Ahh thank you. And how do you mean "tells you to go"?
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After patch 10 I get different dialogue from him. Something like:
"Seeker shouldn't we go to meet the clerics?" Indeed the Breach won't seal itself." And he also says "we must have done enough to get the clerics attention by now" odd part? No dialogue shows above if you have it on. And his recording sounds off. Like it was added later. And the indeed part is like he's talking to someone in reply to something but you can't hear them.
Loki or the bad boy/evil genius types do nothing for me. I do like Tom Hiddleston though.
Ah, for me, it's not so much the whole "bad boy" trope - it's their intelligence, their cunning, their brilliance that draws me into the evil genius type - and I'll admit I have a bit of a soft spot for power in general, but of a subtler sort in particular. Unfortunately, due to the idea that heroes are supposed to honest underdog types, such characters often end up being villains, or at least morally ambiguous. Solas plays into it hard, needless to say.
None of the Marvel heroes (or villains, for that matter) really appeal to me though. I guess Chris Pratt's pretty (He looks like a human teddy bear!), but Starlord as a character doesn't interest me.
Also I have been romancing Blackwall and keep getting Solas vibes. His whole we will regret this, I need time to think, I can't stop, I don't want to lose you, then the truth he's not who we think he is and fears we will reject him. Only difference is we keep him.
To be entirely fair, "I killed some people and stole a Warden's identity" is a much smaller lie than, "I am the Dread Wolf, caused the elves' downfall, gave Cory my orb, stole Mythal's power, and have been plotting the end of your sorry gremlin world for years." 
We've seen mostly the negative fallout of his actions, so that's all we have to go on. At least, as far as what's in-game. Could his future actions turn out better? Sure. But his track record so far is...spotty.
Like I said, no point in taking him too seriously. It'll be years before we know, so for now, positive's as good as negative speculation, even if there's more of one than the other floating around the thread
Ummm...He saved the world and freed the slaves?!? 
Almost forgot to respond, because I actually wanted to think before I type, and the thread moves so fast.
I say post if it feels like a complete unit. It will give you a small sense of accomplishment before you tackle the next part. The internet as a medium works well with things being broken down in smaller chunks. Just IMO.
I need to reorganize my AO3 but I think I'll put this up. It's more or less a feeling I get...I just made some changes and got the 'this part feels complete' feeling. That's often a sign to post it before I fiddle with it endlessly.
Sorry, I'm just in a terrible hellspiral right now.
Sera hates elves more than she hates human nobles. She'll constantly throw Lavellan's "elfiness" back in their face but not human Inquisitor's, and give Elf Quizzy an ultimatum to abandon their culture or get dumped but never does so for the human noble quizzy. But that's okay, because apparently the elves are as bad as she paints them as, and totally deserve it.
So no matter what happens with Briala, she just ends up in a position where human nobles can pull the rug out from under her or wind up back under her abusive mistress's thumb (and Celene didn't hesitate to use and abuse her before)? Wonderful.
Then why the heck does BioWare sell their games on having "meaningful choices and impactful consequences" if they have no intention of delivering?
Apparently I just need flames rise from this game for all the good is does me.
Uh, what? We don't know what Briala's relationship with Celene is now if you reconcile them. Maybe now it's more one of equals. And Celene admits she made mistakes. We also don't know that the human nobles will pull the rug out from under her. She's a spymaster, it's entirely possible that she can blackmail a great many of the nobles into giving her support. I will say again, we do not know what will happen to/with/about Briala in the future. We have no idea. Assuming anything does no good.
And there are meaningful/impactful choices within the game we are given. Was Bull's betrayal not meaningful and impactful? I'm thinking it was to the players he turned on. And compared to DA2 where Hawke made very few actual choices and in the end even those didn't matter because the exact same things happened regardless.
We also don't know what impact our choices in DAI will have going forward because southern Thedas might turn out to be a very different place depending on who is Divine, who rules Orlais, if the mages are free or conscripted, if the templars even exist anymore. But the difference here is since we're most likely going to Tevinter we won't actually SEE any of that. We may hear about it though through codex entries/conversations with npcs.
