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[Homeboundcrib]

You're again confusing me. I didn't call anyone slow but Lavellan, a fictional character. Gonna ignore the personal insults.

I don't see how lavellan is slow unless you played her like that. And I know she is a fictional character, still its little mean and offensive to call them slow. I have had a few lavellan now I made one that was insecure and all that but my main lavellan had an idea something was not right. But was willing to stick with the relationship and see if solas was willing to share when ready.

[Elessara]

That's because people don't like it when their chosen characters are bad mouthed. I'm no different, though I dont take it personally.

 

Apology accepted.

 

Oh yeah?!  Well ... well ... Cassandra looks like a man!  So take that!

 

j/k  =p

 

Hey, Colonel you should be proud of me, I actually made a male character (which is not something I normally do) just to romance Cass.

[Elessara]

By this logic, our Inquisitors are every personality under the sun just because there are many different dialogue options were present in the game. Are they all of them just because those options exist? There's a reason they give you a choice of dialogue. RPing. 

 

Wait, your Lavellan didn't have a multiple personality disorder?  I mean, I know I reloaded each cutscene as many times as it took to choose every single dialogue option and varying branches.

 

No one else did this?

[Sable Rhapsody]

I don't think ignoring dialogue options that the writers put in for you means its reliant on a headcanon but that's a debate for another day I suppose. Put it this way, I see it as this. There's the writer's intended way of writing Lavellans and the player's idea and how they play them. Sometimes, no matter what, there are things that a player simply can't ignore when looking at their character while some you can. I for instance like to think of my character as intelligent and competent, but we were all fooled in trespasser by spies, so I have to accept that my character isn't so infallible, whether I like that or not. I could maybe make a headcanon excuse, but at the end of the day, I know there's a clear conflict of interests between my intended character, and what the developers laid on the foundation.

 

You don't have to click on the dialogue options, but they're there. And for a reason. When talking about "Lavellan" in general, they should be taken into consideration. It would be different if the dialogue choices made a drastic difference in character like with Hawke, but quizzy seems much more balanced.

 

Mmm...I'm of two minds of this.  Yes, you can talk about "generic" quizzy, but IMO it's like talking about default worldstate.  It's there.  It's a thing.  But it's just not as interesting of a thing to talk about, and IMO doesn't provide very much insight into the character simply because it's so broad a spectrum of potential characters.

 

As for the disconnect between what's in-game and what's in the player's head, I agree that to a certain point, you have to accommodate the game.  Hell, just to make any sense, every BioWare hero shares some traits: badass, determined, adventurous.  How much you want to accommodate the game will vary by player.  Some players are perfectly comfortable with headcanoning the Inquisitor as their Warden, and I could never do that.  It's too much of a stretch with the in-game dialogue.  But I am willing to work my away around a derpy dialogue option here and there, especially the ones (like "What's a Mythal") that turned out to be bugs.

[Ellawynn]

 

I like Alistair, but I feel like we'd end up being friends instead of dating.  Despite being the thread twelve-year-old, I don't handle Alistair's particular brand of immaturity very well in relationships.  My ex was a bit like that, and it drove me insane.

 

Now, give me DA:I Alistair, and I will be all over that 

Hmm. See, I'm looking at it more from the standpoint of "What LI could put up with me long enough to actually date me?" as much as "Which LI would I get along with the best?" And I mean - I'm a twenty-something who's technically an adult and should probably start acting like one, but godammit, sometimes I just want to watch Teen Titans and wear three-day-old pants and eat cheez-its for dinner. I feel like Alistair's the only one who'd be cool with that. Probably join in, too.

 

I guess this puts me out of your dating pool, huh? 

[Kadan]

By this logic, our Inquisitors are every personality under the sun just because there are many different dialogue options were present in the game. Are they all of them just because those options exist? There's a reason they give you a choice of dialogue. RPing. 

