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[Cee]

Oh, Wolf's Rain.

 

[Arvaarad]

In DAI we learn that spirits become demons when twisted from their original purposes, could it be that that's what we're seeing in DA2? Cole, for example, is only able to "develop" when he becomes human, if he stays a spirit, he remains Compassion and little else. Maybe they were trying to emphasize the differences between spirits and humans in DA2?

 

Ooooo, Justice. This is a topic I could go on for ages.

 

Here's my basic theory about what happened. There were two major problems Justice exposed himself to by choosing Anders, specifically, as a host.

1. Anders is a Warden, and has blighted blood.
2. Anders is fun-loving and carefree. This is, perhaps, the bigger problem.

So the first problem is pretty straightforward. Spirits are more sensitive to lyrium's song, it stands to reason they're more sensitive to corruption by red lyrium and/or the Blight. Justice is double-dipping on this problem. Not only is he riding on Anders, he's also in close proximity to both Corypheus and the red lyrium idol.

 

Okay, so what about #2? Seems like it should have the opposite effect, right? A calming effect? But here's the deal. I'd argue that if Justice had inhabited (say) Velanna, he'd be much less prone to corruption. In Velanna's Awakening arc, she begins as a vengeful, hot-headed person that slowly learns to master and control this urge for vengeance. She's confronted it head-on and learned how to deal with those thoughts.

 

Anders, by contrast, has had no practice dealing with too much duty. If anything, he's had the opposite problem. Some part of him knows, distantly, that he should care more about other mages, that he should be more involved, so when Justice needs a new host, he's eager to help. "Maybe," he thinks, "this spirit of Justice will help me take responsibility and become a better man." So Justice hops on board. And instead of tempering Justice's impulses, he leans into them even harder. He doubts himself and his irresponsible streak, so he overcorrects.

 

In addition, he's never really spent time thinking about what "justice" and "vengeance" mean, as concepts. Never really developed the nuanced views of someone like, for example, Aveline. He's never had a reason to. As a result, his definition of "justice" is half-formed and primitive, and Justice changes to match. This issue is compounded when they both spend time in Kirkwall, seeing example after example of justice perverted. The guard is bought. The city's government is corrupt. The Chantry stirs war to drive out the heretics. The tower is the harshest in Thedas.

 

When a spirit becomes confused about the definition of a word, they don't have any objective truth to point toward. "If you expect a spirit of wisdom to be a pride demon, it will adapt." You could take that to mean "I expect to see a pride demon, so the spirit turns itself into a pride demon," but, as Solas might say, I believe it's more complicated than that.

 

If what you call "wisdom" is actually arrogance, the wisdom spirit will model arrogance, believing that it's still a wisdom spirit. After all, it matches this mortal's definition of "wisdom".

 

So if Kirkwall calls this "justice", then this - this spiral of neverending violence - this is what justice must be. And Justice changes himself to suit.

[Jayla]

 

THE SAD VERSION OF THIS (spoiler because blood):

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[Cee]

Well, I was already crying over something unrelated. Might as well open and look at what I already knew was under there. I wonder if I should wreck my feelings and rewatch that series.

 

Now, i think, for Agents of SHIELD to set a different mood.

[The Lone Shadow]

THE SAD VERSION OF THIS (spoiler because blood):

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[The Lone Shadow]

[The Lone Shadow]

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More Solas hugs

 

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[Tess]

I tried to romance him now (my first PT of DA2 I am in), but he said something along "Oh no, not a good idea, I'll break your heart", so I sat up straight on my chair and replied to the screen, :"Hell no. Not going through that again. Smell you later!"

Then Fenris came and I decided to go for him purely for his voice. Meh. Zevran - Fenris - Solas. I suck, sometimes. 

[Cee]

Anders flashes a huge "don't" sign, but I went for it anyway. And there is a sweet side of the whole thing too, even with all the tragic parts.

[roselavellan]

Ooooo, Justice. This is a topic I could go on for ages.

 

Here's my basic theory about what happened. There were two major problems Justice exposed himself to by choosing Anders, specifically, as a host.

1. Anders is a Warden, and has blighted blood.
2. Anders is fun-loving and carefree. This is, perhaps, the bigger problem.

So the first problem is pretty straightforward. Spirits are more sensitive to lyrium's song, it stands to reason they're more sensitive to corruption by red lyrium and/or the Blight. Justice is double-dipping on this problem. Not only is he riding on Anders, he's also in close proximity to both Corypheus and the red lyrium idol.

