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[midnight tea]

That's true.  I had to come up with some way to reconcile how she seems to speak the language just fine in Trespasser, yet needs Solas to decrypt the messages in the Solasan temple and doesn't say anything about Nightmare's comments.  Probably another artifact of the base game being designed with a human protagonist in mind.  Thank goodness for that extra year of development!

 

If you don't have Solas in Solasan temple, (any) Inquisitor is able to translate stuff on their own, based what they learned about the language... likely because Solas taught them. Or Morrigan. Or they've had access to variety of sources when it comes to translating and learning more about the ancient elven language. (and we can only access the Temple pretty late in the game, since keys to it are scattered all over the world, including high-level maps).

 

Therefore there's no discrepancy for me between level of familiarity with elven language between Trespasser and the main game. Lavellan (and others) likely can speak and understand more during events of Trespasser, because they were either taught or taught themselves more about the language (and why wouldn't they? Considering how many ruins they've visited, artifacts they've discovered, had entire ToM for themselves to scour for knowledge and already knew that there's something about ancient elves that is worth investigating?).

 

It would be bizarre if it was the other way around, but luckily it is't.

[CapricornSun]

I know some people also headcanon Solas maybe giving her a few lessons.

 

Yup! I've seen so many fanarts which have Solas and Lavellan reading together.

[Tanyara]

Might have been mentioned earlier, but I'm curious what happens when people die in a world where the veil doesn't exist.

Your body dies but the spirit "prevails"?

Is a person still themselves (but in spirit form)?

Is the spirit just a spirit representing your main trait, like kindness, hope, faith, envy etc?

Or does the spirit dissolve into energy and might reform as a similar spirit ages later(like Solas describes happenes to Wisdom)?

 

And does this only apply to elves? What about dwarves then?

 

So many questions!!!! The only information available is that no one knows what happens when you die physically while in the Fade, although Weekes mentioned(I think) that Hawke is dead if he/she is left fighting the demon.

[Sable Rhapsody]

If you don't have Solas in Solasan temple, (any) Inquisitor is able to translate stuff on their own, based what they learned about the language... likely because Solas taught them. Or Morrigan. Or they've had access to variety of sources when it comes to translating and learning more about the ancient elven language. (and we can only access the Temple pretty late in the game, since keys to it are scattered all over the world, including high-level maps).

 

Therefore there's no discrepancy for me between level of familiarity with elven language between Trespasser and the main game. Lavellan (and others) likely can speak and understand more during events of Trespasser, because they were either taught or taught themselves more about the language (and why wouldn't they? Considering how many ruins they've visited, artifacts they've discovered, had entire ToM for themselves to scour for knowledge and already knew that there's something about ancient elves that is worth investigating?).

 

It would be bizarre if it was the other way around, but luckily it is't.

 

Ah, didn't know that.  Thank you, that's a very good point.  

 

 

Yup! I've seen so many fanarts which have Solas and Lavellan reading together.

 

I headcanon that my Lavellan learned elvhen from Solas, and a little Tevene from Dorian.  Most Tevene curses, but you know.  It's the thought that counts

[midnight tea]

Might have been mentioned earlier, but I'm curious what happens when people die in a world where the veil doesn't exist.

Your body dies but the spirit "prevails"?

Is a person still themselves (but in spirit form)?

Is the spirit just a spirit representing your main trait, like kindness, hope, faith, envy etc?

Or does the spirit dissolve into energy and might reform as a similar spirit ages later(like Solas describes happenes to Wisdom)?

 

And does this only apply to elves? What about dwarves then?

 

So many questions!!!! The only information available is that no one knows what happens when you die physically while in the Fade, although Weekes mentioned(I think) that Hawke is dead if he/she is left fighting the demon.

 

Dunno about humans, but after spirit of Wisdom dies, Solas tells Inquisitor that there are "stirrings of energy in the Void" and that likely means that something very similar may form some day - though it may be different in terms of developed personality and probably won't remember its previous life.

