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I think we're on the denial portion of the Solas thread :P He obviously cares about Lavellan, yes, but he's been rather distant from her still even when he's with her. The confirmation that they didn't bang is another sign, and if your guy doesn't want to sleep with you but you're in a committed relationship, it isn't because he's an asexual. 9 times out of 10 something is wrong, and in this case that obviously is true.


Always find this perspective odd and interesting. I never had the impression that they weren't sleeping together. Maybe it's the choices I made. My impression was always the opposite because they seemed really into each other and joked about it etc... I never interpreted anything they said in Trespasser as confirmation of anything other than a 100 percent all-in emotional and physical relationship. I guess this demonstrates how open ended they left it for players.
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Regarding the did they/ didn't they question, Patrick Weekes said that he very specifically wanted each player to come to their own conclusions about it. I wish I had the source, if I remember I will post it. I do believe it was a podcast.

The "I did not lay with you under false pretences" could mean either "that is why I did not lay with you" OR "I legitimately love you, I was not lying about that, sleeping together was an act of legitimate love."

Also-- this whole "abusive" conversation is really frustrating. The best thing about Bioware-- and the best thing about Solas for that matter is that all the characters are so complicated-- like real people. There is no black and white. Solas is a character that defines "grey area" and to cast him, and Lavellan's relationship in such a simplistic light is going against the basal elements of the character.

He did some shady things-- for reasons he thought were good-- and obviously feels awful about them.

That is what makes this character so absolutely astounding. Yes, there will be reams of people who fan over him because he's handsome and has a great voice/motion actor. But there is so so so SO much more to this character that it feels like... Are people just missing the point?

Solas was a pride spirit who was summoned and bound by Mythal (I was Solas first, Fen'Harel came later.) He was given the insult name of Fen'Harel-- not as much of "wolf" and more of "dog." It was an insult calling him her guard dog. He is desperately loyal to her because he is bound to her, but at the same time is resentful and pushes for freedom. This is why he is willing to walk away from Lavellan even though it shattered him, because his loyalty is first and foremost to Mythal. He's her puppy.

This is why he gets so mad if you drink from the well of sorrows "now you are bound!" And why he reacts so explosively to his friend being summoned and corrupted, (taking an entity and forcing it to be outside of its nature) because that is what happened to him.

The layers of this character go deeper and deeper still -- so much to explore and think of. To be caught up on "he was a bad boyfriend" is actually really disappointing IMO... Because all of the brilliance of Solas' character is lost to a minor aspect.

But it is so neat to find people here who see all this about him, and I love reading all the thoughtful things most people have to say.
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The thread is so quiet this morning. o.O



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Cheers :)

I tried to register on AO3 but I am in a queue  :angry:.

I suppose I have more time to review how the writing is coming along. This thread will be my doom, truly.

First, it made me acknowledge that having a semi-crush on a game character was all right (even though through my PC eyes, not... really that personal, uhm.); than it made me resume drawing, it made me read fanfics for the very first time in my life and like it, and now... now I am trying to type one myself.

 

Doom. Doom, indeed. :D  :wub:  :D

 

Okay - here's the NPC mods I have in my game:

 

Spoiler

 

I also use a Leliana one that makes her closer to how she looks in my modded DAO, but I can't remember where I got it from (it's part of a bigger mod and I just grabbed the Leliana file).  I can also provide a list of really good armour mods.

 

Now I'm off to play DA2.



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Regarding the did they/ didn't they question, Patrick Weekes said that he very specifically wanted each player to come to their own conclusions about it. I wish I had the source, if I remember I will post it. I do believe it was a podcast.

The "I did not lay with you under false pretences" could mean either "that is why I did not lay with you" OR "I legitimately love you, I was not lying about that, sleeping together was an act of legitimate love."

Also-- this whole "abusive" conversation is really frustrating. The best thing about Bioware-- and the best thing about Solas for that matter is that all the characters are so complicated-- like real people. There is no black and white. Solas is a character that defines "grey area" and to cast him, and Lavellan's relationship in such a simplistic light is going against the basal elements of the character.

He did some shady things-- for reasons he thought were good-- and obviously feels awful about them.