 

Okay, so what about #2? Seems like it should have the opposite effect, right? A calming effect? But here's the deal. I'd argue that if Justice had inhabited (say) Velanna, he'd be much less prone to corruption. In Velanna's Awakening arc, she begins as a vengeful, hot-headed person that slowly learns to master and control this urge for vengeance. She's confronted it head-on and learned how to deal with those thoughts.

 

Anders, by contrast, has had no practice dealing with too much duty. If anything, he's had the opposite problem. Some part of him knows, distantly, that he should care more about other mages, that he should be more involved, so when Justice needs a new host, he's eager to help. "Maybe," he thinks, "this spirit of Justice will help me take responsibility and become a better man." So Justice hops on board. And instead of tempering Justice's impulses, he leans into them even harder. He doubts himself and his irresponsible streak, so he overcorrects.

 

In addition, he's never really spent time thinking about what "justice" and "vengeance" mean, as concepts. Never really developed the nuanced views of someone like, for example, Aveline. He's never had a reason to. As a result, his definition of "justice" is half-formed and primitive, and Justice changes to match. This issue is compounded when they both spend time in Kirkwall, seeing example after example of justice perverted. The guard is bought. The city's government is corrupt. The Chantry stirs war to drive out the heretics. The tower is the harshest in Thedas.

 

When a spirit becomes confused about the definition of a word, they don't have any objective truth to point toward. "If you expect a spirit of wisdom to be a pride demon, it will adapt." You could take that to mean "I expect to see a pride demon, so the spirit turns itself into a pride demon," but, as Solas might say, I believe it's more complicated than that.

 

If what you call "wisdom" is actually arrogance, the wisdom spirit will model arrogance, believing that it's still a wisdom spirit. After all, it matches this mortal's definition of "wisdom".

 

So if Kirkwall calls this "justice", then this - this spiral of neverending violence - this is what justice must be. And Justice changes himself to suit.

 

Thanks for explaining that (I've played Awakening and only read up on DA2 but now I'm tempted to play DA2!). So that actually sounds like it would be practically impossible for spirit possessions to remain true to their original form/intention. After all, human perceptions are always complex, there are always grey areas in the interpretation of any concept, whether its justice/vengeance or something else. So it seems that you would need someone whose personality very strongly corresponds to the nature of the spirit possessing them, otherwise the spirit would be corrupted. Perhaps true spirit possessions are very rare then, I can think of Wynne and no one else.

 

But then what about Flemeth and Mythal? At the time Mythal was invited into Flemeth's body, Flemeth was driven by vengeance. Are the elven gods somehow different? I know many have hypothesized that Solas was a wisdom/pride spirit, but somehow I see the natures of Solas and Mythal as being far more complex than just wisdom/pride and justice/vengeance. Did he start as a wisdom spirit and evolve? Or did he start as something more?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Anders flashes a huge "don't" sign, but I went for it anyway. And there is a sweet side of the whole thing too, even with all the tragic parts.

I just blithely push past the "don't" signs and red flags nowadays. I feel like they don't even mean the same thing to me any more. Anders says "I'll hurt you," Solas says "This could lead to trouble," and I think, "Oooh! An angsty challenge!" 

 

...probably a good thing that I'm basically an old married lady IRL.

[NeverlandHunter]

 

idk, this is perhaps more a gripe with the writing than anything else, but I honestly think Justice's characterisation wasn't done justice (heh) in DA2.
 
In DA:A we get to meet a spirit who becomes gradually more curious and more affected by the mortal world. He grows from the pure essence of justice, to embodying that ideal in a dead man, as something now to aspire to in the flesh, to a much more complicated spirit who is concerned with ideas like 'love' which were beyond his reach or interest before. He finds purpose in remaining in the physical world, and begins to adjust to addressing justice in a radically different manner. In short, Justice, despite the supposedly simplicity of his nature, is actually a very complicated character who undergoes a lot of interesting development. He is neither good or bad.
 
In DA2, a lot of those nuances... are erased. We never think of Justice as a whole person, someone who once was an end to themselves, nothing more or less. Instead, we're encouraged to see him as a parasitic influence on Anders. Justice only emerges fully during great times of stress or anxiety or panic for Anders - usually, inopportune moments, where Justice is presented with conflict and acts accordingly. Because of that context, we don't get the same sense of... fullness of his character, we only access him at those moments. We never, for instance, get to talk to Justice about what it is like living in a world so full of injustice which he is powerless to change. As a warden (of sorts), and a follower of the warden commander, Justice had a much clearer goal to envision, with greater ability to act it - i.e. killing darkspawn is not something anyone will object to, it's much easier to view the blight in terms of black and white, as just or injust. That must have been stressful and difficult for Justice as well. Anders blames himself for bringing this on him, but I don't think he appreciates the kind of autonomy Justice had before either - this was as much Justice's decision (and we never get to interrogate him, or see his side of the story). Justice is seen in terms of his negative influence on Anders, and very rarely seen on his own terms.
 
