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[Eivuwan]

Random thought. So right now, companies are already coming out with virtual reality gaming hardware. What are we going to do when Bioware games start using those systems? How are we ever going to move on from a video game romance when it starts feeling closer and closer to real life? The thought scares me.

[RynJ]

Oh definitely.  I know that's not a popular opinion, but I think Solas's response is a knee-jerk one.  He's basically just projecting his own shame and guilt onto Blackwall.  He does apologize later, though, and I think in that apology banter, he realizes he was being hypocritical.

 

This is an unpopular opinion and not straight up fact? Color me surprised!  This is exactly how I interpreted that interaction too, especially after Solas kept bringing up how similar they were in previous banters.

[Mlady]

Got caught up reading the dialogue between Solas and Blackwall. Smooth Solas. Real smooth. You were so damn obvious about who you were, yet kept it so casual no one would piece it together. Also "hot-blooded and cocky" no wonder he thought the Veil was a good idea.

[rowrow]

The thing with Solas is part of him knows his plan is not a good plan and that he is wrong but it's such a wrought, complicated decision that, for reasons, he feels resigned to. Different if he doesnt like you, but if he's a friend or romanced, there's room in what he says and his body language that he's not 100% committed and would welcome the chance to be proven wrong again and/or stopped.

 

I think it was a friend Inquisitor who chooses to try and redeem him that he says that he welcomes the chance for you to prove him wrong again. IIRC - correct me if wrong, someone.

 

That there I find that really hopeful. That at least he's still the Solas we know, and for whatever reasons, he truly believes his is the only way forward. He wants to be proven wrong?

 

*Girds everything*

 

Challenge accepted.

[Eivuwan]

Solas had the power to put up a veil throughout the entire dragon age world. That's almost god-like. It would be god-like if he can do that without having to sleep for 1000 years. I can understand how frustrated he must feel being at 1/100th or less of his previous abilities. He probably feels tranquil being this "weak." I don't think Solas is power hungry, but he probably projects his own helplessness onto all the other ancient elves regardless of whether or not they actually felt the same way.

[rowrow]

I don't think that's what it means. It's just a different line, but his body language is much, much sadder and his posture lower if it's a romanced Lavellan. But since the romance is so gated, most people wouldn't see it, so the friend version had to be very clear.

 

Yep. "I wish" could also be taken as "I hope" - only it's more painful because there's just that little bit more at stake.

[drosophila]

Got caught up reading the dialogue between Solas and Blackwall. Smooth Solas. Real smooth. You were so damn obvious about who you were, yet kept it so casual no one would piece it together. Also "hot-blooded and cocky" no wonder he thought the Veil would work.

 

I think the Veil was a calculated risk, not cockiness on his part. He does say it was the best alternative, the word itself implying he carefully considered what he was doing. They Evanuris were also going to destroy the world otherwise. Not that he wasn't hot blooded and cocky in the past, but I think by the time the Veil decision came about, he'd been through a war, his own rebellion, betrayal, and the murder of Mythal, so he must've wisened up by that point. 

[Julilla]

So...what if Solas is planning something different from what he's told us? To get us running off on the wrong track? Something I've been pondering. He is the king of misleading by omission, isn't he? He doesn't usually outright lie, but he's on a whole different playing field than we are.

[FernRain]

Random thought. So right now, companies are already coming out with virtual reality gaming hardware. What are we going to do when Bioware games start using those systems? How are we ever going to move on from a video game romance when it starts feeling closer and closer to real life? The thought scares me.

 

Outta likes. I know right..

[Mlady]

I think the veil was a calculated risk, not cockiness on his part. He does say it was the best alternative, the word itself implying he carefully considered what he was doing. They Evanuris were alos going to destroy the world otherwise. Not that he wasn't hot blooded and cocky in the past, but I think by the time the Veil decision came about, he'd been through a war, his own rebellion, betrayal, and the murder of Mythal, so he must've wisened up by that point. 

 

Yeah he was fed up. Really fed up with it all. He knew the risk but not the extent of it. I think part of it was calculated and the other was a big f you to the Evanuris despite the innocents that died from it. Now the only time he shows that hot blood and when he's tongue kissing and grabbing Lavellan's rear. LOL and you see hints of it if you let him do away with those mages. 

 

 

So...what if Solas is planning something different from what he's told us? To get us running off on the wrong track? Something I've been pondering. He is the king of misleading by omission, isn't he? He doesn't usually outright lie, but he's on a whole different playing field than we are.

 

He did say we were too easy to talk to and could use his plans against him if he spoke. Meaning there's a way to stop him and he has the "tools" for us to do it if he told us.

[Cee]

I know, right? I mean, I'm pretty take-it-or-leave-it when it comes to the sex (I think there's a word for that? Eh, I never bothered to try and figure out my sexuality. It is what it is.) but just power in general, especially when it's something from a character's own skill, something they've earned, it's that - well, that heady blend of power, danger, intrigue, and sex. I can't just resist.

 

It makes me wonder what would've happened if Solas had actually gone through with telling Lavellan in Crestwood. I just imagine it being like

 

Solas: I must tell you, vhenan. I am... I am your people's great adversary. I am the Dread Wolf.

