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[NeverlandHunter]

I'm on Team "Hope for the best, brace for apocalypse" And I think your post was spot-on.

And for what it's worth, not every Inquisitor (or every romanced Lavellan) is going to take that leap of faith, and there are extremely good reasons not to. Quizzy just busted his/her ass saving the world, and lost an arm along the way. There's a very good argument that taking the leap of faith is too great of a risk; you're basically gambling with the fate of the world you just saved.


See, I trust BioWare to tell me a good story, but I'm always suspicious they'll pull the rug out from under me. Ever since Viconia all the way back in BG2 She spends the game warning you off, then dies in the f***ing epilogue

Oh goodness I said I was going to bed! Why would the epilogue kill her, that's soo messed up!

[rowrow]

Same. That one Cole banter actually made me angry for this very reason. I don't want the game to assume the way my character feels about anything, unless their family died because it's a fair assumption that they're sad. I thought it was pretty dang obvious that whatever was up Solas' butt in that scene, it was far from being about Lavellan. And my Lavellan knew that too. The whole time she was just wondering what the heck was going on with him that was making him go this direction with their relationship. It was clear that it wasn't really because of her. She's more worried about Solas than the status of their relationship, because he obviously had some serious baggage that he was struggling to work through. 

 

I had the same reaction to that banter. Not that it wasn't a small knife in the feels anyway, but still.

[Cee]

I thought he was cute with the mage origin *.* not so much in DA2 when he's tanding back (yes I know it's not his fault) and letting all the abuse that's happening at gallows happen. My Hawke was bitter about that, I'm not. It's my Hawke's feelz.

 

Are you still going to that meet up tomorrow Cee? It was you that posted about, right? Sometimes with all the people posting it's hard to keep track.

Edit: I guess it would actually be today. 

 

Yes, the meetup/party is tonight. I'm going to try and hopefully get in.

 

I didn't play a mage in DAO, so my impression of Cullen was traumatized and suggesting a seriously terrible course of action in killing the mages. Broken Circle is one of my favorite missions in DAO, and while I felt for Cullen, I just couldn't abide that. Then DA2 happened.

 

DAI was where Cullen was finally someone I could truly like.
 

[Cee]

Yes to Cullen IRL.

In-game though I found Golden Boy a little too perfect to be interesting.

 

Exactly.
 

[Jayla]

Well, I suppose while he's still trying to fix the breach, the power imbalance isn't so pronounced, they seem like they are on relatively equal footing, and Solas doesn't do anything to dissuade her from that idea. You might even think he likes being thought of as some innocuous apostate hobo elf.

 

Then, for much of the game, she does have the power, and he has to depend on her to help him. And then in Trespasser, he reveals he is literally a several thousands year old demi-god who ruined the world - and is going to kill her and everyone she loves (possibly including even himself) to change it back. He has the power now, and she has to scrape at his feet and try to beg him not to do the thing.

 

The power balance thing is important, because it keeps one partner from taking advantage of the other, or from feeling resentful or used or even utterly dependent on them inside the relationship.

 

Edit: I'm not sure if this makes sense, because I am super tired, but I'm going to leave it up anyway.

 

If we're going to put importance on power then I'll have to say I disagree there. I didn't see the ending of Trespasser as the power being at her having "to scrape at his feet and try to beg him not to do the thing". If anything, the Inquisitor becomes Solas' greatest weakness at that moment, and he hands it to them. Even to an Assquisitor who he doesn't explain absolutely everything to, he lets them live and gives them a general gist of what's going to happen.

 

Considering, if he wanted to upset this balance, he could have left with absolutely no one to know what he's doing to stop him. Even if the Inquisition's disbanded, the Inquisitor still has a lot of sway over people from reputation alone, they'll have informal contacts to call upon, and they're about to go to the one place where Solas doesn't know anyone to make infiltration a huge issue. So even though they lose the Anchor, and potentially the Inquisition, Lavellan still has a lot of power. IMO anyway. x)

 

I understand the whole issue in an IRL relationship or even in a DAI romance, it's just Solavellan never struck me as being "out of balance". They're both pretty powerful people, just in different ways.