 

Exactly. Just because there is an option to ask 'What's a Mythal?" doesn't mean I clicked it! My Trevelyan did because, emmm what is a mythal? would be running through her head since she knows nothing about the elven gods. But my Lavellan wouldn't ask such a stupid question. She did however ask if Varric was with the Chantry, I mean how was a Dalish elf supposed to know that couldn't be the case. Plus I love to watch Solas laugh in that scene.

[Colonelkillabee]

By this logic, our Inquisitors are every personality under the sun just because there are many different dialogue options were present in the game. Are they all of them just because those options exist? There's a reason they give you a choice of dialogue. RPing. Just because the options are perceived as being less varied than Hawke's doesn't mean they don't represent different personality choices. 

Barely worth mentioning. They all amount more or less to the same thing in the end besides when you can crack jokes. When things are serious however, they may as well be the same thing.

 

 

I don't see how lavellan is slow unless you played her like that. And I know she is a fictional character, still its little mean and offensive to call them slow. I have had a few lavellan now I made one that was insecure and all that but my main lavellan had an idea something was not right. But was willing to stick with the relationship and see if solas was willing to share when ready.

I'm sure people would find it mean. Inconsequential really. There's not only the solas stuff, even how she ended up there wasn't that bright. She's a dalish sent to spy as an elf. How does she explain her markings. Lol.

 

And then if you get your markings removed and read that bit about fennypoo removing people's tats... Why they let us know way before the characters do, I'm not sure. I'd find that a bit frustrating.

[Moirin]

 

*Shares a picture I like for no reason*. SOURCE.

 

I thought North Americans pronounced beer, bare and bear differently? We pronounce them all the same (same with hair, here and hare).

 

Bare and bear are the same, as is hair and hare, but beer and here are not.

[Colonelkillabee]

Oh yeah?!  Well ... well ... Cassandra looks like a man!  So take that!

 

j/k  =p

 

Hey, Colonel you should be proud of me, I actually made a male character (which is not something I normally do) just to romance Cass.

Indeed I am It's better than those getting mad that Cass isn't gay so they can witness her romance, same as those saying the same about Solas.

[Elessara]

Barely worth mentioning. They all amount more or less to the same thing in the end besides when you can crack jokes. When things are serious however, they may as well be the same thing.

 

 

I'm sure people would find it mean. Inconsequential really. There's not only the solas stuff, even how she ended up there wasn't that bright. She's a dalish sent to spy as an elf. How does she explain her markings. Lol.

 

And then if you get your markings removed and read that bit about fennypoo removing people's tats... Why they let us know way before the characters do, I'm not sure. I'd find that a bit frustrating.

 

Fennypoo.  *snerk*

[Homeboundcrib]

Exactly. Just because there is an option to ask 'What's a Mythal?" doesn't mean I clicked it! My Trevelyan did because, emmm what is a mythal? would be running through her head since she knows nothing about the elven gods. But my Lavellan wouldn't ask such a stupid question. She did however ask if Varric was with the Chantry, I mean how was a Dalish elf supposed to know that couldn't be the case. Plus I love to watch Solas laugh in that scene.

Yes that's why I choose that option to ask about Varric and the Chantry to hear solas little chuckle haha it's cute lol

[Sable Rhapsody]

Hmm. See, I'm looking at it more from the standpoint of "What LI could put up with me long enough to actually date me?" as much as "Which LI would I get along with the best?" And I mean - I'm a twenty-something who's technically an adult and should probably start acting like one, but godammit, sometimes I just want to watch Teen Titans and wear three-day-old pants and eat cheez-its for dinner. I feel like Alistair's the only one who'd be cool with that. Probably join in, too.

 

I guess this puts me out of your dating pool, huh? 

 

Nah, I don't care about Teen Titans or three-day-old pants or cheez-its   I'm typing this up right now in my underpants.

 

My problem is mostly that DA:O Alistair hasn't figured out who he is yet, so he turns to everyone else to get validation on who he is and what he does.  Which I find aggravating.  By DA:I, he's sorted out a lot of his problems with identity and insecurity, so I'd get along with him a lot better.  But a lot of that's also to do with getting older as I play the series.  Back when I first played DA:O, I didn't know who the f*** I was either.  If I met DA:O Alistair six years ago, we'd get along just fine.