Lavellan: Whoa. That's kind of...

Solas: I know.

Lavellan: That's kind of really damned hot, you know?

Solas:...

Solas: Excuse me?

Lavellan: I mean, you're a god! Of cunning and cleverness! It's just - woof!

Solas:...

Lavellan: Oh, sorry, is 'woof' offensive? Do you find 'woof' offensive? I can stop.

 

When did Lavellan turn into Sera?
 

[Cee]

I'm not getting out of the feels corner tonight, am I? Great so far!

 

 

 

Never mind. Once again, I love how this thread makes me cry, then laugh a few heartbeats later. 

 

I took a walk and now I'm like....why did I put that up?

 

I'm just going to remain in the feels corner tonight, I think.

[drosophila]

I took a walk and now I'm like....why did I put that up?

 

I'm just going to remain in the feels corner tonight, I think.

 

I'm happy for the company. There's still some raisin-free cookies left, and the tears bucket is not yet half-full. Don't mind the stuffed nug that looks like it's been slammed and the wall too many times. I've been reading TME when I get the time.

[NeverlandHunter]

Hello! *said in Cole voice*

So extremely random interruption

I was reading fanfiction today and I noticed that I tend to pronounce Lavellan's name wrong (probably most likely). 

In the game all two of the people that I remember calling Lavellan by her surname (clanname?) pronounce it Lah-vel-in, while my mind thoughts usually go with Lah-vah-lon like Avalon (I think I did this because it helped me spell it correctly). But does everyone pronounce it like the former in the game? I know depending on the person Cass's name gets pronounced differently (accents and all that) Cass-an-drah and Coss-ohn-dra. I think even Vivienne's and Leliana's name gets pronounced differently depending on the person doing the pronouncing. 

So is there a "correct" pronunciation of Lavellan? How does s/he pronounce it? I'm pretty sure there's a dialogue option with Cullen where s/he says her name. Do all the voice actors pronounce it the same? Do I have a tendency to go on vaguely off topic rants (yes)?

 

http://www.instagram...ag/solasmancers

To keep this Solas related!

[rowrow]

I don't really see reason why they shouldn't intentionally hide better parts in easy-to-miss places - I quite like that aspect of the game. It's subtle, requires attention to detail and open-mindedness, so I'll always prefer that to giving us big red arrows or shouting from the heavens "he's not a bad guy! Really, he isn't! There's more merit to his plans that we actually reveal now!!" (although Cole in Trespasser was kinda pushing it "He's not that kind of wolf!" "The arrow breaks in sad wolf's jaws" Yes Cole! I get it!!).

 

Therefore no, I don't see Solas's character as not coming through exactly how they wanted him to. They've already revealed that one of reasons they let him romance only female elves is because they don't want the audience to categorize his behavior under a bad bi trope - because they knew how many people would see him. So it seems to me that they actually wanted to give the general audience something of an imbalanced picture - are they just going to see the bad and seek out to destroy him? Or are they going to look under the surface and mine out a more complete picture that will later inform their choices?

 

They did this already, on smaller scale, be it with Blackwall or Iron Bull (and on some levels with Flemeth. I've seen quite a few people after revelations in DAI and post-credit scene saying that they regret killing her in DAO)... Why shouldn't they do the same thing with Solas?

 

IMO they know what they want to achieve through him and it's not "a misguided guy with a really stupid plan". There's a lot we yet don't know about what's going to happen - but we do know that there are other things lurking in dark corners: the Blight's not yet done with, the Evanuris are apparently searching their way to be released, the magical races are dying out and the magic is diminishing. So there's more there that's happening that we yet see, be it when it comes to dangers to Thedas or Solas and his plans to restore the world of the elves.

 

Also - I'd like to point out something: Solas doesn't seem to mourn their lost civilization as much as the lost conscious connection of people to the Fade. All people. He seems to be unable to forgive himself that he's almost Tranquilized the world and he laments the fact that the Veil took everything from the elves - even themselves.

 

What EXACTLY these words mean we'll likely yet find out, but I think assuming that his plan has anything to do with restoring Elvenhan to its glory and release/reform a society of True Elves is nothing more than an uncharitable misinterpretation.

 

While he mourns all the knowledge and marvels lost, he wasn't squeamish about sacrificing Elvenhan when he created the Veil - so I don't see reason why he should care predominantly about it now. What seems to matter to him is restore the world how it previously was - likely restore all people's connection to the Fade, which will necessarily change the world on a fundamental level.

 

I also think that Solas thinks that there's another way, but the chances of that solution succeeding are minimal - unless Inquisitor actually does stuff that will prove him wrong and help him regain trust in people to help him save as much of the world as possible. This is likely why we have the redeem option in the first place - he's leaving the door open to help us convince him that that other way is worth its tremendous risk.

