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So in honor of the favorite Dirthamen (at least to myself and Drospohila! Who else is with us!?), I made a thing today:

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Because Dirthamen has ravens, yeah? The question is: is this raven "Fear" or "Deceit"?
 
I also did one of an Elfroot which is a really simple design and I'm kinda embarrassed but ahh if you guys get a laugh out of it then it's worth it! Behold the DIVINE elfroot! :lol: :
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Solas said Elfroot had a different name in Elven, does anyone know it? And I find it kinda funny that it's medicinal properties were re-discovered in 4:20.. RE-discovered, so the elves used it before that? Also in JoH scout Harding says the inquisitor has a special interest in it.. ;).

 

Anyhow.. *hangs head in shame of self art post*.


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It made me go well eff you Solas! My Lavellan was a person before your a-holiness even acknowledge her as such! There are moments when I feel such a disconnect with Lavellan.

After Solas admits his plans Lavellan feels

Heartbroken, hurt, betrayed, anguished, pained, other words that sound better than sad, guilty, used, and a little resentful (she hasn't had time to process anything yet).

After Solas reveals his plans I feel

"WHAT THE EFFING HECK SOLAS!? YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THIS CALLOUS! IF YOU LOVE LAVELLAN LOVE HEEERR. I HATE YOU SO MUCH RIGHT NOW! STUPID BALD ELF I'M GOING TO MURDER YOU!!!!"

So lots of anger

And then Lavellan says "love conquers all *.*!" Lavellan is an optimistic little unicorn, I am not.

 

Haha, I don't remember being quite that coherent myself. Just lots and lots of :crying:


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I certainly believe that his feelings have deepened further by the end of the game. However I've also read that in the breakup scene he is supposedly ready to give it all up to be with her, and I don't see evidence for that myself.
 
It's late and I'm off to bed, so don't have time to really get in-depth with this like I would... but since it was Weekes who said Solas was ready to give it all up in that moment, it's hard to argue that it wasn't true. I'll trust the character's creator over idle speculation, so that's probably why you've seen it spoken of before. :)


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It made me go well eff you Solas! My Lavellan was a person before your a-holiness even acknowledge her as such! There are moments when I feel such a disconnect with Lavellan.
After Solas admits his plans Lavellan feels
Heartbroken, hurt, betrayed, anguished, pained, other words that sound better than sad, guilty, used, and a little resentful (she hasn't had time to process anything yet).
After Solas reveals his plans I feel
"WHAT THE EFFING HECK SOLAS!? YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THIS CALLOUS! IF YOU LOVE LAVELLAN LOVE HEEERR. I HATE YOU SO MUCH RIGHT NOW! STUPID BALD ELF I'M GOING TO MURDER YOU!!!!"
So lots of anger
And then Lavellan says "love conquers all *.*!" Lavellan is an optimistic little unicorn, I am not.

Yes all of this but I felt like grabbing him and chocking him a little, why solas why in all the worlds why. Lavellan will never give up never. Sorry I didn't reply to your early post I came back and there were all new pages going wild ;) haha
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It's late and I'm off to bed, so don't have time to really get in-depth with this like I would... but since it was Weekes who said Solas was ready to give it all up in that moment, it's hard to argue that it wasn't true. I'll trust the character's creator over idle speculation, so that's probably why you've seen it spoken of before. :)

 

 

Well, that's certainly something ... but I'm still like ... where is it in the text? I'm stubborn that way, haha.

 

Anyway, good night :)



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Hey guys, what are all the symbols and iconography (animals etc) that represent each member the pantheon (that we are aware of or guess at?)? I'm too lazy to check on them all right now and I'm sure someone here is an ace at knowledge of that sort



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If you're a rival elf Inquisitor and you ask to join him you'' say (might not be exact) "I'd give my life to restore the elven people." then Solas replies with "Would you give the lives of everyone you've ever known?"

 

Yes, he does say that, but that doesn't contradict my point. He doesn't use the word "kill" or say outright "people will die", that line could also be read as "you say you would give everything to restore the elves, would you do it on the expense of the lives of others?". It's not even clear how much of it is related directly to his goal and how much is to put off the Inquisitor by serving as an example.

