I understand being very angry for like a day when you're still in the game, but some people seem to be eternally angry. And even when I'm realllyyy angry, I never want to torture anyone. Kill yes, but not torture.
If there had been an option to slowly feed the Catalyst to a giant space Blast-Ended Skrewt, I would have taken it. Just sayin' 
Come to think of it, I might have taken that option for the Illusive Man too. It'd be a mercy. He didn't deserve to become a mustache-twirling moron.
Now thinking about Solas' sweater and what's underneath...
Lots of magic tattoos.
Lots of magic tattoos.
If there had been an option to slowly feed the Catalyst to a giant space Blast-Ended Skrewt, I would have taken it. Just sayin'
Come to think of it, I might have taken that option for the Illusive Man too. It'd be a mercy. He didn't deserve to become a mustache-twirling moron.
I'm all for some villain torture & bloody revenge, but the thing with Solas is that dude seems so tortured already. He already does not seem to really care about death and red lyrium corruption, because of the all-consuming guilt in his head.
Much better to hug him.
Tattoos under clothing?
We must be talking about Zevran now.
Actually, vallaslin aside, do you think Solas would ever have a tattoo? What and where would it be?
Can someone bring back that NO RAGRETS picture again?
I'm all for some villain torture & bloody revenge, but the thing with Solas is that dude seems so tortured already. He already does not seem to really care about death and red lyrium corruption, because of the all-consuming guilt in his head.
Much better to hug him.
Are we hugging him to help him feel better, or to make him feel worse? Because honestly, it's hard to tell sometimes with Solas 
Are we hugging him to help him feel better, or to make him feel worse? Because honestly, it's hard to tell sometimes with Solas
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Haha thanks heaps I'm not very good with this stuff lol never have been
No problem!
Solas played them for fools, most likely.
We discussed this briefly when killabee was around, but people tend not to like it when their PCs get the short end of the stick. Part of the escapism is that you are playing The Hero. You save the day, get the boy or girl, and ride off into the sunset on a unicorn. When that doesn't happen, and especially when someone like Solas or Anders gets the better of The Hero at the end, people get very personally offended. Like the perceived betrayal of their beloved PC applies to the player too.
It's obviously irrational, but I can see where it comes from.
I think that's part of why some people really hated Hawke and DA2, because that game really did operate under "reality ensues" rules and there wasn't really any happy endings a lot of the time, only the best outcome we could pick from a lot of equally bad options. People were frustrated at the lack of agency that they had as a player to do anything about it, so take it out on the characters instead.
Like the no-win situation in the end of Mark of the Assassin. It often seems that the annoyed train of thought goes;
"I couldn't take the list from Tallis"
"The game wouldn't let me take the list from Tallis"
"Hawke was an idiot for not taking the list from Tallis".
Which really, was more about the game failing to give us an option, rather than a failure of the character. We had no choice but to fail, much like how some people we just as annoyed that Shepard had no choice in the Arrival to destroy the Bahak System to delay the Reaper invasion.
I'm all for some villain torture & bloody revenge, but the thing with Solas is that dude seems so tortured already. He already does not seem to really care about death and red lyrium corruption, because of the all-consuming guilt in his head.
Much better to hug him.
This is where I default to. i can understand people feeling angry or betrayed, or played, but I see so many layers of pain and regret and stuck in the past and reluctant resignation that I only lament the lack of a "hug Solas" option.
Are we hugging him to help him feel better, or to make him feel worse? Because honestly, it's hard to tell sometimes with Solas
Both.
"I couldn't take the list from Tallis" morphs to "The game wouldn't let me take the list from Tallis" to "Hawke was an idiot for not taking the list from Tallis".
Thank you for illustrating this phenomenon much more eloquently than I did
Although I would argue that things like not being able to take the list from Tallis and not being able to stop Anders fall into a different category than, say, not being able to root out Solas's spies. Anders and Tallis were obvious threats, and the PC could not take the obvious actions to stop them. The game just put up an invisible wall. IMO that's the ineffective kind of railroading, because the player can see the tracks, and inevitably fights tooth-and-nail against them.
Solas's spies are IMO a different situation, because you only know he's a threat in hindsight. Yes, I can see how that would breed feelings of resentment and betrayal from players. But there are no actions quizzy could have taken, because quizzy didn't even know who Solas was let alone the kind of threat he posed. This is the effective kind of railroading--you're on the tracks, but you can't see them until you reach your destination.
See?!? Sable stole them all...
Dagna: Hmm...but if you tie a slice of buttered toast to a cat--
Sera: You're daft.
Two hours later:
Public Safety officer: Miss, care to explain why you were found in the engineering building after hours with a toaster, memory foam, and your PI's cat?
Dagna: ...science?
I can imagine Viv cooking about as well as I can imagine her adopting a kitten. Which is to say, 404 brain error.
OK, now I need more of the cast to be in this grad student AU. Varric was Dorian and Solas's RA back in undergrad. He didn't stick around for his MFA, because who needs that when you're raking in money writing crime serials and terrible romances? Occasionally he invites them over for dinner because 1) they need to eat like civilized people once a month and 2) he subjects Bartrand to a pair of precocious, wayward manchildren
And omg DAGNA. Dagna, the star of the engineering school, who has scholarships coming out of her ears but can't keep from lighting her own apartment on fire. Who's basically like the guys who founded the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, except short and adorable. Her poor PI's given her separate lab space so he doesn't have to deal with the headache from health and safety.