In the end though, BioWare can only do so much in a series that continues from one game to the next. You may be expecting too much, tbh.
To be entirely fair, "I killed some people and stole a Warden's identity" is a much smaller lie than, "I am the Dread Wolf, caused the elves' downfall, gave Cory my orb, stole Mythal's power, and have been plotting the end of your sorry gremlin world for years."
LOL not that kind of vibe, just their personalities.
After patch 10 I get different dialogue from him. Something like:
"Seeker shouldn't we go to meet the clerics?" Indeed the Breach won't seal itself." And he also says "we must have done enough to get the clerics attention by now" odd part? No dialogue shows above if you have it on. And his recording sounds off. Like it was added later. And the indeed part is like he's talking to someone in reply to something but you can't hear them.
Thank you again 
. I'm glad they made the effort to add more things after the final DLC.
Ah, for me, it's not so much the whole "bad boy" trope - it's their intelligence, their cunning, their brilliance that draws me into the evil genius type - and I'll admit I have a bit of a soft spot for power in general, but of a subtler sort in particular.
Yes, this is it for me. Cunning and power are huuge for me. Especially if there's some subtle power play overtones to the romance. Weirdly, I also like it if there's some tragedy and martyrdom to the character. So, no surprise I like Solas so much.
LOL not that kind of vibe, just their personalities.
I know, I'm (mostly) being silly.
Guilt influences a lot of both of their personalities. Guilt over the past, and their actions. Guilt over the present, and their deceptions. But I think it affects their overall character arcs in different ways. Blackwall's redemption arc is (IMO) done as of Trespasser. I've only seen him on the Warden path, but he seems to have learned that he needs to balance guilt with responsibility and more importantly, agency. Taking charge of his own life and changing himself for the better without forgetting or ignoring who he was. Solas's potential redemption arc is still incomplete. Right now, his guilt is propelling him toward more destructive action because he feels he needs to do something. Even if that something might be a bad idea.
Thank you again
No problem!
Only problem is, if you are running around the Hinterlands with 4 or more power, trying to get side quests done before the mage/templar choice HE WON'T SHUT UP until you go to the city.
I know, I'm (mostly) being silly.
Guilt influences a lot of both of their personalities. Guilt over the past, and their actions. Guilt over the present, and their deceptions. But I think it affects their overall character arcs in different ways. Blackwall's redemption arc is (IMO) done as of Trespasser. I've only seen him on the Warden path, but he seems to have learned that he needs to balance guilt with responsibility and more importantly, agency. Taking charge of his own life and changing himself for the better without forgetting or ignoring who he was. Solas's potential redemption arc is still incomplete. Right now, his guilt is propelling him toward more destructive action because he feels he needs to do something. Even if that something might be a bad idea.
Oh, I forgot how an empty title field has a habit of staring at you.
Would you say his shaming Blackwall for lying is hypocritical?
Oh definitely. I know that's not a popular opinion, but I think Solas's response is a knee-jerk one. He's basically just projecting his own shame and guilt onto Blackwall. He does apologize later, though, and I think in that apology banter, he realizes he was being hypocritical.
To be entirely fair, "I killed some people and stole a Warden's identity" is a much smaller lie than, "I am the Dread Wolf, caused the elves' downfall, gave Cory my orb, stole Mythal's power, and have been plotting the end of your sorry gremlin world for years."
I would imagine if he actually was upfront with his identity and put it that way, that everyone would have attempted to kill him on sight. 
I would imagine if he actually was upfront with his identity and put it that way, that everyone would have attempted to kill him on sight.
Oh, I totally get why he lied. I would have done the same in his shoes, so I'm not judging him. But that's the problem with lies; they have a way of getting away from you, and even before the epilogue reveal or Trespasser, Solas has plenty of little slip-ups. He's actually kind of a terrible liar. Certainly not as good as Bull. Solas gets away with the lie because the truth is so outlandish that no one would ever think of it.
Oh definitely. I know that's not a popular opinion, but I think Solas's response is a knee-jerk one. He's basically just projecting his own shame and guilt onto Blackwall. He does apologize later, though, and I think in that banter, he realizes he was being hypocritical.