[Eivuwan]

Um, spoiler for length 

Spoiler

I’ve decided to go off on a rant, why keep it all inside when I can inflict it on all of you?

 

Right, so I’ll start this off by saying that I am most obviously a Solas fan. My first play throughs of all the Dragon Age games have had my character romance a plot important character (this was not done intentionally). I enjoy that, I think it makes the first experience all the more emotional. Solas is, however, the first one of out the three that I decided to keep as canon. His romance and his character became very important to me. I found the romance to have a lot of “edge of the seat” suspense. It was romantic and tragic and it left me wanting more.

 

As a character, no matter what he puts my Lavellan through, Solas will always be a favorite. What hasn’t been said about him? He’s well written, layered, thought provoking, morally gray, AND ABSOLUTELY FRUSTRATING TO NO END!

 

The ending of Trespasser left a lot of room for Team Optimism to come in, but their actual romance left a lot for the damp cloud of Pessimism and the blunt smack to the face of Realism. Like WHAT THE H-E-DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS IS GOING ON IN THEIR ROMANCE!?

 

And as a disclaimer I absolutely know that fictional romances do not and almost always cannot translate to the real world. It’s fiction, it’s escapism. I’m living vicariously through Lavellan, experiencing things I can’t in the real world. I am almost certain I’ll never be dumped by an ancient not-god elf, but I got some semblance of the experience in Dragon Age and it sucked. This experience has incited a ridiculous amount of contradictory feelings at one point or the other in my person, but right now I’m “ERRRR”, take that as you will. So with that said I will be criticizing the romance with all the fury of a scorned lover, or more accurately a friend who just spent the last two weeks watching Scrubs and eating icecream because her dear friend was dumped by a guy I warned her from the start was bad news.

 

Let it be known that this doesn’t change the fact that I’m desperately wishing for a happy ending to Solas and Lavellan’s romance. I just have too many feelings and I need to get them off my chest!

 

Now, I’ll actually begin this rant by bringing up the power imbalance that has been mentioned many times before in the thread. It isn’t the fact that Solas is an ancient elven not-god, or that he’s a lot older to your possibly young (young to him no matter what) Lavellan. That doesn’t not bother me. It’s the lack of awareness on Lavellan’s part that bothers me. Which I understand that Solas “warned” (very very crappy kissy affectionate game warning) Lavellan and she was the one that initiated the romance, but Solas only let a certain side of him show, and that was the side Lavellan would of initially be attracted to. You can argue that Solas showed the part of himself that was most important, or whatever, but in the end the lack of understanding of who Solas was, was almost like a lack of choice for Lavellan. There’s a lot of parallels to be found with the Blackwall romance here. Thom Rainer hid behind another man’s identity, but Solas did a very similar thing. The Solas he showed might have been the original, or most important Solas, but he left out a very significant part of who he was. Let’s be honest how many Lavellan’s would have started a relationship with Solas knowing who he was? It doesn’t make much lore/world sense that she would of fell in love regardless. Which I know, it would have been a big shame then, right? You have this whole Beauty and the Beast scenario going on, but Lavellan’s prejudice and upbringing would have blinded her to what matters on the inside. Except Solas isn’t a not-so-handsome prince on the inside. He’s exceedingly gray in there! And their romance didn’t end with Lavellan being all Disney happy in love with Solas, no, she’s quite possibly extremely hurt, torn-up, and broken about the whole situation!

 

Which segways me to the second part of this rant. As the player I know more about what’s going on with Solas than Lavellan does. She doesn’t know about his hesitation at Crestwood. She doesn’t know that he nearly gave up everything for her. Just look at this completely through Lavellan’s perspective for a second.

 

Look a cute and smart elf hobo apostate. We have so much in common.

 

I think I like the cute and smart elf hobo apostate.