I'm trying to say that I think the removal of the Veil isn't like pressing an insta-kill button, If dropping the Veil means chaos (mags, titans, spirits, etc.) then a lot would die, but not as a direct consequence of the removal itself.

 

When asked "why does this world has to die for the elves to return?" he answers:

"A good question, but not one I will answer."

Low-approval: “You will survive this day, Inquisitor, and though I owed you an explanation, I will not give you tools to use against me.

High-approval: "You have always shown a thoughtfulness I respected. It would be too easy to tell you too much."

 

I don't think he is speaking about stopping the removal of the Veil, it's obvious the Inquisitor can't, Solas is a demi-god in his powers and the Inquisitor cannot oppose him directly.

It's not clear if "you will survive this day" speaks about the current day or some day in the future in which Solas sunders the Veil, but if it's the latter - it's even more telling.

If the Inquisitor knew why his plan would result in chaos they could take countermeasures to ensure the survival of most people, so he can't tell them that. I imagine that if most of the Thedosians will live through the merging of the worlds then the ancient elves would be outnumbered and wiped out in some Exalted March, thus ruining Solas' plans of restoration of his people.

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Hey guys, what are all the symbols and iconography (animals etc) that represent each member the pantheon (that we are aware of or guess at?)? I'm too lazy to check on them all right now and I'm sure someone here is an ace at knowledge of that sort

 

Dirthamen - Ravens,

Andruil - Hawk and hare,

Falon'din - Owl,

Ghilan'nain - Halla,

Mythal - Dragon, moon,

Elgar'nan - Lightning, sun,

Sylaise - Fire, herbs, domestic arts,

June -  Crafted weapons.

 

And I think you'll know which one Fen'harel is ;).


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Dirthamen - Ravens,

Andruil - Hawk and the hare,

Falon'din - Owl,

Ghilan'nain - Halla,

Mythal - Dragon, moon,

Elgar'nan, Sylaise and June - I don't think they have animal representations. Elgar'nan might have a dragon though.

 

And I think you'll know which one Fen'harel is ;).

 

Isn't the symbol for Sylaise fire? Or something like that. Her statues tend to have her holding a flame brazier right?

 

Also, if you check out June's dragonwiki page....it has a picture of a skull with horns to represent him.

 

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Isn't the symbol for Sylaise fire? Or something like that. Her statues tend to have her holding a flame brazier right?

 

Yeah as I posted that I realized Chuchu asked for symbols in general and not just animals, edited it again to add more.

 

And there are lots of skulls representing the creators, and they looks very strange.. Like the Old God symbolism and statues found in origins.


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Yes, he does say that, but that doesn't contradict my point. He doesn't use the word "kill" or say outright "people will die", that line could also be read as "you say you would give everything to restore the elves, would you do it on the expense of the lives of others?". It's not even clear how much of it is related directly to his goal and how much is to put off the Inquisitor by serving as an example.

I'm trying to say that I think the removal of the Veil isn't like pressing an insta-kill button, If dropping the Veil means chaos (mags, titans, spirits, etc.) then a lot would die, but not as a direct consequence of the removal itself.

Considering that when we go into the future for the mage quest the veil is down, as confirmed by Solas, and no one seems to be having any problems physically (quissy,  companions, venatori, etc) I'm fairly sure that it would be the indirect repercussions of Solas's plan combined with the chaos of the tearing down of the veil that would kill mass amounts of people. 

 

When Solas said he wants to restore the "world of the elves" that sounded pretty world-dominationy to me. I'm worried he actually plans on destroying all other countries and peoples for the sake of "what was." Through this, mass amounts of people will die, though he must do it, since he was the one that destroyed his people, and he must bring them back himself, no matter the cost. Ugh the more I think about it the more disgusted I become with the whole situation. uuuggghhh 

 

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Oh god. If anybody were to ask me what my greatest fear is right now, I'm pretty sure the answer would be: DA4 not getting released due to extraneous circumstances  :lol:


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Dirthamen - Ravens,

Andruil - Hawk and hare,

Falon'din - Owl,

Ghilan'nain - Halla,

Mythal - Dragon, moon,

Elgar'nan - Lightning, sun,

Sylaise - Fire, herbs, domestic arts,

June -  Crafted weapons.