I also take issue with blaming Justice for a few other reasons.
1. Firstly, I think it shifts the blame away from Anders in a way that doesn't credit him as having the resolve, the dedication, the lack of compassion, or whatever you want to call it etc. to go through with his plan. I think that's detrimental to Anders' character, it makes him more passive in this process, and perhaps in turn means the game fails to realise one of its most interesting points: ordinary people can make, break, and change the world.
2. I think given that Anders is coded as mentally-ill during the game - Helper says he's bi-polar - I think there's often a temptation to view Anders as 'himself' and Justice as 'the illness', which alongside giving a misleading portrait given that the two aren't always separable, it also implies that Anders' own mental illness, the part of himself that wasn't truly him, is the reason he blew up the chantry. It leads to some nasty ableist conclusions - Anders was crazy, Anders was ill, Anders was sick in the head, he did this horrible thing because of it. That conclusion inaccurate: in game, Anders justifies his actions based not on desperation, or panic, but in reason: the chantry wasn't going to budge, it was logical to destroy it, if you didn't value the lives of people within it. In reality, perfectly mentally healthy people can often do despicable things, and mentally ill people are more often victims of those actions than perpetrators.
 
In short, I think had Justice been given more of a voice, more of a presence, DA2 could have been a much more nuanced and interesting game.
 
 
I could see a geometric pattern or something which was mathematically calculated as 'beautiful', perhaps involving the golden ratio somehow. also it'd be super damn hot oh my god someone please draw this.

Well put Shallow waters!

 

This might not be a well received opinion, but I think Anders was the one that corrupted Justice, and not the other way around. 

It is people who corrupt spirits and before their merging Justice was a moral and rational being. It was Anders's conflicting feelings of doubt and hate that would of changed Justice, twisted his view of the world. Think about it in terms of motivation. Justice wasn't on some special mission for mages, his justice was given out to everyone who needed it. Anders on the other-hand had that connection to the mages and when he took on Justice it caused Justice's viewpoints and motivations to change.

 

I might be more willing to acknowledge it as an equally disastrous move on both of their parts, but a) I'm still bitter at Anders and will throw blame at him whenever possible and It really, really does bother me that Justice is seen as the illness that is corrupting Anders and never the other way around. Anders was lax about mage issues before DA2 and you can say that he changed when Justice became one with him, but I think the seeds were sown when Justice spoke to him about it. I don't think it would be a stretch to think that Anders could of been heading down the same path regardless of Justice, while Justice would have had no motivation to specifically target the mage cause if not for Anders.

 

People do want to take the blame away from Anders, especially with the rival path, and Anders himself may have bitten off more than he could chew with Justice, but just because Anders might be a victim of the circumstances he is (only for the rival path, I say pheh to the friend path. He knew what he was doing) in it doesn't automatically mean that Justice is the perpetrator. 

 

Perhaps the most reasonable way to see it is that Anders corrupted Justice into Vengeance and Vengeance coerced rival path Anders into what he became or Vengeance inspired friend path Anders into what he became.

 

The question is, how would your Warden react to what Anders and Justice became if s/he met them after what happened in Kirkwall?

I posted this a month ago..
 

 
The Dalish camp seems to have been upgraded in a patch.

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There are now larger halla and bigger aravals outside the camp .

 

And haha what the- There's a dead inquisition scout in their halla cave.. Alright then..

 

Perhaps the Fereldan halla are a subspecies? They evolved extra large to fend off werewolf attacks! 

That's a crazy size difference though! Why not just make the harts halla?

[Janic99]

Oh damn T_T my anders post was removed because I blank cursed.

Okay. I will use some cute words then  XD

anyways I said:
''Talking about anders.. -lays on the bed writing with a phone- I tried to romance him on my second playthrough and made my hawke to "run away" with him. Lol. I still preferred Fenris tho. The reason I did not like Anders was that as a character he changed a lot from Dao and it was so sad though I get it.. The main reason though was that continuous whining about the mages. Gosh.. Everytime he opened his mouth it was always something about them so I totally agreed with hawke's dear butthole <-- is this allowed? (I am only kidding when I say it) brother ''

I hope I did not offend anyone Do these warning come if someone reports or how? I have never got one before..    and I know I have the bad habit to curse a lot... I should stop T_T

 

I tried to romance him now (my first PT of DA2 I am in), but he said something along "Oh no, not a good idea, I'll break your heart", so I sat up straight on my chair and replied to the screen, :"Hell no. Not going through that again. Smell you later!"