 

With those beings who have a body... dunno? I suppose if their spirit remains intact they can reform their bodies. And because the Fade is everywhere and magic is more potent, it likely isn't like with Corypheus and the blight magic, where he needs a living host and basically 'feeds' on their physical form to recreate his own.

[Cee]

Yup! I've seen so many fanarts which have Solas and Lavellan reading together.

 

It's pretty common in fics/art and I don't think it's unlikely.

 

Did you manage to get the game for your PS4 today?

[Jayla]

Haven't read anything like this, only about Lavellan heading off to save her clan, and I'm intrigued. I can see both default and personalized Lavellan working with this idea. It depends on how much narrative distance you're planning to use I guess. It would be hard to keep Lavellan a blank-slate if you're privy to her every thought, but if you aren't going to write from her head then it'll be easier to keep her personality general. Depends on what you're comfortable with, really, and how you're going to frame it. Personal recommendation is you use this revenge quest against the Duke to parallel her own quest regarding Solas, whether you want to redeem him or not. Makes him showing up in her dreams later much smoother, and it'll just tighten the whole structure of the story better.

 

Thanks for the reply. I can only write from inside someone's head so I think going with a personal Lavellan will be best. You've given me some great ideas to move forward with, thanks. ^^

[Flemmy]

About the one thing that happens near the end...

 

Spoiler

I found gifs of where Solas removes the arm of what I assume is a friendly Inquisitor. You actually see it happen. Supposedly the same thing happens with the romance but you see him walking away from a still-armed Lavellan. Weird.

 

Still trying to find where he hates the Inquisitor.

Spoiler

I actually saw in that scene that the hand of inky slowly is disappearing into nothing, thou.

[Moondreamer01]

Might have been mentioned earlier, but I'm curious what happens when people die in a world where the veil doesn't exist.

Your body dies but the spirit "prevails"?

Is a person still themselves (but in spirit form)?

Is the spirit just a spirit representing your main trait, like kindness, hope, faith, envy etc?

Or does the spirit dissolve into energy and might reform as a similar spirit ages later(like Solas describes happenes to Wisdom)?

 

And does this only apply to elves? What about dwarves then?

 

So many questions!!!! The only information available is that no one knows what happens when you die physically while in the Fade, although Weekes mentioned(I think) that Hawke is dead if he/she is left fighting the demon.

It's an interesting question, for sure. For me, it comes down to one question : is someone's soul the same thing as a spirit? Are the two interchangeable, or totally separate?

 

As for dwarves, do the fact that they're not connected to the fade means that, in a very real sense, they have no soul/spirit that can endure after death? It might be why that codex entry calls them soulless (whitless being the fact they were connected to the will of their titan).

 

So many interesting questions

[Solas]

I always assumed Merrill was joking in that one banter, she's not as silly/naive/clueless as she makes herself seem to be.

[Sable Rhapsody]

As for dwarves, do the fact that they're not connected to the fade means that, in a very real sense, they have no soul/spirit that can endure after death? It might be why that codex entry calls them soulless (whitless being the fact they were connected to the will of their titan).

 

So many interesting questions

 

The ancient elves' view on the dwarves being soulless seems rather similar to Solas's comment about walking through a world of Tranquil.  Dwarven legend says they return to the Stone when they die, and I think there's maybe some truth to that.  Because they were connected to the Fade through the Titan's blood (lyrium), they went back to the Titan instead of going back to the Fade.  Though that leaves the question of what happens to modern dwarves, who can't dream and all and don't even know about the existence of Titans.

[Cee]

Are we getting DA4 yet? Like...next week?

 

 

[Solas]

Are we getting DA4 yet? Like...next week?

 

 

it's gonna be a long couple years.  I'm on the Andromeda hype train for now though so I'm good.

[Moondreamer01]

The ancient elves' view on the dwarves being soulless seems rather similar to Solas's comment about walking through a world of Tranquil.  Dwarven legend says they return to the Stone when they die, and I think there's maybe some truth to that.  Because they were connected to the Fade through the Titan's blood (lyrium), they went back to the Titan instead of going back to the Fade.  Though that leaves the question of what happens to modern dwarves, who can't dream and all and don't even know about the existence of Titans.