That is what makes this character so absolutely astounding. Yes, there will be reams of people who fan over him because he's handsome and has a great voice/motion actor. But there is so so so SO much more to this character that it feels like... Are people just missing the point?

Solas was a pride spirit who was summoned and bound by Mythal (I was Solas first, Fen'Harel came later.) He was given the insult name of Fen'Harel-- not as much of "wolf" and more of "dog." It was an insult calling him her guard dog. He is desperately loyal to her because he is bound to her, but at the same time is resentful and pushes for freedom. This is why he is willing to walk away from Lavellan even though it shattered him, because his loyalty is first and foremost to Mythal. He's her puppy.

This is why he gets so mad if you drink from the well of sorrows "now you are bound!" And why he reacts so explosively to his friend being summoned and corrupted, (taking an entity and forcing it to be outside of its nature) because that is what happened to him.

The layers of this character go deeper and deeper still -- so much to explore and think of. To be caught up on "he was a bad boyfriend" is actually really disappointing IMO... Because all of the brilliance of Solas' character is lost to a minor aspect.

But it is so neat to find people here who see all this about him, and I love reading all the thoughtful things most people have to say.

 

As much as I like this theory, it is just that, a theory, claiming it as fact doesn't help anyone.

 

All of that could very well be why he acts the way he does in certain situations and feels the way he does about certain things, but we don't know anything yet.


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Solas was a pride spirit who was summoned and bound by Mythal (I was Solas first, Fen'Harel came later.) He was given the insult name of Fen'Harel-- not as much of "wolf" and more of "dog." It was an insult calling him her guard dog. He is desperately loyal to her because he is bound to her, but at the same time is resentful and pushes for freedom. This is why he is willing to walk away from Lavellan even though it shattered him, because his loyalty is first and foremost to Mythal. He's her puppy.
This is why he gets so mad if you drink from the well of sorrows "now you are bound!" And why he reacts so explosively to his friend being summoned and corrupted, (taking an entity and forcing it to be outside of its nature) because that is what happened to him.
The layers of this character go deeper and deeper still -- so much to explore and think of. To be caught up on "he was a bad boyfriend" is actually really disappointing IMO... Because all of the brilliance of Solas' character is lost to a minor aspect.
But it is so neat to find people here who see all this about him, and I love reading all the thoughtful things most people have to say.



Totally agree that there is sooooo much more to him than his romance options.

As for the rest of your post that I'm quoting here...is this your theory?

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Totally agree that there is sooooo much more to him than his romance options.

As for the rest of your post that I'm quoting here...is this your theory?

 

It's a theory based on dialouge from Cole seemingly referring to Solas being summoned by Mythal.  Since the dialouge only uses pronouns ('she' summoned 'him') it's just a theory, but it's a good one.


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It would be a twist indeed if Solas was summoned by Andruil or something instead.

 

Given the whole tied to a tree story.

 

Doubt it, but BW could mess with us on that one.



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Art art art

 

Fade Kissed

http://moonprincess-...ellan-565199498

 

This Love

http://grievousgirl....-Love-565251037

 

The Dread Wolf

http://dragonfoot455...e-sky-565264733

 

Dreamers

http://chenria.devia...ilers-565330972

 

 

 

And this has nothing to do with Solas...but look how beautiful Jose is in this render.

http://just-jasper.d...lcony-565040321


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And this has nothing to do with Solas...but look how beautiful Jose is in this render.

http://just-jasper.d...lcony-565040321

This render. Oh come one! How people do that! I mean, I went to see other stuff and saw this Anders.

http://blanchedr.dev...rders-565164789

Suddenly I need him to have glasses in DA2.

 

To be on topic: I also saw this Solavellan cosplay and I can't. Solas' face  :lol:

http://www.deviantar...splay-507528536


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As much as I like this theory, it is just that, a theory, claiming it as fact doesn't help anyone.

 

All of that could very well be why he acts the way he does in certain situations and feels the way he does about certain things, but we don't know anything yet.

 

 

I said that the did/they didn't they is a fact.

