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[slmisfit]

Solas is basically saying, "Where did you think we were ​this whole time?"

[MayriyaNoori]

ASOIAF? The Silmarillion (not really a series)? Aubrey/Maturin? <---- not fantasy, but awesome and serial!

 

I didn't like ASOIAF. I'm sure I'm the minority of the population of this but it just wasn't my cup of tea.

 

I do like Tolkien though, so I will add The Silmarillion to my list.

 

What is Aubrey/Maturin? =o

[TheEggCrusher]

But ... Cassandra was just in the cell next door. Just a few feet away. At least in my playthrough

 

What I find more curious is that he stayed in that cell so long. That he of all people didn't find some way to escape. I took it as an indicator of profound despair that he was still just sitting around there when we found him.

he probably gave up, thinking he had nothing left to save (and he was right) 

 

anyyways, I've got to go and get my homework done 

 

I'm actually happy I stopped lurking for a bit. I got named Honorary Lord of The Sith and talked about solas in a tutu and everything. i love how weird we can be some times 

 

Bye guys

 

edit: @MayriyaNoori I don't like ASOIAF either. too much sex for me. also not fantastical enough. Lord of The Rings is my go-to fantasy series. it's perfect XD

[roselavellan]

Hmm, I thought the "we saw you die" line felt normal. In my game Cassandra was 2 cells away from him, so it seemed to me that he was not entirely alone. Also I saw it a little as him re-living a little the trauma of the aftermath of your disappearance, hearing it made me really sad, thinking of everything the companions must have suffered.

I don't really see Solas as someone who would use the royal we.

[Mairemalley]

I didn't like ASOIAF. I'm sure I'm the minority of the population of this but it just wasn't my cup of tea.

I do like Tolkien though, so I will add The Silmarillion to my list.

What is Aubrey/Maturin? =o

https://en.m.wikiped...–Maturin_series

Set during the napoleonic wars, about a ship captain and his friend, the ship's surgeon and a spy. The writing and characterization a are absolutely fantastic! (The Master and Commander film is quite loosely based on the books). Stephen Maturin is so Solas-like, sans godhood, it's not even funny.

[MayriyaNoori]

he probably gave up, thinking he had nothing left to save (and he was right) 

 

anyyways, I've got to go and get my homework done 

 

I'm actually happy I stopped lurking for a bit. I got named Honorary Lord of The Sith and talked about solas in a tutu and everything. i love how weird we can be some times 

 

Bye guys

 

edit: @MayriyaNoori I don't like ASOIAF either. too much sex for me. also not fantastical enough. Lord of The Rings is my go-to fantasy series. it's perfect XD

[CapricornSun]

But ... Cassandra was just in the cell next door. Just a few feet away. At least in my playthrough

 

What I find more curious is that he stayed in that cell so long. That he of all people didn't find some way to escape. I took it as an indicator of profound despair that he was still just sitting around there when we found him.

 

Hmm, I thought the "we saw you die" line felt normal. In my game Cassandra was 2 cells away from him, so it seemed to me that he was not entirely alone. Also I saw it a little as him re-living a little the trauma of the aftermath of your disappearance, hearing it made me really sad, thinking of everything the companions must have suffered.

I don't really see Solas as someone who would use the royal we.

 

Basically agreeing with both of you here. I also had Cassandra sitting a few cells away from him in my playthrough as well so the "we saw you die" line was perfectly normal to me.

[Ajna]

Basically agreeing with both of you here. I also had Cassandra sitting a few cells away from him in my playthrough as well so the "we saw you die" line was perfectly normal to me.

 

More agreement from me too.

[MayriyaNoori]

https://en.m.wikiped...–Maturin_series

Set during the napoleonic wars, about a ship captain and his friend, the ship's surgeon and a spy. The writing and characterization a are absolutely fantastic! (The Master and Commander film is quite loosely based on the books). Stephen Maturin is so Solas-like, sans godhood, it's not even funny.