 

I don't know if I'm making any sense either. x) It's 7:38am here and I haven't slept, so I won't be surprised if I come back later and all of this resembles Old God speech from World of Warcraft.

[roselavellan]

Oh I was the same, the end of the game was rather anti-climatic because of this. I skipped the party and went straight to my room in tears, it was awful..

 

I did the exact same thing. I think I spoke to one person then left. It just felt meaningless. The ending scene of the main game was definitely the most depressing I've had to endure of all the games I've played to date.

 

About Cullen. I've been trying to like him, but still no. Not even in real life. I mean, being with someone who has the power to kill you (if a mage), and who all but admits he would if he had to... well, if people are talking about power imbalances, I'd say that's one there.

[Cee]

If we're going to put importance on power then I'll have to say I disagree there. I didn't see the ending of Trespasser as the power being at her having "to scrape at his feet and try to beg him not to do the thing". If anything, the Inquisitor becomes Solas' greatest weakness at that moment, and he hands it to them. Even to an Assquisitor who he doesn't explain absolutely everything to, he lets them live and gives them a general gist of what's going to happen.

 

Considering, if he wanted to upset this balance, he could have left with absolutely no one to know what he's doing to stop him. Even if the Inquisition's disbanded, the Inquisitor still has a lot of sway over people from reputation alone, they'll have informal contacts to call upon, and they're about to go to the one place where Solas doesn't know anyone to make infiltration a huge issue. So even though they lose the Anchor, and potentially the Inquisition, Lavellan still has a lot of power. IMO anyway. x)

 

I understand the whole issue in an IRL relationship or even in a DAI romance, it's just Solavellan never struck me as being "out of balance". They're both pretty powerful people, just in different ways.

 

I don't know if I'm making any sense either. x) It's 7:38am here and I haven't slept, so I won't be surprised if I come back later and all of this resembles Old God speech from World of Warcraft.

 

Well, sleepless Jayla makes sense to me.

 

My opinion is similar.

[Cee]

Oh I was the same, the end of the game was rather anti-climatic because of this. I skipped the party and went straight to my room in tears, it was awful..

 

I wondered if something would happen and he'd be back too, and even though I took my time and talked to everyone at the party and did everything before going up to the room, the whole scene (the dim lighting didn't help!) just had this huge pall over it. It was like this weight of sadness and I feel like for Nirwen, it was like...if you have to be at a party/function because you're the main guest or important somehow, but all you really want to do is just get away. Like feeling alone in a crowd.

[rowrow]

I don't doubt Lavellan could of asked more questions, and I never said he wasn't distant with her. He is, I agree completely. I just said he was full of mixed signals when it came to not wanting to be in a relationship with her. And there was never any confirmation they didn't bang

 

Didn't bang? Of course they did. What is this blasphemy?

 

Doesn't he say that getting her into bed "is" an enjoyable side benefit (to being grim and fatalistic)?

 

'Is'. Not 'would be'.

 

What more do you need?

[Ellawynn]

 

 

Well no Mass Effect examples because i haven't played, but all those romances could end up happy even if they have inbetween drama! 

 

Not if you romance pretty ballerina frog.

 

#2015YesI'mStillBitter

[Cee]

Didn't bang? Of course they did. What is this blasphemy?

 

Doesn't he say that getting her into bed "is" an enjoyable side benefit (to being grim and fatalistic)?

 

'Is'. Not 'would be'.

 

What more do you need?

 

 

For those who headcanon it that way, they might not choose that line of dialogue, or being in bed doesn't require sex. Without getting too complicated into the whole situation, I'll just say my two ace friends are very dedicated cuddlers.

 

Though for most people, we'd take that as a line about sex, yes. And it is quite effective, IMO.