The Titans might well serve pretty much the same function as the Fade do for the other races. The fact the dwarves don't know of their existence probably doesn't change anything (at least as long as they don't underground. I wonder what happens to those who die aboveground).

 

As for spirits and souls, I really hate the idea that dwarves would be somehow lesser because they don't have a connection to the fade. that's a value judgment I really, really can't get behind, but it might be one the ancient elvhens did. It seems like the connection between souls and spirits is very strong. They're maybe even the same thing, at least to them. Who knows. It's an interesting bit of understanding of their worldview though, if true.

 

Edit : Related. Could dwarves once dream while the Titans were still awake? Their dreams wouldn't resemble at all those of other races, but perhaps they could feel their connection to the Titans and the global consciousness while asleep. Then, when that disappeared, they were left with nothing.

[Wulfram]

Solas probably didn't think it was the right time to correct Lavellan's terrible grammar.

"Actually, you just said "our love is a rabbit""

[figment_]

It's an interesting question, for sure. For me, it comes down to one question : is someone's soul the same thing as a spirit? Are the two interchangeable, or totally separate?

 

As for dwarves, do the fact that they're not connected to the fade means that, in a very real sense, they have no soul/spirit that can endure after death? It might be why that codex entry calls them soulless (whitless being the fact they were connected to the will of their titan).

 

So many interesting questions

I may be totally off base here (not unusual), but didn't Solas say something in dialog with Varric to the effect of "Varric, you have/are a unique soul."?

 

My view, albeit totally wacky tinfoil hat territory, is that perhaps the Elves are body (physical) +soul+spirit, while everyone else is body+soul or -spirit. Kind of like the Ancient Egyptian or Greek views of a multi-faceted soul...

 

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[Illyria]

Solas probably didn't think it was the right time to correct Lavellan's terrible grammar.

"Actually, you just said "our love is a rabbit""

 

'... And now you just insulted my mother.  Please stop, vhenan'

[Cee]

it's gonna be a long couple years.  I'm on the Andromeda hype train for now though so I'm good.

 

I'm also looking forward to Andromeda, and hoping the new mystery IP turns out to be something promising.

[midnight tea]

The ancient elves' view on the dwarves being soulless seems rather similar to Solas's comment about walking through a world of Tranquil.  Dwarven legend says they return to the Stone when they die, and I think there's maybe some truth to that.  Because they were connected to the Fade through the Titan's blood (lyrium), they went back to the Titan instead of going back to the Fade.  Though that leaves the question of what happens to modern dwarves, who can't dream and all and don't even know about the existence of Titans.

 

IMO, based on stuff in lore and some comments at one point something happened to the dwarves - they're dying out and Solas claims that "Dwarves are the severed arm of a once mighty hero, lying in a pool of blood. Undirected. Whatever skill of arms it had, gone forever. Although it might twitch to give the appearance of life, it will never dream."

 

... meaning that at one time they could dream?

 

Also, remember the whispers written in red lyrium? The last sentence was 'We have found the dreams again. (We will awaken.)' 

 

Seems to me that connection with the Fade is pretty crucial to maintain the cycle of life - and being severed from it means life would eventually die away?

[Sable Rhapsody]

As for spirits and souls, I really hate the idea that dwarves would be somehow lesser because they don't have a connection to the fade. that's a value judgment I really, really can't get behind, but it might be one the ancient elvhens did. It seems like the connection between souls and spirits is very strong. They're maybe even the same thing, at least to them. Who knows. It's an interesting bit of understanding of their worldview though, if true.

 

Yeah, I don't like that either.  I have a newfound love of dwarves after playing Descent.  

 

Maybe underground dwarves go back to the Titan, and surfacer dwarves gain (however faintly) a connection to the Fade.  Not enough to be mages, or even to dream.  But enough where their souls/spirits/whatever go back to the Fade?  Maybe that's the origin of the dwarven superstition about falling into the sky.

[S.W.]