 

*Kisses*

 

I definitely like the cute and smart elf hobo apostate.

 

*Headcanoning falling for him*

 

“Ar lath ma, vhenan.”

 

The cute and smart elf hobo apostate loves me!

 

*Time passes*

 

“I have something to show you.”

 

*Holding hands lalalala*

 

“You wear slave markings the Dalish were wrong—again.”

 

*Emotional moment and kissing and butt grab*

 

“Uh, sorry I did this, but we can’t do this anymore. It’s my fault, not yours… uh, see you in Skyhold.”

 

WHAT THE FRICKING FLUCK JUST HAPPENED!?

 

Solas gives no warning, he just dumps her, and he does it badly! Lavellan can probably see that he cares for her, but she has no idea why he dumps her! All she can come up with is it has something to do with her face or duty! Now he leaves for two years after a very very very sh*tty goodbye, and when he shows back up it’s all, you are important to me, but your world has to die. Blah blah I need to do this blah blah blah I’m not going to give you much room to protest blah blah blah goodbye my love. Mixed fricking message!! That’s all your Lavellan gets. Now we all play ours differently, but for my lovely Lavellan I would say this left her a mess. She finds out he’s Fen’Harel, he’s always been Fen’Harel, lovey dovey wise that might not matter, but she just found out the Solas she thought she knew was Fen’HaFRICKINGrel! The trickster, betrayer, boogie man from her legends AND an ancient elf! First on the his knowledge part, my Lavellan would have given her left arm (ha.) for the chance to speak with a less angry/harsh version of Abelas. She’s always sought out ancient histories and the knowledge from her people’s past. Solas knew sooo much and never told her. Yeah, I know he couldn’t have without revealing too much, but errgege is that not salt in the wound? But obviously that isn’t the worst of it, Solas lied (yeahyeahyeah he omissed) to Lavellan about who he was, about how he gained his knowledge, and about his goals. So of course that draws into question (not to us we are the great observers from afar) whether or not Solas actually loved Lavellan. And even if he did was he just using her as a distraction?

 

The messed up part is, is that definitely was! Feel free to argue this with me, but Solas knew his what he intended to do from the start. He went into a romance with Lavellan knowing it wouldn’t work out, knowing that of course it would end up hurting her, but he did it anyway! He started making friends and seeing the gremlins as people and I imagine he was stressed and confused and guilty—and look! There’s Lavellan with her questions and her compassion and her resolve. With her beautiful smile and her bright eyes and he wants to feel her weight against him, the smoothness of her skin, the rough calloused parts. He wants her to continue to seek him out and to light up as he shares knowledge with her that he hasn’t had the chance to share in ages. He’s lonely and she’s willing, so why not?

 

“Ar lath ma, vhenan.”

 

Well Solas the problem with this is that you never gave up your plans or your “duty”, no you knew that you would go eventually go through with it, but like a teenager with weekend homework you decided to push it to the back of your mind and put it off until you realized you couldn’t anymore. And yeah, there was a moment when Solas debated giving it all up for Lavellan and this matters a lot to us, but Lavellan doesn’t know this! What she knows is that she was a nice distraction for Solas, a reprieve from all his nasty inner turmoil.

 

I put the brunt of their relationship screwyness on Solas, and it is mostly on him, but Lavellan had her own “ERR” crap too. What are the first questions you ask someone you ask someone you’re interested in? You ask them about their personal lives, the places they’ve been, the things they like, and their family. I headcanon that Lavellan knows Solas has things he doesn’t want to share with her, and she never presses him because secretly deep down she knows somethings off about him and she’s afraid if she asks him something too personal that moment of happiness she found with him will collapse and reality will be looking her cruelly in the eye. And this is crazy (again headcanon), they both have this pretend little happy land built up, and it’s shallow. I don’t think their love is, that has to mean something, but their actual relationship was built up on lies and misdirection!