[roselavellan]

If we're going to put importance on power then I'll have to say I disagree there. I didn't see the ending of Trespasser as the power being at her having "to scrape at his feet and try to beg him not to do the thing". If anything, the Inquisitor becomes Solas' greatest weakness at that moment, and he hands it to them. Even to an Assquisitor who he doesn't explain absolutely everything to, he lets them live and gives them a general gist of what's going to happen.

 

Considering, if he wanted to upset this balance, he could have left with absolutely no one to know what he's doing to stop him. Even if the Inquisition's disbanded, the Inquisitor still has a lot of sway over people from reputation alone, they'll have informal contacts to call upon, and they're about to go to the one place where Solas doesn't know anyone to make infiltration a huge issue. So even though they lose the Anchor, and potentially the Inquisition, Lavellan still has a lot of power. IMO anyway. x)

 

I understand the whole issue in an IRL relationship or even in a DAI romance, it's just Solavellan never struck me as being "out of balance". They're both pretty powerful people, just in different ways.

 

I don't know if I'm making any sense either. x) It's 7:38am here and I haven't slept, so I won't be surprised if I come back later and all of this resembles Old God speech from World of Warcraft.

 

I think the power balance did shift a little, though Lavellan, even without the Anchor, is still powerful. She may have emotional power over him, but he's resisting it at the moment, and he does walk away from her after having said he'd destroy her world. I think that it will shift back in DA4 though.

[rowrow]

For those who headcanon it that way, they might not choose that line of dialogue, or being in bed doesn't require sex. Without getting too complicated into the whole situation, I'll just say my two ace friends are very dedicated cuddlers.

 

Though for most people, we'd take that as a line about sex, yes. And it is quite effective, IMO.

 

Good, so it's not just me grabbing at every crumb I can

 

I was mostly joking, though. I actually don't mind that there isn't an actual sex scene. I was fine with them not having taken it that far yet ... until I got that  line, at least

[Asperath]

I've got a question about one of the murals in Trespasser.

I'm fairly certain I know the intent/meaning of the other 3 but not sure about this one and would appreciate so insight from others.

(spoiler for size)

Spoiler

 

Farily, certain this one is about the titan Mythal killed... but I have so much doubt now lol

 

 

http://nthornborrow.tumblr.com/

 

Thanks

[Asperath]

Good, so it's not just me grabbing at every crumb I can

 

I was mostly joking, though. I actually don't mind that there isn't an actual sex scene. I was fine with them not having taken it that far yet ... until I got that  line, at least

 

Isn't there a response that you can make when he says about Dalish legend(not exact quoting)... "Maybe the Dread Wolf take you" and Lavellan says "So he did" and response is about he wouldn't lay with her under false pre tenses?

I felt this was in there for those who wished to believe they had had sex and those who believed they didn't could avoid such an option.

[FernRain]

I did the exact same thing. I think I spoke to one person then left. It just felt meaningless. The ending scene of the main game was definitely the most depressing I've had to endure of all the games I've played to date.

 

Oh yeah I think I spoke to one and decided I wasn't feeling it and ran off. Fortunately I'm a completionist so I waited until the last moment to do the Arbor Wilds and then got the Crestwood scene. And it was annoying because it was like 4 in the morning and I just had to finish it at that point. Ugh was so bad.

 

I wondered if something would happen and he'd be back too, and even though I took my time and talked to everyone at the party and did everything before going up to the room, the whole scene (the dim lighting didn't help!) just had this huge pall over it. It was like this weight of sadness and I feel like for Nirwen, it was like...if you have to be at a party/function because you're the main guest or important somehow, but all you really want to do is just get away. Like feeling alone in a crowd.

 

I remember she looks out over the mountains and I was like "WHAT IF SHE SEES HIM". It was not good. Not at all.

 

Then I went on a lore binge and learnt as much as I could and started to draw. I think I also got a bit sick because I was so sad and I cried for like three days off and on. First time I've ever experienced anything like that from a game .

