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I think that that is a bleak, horrible, and impossible-to-survive apocalyptic scenario...The only things that we know of so far that can stop the Blight are dragon's blood and fire. No form of life could survive that...It would be the end of Thedas and the end of Dragon Age, and render the previous games pointless.  :(

 

Maybe that's why they killed Mythal? She was a real dragon and they needed her pure blood?


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I'm reading through the in-game character descriptions from the tumblr that provided the feelsy audio files, and some of them are f***ing amazing.

 

The part about Briala actually makes me angry.

 

I gave her Gaspard's throne because I wanted to help her help elves, and the in-game files themselves say that she's so blinded by anger that she'll probably do "may hurt more than she helps," and that she wants to grab power "for herself and for her people... or at least for herself." Suddenly, I feel both vindicated that my guess that Sera's line "I wonder how long before she forgets about her 'poor elves'" was subtle foreshadowing from the devs that Briala won't actually help the elves in the long run.

 

The devs are just determined to make sure nothing ever improves for elves, aren't they? No one in-universe cares about their plight except Solas and Briala, and now it's confirmed that they're both just going to do more harm than good. Solas wants to bring about the end of the world as we know it to raise up the elves, and Briala is just so blinded by anger that she'll probably hurt more than she helps if she doesn't dump them by the wayside to grab power. And of course the player character has to either try to stop them (we HAVE to try to stop Solas) or let them blindly stumble down a terrible path (Briala for the throne), but can't take the initiative to do something productive to help them.

 

I was already having a bad day, and this just made it worse. I can't even dissolve into a fantasy world and have things go well.

 

*leaves to cry*


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Thedas is alive and it's a brain! Titans as neurone. I love it :D

 

Well, Titans as neurons because I've spent a lot of time staring at neurons, and it was the first analogy that came to mind :D  


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*leaves to cry*

 

Sorry you're having a bad day :( Have a kitty hug.

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I think that that is a bleak, horrible, and impossible-to-survive apocalyptic scenario...The only things that we know of so far that can stop the Blight are dragon's blood and fire. No form of life could survive that...It would be the end of Thedas and the end of Dragon Age, and render the previous games pointless.  :(

Well, let's just say theoretically if the Blight were about to come back in a big way, and one of the best ways to fight it involves dragons, and dragons are dying out because of the Veil dampening magic, wouldn't it be a priority to get rid of the Veil?


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Well, let's just say theoretically if the Blight were about to come back in a big way, and one of the best ways to fight it involves dragons, and dragons are dying out because of the Veil dampening magic, wouldn't it be a priority to get rid of the Veil?

 

But it's a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.  Yes, the Blight won't eat Thedas, but Thedas' gremlin population will (potentially) die in the fallout.  There has to be something more to it than that.


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Note that the devs, at least Gaider, have talked about those datamined early character descriptions (dev notes) and said they were just that, early, and they have talked about characters changing over time. So to take them with a grain of salt or at least know that they are not something to trust completely as accurate.


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But it's a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.  Yes, the Blight won't eat Thedas, but Thedas' gremlin population will (potentially) die in the fallout.  There has to be something more to it than that.

Although... if the choice is between the Blight ending absolutely EVERYTHING that's alive (and the elves left in uthenera die) or dropping the veil and having a whole lot of people dying BUT getting to save those elves in uthenera and possibly some others and have a chance of doing away with the Blight ith the help of dragons, that might account for the "every other choice is worse" Solas mentions. It would become the exact same choice he's made before, only in reverse, and with the same kind of catastrophic consequences, but the alternative would be even worse.

 

Hopefully though, we can come to a compromise. In any case, the status quo is intenable in the medium to long term and something will have to give

 

Also : we know dragons are important for the end game, else why would Mythal try to save their species?


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But it's a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.  Yes, the Blight won't eat Thedas, but Thedas' gremlin population will (potentially) die in the fallout.  There has to be something more to it than that.

IMO, there are a lot of benefits to removing the Veil, but not really directly related to stopping the Blight. As far as the Blight itself is concerned, there HAS to be a way to stop it...We just don't know about it yet!!! :D



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But it's a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.  Yes, the Blight won't eat Thedas, but Thedas' gremlin population will (potentially) die in the fallout.  There has to be something more to it than that.