 

By Andraste’s grace their relationship is sooo *pulls at hair*. I don’t want to say unhealthy, because I feel like that implies abuse a little too much, and although Solas had the upper hand on the knowledge department I think they’re both mutually stupid -.-. Actually no, Solas is definitely more the idiot, but Lavellan’s the love blinded fool who’s still willing to put her heart out to Solas. Even after everything he’s done, and said, and the little insecurities Lavellan must feel she’s still willing to give him a chance. Which, to me, is both frustrating and admirable. I know that I’m the one puppeteering Lavellan, but I feel like she’s her own, very flawed, person now.

 

Solas will no doubt continue to make me grind my teeth in annoyance at his actions. His willingness to speak, but not to listen. His inability to “walk in other people’s shoes” (as someone else on the thread pointed out). His way of being so utterly selfish, while being so self-assured he’s being selfless. I’m sure I’ll continue to have the urge to beat some sense into Solas and to chuck my controller at the wall, while still appreciating his character and choosing all the heart options for his romance.

 

Phew, I don’t know if I feel better or worst. Let me know what you guys think. I need blanket fort therapy, and props to you if you made it through that whole thing!

I feel so negative right now...

 

Well said. I also think it's hilarious how Lavellan reacted to the Fen'Harel reveal with "You're Fen'Harel?" It's like she just said, "You like chocolate? Oh I didn't know that."

[Elessara]

Indeed I am It's better than those getting mad that Cass isn't gay so they can witness her romance, same as those saying the same about Solas.

 

I don't understand getting angry about that.  I *like* that characters have preferences.  It makes them more believable.  Before the game was released I was a little disappointed that Dorian was gay but I could just make a male char for him as I've done for Cass.  I might not though, I really like the best friend feeling from him better.  And getting him to hook up with Iron Bull is cool, especially if you talk to Bull after your char finds out about the relationship.  I don't know, it's just nice to see that your companions have lives that actually don't revolve around your char or "the mission" all the time.

[figment_]

By this logic, our Inquisitors are every personality under the sun just because there are many different dialogue options present in the game. Are they all of them just because those options exist? There's a reason they give you a choice of dialogue: RPing. Just because the options are perceived as being less varied than Hawke's doesn't mean they don't represent different personality choices. 

 

Even despite all this, there's no dialogue option pertaining to Lavellan's motivation towards getting involved with the Solas romance, or really about her inner feelings on him in general. That's the point in the romance that you have to fill in on your own, and that's where it just becomes your personal headcanon. If you want to headcanon that Lavellan thought nothing at all was wrong with Solas, do that. If you want to say she did, do that. Neither are wrong and neither are right.

I agree. Also, there is nothing "wrong" or pathological with someone who identifies with their PC (ahem-player character) and enjoys romancing whomever they wish in-game without being bashed for it...

[RynJ]

Barely worth mentioning. They all amount more or less to the same thing in the end besides when you can crack jokes. When things are serious however, they may as well be the same thing.

 

I really don't remember the dialogue choices being all that similar in the game that I'd feel this way. They aren't always as clean cut different as the Hawke choices, but I found the three and only three personality choices in DA2 bordering on the ridiculous, personally. As much as I love my purple Hawke! 

[NeverlandHunter]

Izzy and Morrigan get hit with some of this too.  But IMO, there's no point in knocking any of the characters for this sort of thing, PC or NPC.  All of the characters have issues.  All of them have problems.  That's what makes their stories (romance or not) so interesting to us.  

 

And it's why I wouldn't touch most of them with a ten-foot pole IRL.  If Solas turned up right now, in the flesh, I certainly wouldn't be daft enough to kiss him.  I'd make him a cup of cocoa and get him the number for my old shrink 

Lol. Let's put them all into perspective in this lovely round of speed dating!

 

Round 1

A handsome stranger is in front of you with a sly smile on his face. He then pulls out a blade and rushes towards you where you promptly tackle him to the ground. 

"Ah, I have been outmatched. Now if you let me go instead of calling the police I will work for you and in the future we can make hot and exotic love!"

...