 

Top: seeing pics of Solas makes me sad lately, so have a picture of his mural with his slave friends instead:

 

[rowrow]

Isn't there a response that you can make when he says about Dalish legend(not exact quoting)... "Maybe the Dread Wolf take you" and Lavellan says "So he did" and response is about he wouldn't lay with her under false pre tenses?

I felt this was in there for those who wished to believe they had had sex and those who believed they didn't could avoid such an option.

 

Does he say that? I didn't choose that dialogue option. I still haven't replayed Trespasser. I need to ... work myself up to it. Still, it does sound like something he would say

[Tess]

I did. He asks what is the old Dalish saying. She replies, so he did.

 

Bah, can't find the video. I picked it. the wheel option is Yes, ironically. She says And so he did.

 

He replies he wouldn't lay with her under false pretenses (I am assuming it related to being Solas first, Fen'Harel only as a nickname).

 

 

Edit:

Here!

 

https://youtu.be/QbL107_DgJE?t=252

[rowrow]

I did. He asks what is the old Dalish saying. She replies, so he did.

 

Bah, can't find the video. I picked it. the wheel option is Yes, ironically. She says And so he did.

 

He replies he wouldn't lay with her under false pretenses (I am assuming it related to being Solas first, Fen'Harel only as a nickname).

 

 

Edit:

Here!

 

https://youtu.be/QbL107_DgJE?t=252

 

[roselavellan]

Then I went on a lore binge and learnt as much as I could and started to draw. I think I also got a bit sick because I was so sad and I cried for like three days off and on. First time I've ever experienced anything like that from a game .
 

It's been intense, hasn't it? It took me about a month after the main game before I felt normal again, and then another month again after Trespasser. (It's almost like a real breakup, isn't it?) I'm so envious of you and everyone here who can write and draw, you are all so creative

Anyway, I'm off to bed. Have a lovely night/day!

[Asperath]

I did. He asks what is the old Dalish saying. She replies, so he did.

 

Bah, can't find the video. I picked it. the wheel option is Yes, ironically. She says And so he did.

 

He replies he wouldn't lay with her under false pretenses (I am assuming it related to being Solas first, Fen'Harel only as a nickname).

 

 

Edit:

Here!

 

https://youtu.be/QbL107_DgJE?t=252

Wait... I've confused myself (not hard these days). It's implied in that response that she did lay with Solas and he was being truthful about his intentions (no false pretenses) and that it wasn't "the Dread Wolf" per say... ugh, I think I need a break!

[Tanyara]

It was bears are sacred to him, but the ravens work for him, so he's represented by the ravens. But I mean, if Andruil gets Hawks and Hares might as well let Dirthamen have Ravens and Bears.

 

True Was it ever confirmed that the bear paintings (embracing a white lady with halla horns) were depictions of Dirthamen, or is that still a mystery?

[FernRain]

True Was it ever confirmed that the bear paintings (embracing a white lady with halla horns) were depictions of Dirthamen, or is that still a mystery?

 

I don't think it was ever confirmed. It's apparently Ferelden art and appears along with these:

 

Spoiler

 

I like to think it's Dirthamen and Ghilan'nain.

 

I still want to know why Solas' is carrying a halla staff in his tarot..

[Shari'El]

 

 

I'm listening in loopsssss

(It happens everytime I see this video)

 

I wonder if after DA4 there would be a version of "Solas, No!".

[Sable Rhapsody]

Huh.  Just got issued my first forum warning point.  It's like losing your BSN virginity

 

 

Wait... I've confused myself (not hard these days). It's implied in that response that she did lay with Solas and he was being truthful about his intentions (no false pretenses) and that it wasn't "the Dread Wolf" per say... ugh, I think I need a break!

 

The dialogue is a bit unclear, but it can be interpreted one of two ways.  If you headcanon that they slept together, then Solas means that he didn't sleep with you as the Dread Wolf to trick you; he slept with you because he loved you, as Solas, and he was truthful about his feelings.  If you headcanon that they didn't sleep together, then the line is his rationale explaining why.