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

[GoldenGail3]

*Agh, i hate Velanna and Nathienal's sister* Coming back for Awakening, as a Guy Cousland who romanced Morrigan, i was so mad at Nathienal's sister, she called me a 'upstart bratty Cousland boy' right in front of my face. Nor did she apology, she only called it awkward. I don't hate Velanna, i love trolling her. It's really fun to get disapproval of her. 

 

Oh, and about Solas, i hope he isn't another Morrigan, because it seems like it. Apostates. The people that abandon us/or use us, ugh. The only mages that hasn't left us yet are the Circle mages! (Besides Dorian, and he doesn't dump you in his wake, so he doesn't count). 

[ChuChu]

Correction: it's gramatically correct but semantically incorrect

When I said that the main verb affects the auxiliary verb (and follows in suit)... I was referencing the semantics. Sorry,  I was just identifying one piece of the clause vs another piece, and didn't mean to imply the variation of tense past/present/future. 'Did' cannot become 'do'. However, 'did' is affected by the main verb in the sense that it carries the semantic element. It is not incorrect to write or to say "Where did you think we were?" as opposed to something like "Where do you think we are?". Though the voice is different in both, obviously ;P

Hopefully that answers your confusion as to my earlier statement

I can't find much right now, so I shall resort to wikipedia: "auxiliary verb is a verb that adds functional or grammatical meaning to the clause in which it appears ...to express tense, aspect, modality, voice, emphasis, etc. Auxiliary verbs usually accompany a main verb. The main verb provides the main semantic content of the clause. "

[Janic99]

Yesterday I promised sliders for both of my Lavellan's and here they are. Now I can't take full credit of these sliders, because they are tweaked versions from sliders posted somewhere (lost my sources to the great computer crash). Inside spoilers there are in-game screenshots of my elves, just for reference. I tried to upload all relevant sliders, but if something is missing let me know.

 

Mahanon Lavellan

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I made his forehead a little wider than it is in this picture, because honestly it needed to be tweaked a little.

 

Evalla Lavellan

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YAYAAY! thank you so much!! *_* I still need to do some catching up with the forum from yesterday cause Solas took me into the fade in the middle of all conversations hahaha

[Mairemalley]

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

I love it dearly, so I'm very biased. So have some Solasy Stephen quotations:

"I am opposed to authority, that egg of misery and oppression; I am opposed to it too for what it does to those who exercise it."

"Stephen had spared no expense in making himself more unhappy."

"But you know as well as I, patriotism is a word; and one that generally comes to mean either my country, right or wrong, which is infamous, or my country is always right, which is imbecile."

"Man as part of a movement or a crowd is inhuman. The only feelings I have --for what they are-- are for men as individuals; my loyalties, such as they are, are for private persons alone."

"I am in favour of leaving people alone."

"[much cursing] do you think that I am a hired spy, an informer? That I have a master, for god's love? You silly little man."

"It is only that I dislike the whole notion of subordination."

[Illyria]

That's true, which is why - as much as I love the idea of the Inquisitor being the main protagonist - I doubt it'll actually happen. Dual-protag (which I'm against) at least, new protag is more likely.  Totally ready to eat my hat though.

 

I always skip the first three seasons. D: Too much Angel, not enough Spike!

 

Buffy/Angel is better!

[Illyria]

^Yep, all of this.

I think it's worth noting that her demeanour needs to be read in the context of her actions. Femininity needn't be weak or passive. Lavellan is always taking an active, assertive role in the progress of the relationship, and I think this is a better indicator of where they stand.

With a character like Solas, whose experience and knowledge (and by Trespasser, brute power) far outrank the Inquisitor's, and where an important plot/character point is how Lavellan is unique and special to him, it would be quite easy to write a potentially unhealthy power imbalance into their relationship. Lavellan would be the object of his affection in quite a literal sense, put on a pedestal, where he is projecting qualities onto her which she simply does not have, and she feels pressured to meet these astounding expectations of a much older man that she can't possibly live up to.