Round 2

"Tis' best to get this over with quickly is it not? I am called Morrigan, I do not like weakness, whining, religion, stupidity, "love", or men with no spine. But I have need of you in my bedroom, and your appearance is not entirely unappealing."

...

Round 3

"Oh hi! I'm Leliana, I've spent the last couple years becoming closer with God, I enjoy telling stories, and singing-- oh and I love shoes!"

"It's nice to meet you Leliana I'm--"

Leliana throws you and herself under the table as gunfire tears through the building.

"Marjolaine!"

...

Round 4

"Uhm, uh, yeah, I'm not really great at doing this sort of thing. What comes first? Oh! Oh, yeah my name. I'm uh, Alistair, hi."

"You don't need to be so nervous Alistair, tell me a bit about yourself."

"Uh, yeah. Well I was raised by my father's friend. Not as his son, or anything, I actually lived in the basement... that was his wife though. Uh, anyway. He kind of sent me off to join the Church, but I really didn't want and a recruiter found me. His name was Duncan, he is a really... I mean was, he just died. It was my fault I wasn't there for him and he..."

...

You didn't find love this week? Join us next week for another round of speed dating!

 

Round 1

"Well hello handsome. I'm Isabela, I like sex, a lot. There really isn't much more to it. Well there shouldn't be anyway."

"Uhm--"

Two large men in black suits enter the establishment scanning the area as if they were looking for someone.

"Uh oh, got to go!"

...

Round 2

"Hey, I'm Anders. I like cats, bad jokes, and feathers. I hate ​the suppressors and the abusers who escape Justice! You're really cute by the way."

"Uh thanks, you're not so bad looking yourself."

"Look, we really shouldn't do this, it will only end poorly in the long run! Oh what the hell, come here!"

...

"AH MY EYES!"

...

Round 3

"Hello, it's alright if I sit down here, right? Oh I hope I'm not bothering you too much. I'm Merrill. I haven't said that yet have I? Sorry, I'm a bit out of sorts, I was just kicked out of my home, and it's been a very hard transition."

"I'm sorry to hear that."

"Oh no! Don't be sorry, it's not your fault. My family just thought I was to dangerous to have around anymore. I can control my power though! I swear! They just don't understand. It's just blood, it isn't really dangerous, you know?

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Round 4

"I am Fenris. Are you one of them?"

"Uh, one of who?"

"One of those power hungry bastards, whose only purpose in life is to corrupt and destroy. Monsters who walk among men. I will not suffer their presence!"

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Round 5

...

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. It is part of my favorite verse. I can recite the rest by memory too, I rather not bore you though. I know that my faith can turn people away sometimes. "

"It's fine Sebastian, you said you were hiring for a job, what was that exactly?"

"Ah, well... I'm looking to hire some people to help me kill my family's murderers."

...

 

You didn't find love this week? Join us next week for another round of speed dating!

 

Round 1

"This whole things a pretty funny set, yeah. Everyone's all nervous and drinking to make the nervous go away, but just making themselves say stupid things! It's great! I could spend the whole evening here!"

Screams erupt from the kitchens and a smell wafts into the dining area.

"That'll be the stink bombs! I put them in the oven, genius, right!?"

...

Round 2

"Hey, I'm Blackwall."

"Is that your first name?"

"It's the only name that matters. It's the name I'll live up to, the person I'll be! I let the puppy die you know, I could of saved him."

"I think you're drunk."

...

Round 3

"Hello there! I am Dorian from house Pavus. I have no idea anymore why I'm here. Did you try what they're serving as drinks? It's complete swill! Oh but excuse me, introductions on your part are necessary."

"Hi I'm--"

"Dear Lord! What is that woman wearing? A leather jacket, with that outfit! It's an atrocity! Oh yes, yourself, please go on."

"Um, as I was saying I'm--"

"Waiter, I'm incredibly curious on whether or not this is actually edible. It's placed in front of me like I'm supposed to eat it, but I doubt anyone could--"

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Round 4

"Hello, I am Cassandra I--"

"You're that cop that accused me of setting the courthouse on fire!"