 

 

The whole bit about being a pride spirit summoned by Mythal is just my personal theory-- I never said that was a fact.  Pretty solid, IMO, but my theory. I apologize that I did not clarify between stating a fact and my personal option, since they were both in the same post. (Also, this would explain why the depictions of Fen'Harel have multiple eyes-- the only other creatures with eyes like that I can remember are the Pride demons.)

 

 

 

 

Ramification - Yes. ^^^ I am still looking for the podcast where Weekes says that he intentionally wanted each player to decide if Solas and Lavellan slept together.


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I agree on both counts. It helps that I played my Lavellan close to 40 and certainly experienced about things in the world, but it felt like a decent bit of headcanon had to be in place to play one as being young and shy or inexperienced. Even my much younger Adaar didn't come across as naive by way of the game.

 

I guess with the romance and all the warnings Solas gave, someone could have their character being young and not experienced enough to recognize the clear signs in the face of new love, but it's just as likely they could be like mine -- yep, things might not end well, but that's fine. Let's have what we can anyway. It's worth the eventual (inevitable) end.

Yep. The Inquisitor gave off a mature vibe to me as well and I played her as late 30s. To be honest, it's difficult for me to head cannon Solas falling for someone very young.



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Wait...

 

 

Alistair?
 

Oh yes. Mostly from an emotionally abusive standpoint, about how he pressures the Warden into a relationship (Apparently people get the impression that he flirts with you even if you don't show any interest in him? I feel like this was just the wonky romance trigger system in Origins) and never shows any concern for her, uses his terrible life to guilt her into staying, and since he dumps you to be king, or if you save Loghain, he obviously never cared for you and was just using you the entire time. 

 

It's stretching, yeah, but I've seen worse. I read a tumblr rant once about how Solas doesn't care about anything Lavellan thinks or feels and only wants to hear her agree with him. The ranter's evidence? He gives you approval if you agree with his opinions. And it's like - everyone gives you approval if you agree with their opinions. By that logic, every romance except Josie's and Cullen's is a wreck. 

 

Sometimes the lengths people will go to in order to demonize a character they don't like just baffle me.



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I know this post is 6 pages old but I wanted to chip in.

 

Two years ago my boyfriend and I adopted two kittens from a shelter (two brothers), we named them Chai & Chili.

When adopting from this shelter they had us sign a form that makes us oblige to have the adopted animals neutered when they're old enough.

We put a ton of love when we cared for them, two months in when they were 3 months the shelter's asked us to come to have them castrated, we were supposed to put them in the morning and take them home in the afternoon.

On that day, my boyfriend came along with a friend (to help him carry two cages), needless to say - he returned home with only one.

I remember the phone call, he called me to tell me Chili died (he was just laying in the cage, nobody even noticed he stopped breathing), at first I thought he was joking, how could a cat die from castration? The postmortem operation made it clear that there was a problem with his heart and it just stopped, it was unclear whether he was sensitive to the anesthetic (that's what they say at the shelter) or over-dosed (he was treated by a junior). I was MAD and utterly devastated.

Would I have done anything different if I had known it would end this way? Yes, I would've taken him to my veterinarian, or outright refuse to have him neutered. If it was a heart flaw or sensitivity then it probably would've killed him later in life, either way, I never regretted adopting him, even if my heart broke.

I loved him, he was happy. He had a good life, even if was really short.

After his death we adopted a new cat, so Chai wouldn't be alone (it was a hard thing to do, because we didn't want to just replace him, he was our child), her name is Cheetah. She is originally from the street, a week into her adoption we had to take her to the vet, she couldn't control her bladder. After the second appointment the vet noticed her heavy breathing and offered a scan, after the scan she was diagnosed with hiatus hernia, apparently she was involved in a car accident when she was on the streets. We were offered to take a chance and make her go under the knife and to repair her hernia. I was scared I'll lose another cat, when I agreed to pay 500$+ on a surgery for a kitten I owned for a week+ people were shocked, the vet himself was shocked because he said her chances were low. She survived, because I didn't give up on her, two years later and she lives happily with Chai in our household. The death of Chili still stings, even after two years, but it gave us the opportunity to save another cat, people kept saying how lucky she is that she got to us because other people would've given up on her.

 

The idea of not adopting an animal just because they were sick, it really bothered me, so I felt compelled to write this long-ish post.