Well, if any of the gremlins survive, they won't have to live in a Blight-infested pit? I don't know, I don't even think Solas knows exactly how taking the Veil down will fall out, because he was so short-sighted about the effects of putting it up. He's underestimating Tevinter and the Inquisitor, not accounting for Mythal and possibly other people who have not yet made their presence known in a big way as of yet.



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I'm curious, has it been explained how an Eluvian can be tainted? I thought only living things could be infected with the Blight (and that was how Bianca deduced that Lyrium was alive). Does this mean that the Eluvians are "alive"? Or am I missing something very obvious?  :huh:


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I'm curious, has it been explained how an Eluvian can be tainted? I thought only living things could be infected with the Blight (and that was how Bianca deduced that Lyrium was alive). Does this mean that the Eluvians are "alive"? Or am I missing something very obvious?  :huh:

I don't think we really know, do we? (someone correct me if ever I'm wrong) My best guest is there's lyrium used in their fabrication and we already know lyrium can be corrupted. If that's true, it would mean the eluvian "technology" didn't exist until the titan was killed and the elves started mining it...


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I'm curious, has it been explained how an Eluvian can be tainted? I thought only living things could be infected with the Blight (and that was how Bianca deduced that Lyrium was alive). Does this mean that the Eluvians are "alive"? Or am I missing something very obvious?  :huh:

Probably because the place it is connected to is tainted...or it could be made with/from an organic substance like lyrium...



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Dont we travel something like a week before reaching the Primordial Thaig from Kirkwall though? That's what I seem to remember. It's just that there's an entrance to the deep roads not too far from Kirkwall. A week's travel would make it far from Kirkwall (and close to Valamar! After all, Biance said she found out about the lyrium after learning of the primordial thaig from Varric, yet her quest brings us back in Valammar, so the two have to be connected.)

 

It can't be THAT close to Valamar.  The entrance to Valamar is in the Hinterlands and the Deep Roads entrance that Hawke used was near Kirkwall.  That's across the Waking Sea and south across all of Ferelden.  It would take much longer than a week to travel that far and Hawke and Co. had to detour around blocked passages and stuff so their progress was slowed.

 

Technically the Deep Roads are all connected to each other, it's just they're almost suicidal to traverse and some passages have been blocked over time.



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I'm curious, has it been explained how an Eluvian can be tainted? I thought only living things could be infected with the Blight (and that was how Bianca deduced that Lyrium was alive). Does this mean that the Eluvians are "alive"? Or am I missing something very obvious?  :huh:

The eluvian that Tamlen in DAO touched was tainted and sucked him in and turned him into a ghoul, Merril used blood magic in DA2 to try to repair and purify her tainted eluvian (I think it might have been the same eluvian). I imagine they're loaded with lyrium which can carry the taint.


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Wait, so Briala was just in it for her own power? Or prioritized her power, at least?

 

Huh... Actually, I feel really vindicated about this. I never trusted that chick. I read all this fanfic with these bright-eyed Lavellans who stick Briala on the throne to help the elves, but mine, every siren in her head went off as soon as Briala walked in. 

 

That and... jeez, I just adore the "You all work for me" ending, especially paired with talking Florienne down in front of the whole court. It's like "Yes, hello, I'm Inquisitor Lavellan, I'm here to beat you at your own Game and look prettier doing it."

 

'Sides, I can trust my Lavellan to try and help the elves. Can't say the same for anyone else.


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OK, seriously into WTF Tinfoil Hat Funtimes.

 

What if the Deep Roads also used to be part of the Titans?

 

Think of a Titan as the cell body of a neuron.  It has an internal anatomy (at least a heart and veins).  And the dwarves are like the little ribosomes and other proteins within the cell body, taking care of it and in turn being sheltered from the outside world.  But it's isolated.  It has no way of connecting with others of its kind.  

 

What if the Deep Roads were like the axons and dendrites?  Spidering out from the Titans, linking them to one another and each other's population of dwarves.  That way, the dwarves could easily move between Titans.  And when the blighted Titan fell, it "bled out" into the Deep Roads, filling them with red lyrium across a very large swatch of Thedas.