 

And I think you'll know which one Fen'harel is ;).

This reminds about those glyphs from Exalted Plains. Now I wonder if there is a story hidden there.

 

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Considering that when we go into the future for the mage quest the veil is down, as confirmed by Solas, and no one seems to be having any problems physically (quissy,  companions, venatori, etc) I'm fairly sure that it would be the indirect repercussions of Solas's plan combined with the chaos of the tearing down of the veil that would kill mass amounts of people. 

 

Ughhh why do I keep forgetting about In Hushed Whispers? I've done that quest 4 times alreadyyyyyy.

I do think that the removal of the Veil altogether will also look different than the breach expanding and expanding until the Veil is no longer, in the second situation, i.e, a lot of spirits get pulled through and get corrupted. Maybe even most of the spirits got corrupted, save for the few who managed to hide until the Veil was no longer.


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Dirthamen - Ravens,

Andruil - Hawk and hare,

Falon'din - Owl,

Ghilan'nain - Halla,

Mythal - Dragon, moon,

Elgar'nan - Lightning, sun,

Sylaise - Fire, herbs, domestic arts,

June -  Crafted weapons.

 

And I think you'll know which one Fen'harel is ;).

 

A kitty cat?

 

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Did he want to believe it could be forever? I don't know. During the balcony scene, he says that "it would kinder, in the long run" (to walk away). So at that point at least, it doesn't sound like he's counting on a future for them. I'm also not sure that I believe that it would be that easy for Solas to throw himself into an involvement unless he's already decided in advance on the outcome - ironically, the more reckless he's willing to be emotionally, the more I see it as a sign that he's already accepted that it will end when the time comes. He himself says it was a selfish decision for him to start something with her. 

 

I certainly believe that his feelings have deepened further by the end of the game. However I've also read that in the breakup scene he is supposedly ready to give it all up to be with her, and I don't see evidence for that myself. Right before that scene, he asks you (paraphrasing) what you would do if your efforts to help the world just kept making things worse. I picked the line "you take a breath, figure out what went wrong, and keep trying." And that response seemed to make him very happy. If anything, it seems like we encouraged him to keep on with his mission. I haven't tried the other responses, though. I suppose they could give the scene that follows a different tone, depending.

 

IIRC any supportive comment made when he asks can be taken as encouragement for him to carry on with his plans. I always choose the "put things back the way things were", and he questions you about it, where you follow with "Yes, well, not exactly-" but he interrupts saying he knew what you meant and thanks you.

 

With Trespasser, I'm taking it that all Inquisitors are supposed to go forward feeling at least partially responsible for Solas and what's he's doing, even if it's just with that comment alone.

 

Well, that's certainly something ... but I'm still like ... where is it in the text? I'm stubborn that way, haha.

 

I'm with you on this. I know - on a meta level - that Solas intended to give everything up when he took Lavellan to Crestwood and tell her the full truth, but there's absolutely no way Lavellan herself knows. Perhaps she can gleam some hint from how he is in Trespasser and work out that the "truth" he did actually tell her wasn't the real one, but she's still got no way of knowing exactly.

 

I know for a lot of people just them knowing is enough, and it is for me most of the time, but I'd still love some in-game, in-world mention of it somewhere. Maybe a journal entry (because Fen'Harel is totally a "dear diary" dude, don't dispute me!) when we storm his base in DA4!


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Dirthamen - Ravens,

Andruil - Hawk and hare,

Falon'din - Owl,

Ghilan'nain - Halla,

Mythal - Dragon, moon,

Elgar'nan - Lightning, sun,

Sylaise - Fire, herbs, domestic arts,

June -  Crafted weapons.

 

And I think you'll know which one Fen'harel is ;).

Thank yoooou! :D


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IIRC any supportive comment made when he asks can be taken as encouragement for him to carry on with his plans. I always choose the "put things back the way things were", and he questions you about it, where you follow with "Yes, well, not exactly-" but he interrupts saying he knew what you meant and thanks you.-

 

With Trespasser, I'm taking it that all Inquisitors are supposed to go forward feeling at least partially responsible for Solas and what's he's doing, even if it's just with that comment alone.