I think he sees himself in Blackwall and is interestingly the only romance he comments on. If you are with Blackwall, he confronts him about it and says it's a good thing.
(If the Inquisitor romanced Blackwall)
Solas: So, you and the Inquisitor are together.
Blackwall: Yes. Is that a problem?
Solas: Far from it. People should seize any chance for a moment's respite in times such as these. I am glad you've allowed yourself some happiness.
Blackwall: I expected you to think that I should keep punishing myself.
Solas: I would be concerned if you forgot your past, but that seems unlikely. Beyond that, guilt is a distraction. One we can ill afford.
Blackwall: What of you, then? Have you found someone to share a moment's respite?
Solas: I find my peace elsewhere.
And when Solas says to Bull he has both the Inquisitor and himself if Bull leaves the Qun. That part clenches at the heart if you play Trespasser. I can't find the dialogue for it on the wiki though! It was just so sweet how Solas told Bull he had him even after his views of the Qun.
Oh, I totally get why he lied. I would have done the same in his shoes, so I'm not judging him. But that's the problem with lies; they have a way of getting away from you, and even before the epilogue reveal or Trespasser, Solas has plenty of little slip-ups. He's actually kind of a terrible liar. Certainly not as good as Bull. Solas gets away with the lie because the truth is so outlandish that no one would ever think of it.
Unfortunately a necessary "evil" in this case... 
Would you say his shaming Blackwall for lying is hypocritical?
Yes and no. Solas technically doesn't lie about himself. His name IS Solas. And he IS trying to help us close the Breach. And he tells us he wants to recover the artifact that caused it. His lies are ones of omission. Blackwall flat out deceives us over his name and his past. So while I would say it's hypocritical of Solas to call out Blackwall on the lies, the circumstances are rather different.
Although I would like a scene where Thom is talking to Solas saying, So is this the part where *I* get to yell at *you* for lying to us?
lol
Yes and no. Solas technically doesn't lie about himself. His name IS Solas. And he IS trying to help us close the Breach. And he tells us he wants to recover the artifact that caused it. His lies are ones of omission. Blackwall flat out deceives us over his name and his past. So while I would say it's hypocritical of Solas to call out Blackwall on the lies, the circumstances are rather different.
Although I would like a scene where Thom is talking to Solas saying, So is this the part where *I* get to yell at *you* for lying to us?
lol
I actually heard that in Alastair Parker's voice! 
And I do agree. And as Cullen said, Blackwall lied but he gave his blood for the Inquisition and helped without any ill intent too.
Solas at least admits he was wrong.
Solas: I wish to apologize for what I said to you, Blackwall.
Blackwall: You were right, though. I deserved it.
Solas: My people had a saying long ago - "The healer has the bloodiest hands." You cannot treat a wound without knowing how deep it goes. You cannot heal pain by hiding it. You must accept. Accept the blood to make things better. You have taken the first step. That is the hardest part.
Although I would like a scene where Thom is talking to Solas saying, So is this the part where *I* get to yell at *you* for lying to us?
I would have liked to see the companion reactions to Solas, but I suppose that would have been too much stuff going on in the scene. There's plenty of dialogue already without three other people chiming in.
I headcanon that Solas sealed that first eluvian behind quizzy, then opened it again when he left through the giant eluvian. Because you can't tell me that Dorian wouldn't have gone chasing after his bestie.
Yes, this is it for me. Cunning and power are huuge for me. Especially if there's some subtle power play overtones to the romance. Weirdly, I also like it if there's some tragedy and martyrdom to the character. So, no surprise I like Solas so much.
I know, right? I mean, I'm pretty take-it-or-leave-it when it comes to the sex (I think there's a word for that? Eh, I never bothered to try and figure out my sexuality. It is what it is.) but just power in general, especially when it's something from a character's own skill, something they've earned, it's that - well, that heady blend of power, danger, intrigue, and sex. I can't just resist.
It makes me wonder what would've happened if Solas had actually gone through with telling Lavellan in Crestwood. I just imagine it being like
Solas: I must tell you, vhenan. I am... I am your people's great adversary. I am the Dread Wolf.