I loved DA2, but it was a mess of a game.  It still managed to give me feels, though; I can only imagine what it would have looked like if it hadn't been so rushed.

 

Oh, so much this. I'd love to see what DA2 would look like if the visuals and environment had been given the same attention as they did DA:I. I'd love to see a really detailed, labyrinthine Kirkwall with lots of hidden corners and surprise. I'd wish we'd seen the turn of seasons, maybe seen Kirkwall on feastday or at new year's, or seen how events had changed things over time (e.g. lowtown massively smashed up and repairing after the Qunari invasion). After the you've finished the Deep Roads, you've basically visited all the locations in the game, and I always feel like I'm retreading old, tired ground. I think the idea of visiting the Wounded Coast again is usually enough to put me off replaying DA2.

 

I also think their original concept for DA2 - a series of short games, like book chapters or episodes - could have been really intriguing if implemented correctly.

 

I don't drink coffee unless I think I need it (and I tend to drown it in milk and sugar ;P); as for tea... well, there's a reason I've stuck with this nickname ;D

 

With that said, while I sometimes feel too um... nervous, after strong coffee on stressful day or so, I think I drink enough tea to get used to small doses of caffeine (people may not know this, but after some time our bodies just adjust to it), so my reaction to coffee usually isn't strong.

 

Until this year, more than one cup of coffee actually used to make me seriously anxious and I'd often react really emotionally in bad/awkward situations where I'd usually just keep a calm head and roll with it. It was the strangest, and most unpleasant effect.

 

My caffeine tolerance has gone up as my sleep schedule has become more wack. Back when I was at school, I'd get up at 6.30am on less than 6 hours of sleep, and do a whole day's worth of work no problem. Now, I need a cup of tea if I get up before 8.30. There was a point where I made cups of tea to procrastinate during my dissertation, and I'd drink five or six cups in a day (that's the amount my parents usually consume in a day and have done for years, and they get serious withdrawals). On average I probably have around one cup of something - tea if I'm at home, coffee if I'm elsewhere - a day, which isn't too bad at all really.

 

My new department has a free coffee & tea supply so I doubt that's going to get any better soon though.

 

Isn't tea just as caffeinated or something strange like that? Caffeine withdrawals sound.. not fun. But interesting. Also I heard caffeine is most effective if you have it right before you sleep. I would never try so I have no idea..

 

Imagine the fade dream potential O.O.

 

Tea has more caffeine per gram, but a tea bag (I know, I use tea bags, rather than a proper blend with a teapot, I'm an absolute heathen) weighs much less than the average amount of coffee blend you'd put in for one cup.

[TheyCallMeBunny]

Found this video from another thread and thought about sharing it with you. It is not really Solas related, but David Gaider is sharing little details about early concepts for characters like Vivienne, Dorian and Krem.

 

Spoiler

 

For those interested, here you can see the full session:

 

 http://www.ur.se/ind...mangfald-i-spel

 

Very interesting and enlightening! 

[Solas]

I may be totally off base here (not unusual), but didn't Solas say something in dialog with Varric to the effect of "Varric, you have/are a unique soul."?

if so LMFAO Solas YOU SAY THAT TO ALL THE GIRLS

[Moondreamer01]

Yeah, I don't like that either.  I have a newfound love of dwarves after playing Descent.  

 

Maybe underground dwarves go back to the Titan, and surfacer dwarves gain (however faintly) a connection to the Fade.  Not enough to be mages, or even to dream.  But enough where their souls/spirits/whatever go back to the Fade?  Maybe that's the origin of the dwarven superstition about falling into the sky.

The sky (and air) does seem to be linked quite strongly to the Fade in the way they're described in codex, so I wouldn't be surprised at all.

 

And I wanted to be sure you didn't think I held dwarves as inferior I'm like an anthropologist, trying to figure out how a long-ago culture thought about the world

[CapricornSun]

It's pretty common in fics/art and I don't think it's unlikely.

 

Did you manage to get the game for your PS4 today?

 

Sadly no. I was told that it'll be available by tomorrow in my timezone. It figures. *sigh*