 

I'm with you on this. I know - on a meta level - that Solas intended to give everything up when he took Lavellan to Crestwood and tell her the full truth, but there's absolutely no way Lavellan herself knows. Perhaps she can gleam some hint from how he is in Trespasser and work out that the "truth" he did actually tell her wasn't the real one, but she's still got no way of knowing exactly.

 

I know for a lot of people just them knowing is enough, and it is for me most of the time, but I'd still love some in-game, in-world mention of it somewhere. Maybe a journal entry (because Fen'Harel is totally a "dear diary" dude, don't dispute me!) when we storm his base in DA4!

 

I definitely agree we're supposed to feel partly responsible. I know I did.

 

Frankly, I don't even want to think too much about the romance bit anymore. I just want to save him. :(

 

Storm his base? But I don't want to storm his anything ...  no wait, back up. Totally a lie :D


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IIRC any supportive comment made when he asks can be taken as encouragement for him to carry on with his plans. I always choose the "put things back the way things were", and he questions you about it, where you follow with "Yes, well, not exactly-" but he interrupts saying he knew what you meant and thanks you.

 

With Trespasser, I'm taking it that all Inquisitors are supposed to go forward feeling at least partially responsible for Solas and what's he's doing, even if it's just with that comment alone.

 

 

I'm with you on this. I know - on a meta level - that Solas intended to give everything up when he took Lavellan to Crestwood and tell her the full truth, but there's absolutely no way Lavellan herself knows. Perhaps she can gleam some hint from how he is in Trespasser and work out that the "truth" he did actually tell her wasn't the real one, but she's still got no way of knowing exactly.

 

I know for a lot of people just them knowing is enough, and it is for me most of the time, but I'd still love some in-game, in-world mention of it somewhere. Maybe a journal entry (because Fen'Harel is totally a "dear diary" dude, don't dispute me!) when we storm his base in DA4!

 

I'm going with a mural. What I wouldn't give to find a mural of the Inquisitor in his base  :lol:


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Art break! :D

 

Solas playing the violin. (I love this! <3)

 

Solas as Mythal's general. (And my current sexuality.  :wub: )

 

Nice Solas art done for Inktober.

 

Solas facial expressions,

 

Solavellan inspired by Princess Mononoke.

 

"Please, ma sa'lath. Please don't go where I can't follow." (Solavellan) :crying:

 

Solavellan for Inktober.

 

Sweet Solavellan artwork. (NSFW for nudity.)


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@Sunny - YES! I love the violin one, although I always saw Solas more of a pianist *obligatory-snicker*.

 

Edit: Also out of likes so take a heart <3.

 

I'm going with a mural. What I wouldn't give to find a mural of the Inquisitor in his base  :lol:

 

Ooh yes! Although maybe Skyhold's mural served that purpose. :o

One of the Inquisitor (even a romanced Lavellan) on their own is a bit... creepy? xD


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This reminds about those glyphs from Exalted Plains. Now I wonder if there is a story hidden there.

 

Pictures inside:

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We've theorized about that on the lore thread a few times, they're interesting bits of lore huh?

 

I recently discovered on the wiki an ancient Elven greatsword: the crafting style is ancient elven, forged before their empire fell. Inside a gem on the hilt is a highly detailed carving of a hawk snatching up a hare.

 

There are a few references here and there regarding it. The hare may be referencing her followers (the ones she sacrificed maybe) as she is the "mother of hares".


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#131948
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... Solas more of a pianist *obligatory-snicker*.

 

 

Say that word again? I didn't hear you right.



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Wait, they're people?

I assumed they were animals, I've never played ME.

That's... better.

 

YOU HUMANS ARE ALL RACIST.
 


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We've theorized about that on the lore thread a few times, they're interesting bits of lore huh?

 

I recently discovered on the wiki an ancient Elven greatsword: the crafting style is ancient elven, forged before their empire fell. Inside a gem on the hilt is a highly detailed carving of a hawk snatching up a hare.

 

There are a few references here and there regarding it. The hare may be referencing her followers (the ones she sacrificed maybe) as she is the "mother of hares".

Actually a hare referring to a follower makes a lot of sense. I also remember these vague references and now I need to pay more attention these codex entries when I see them next time.


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