It doesn't matter if they are dying, adopting them gives them a shot at saving them, and if not that, at least live happily with the time left to them.

 

I love this post. and <3 you for posting it.  My friends wonder why I would ever subject myself to it, but I've mentioned a few times that I'd love to just adopt old dogs (even special needs/ill) and shower them with care and love in their final years. Dogs like the one I read about, age 15, abandoned for being old and basically sitting in a shelter all scared and depressed. I'd need more money for care and also to move into a pets-allowed place. But to me, it would be both heartbreaking and wonderful.

 

 


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Go Team Frakkin' Optimism!!! :wizard:

 

:) <3


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It's becoming slightly more feelsy than I intended.

 

Anyone want me to post it when it's done?

 

You, post or I will unleash the cute headbutts again. :P <3

 

 

 

 

(No, really, but do it)


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I know this is totally offtopic, but I am writing the first meetup of my OC with Solas, and while putting my youngest one to sleep, rocking her on my chest, I was going through my sparse music on PC and found this.

I used to love it.

And I think it does a bit fit the discussion about Solas romance spanning over the last few pages.

 


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My turn to share some art. :D

 

Trespasser: Lavellan only has one question. ;)

Spoiler

 

Some Solas and Lavellan fluff of them on the couch. 

 

Solas and Lavellan kissing (with a bit of tongue btw)

 

Solas and Lavellan riding a hart.

 

Solavellan kissing in the rain.

 

"Ir abelas, ma vhenan." (Solavellan.)

 

Solavellan for Inktober.

 

How To Find Solas. A little comic someone on Tumblr did starring my Lavellan and Leliana.

She did ask my permission to draw my Lavellan but I didn't expect she'd make a comic out of it so I was a little surprised.

Also, my Lavellan seems a bit angry here, which was also a bit unexpected but oh well. xD

 

A lovely Solas artwork for Inktober.

 

Another Solas for Inktober.

 

Dragon Age boyfriends. (Alistair, Fenris, and Solas.)

 

Painted elf, lyrium elf, and freckled elf.

 

Sera and Lavellan having fun with the mural of the ancient elf with buns of steel. :lol:

Blackwall taking a photo (don't ask why he has a camera phone) with Solas being unimpressed.


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Oh yes. Mostly from an emotionally abusive standpoint, about how he pressures the Warden into a relationship (Apparently people get the impression that he flirts with you even if you don't show any interest in him? I feel like this was just the wonky romance trigger system in Origins) and never shows any concern for her, uses his terrible life to guilt her into staying, and since he dumps you to be king, or if you save Loghain, he obviously never cared for you and was just using you the entire time. 

 

It's stretching, yeah, but I've seen worse. I read a tumblr rant once about how Solas doesn't care about anything Lavellan thinks or feels and only wants to hear her agree with him. The ranter's evidence? He gives you approval if you agree with his opinions. And it's like - everyone gives you approval if you agree with their opinions. By that logic, every romance except Josie's and Cullen's is a wreck. 

 

Sometimes the lengths people will go to in order to demonize a character they don't like just baffle me.

 

What.

 

This is reminding me of an infamous Firefly essay in which the author claimed that Zoe and Wash's relationship was abusive because Wash was white and found his wife attractive.

 

I know this post is 6 pages old but I wanted to chip in.

 

Two years ago my boyfriend and I adopted two kittens from a shelter (two brothers), we named them Chai & Chili.

When adopting from this shelter they had us sign a form that makes us oblige to have the adopted animals neutered when they're old enough.

We put a ton of love when we cared for them, two months in when they were 3 months the shelter's asked us to come to have them castrated, we were supposed to put them in the morning and take them home in the afternoon.

On that day, my boyfriend came along with a friend (to help him carry two cages), needless to say - he returned home with only one.

I remember the phone call, he called me to tell me Chili died (he was just laying in the cage, nobody even noticed he stopped breathing), at first I thought he was joking, how could a cat die from castration? The postmortem operation made it clear that there was a problem with his heart and it just stopped, it was unclear whether he was sensitive to the anesthetic (that's what they say at the shelter) or over-dosed (he was treated by a junior). I was MAD and utterly devastated.

