic" fantasy, but it's really magical and just a great  read XD

 

The same author also has another fantasy series. I think the series is called "Temeraire." Haven't read it, but the author is great

[Mairemalley]

Saying did and were are simple verb tense agreement, yes. It sounds like a past tense but is technically correct in present discussions. In speech, we use this a lot. You're reading way too much into it.

I'm not reading much of anything into it. I asked if it meant something. It may, or it may be a colloquialism I've never heard. You've confirmed that it is used in informal speech.

My argument is not based on that. It's based on the insistence that it is "technically correct". A colloquial construction that goes against grammatical rules is the opposite of technically correct. It may be acceptable in informal conversation but it remains grammatically incorrect*.

Not having heard it used in speech before, all I could see in it was a bizarre use of the past tense. You've clarified that it can be informally used even when past tense is not intended. All is well with the world.
Correction: it's gramatically correct but semantically incorrect

[Mairemalley]

So, I have been hunting for a really epic fantasy series to start reading and was wondering if any folks here had any good suggestions.
I am in need of a new book addiction.

ASOIAF? The Silmarillion (not really a series)? Aubrey/Maturin? <---- not fantasy, but awesome and serial!

[rowrow]

What bothered me is that, from a psychological standpoint, no one would even use the pronoun "we" in his circumstances, no matter what he was referencing. He was alone for 2 years, in his own thoughts. The others were probably never on his mind, especially since he was sitting around hopelessly in the repercussions of his mistake. Alone. 

 

By that time, the pronoun "we" would seem foreign, and would not come out in a sentence as a first reflex. I fully understand what it's referencing. I'm just thinking through the mind of someone who was alone for two years, in a cell, with nothing but his own thoughts. "I" is probably the only pronoun he used in his thoughts or outloud for most of the time he was locked up. Using the pronoun "we" so readily and naturally, especially when he was found alone, just felt awkward to me ... 

 

But ... Cassandra was just in the cell next door. Just a few feet away. At least in my playthrough

 

What I find more curious is that he stayed in that cell so long. That he of all people didn't find some way to escape. I took it as an indicator of profound despair that he was still just sitting around there when we found him.