In short, it could have easily been pretty messed up. Especially given the Trespasser revelations which stated he didn't really think she was a person at first.

The fact that Lavellan chases him is important. The fact that he isn't expecting anything of her - only to be caught off guard, is important. I don't really mind how feminine/masculine she is, because we sometimes imply those expressions of behaviour are more closely tied to power than she actually is.

 

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The power imbalance is why I've always hated the hahren/da'len thing in fanfiction.  And Trespasser just made that trope about a billion times squickier to me.
 

[Asperath]

Hi all

I recently finished the entire game including Trespasser (for the first time) with a Solas romancer and have to say... I found his romance compelling and heartbreaking.

 

My cannon is a Trev/Cullen and usually I post solely in the Cullen thread but about a day before Trespasser released I decided to do a Lavellan PT... It's taken me a month of avoiding the forums and rl to get through it but... I have a much better appreciation for Solas.

 

I've only just finished the game & having some... I dunno, I guess difficulty settling between what he's said/done/plans when it comes to a romanced Lavellan.

I dunno, if that's because I've only just finished playing, or my own hang ups... *shrug*

[Mairemalley]

When I said that the main verb affects the auxiliary verb (and follows in suit)... I was referencing the semantics. Sorry,  I was just identifying one piece of the clause vs another piece, and didn't mean to imply the variation of tense past/present/future. 'Did' cannot become 'do'. However, 'did' is affected by the main verb in the sense that it carries the semantic element. It is not incorrect to write or to say "Where did you think we were?" as opposed to something like "Where do you think we are?".

Hopefully that answers your confusion as to my earlier statement

I can't find much right now, so I shall resort to wikipedia: "auxiliary verb is a verb that adds functional or grammatical meaning to the clause in which it appears ...to express tense, aspect, modality, voice, emphasis, etc. Auxiliary verbs usually accompany a main verb. The main verb provides the main semantic content of the clause. "

Ok.  So the main verb carries the main semantic element.  In this case, the most important information being conveyed is that it is Quizzie's act of thinking.  

 

So far so good.  But then  "auxiliary verb is a verb that adds functional or grammatical meaning to the clause in which it appears ...to express tense..."  Thus the auxiliary verb (did) is adding additional information to the main verb (think), in this case providing it with tense.   The auxiliary verb used here specifies that the thinking took place in the past.

 

In "Where do you think we are?"  'Do' is adding meaning to the main verb 'think', specifying that the thinking is a present action.

In "Where did you think we were?" 'Did' is adding meaning to the main verb 'think', specifying that the thinking took place in the past.

 

In both cases, the main intent of the sentence is to inquire into Quizzie's thinking.  The choice of auxiliary verb doesn't change that.  It does, however, slightly change the specifics of the question.  That's what I meant by 'semantically incorrect', since in this context the thinking in question is pretty clearly ongoing at the time of speaking.

 

Not that it's usage is necessarily important or relevant.  Just odd.

[Shari'El]

Yesterday I promised sliders for both of my Lavellan's and here they are. Now I can't take full credit of these sliders, because they are tweaked versions from sliders posted somewhere (lost my sources to the great computer crash). Inside spoilers there are in-game screenshots of my elves, just for reference. I tried to upload all relevant sliders, but if something is missing let me know.

 

Mahanon Lavellan

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I made his forehead a little wider than it is in this picture, because honestly it needed to be tweaked a little.