 

In any case - we're yet to find out. I expect DA4 will be all about finding out the details of his plans or more reasons for his actions, or what other dangers are there to the world... which is also likely a very big reason why many of Solas's statements are so vague; they can't really spoil the next game before it's even greenlit

 

Rushing to catch up with the thread, but I wish I could like this several times. I know I've gotten very pessimistic about Solas since I played Trespasser - still only a short time ago - but I so very much want to hope for him, and am frustrated that we don't seem to have very much to go on. Your interpretation of how they're handling his character as well as your take on Solas' motivations, I find very hopeful. So thank you

[Mlady]

Hello! *said in Cole voice*

So extremely random interruption

I was reading fanfiction today and I noticed that I tend to pronounce Lavellan's name wrong (probably most likely). 

In the game all two of the people that I remember calling Lavellan by her surname (clanname?) pronounce it Lah-vel-in, while my mind thoughts usually go with Lah-vah-lon like Avalon (I think I did this because it helped me spell it correctly). But does everyone pronounce it like the former in the game? I know depending on the person Cass's name gets pronounced differently (accents and all that) Cass-an-drah and Coss-ohn-dra. I think even Vivienne's and Leliana's name gets pronounced differently depending on the person doing the pronouncing. 

So is there a "correct" pronunciation of Lavellan? How does s/he pronounce it? I'm pretty sure there's a dialogue option with Cullen where s/he says her name. Do all the voice actors pronounce it the same? Do I have a tendency to go on vaguely off topic rants (yes)?

 

http://www.instagram...ag/solasmancers

To keep this Solas related!

 

It almost rhymes with Trevelyan. That's how I remember it. And how Cullen says it. LAH-VEL-IN

[MayriyaNoori]

Which means that for the three years they knew each other, Solas and Lavellan were together for at most a year, if DA:I took a year and a few months and you got his romance convos right after getting Skyhold.  Then he was missing for two years, then they're...what?  Not exactly together at the end of Trespasser, but still in love and committed to each other?  Must be on Solas's end if he's dream-stalking her.

 

Oh Lavellan.  Sometimes I wish you'd just move on to Zev

*logs on to catch up with Thread*

 

Of course this conversation starts right when I went to bed.

 

And just add my two cents totally like 20 pages late, Lavellan and Zevran is awesome just so everyone knows. And not in a casual rebound way.

 

*goes back to catching up*

[Kadan]

I'm trying to distract myself from publishing more chapters. I've edited 7 more that are ready to go, but I'm trying to spread them out a bit. Chapter 9 (10 if you count the prologue as a chapter) is proving to be a bit difficult to fine tune. I tried watching a movie, can't focus, Solas drags me back. Tried reading PW's book The Palace Job, but excellent eggshells had me thinking of Solas. Tried to sleep, and found myself in the midst of a Battle against the Evunaris.

 

Why? Solas why?

[Sable Rhapsody]

More tidbits on the modding front: Skaramoosh has reuploaded her mods to the daitools forum.  Mostly hair and texture mods.

[NeverlandHunter]

I just watched Geek Remix's reaction to Solas in Trespasser and I can't stop laughing. It's probably a similar reaction to my own, but it's so much funnier seeing other people's anger/frustration at the situation!

If you haven't seen it it's hilarious, and they use Sumalee Montano's voice for their Lavellan which is interesting to see the differences if you haven't before!

[Cee]

Yep, definitely prefer Alix for Lavellan after watching some of that. Sumalee Montano's delivery on some of the lines is a bit flat. Like the "Var lath vir suledin".

[drosophila]

I just watched Geek Remix's reaction to Solas in Trespasser and I can't stop laughing. It's probably a similar reaction to my own, but it's so much funnier seeing other people's anger/frustration at the situation!

 

"I will never forget you."

 

"F*ck this!"

 

This is priceless. 

 

Holy Dirthamen, even with the hilarious commentary, watching this again sent me to the darkest, dustiest, most haunted parts of the feels corner. Solas      Oh, hey, nug king, fancy meeting you here! Are you grieving as well?

[NeverlandHunter]

Yep, definitely prefer Alix for Lavellan after watching some of that. Sumalee Montano's delivery on some of the lines is a bit flat. Like the "Var lath vir suledin".

I definitely agree. Sumalee's voice is very powerful, and I think it works well for aggressive and leadership dialogue. But Alix just has a much better range with emotion (IMO), and you can really feel it coming through.

[MayriyaNoori]

I just watched Geek Remix's reaction to Solas in Trespasser and I can't stop laughing. It's probably a similar reaction to my own, but it's so much funnier seeing other people's anger/frustration at the situation!

If you haven't seen it it's hilarious, and they use Sumalee Montano's voice for their Lavellan which is interesting to see the differences if you haven't before!

As funny as their commentary is....

 

.....it is so hard for me to listen to the Dread Wolf theme and not get teary eyed.

 

So, this video really confuzzled my emotions, lol.

[RynJ]

I definitely agree. Sumalee's voice is very powerful, and I think it works well for aggressive and leadership dialogue. But Alix just has a much better range with emotion (IMO), and you can really feel it coming through.

 

Meanwhile, GDL outclasses everyone.  He really did amazing work in DAI and he'd better be on hold for DA4. Was this his first time voice acting for something like this? I'm impressed!