Would I have done anything different if I had known it would end this way? Yes, I would've taken him to my veterinarian, or outright refuse to have him neutered. If it was a heart flaw or sensitivity then it probably would've killed him later in life, either way, I never regretted adopting him, even if my heart broke.

I loved him, he was happy. He had a good life, even if was really short.

After his death we adopted a new cat, so Chai wouldn't be alone (it was a hard thing to do, because we didn't want to just replace him, he was our child), her name is Cheetah. She is originally from the street, a week into her adoption we had to take her to the vet, she couldn't control her bladder. After the second appointment the vet noticed her heavy breathing and offered a scan, after the scan she was diagnosed with hiatus hernia, apparently she was involved in a car accident when she was on the streets. We were offered to take a chance and make her go under the knife and to repair her hernia. I was scared I'll lose another cat, when I agreed to pay 500$+ on a surgery for a kitten I owned for a week+ people were shocked, the vet himself was shocked because he said her chances were low. She survived, because I didn't give up on her, two years later and she lives happily with Chai in our household. The death of Chili still stings, even after two years, but it gave us the opportunity to save another cat, people kept saying how lucky she is that she got to us because other people would've given up on her.

 

The idea of not adopting an animal just because they were sick, it really bothered me, so I felt compelled to write this long-ish post.

It doesn't matter if they are dying, adopting them gives them a shot at saving them, and if not that, at least live happily with the time left to them.

I love this post. and <3 you for posting it.  My friends wonder why I would ever subject myself to it, but I've mentioned a few times that I'd love to just adopt old dogs (even special needs/ill) and shower them with care and love in their final years. Dogs like the one I read about, age 15, abandoned for being old and basically sitting in a shelter all scared and depressed. I'd need more money for care and also to move into a pets-allowed place. But to me, it would be both heartbreaking and wonderful.

 

These are very important posts.  It's very important that old and sick animals find a home that can fill their days with happiness, no matter how short their life may be.

 

You, post or I will unleash the cute headbutts again. :P <3

 

 

 

 

(No, really, but do it)

 

I haven't written it yet!  I just have some ideas.



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So......here it is. Chapter 6 of my Zevellan crazy.

 

I don't know how necessary it is to warn about this, but there is implied gore I guess you could say in this chapter. So....yeah, I don't know if it actually needs a warning, but just thought I would say just in case.

 

Here.

 

I liked it. It's how Zevran would approach the situation to dispose of the evidence.

 

And I am convinced that Antivia is where coffee would come from. I also think of it as being a luxury which is why we don't see it mentioned in game. I think other than my own story yours is the first to even mention coffee that I've read. It's usually tea.


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Assquisitor Update (and Solas related!):

 

I was doing Solas' quest in the Hinterlands and I killed Mihris because, obviously, knife ears=bad.  Solas. Freaking. Approved.

 

Why eggman?  WHY?  WHY DID YOU APPROVE OF ASSQUISITOR CADASH DEMANDING THIS GIRL HAND OVER HER TREASURE?


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Assquisitor Update (and Solas related!):

 

I was doing Solas' quest in the Hinterlands and I killed Mihris because, obviously, knife ears=bad.  Solas. Freaking. Approved.

 

Why eggman?  WHY?  WHY DID YOU APPROVE OF ASSQUISITOR CADASH DEMANDING THIS GIRL HAND OVER HER TREASURE?

Some things are just meant to be... :D

 

 

Random thought: I would totally join the "Agents of Fen'Harel" if I could.


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Assquisitor Update (and Solas related!):

 

I was doing Solas' quest in the Hinterlands and I killed Mihris because, obviously, knife ears=bad.  Solas. Freaking. Approved.

 

Why eggman?  WHY?  WHY DID YOU APPROVE OF ASSQUISITOR CADASH DEMANDING THIS GIRL HAND OVER HER TREASURE?

 

Possibly because he knows exactly who Mirhris is? Best Elf should have killed her.


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Some things just aren't meant to be... :D

 

Cassandra Disapproved, though.  And she's already Greatly Disapproved of her too.


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What did Mirhris do in TME, briefly? Did she help summon you-know-who? If so, that might confirm Solas' sentiments towards it.