 

Evalla Lavellan

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You're awesome! Thank you

[Solas]

^Yep, all of this.I think it's worth noting that her demeanour needs to be read in the context of her actions. Femininity needn't be weak or passive. Lavellan is always taking an active, assertive role in the progress of the relationship, and I think this is a better indicator of where they stand.With a character like Solas, whose experience and knowledge (and by Trespasser, brute power) far outrank the Inquisitor's, and where an important plot/character point is how Lavellan is unique and special to him, it would be quite easy to write a potentially unhealthy power imbalance into their relationship. Lavellan would be the object of his affection in quite a literal sense, put on a pedestal, where he is projecting qualities onto her which she simply does not have, and she feels pressured to meet these astounding expectations of a much older man that she can't possibly live up to.In short, it could have easily been pretty messed up. Especially given the Trespasser revelations which stated he didn't really think she was a person at first.The fact that Lavellan chases him is important. The fact that he isn't expecting anything of her - only to be caught off guard, is important. I don't really mind how feminine/masculine she is, because we sometimes imply those expressions of behaviour are more closely tied to power than she actually is.

This kinda touches on why for me I prefer to romance Solas with an older more experienced and confident Lavellan. Zero issues with those who do otherwise, everyone can do as they wish in their own games of course and what others do in their game has no effect on me - it's just a personal thing on my part. The Inquisitor rises to a huge position of power during DA:I, but even with that there is still a considerable and obvious gap between her and Solas in terms of power and status (I'm not suggesting she's weak, far from it, but he is literally a god-like entity who is thousands of years old). The Inquisitor still has agency and the power dynamic isn't weird or skeevy really thanks to the way they wrote the romance, but for me it's a big enough gap as it is, I don't want to add to it by having her also be a 18-20 sorta age young virginal innocent maiden in the flower of her youth as pure as driven snow etcetc. Feel more comfortable using an experienced and older and more mature Lavellan instead.

[Mairemalley]

Because over analyzing things is fun:

 

Istimaethoriel's name is perfect Sindarin (one of Tolkien's elf languages).  Translates to something like 'woman who fights for knowledge'.  Ist + glider vowel = knowledge, lore  Maethor = warrior  -iel  = feminine ending.

 

It's awfully appropriate for a Keeper to be coincidental  

[CapricornSun]

Another art post. 

 

Lovely art of Lavellan and a very playful Dread Wolf. 

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Source: http://wtf0x.tumblr....st/130498522251

 

 

Gorgeous art of Lavellan as the new Fen'Harel by shalizeh7. (I don't remember if this has been shared before.)

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Source: http://shalizeh7.tum...-because-of-the

 

 

Dalish Wedding. (Solavellan)

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Source: http://ladytheirinsb...-again-yes-were

 

 

May the Dread Wolf never find you. (Solas with hair holding Lavellan's hand.)

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Source: http://faustianart.t...find-you-listen

 

 

Solas would rather that you knock first before entering. (Hnnngh... Annoyed, shirtless Solas.  )

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Source: http://moelefay.tumb...-for-the-old-as

 

 

Solas as Mythal's general/honor guard. Oooh!

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Source: http://destinyaposta...n-i-was-younger

 

 

Pretty sketch of Solas.

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Source: http://biotic-aposta...f-solas-feels-i

 

 

Sketch of young pouty Solas.

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Source: http://thewolfwhocri...-rendition-of-a

 

[ChuChu]

Ok.  So the main verb carries the main semantic element.  In this case, the most important information being conveyed is that it is Quizzie's act of thinking.  

 

So far so good.  But then  "auxiliary verb is a verb that adds functional or grammatical meaning to the clause in which it appears ...to express tense..."  Thus the auxiliary verb (did) is adding additional information to the main verb (think), in this case providing it with tense.   The auxiliary verb used here specifies that the thinking took place in the past.

 

In "Where do you think we are?"  'Do' is adding meaning to the main verb 'think', specifying that the thinking is a present action.

In "Where did you think we were?" 'Did' is adding meaning to the main verb 'think', specifying that the thinking took place in the past.

 

In both cases, the main intent of the sentence is to inquire into Quizzie's thinking.  The choice of auxiliary verb doesn't change that.  It does, however, slightly change the specifics of the question.  That's what I meant by 'semantically incorrect', since in this context the thinking in question is pretty clearly ongoing at the time of speaking.