Lavellan: Whoa. That's kind of...
Solas: I know.
Lavellan: That's kind of really damned hot, you know?
Solas:...
Solas: Excuse me?
Lavellan: I mean, you're a god! Of cunning and cleverness! It's just - woof!
Solas:...
Lavellan: Oh, sorry, is 'woof' offensive? Do you find 'woof' offensive? I can stop.
Which leads me back to that - people aren't upset about Solas because he's become a villain. They're upset because he's become a villain with a really bad idea.
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If there's nothing but negatives to be found to Solas' plan, that just sucks so much meaning out of it, not only from the plan itself but the character as well. And surely, surely BioWare knows better, surely they'd want to provide some complexity and philosophy, they've been building on this plot since Origins, no way they'll just bring down to "Evil douchebag tries to destroy world." They're better than that!
I've been struggling with this as well. Part of the problem is that Solas doesn't act like a typical villain. At the end of Trespasser, he doesn't really justify his plans or try to convince the Inquisitor to join him or tick off all the reasons why the world should bow before his awesomeness. Instead, he's mostly just resigned and full of remorse for his actions (past and future), and I think that makes him an easy target for ridicule.
I almost want Solas to be proved right. Not about destroying the world as an acceptable option, but more that him failing to act will have dire consequences. For example, maybe it's inevitable that the elven race will die out eventually if the Veil remains in place. And Solas, being its creator, is the only one who knows how to remove it 'correctly' without turning spirits into demons or whatever. But again, it just feels like making up excuses for him right now because I don't think we have all the pieces.
And I agree Moondreamer on limitations of the game. Only fraction of the people who played DA:I did the Solas romance. There's only so many resources they can dedicate to it, and TBH, I think they did a really good job all things considered.
Absolutely! There was unique dialog for Solas romancers in Trespasser and unique character movements with the kiss. It may not seem like much but that is extra writing, extra voice over, and extra character animation and all that equals extra cost for the development team. For content that only a fraction of players will experience first-hand in the game.
That is pretty freaking amazing when you stop to think about it.
Yes. And I'll bet you that Titan was killed at Sundermount. A mountain that was sundered. What is as big as a mountain? A Titan. What is a Titan full of? Lyrium and Sha-brytol dwarves and Thaigs. What is near Kirkwall and Sundermount? A red lyrium and darkspawn-filled Thaig.
Yes to this theory!! 
On a random side note: If the Sha-brytol dwarves could make armor that was literally bonded to their skin, I wonder if Dagna could figure out enough of the technique to engineer a relatively permanent golem-y arm for the Inquisitor?
I know, right? I mean, I'm pretty take-it-or-leave-it when it comes to the sex (I think there's a word for that? Eh, I never bothered to try and figure out my sexuality. It is what it is.) but just power in general, especially when it's something from a character's own skill, something they've earned, it's that - well, that heady blend of power, danger, intrigue, and sex. I can't just resist.
It makes me wonder what would've happened if Solas had actually gone through with telling Lavellan in Crestwood. I just imagine it being like
Solas: I must tell you, vhenan. I am... I am your people's great adversary. I am the Dread Wolf.
Lavellan: Whoa. That's kind of...
Solas: I know.
Lavellan: That's kind of really damned hot, you know?
Solas:...
Solas: Excuse me?
Lavellan: I mean, you're a god! Of cunning and cleverness! It's just - woof!
Solas:...
Lavellan: Oh, sorry, is 'woof' offensive? Do you find 'woof' offensive? I can stop.
Out of likes but that was awesome!
I'm not getting out of the feels corner tonight, am I? Great so far!
Solas: I must tell you, vhenan. I am... I am your people's great adversary. I am the Dread Wolf.
Lavellan: Whoa. That's kind of...
Solas: I know.
Lavellan: That's kind of really damned hot, you know?
Solas:...
Solas: Excuse me?
Lavellan: I mean, you're a god! Of cunning and cleverness! It's just - woof!
Solas:...
Lavellan: Oh, sorry, is 'woof' offensive? Do you find 'woof' offensive? I can stop.
Never mind. Once again, I love how this thread makes me cry, then laugh a few heartbeats later.
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