 

I don't know, in Descent when you get to the final part, the Inquisitor can say something ever since they left the Deep Roads the caverns have felt different, more organic and then the Inquisitor is like *bing light bulb time* omg we're INSIDE the Titan.


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I need some timeline help! Solas said he awoke a year before Inquisition, so does that mean he was awake at the end of Act 3 in DA2?



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Wait, so Briala was just in it for her own power? Or prioritized her power, at least?

 

Huh... Actually, I feel really vindicated about this. I never trusted that chick. I read all this fanfic with these bright-eyed Lavellans who stick Briala on the throne to help the elves, but mine, every siren in her head went off as soon as Briala walked in. 

 

That and... jeez, I just adore the "You all work for me" ending, especially paired with talking Florienne down in front of the whole court. It's like "Yes, hello, I'm Inquisitor Lavellan, I'm here to beat you at your own Game and look prettier doing it."

 

'Sides, I can trust my Lavellan to try and help the elves. Can't say the same for anyone else.

It wasn't entirely selfish. She does have good intentions but is like the WORST at helping.  Sort of like Solas. She will sacrifice her people for what she views as the greater good. So the ends justify the means.  Which is why Fellassan told Solas that she reminded him(fellassan) of Solas.  

 

I didn't like her. But my Lavellan is VERY idealistic and she was like 'NO.' to whatever Briala was doing.



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The eluvian that Tamlen in DAO touched was tainted and sucked him in and turned him into a ghoul, Merril used blood magic in DA2 to try to repair and purify her tainted eluvian (I think it might have been the same eluvian). I imagine they're loaded with lyrium which can carry the taint.

It could be lyrium OR maybe the connection to the fade itself, if that connection could be considered "alive" in some way...inconclusive...I'm stumped...



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I don't think we really know, do we? (someone correct me if ever I'm wrong) My best guest is there's lyrium used in their fabrication and we already know lyrium can be corrupted. If that's true, it would mean the eluvian "technology" didn't exist until the titan was killed and the elves started mining it...

 

 

Probably because the place it is connected to is tainted...or it could be made with/from an organic substance like lyrium...

 

 

The eluvian that Tamlen in DAO touched was tainted and sucked him in and turned him into a ghoul, Merril used blood magic in DA2 to try to repair and purify her tainted eluvian (I think it might have been the same eluvian). I imagine they're loaded with lyrium which can carry the taint.

 

I did not consider the possibility of them being made of lyrium, but it does make sense I think... It would also explain why the Evanuris started to mine the Titans for it, as the Eluvians obviously became an integral part of the elven society. I wonder who made the first Eluvian (if there ever was one single creator)...


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It could be lyrium OR maybe the connection to the fade itself, if that connection could be considered "alive" in some way...inconclusive...I'm stumped...

Yeah, this one has me totally stumped, too.  The Blight supposedly only infects living things, so how can an Eluvian be Blighted unless it, too, is alive?  That's actually really creepy!



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Yeah, this one has me totally stumped, too.  The Blight supposedly only infects living things, so how can an Eluvian be Blighted unless it, too, is alive?  That's actually really creepy!

 

It's a shimmery blue when you use it, but turns red like a dead Titan's corrupted blood when it's broken.



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I don't know, in Descent when you get to the final part, the Inquisitor can say something ever since they left the Deep Roads the caverns have felt different, more organic and then the Inquisitor is like *bing light bulb time* omg we're INSIDE the Titan.

That reminds me...why do the darkspawn avoid the Titan? Does untainted lyrium repel them, or is it something else? :wacko:

 

Is this something that we could use to stop the blight???



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I did not consider the possibility of them being made of lyrium, but it does make sense I think... It would also explain why the Evanuris started to mine the Titans for it, as the Eluvians obviously became an integral part of the elven society. I wonder who made the first Eluvian (if there ever was one single creator)...

June perhaps? He's remembered as the god of craft so it would make sense.

 

That reminds me...why do the darkspawn avoid the Titan? Does untainted lyrium repel them, or is it something else? :wacko:

 

Is this something that we could use to stop the blight???

Perhaps the Titan's song clashes with the song the Darkspawns hear from the Taint and it gives them a headache :P or more seriously that makes them confused and serves to repulse them.


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