"Oh it's you, I was completely justified for that and, and it was settled in court months ago!"

"Uh huh. So you're interested in finding that special someone?"

"What, no, of course not! Something so frivolous. How ridiculous! I was forced into this! I don't even know why I'm here, I'm leaving!"

...

Round 5

"Uhm, hello, my I'm Cullen Rutherford. I'm a commander in a, well it's sort of a militia, but we have proper backing now. Uh, anyway, I moved here after some issues with my last job, and I moved there because of issues the time before that. I don't actually have time for this. There's a lot going on right now, and, and I don't know I'm telling you all of this."

"It's okay Cullen, you can just talk freely, this is my third week of this. I'm inclined to just sit here for awhile."

Several hours, or perhaps several minutes pass by.

"You're right! I need to call my sister! And a councilor wouldn't be a bad idea either. Thank you, I'm off then!"

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Round 6

"Hey! Name's The Iron Bull!"

"Um, your name is what?"

"The Iron Bull, most people call me Bull."

"Bull?"

"Yep, did you see that guy just leave? Definitely has a military background, probably seen some **** too. A little more pressure working and I bet he snaps! Yeah! This crap they're serving doesn't do ******, good thing I brought my own! Want some?"

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Round 7 

"Hello, it is a pleasure to meet you. My name is Josephine Montilyet, I'm head of human resources at The Inquisitor corps. in Haven. I have my masters degree in Business administration and I've been working finances for my family's company for as long as I remember. I enjoy operah, romantic movies, and conversations by the light of a fireplace. Oh, my times up! Now 15 seconds for you and just answer the same questions. I'm writing all the answers I collect tonight down so I can compare and contrast them later!"

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Round 8

"Hello, I am Solas. Ask me anything."

"Um, hi Solas, so do you live in the city?"

"Ah no, I live where ever I am taken. I enjoy traveling."

"Oh, that's awesome. I wish I could travel more. Where have you been?"

"I have been to Rome at the peak of it's glory. To Ireland when it was only a scattering of tribes. I've been to Africa before it was colonized by the Europeans, and to the Americas before Columbus was born."

"Uhm, how?"

"In my dreams of course!"

"Oh, that's very special. I'm glad you can find so much happiness in your dreams."

"Thank you, not everyone appreciates it as you do."

"So, where were did you grow up then?"

"In a small town north of here."

"Uh huh, and do all your relatives live there?"

"No."

"Um, so what do you do for a living?"

"I told you, I travel through my dreams."

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Who needs love?

 

 

 

Lol. This took a lot longer than I expected!

[figment_]

Lol. Let's put them all into perspective in this lovely round of speed dating!

 

 

 

Lol. This took a lot longer than I expected!

Priceless.

[drosophila]

Lol. This took a lot longer than I expected!

 

This is awesome!

[Garnet]

My Lavellan's opinion on the matter. 

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(She's not blond, she's ginger, but no matter.)

 

But there's much better things to focus on: I'm off to read and write detailed comments on as many fics as I can before the weekend ends. *holds highlighter and smiles fiendishly*

[NeverlandHunter]

I think we're on the denial portion of the Solas thread He obviously cares about Lavellan, yes, but he's been rather distant from her still even when he's with her. The confirmation that they didn't bang is another sign, and if your guy doesn't want to sleep with you but you're in a committed relationship, it isn't because he's an asexual. 9 times out of 10 something is wrong, and in this case that obviously is true.

I don't doubt Lavellan could of asked more questions, and I never said he wasn't distant with her. He is, I agree completely. I just said he was full of mixed signals when it came to not wanting to be in a relationship with her. And there was never any confirmation they didn't bang

 

And yet, every single one of the DA characters who warns you off has something bad going on.  Izzy gets cold feet because she's Izzy, and she's got the whole mess with the qunari.  Morrigan flat-out tells the Warden to break up with her.  Anders, Solas...hell, even Wynne warns you about getting too involved with Alistair because (FORESHADOWING) your love and duty may conflict.  To a lesser extent, it also happens in Mass Effect 2 with Thane and Jack, who are respectively dying and a dangerous mess.