 

Not that it's usage is necessarily important or relevant.  Just odd.

Ok! I get the question now. 

So to answer that we just have to hit rewind a bit on the scene. It goes like this:
(smoochy smoochy kiss kiss oh no you didn't come here you smooch smooch omg it's been forever since I've done this let's do it again smooch smooch)
Solas: We shouldn't. It isn't right. Not even here. (giving you a hint)
Lavellan: What do you mean, "even here?" (begins to doubt)
Solas: Where did you think we were? (amused tone)
Lavellan: This isn't real. (good girl)

Yes, I did write that all out just because I really wanted to do the first bit. Heh. But as for the rest of it:
Since there is no definitive point of time given in the sentence or scene, it can be implied that he is meaning '... up to and including this point'. They traversed various areas of Haven up till the time he asks her this. If he were to say, "where do you think we are", to me, implies where she thinks she is in that very present moment (the stables? idk)... whereas "where did you think we were" encompasses more than the present situation and place. As opposed to where she was in Haven, it means where she is in general -- Haven or some place else? And thus... at least to me... seems adequate (even semantically!).

Laaaa~
 

[Tanyara]

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Actually, he tells both romanced, befriended and enemy Inquisitor that the world MAY be destroyed. It's not 100% certain, just like we don't have 100% certainly what exactly he wants to accomplish, by what means and why exactly are other people in danger.

 

Also - I'm not making excuses: what I'm telling is that he doesn't necessarily wants to restore Elvenhan and predominantly focuses on un-Tranquilizing the world.

 

 

I've also thought about this.... 

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...the first time I heard Solas say it, my reaction was "WHAAAAAAT, OMG you can´t kill everyone in the world!!! O_o"

But he never actually says that everyone WILL die. He doesn't even say that a majority of people will die (although it is probable that a large number will imo). What he says is that "this world must die" and "as this world burns in chaos".

 

That doesn't necessarily mean all the people in it will automatically die(or is it just me being naive and optimistic?^^). I see it as a huuuuge change in the order of the world of Thedas, which of course will be tumultuous and chaotic (and people will die) - but not a mass extinction...

[Mairemalley]

Ok! I get the question now. 
So to answer that we just have to hit rewind a bit on the scene. It goes like this:
(smoochy smoochy kiss kiss oh no you didn't come here you smooch smooch omg it's been forever since I've done this let's do it again smooch smooch)
Solas: We shouldn't. It isn't right. Not even here. (giving you a hint)
Lavellan: What do you mean, "even here?" (begins to doubt)
Solas: Where did you think we were? (amused tone)
Lavellan: This isn't real. (good girl)
Yes, I did write that all out just because I really wanted to do the first bit. Heh. But as for the rest of it:
Since there is no definitive point of time given in the sentence or scene, it can be implied that he is meaning '... up to and including this point'. They traversed various areas of Haven up till the time he asks her this. If he were to say, "where do you think we are", to me, implies where she thinks she is in that very present moment (the stables? idk)... whereas "where did you think you were" encompasses more than the present situation and place. As opposed to where she was in Haven, it means where she is in general -- Haven or some place else? And thus... at least to me... seems adequate (and as I mentioned above, even semantically!).
Laaaa~

This is glorious! And a bit reminiscent of Sera!

Looking at this way, I 100% agree, it makes both semantic and grammatical sense. And heads off a very awkward conversation.

"Where do you think we are?"
"Near the requisition table."
"Which is...?"
"In front of the chantry."
"And the chantry is...?"
"...west of the bridge?"
*sigh* "yes, but is that bridge --"
"West of ferelden? I don't know, Solas, but this is getting weird."
*clenched teeth* "I agree." *gives up on gremlins*

[MayriyaNoori]

*comes back to thread and reads*

 

You know, I wonder if the other threads on BSN are cool enough to have debates/discussions about auxiliary verbs.

 

I find it pretty boss myself.