See! Sable stole them all...
But I just gave one back to you from the monster hoard!
I mean, I'm not even sure if he'd be capable of hating her since she is possibly as insufferable as he was at the same age, even if she manages to be so in a completely different way. He later discovers that despite appearances, she's tops her class in chemistry (tempest specialisation).
I think you're right; a younger Solas wouldn't necessarily be friendly to Sera, but he'd be a lot less judgmental of her and perhaps capable of grudging respect. A lot of his attitude toward her in DA:I has to do with his old man not-my-people grump.
Maybe the advisors can be the grown-ups. Leliana and Josie are academic advisors--the scary one and the nice one, respectively Cullen is the poor public safety officer who gets calls at 2 AM for everything from "There's a weird purple fire in the lab!" (Dagna) to "There's a spider in my room and neither of my housemates are here!" (Dorian)
But I just gave one back to you from the monster hoard!
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Anyone noticed that halla sound quite a lot like creepy laughing children?
I was just passing a herd on Exalted Plains and I heard those creepy, quiet giggles and I was like "What was that? Are there ghosts of murdered children somewhere??? ....Oh, it's just the halla *gives it a second to rotate wheels in brain* THAT'S NOT ANY BETTER!!"
Oh, THAT's what that sound was?
Thank you for illustrating this phenomenon much more eloquently than I did
Although I would argue that things like not being able to take the list from Tallis and not being able to stop Anders fall into a different category than, say, not being able to root out Solas's spies. Anders and Tallis were obvious threats, and the PC could not take the obvious actions to stop them. The game just put up an invisible wall. IMO that's the ineffective kind of railroading, because the player can see the tracks, and inevitably fights tooth-and-nail against them.
Solas's spies are IMO a different situation, because you only know he's a threat in hindsight. Yes, I can see how that would breed feelings of resentment and betrayal from players. But there are no actions quizzy could have taken, because quizzy didn't even know who Solas was let alone the kind of threat he posed. This is the effective kind of railroading--you're on the tracks, but you can't see them until you reach your destination.
I think Anders appears far more dangerous in hindsight than when we first played the game, since while we knew that Anders was becoming more erratic and losing control more often as we got through the game, we didn't know just how crazy or militant he had become until he blew up the Chantry.
The railroading though was somewhat effective, since we did have the option to refuse to help him in his personal mission, leaving him to gather the gunpowder for the bomb and smuggle it into the Chantry by himself.
Another option is to help him at first, but then manage to convince him (with a high enough rivalry score, I believe) to stop what he's doing... only for Justice to assume control and forced him to carry out his plan anyway.
(Which is another reason why I blame Justice far more than Anders for what happened)
The Anders situation was better than Tallis, since at least we had some options or ability to deny helping him, rather than the Tallis situation, where we could object and then immediately decided to not bother six seconds later.
But I just gave one back to you from the monster hoard!
I think you're right; a younger Solas wouldn't necessarily be friendly to Sera, but he'd be a lot less judgmental of her and perhaps capable of grudging respect. A lot of his attitude toward her in DA:I has to do with his old man not-my-people grump.
Maybe the advisors can be the grown-ups. Leliana and Josie are academic advisors--the scary one and the nice one, respectively
Anyone noticed that halla sound quite a lot like creepy laughing children?
I was just passing a herd on Exalted Plains and I heard those creepy, quiet giggles and I was like "What was that? Are there ghosts of murdered children somewhere??? ....Oh, it's just the halla *gives it a second to rotate wheels in brain* THAT'S NOT ANY BETTER!!"
I kind of just wanted to park myself in the valley in Trespasser and hang out with the halla.
As a rogue player, in both instances where we encountered a golden halla, I had ever the slightest twinge of temptation but they both lived.
If Solas had a tattoo it would be of lavellan haha nah all jokes aside. If Solas had a tattoo I could see it being on his upper back and maybe descending into his upper arms. I think it would be a very detailed elven pattern but not like the vasllaslin, something from his time. I would love to see some of the tattoos from the time of ancient elves.Tattoos under clothing?
We must be talking about Zevran now.
Actually, vallaslin aside, do you think Solas would ever have a tattoo? What and where would it be?
If Solas had a tattoo it would be of lavellan haha nah all jokes aside. If Solas had a tattoo I could see it being on his upper back and maybe descending into his upper arms. I think it would be a very detailed elven pattern but not like the vasllaslin. I would love to see some of the tattoos from the time of ancient elves.
If Solas had a tattoo I could see it being on his upper back and maybe descending into his upper arms. I think it would be a very detailed elven pattern but not like the vasllaslin.
Someone should draw this 
I think Anders appears far more dangerous in hindsight than when we first played the game, since while we knew that Anders was becoming more erratic and losing control more often as we got through the game, we didn't know just how crazy or militant he had become until he blew up the Chantry.
The railroading though was somewhat effective, since we did have the option to refuse to help him in his personal mission, leaving him to gather the gunpowder for the bomb and smuggle it into the Chantry by himself.
Another option is to help him at first, but then manage to convince him (with a high enough rivalry score, I believe) to stop what he's doing... only for Justice to assume control and forced him to carry out his plan anyway.
(Which is another reason why I blame Justice far more than Anders for what happened)
The Anders situation was better than Tallis, since at least we had some options or ability to deny helping him, rather than the Tallis situation, where we could object and then immediately decided to not bother six seconds later.
That's why I always preferred a rivalry with Anders. It's far more apparent how much control he didn't actually have.
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