 

This certainly doesn't apply to new folks, but I think at this point, those of us who have played our way through the whole DA series can't say we weren't warned.  I got Solas's "this could lead to trouble line," shrugged, and clicked the heart anyway.

Well no Mass Effect examples because i haven't played, but all those romances could end up happy even if they have inbetween drama! Video game romance warnings aren't worth any credibility 

 

There is that - but it brings up the question, what if Lavellan didn't trust him back? He can't afford to blow his cover. If it got out he was the Dread Wolf, all of Thedas would be knocking on his door, either asking for an interview or for his head. 

 

Like - yes, Solas choose duty over love. His choose his goals over Lavellan. But something that's always, always annoyed me is that the idea that love is the most important thing, and you're never allowed to prioritize anything above it. It's so - so refreshing to find a character who thinks differently, who realizes how selfish it is to sacrifice the world to be with your love. I kinda wish Solas had some more morally complex reasons (Or at least, if he does have morally complex reasons, that the game would've told us that) but nonetheless I'm happy to see someone who realizes the flaw in that logic.

 

It's just a shame that some in the fandom can't see how selfish that is, and would rather just slap the abuse label on it because it didn't turn out like some Disney romance.

Agreed. Most romances would be boring without a little drama. And besides, it's so much healthier to explore this in fiction, where I can just go read a diabetes-sweet modern AU when canon gets too heavy for me to handle. 

 

And I probably wouldn't date Solas in real life either. But that's also partially because I'm not sure how I'd explain to my parents that I ran off to college and came back with a boyfriend who looks old enough to be my father, and is old enough to be the father of human civilization.

 

That and the whole "Ancient elven god trying to destroy the world" thing. And they think getting a tattoo is bad...

My Lavellan trusted him, still in a weird way trusts him to make the right choice at the end of the day she's an optimistic lil unicorn!

 

Well said. I also think it's hilarious how Lavellan reacted to the Fen'Harel reveal with "You're Fen'Harel?" It's like she just said, "You like chocolate? Oh I didn't know that."

Thank you!  And I agree, I headcanon she was holding in her emotions, that's why she was so stoic, but really? That's all you the reaction you'll give?

[Cee]

Exactly. Just because there is an option to ask 'What's a Mythal?" doesn't mean I clicked it! My Trevelyan did because, emmm what is a mythal? would be running through her head since she knows nothing about the elven gods. But my Lavellan wouldn't ask such a stupid question. She did however ask if Varric was with the Chantry, I mean how was a Dalish elf supposed to know that couldn't be the case. Plus I love to watch Solas laugh in that scene.

 

Solas doing his goofy thing right there is too good to pass up. But as you said, just because there are dialogue options there doesn't mean you have to take them. Mine never asked Dorian what "company of men" meant because well, she's bi and doesn't need an explanation about same sex attraction. Just an example. But also the Mythal question. She had Mythal's vallaslin, so that wasn't really a question she'd ask.
 

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I'm not going to re-quote or name any names here, but equating optimism with naivety...HAH!

 

...It makes me wanna whap someone over the head with my "old-lady" cane!!!

 

 

 

Figuratively speaking, of course...I am really non-violent...But some people seem to have no clue about or respect for those they're talking to...

[Cee]

I am out of likes again, but NeverlandHunter   great job!

[Cee]

That's because people don't like it when their chosen characters are bad mouthed. I'm no different, though I dont take it personally.

 

Apology accepted.

 

And now this is basically negating any criticism of your argument by calling players too sensitive instead of maybe looking at all of our critical explorations of this matter.

 

Many times on this thread we have been critical of some of the decisions like the Mythal question and some of the other aspects, but if you disagree with someone's opinion, dismissing the opinion holders/players as essentially too sensitive to handle criticism of their characters is also pretty disrespectful.