Then Fenris came and I decided to go for him purely for his voice. Meh. Zevran - Fenris - Solas. I suck, sometimes.

haha! I knew what would happen cause I had romanced Fenris before so I just wanted to try it out but I totally preferred Fenris.

My romance went more like Alistair (with elf and he dumped me), Fenris, Solas

I just could not go with Zevran. Zev is funny but he was not my type at all and Alistair's awkwardness was just adorable.

[NeverlandHunter]

I agree that Anders himself holds the Chantry with contempt and so a lot of the negative feelings about it are clearly his, so we know that he does have that part of him that would to see every Templar and Chantry burn, which he even joked about in Awakening.

 

Justice as a seperate entity would only see the injustice the mages suffer at the hands of the Templars with a clincal detachment, as a problem that he would feel compelled by his nature to resolve as best as he could. Merged with Anders however, we can see several times that Justice has an utter loathing and contempt towards the Templars, which clearly is something he's drawn from Anders.

 

I probably was wrong to say that I blame Justice more than Anders for what happen, since it's obvious both were responsible. A better way to put it would be to say that Justice was the metaphorical spark that lit the dynamite that was Anders.

 

We repeatedly saw in Awakening in their conversations that Justice does not believe in idly sitting by when someone can do something, while Anders was content to merely run away from conflict or his problems every single chance he got. Anders lacked any motivation or agency until his merger with Justice, which is what finally got him to put his money where his mouth was and become the change he wished to see in the world.

 

That doesn't mean that Justice giving Anders a sense of purpose and a good kick up the rear was a bad thing... only what both of them chose to do with it.

 

I guess that makes Justice indirectly responsible at best... which could be said to be just as much be true of the Warden-Commander, who recruited them both and taught them that sometimes victory requires doing whatever it takes.

 

But you're right, we needed the chance to hold some kind of conversation with Justice in DA2, that would have let us get his perspective and really fleshed out both the new iteration of his character and precisely what Anders and his fusion had done to both of them.

 

(And to get back on topic, would have been nice if Anders was still alive and/or Hawke romanced them, we could have had Hawke ask our two fade nerds on any advice or help to seperate the two of them? I suspect Cole or Solas could have had some great insights)

My Warden denies such allegations... no she will not be taking questions at this time. The Architect alive? She has no idea what you're talking about.

 

I doubt it's even possible at this point. They've been merged for more than a decade. I'm sure they're too deeply rooted to one another now. And even if it was possible what kind of results would it have? The Anders your Hawke fell in love with was VenAndersice (doubt that's gonna catch on XD), not Awakening's Anders. Anders even says that they're the same person they just struggle against one another the way we would struggle with our id, superego, and ego.

 

I just blithely push past the "don't" signs and red flags nowadays. I feel like they don't even mean the same thing to me any more. Anders says "I'll hurt you," Solas says "This could lead to trouble," and I think, "Oooh! An angsty challenge!" 

 

...probably a good thing that I'm basically an old married lady IRL.

How many romance options through out the Dragon Age series give you a warning by either saying "I'm no good for you", "this isn't a good idea", "this will end badly", or some other such nonsense?

A lot of them.

So I take those warnings like I do threats from enemies,

"Ha! I'm the hero! Nothing can stop me!"

A Solas romance later 

 "It wasn't supposed to be this way!"

*Sobs*

[Cee]

 

 

Well put Shallow waters!

 

This might not be a well received opinion, but I think Anders was the one that corrupted Justice, and not the other way around. 

It is people who corrupt spirits and before their merging Justice was a moral and rational being. It was Anders's conflicting feelings of doubt and hate that would of changed Justice, twisted his view of the world. Think about it in terms of motivation. Justice wasn't on some special mission for mages, his justice was given out to everyone who needed it. Anders on the other-hand had that connection to the mages and when he took on Justice it caused Justice's viewpoints and motivations to change.

 

I might be more willing to acknowledge it as an equally disastrous move on both of their parts, but a) I'm still bitter at Anders and will throw blame at him whenever possible and It really, really does bother me that Justice is seen as the illness that is corrupting Anders and never the other way around. Anders was lax about mage issues before DA2 and you can say that he changed when Justice became one with him, but I think the seeds were sown when Justice spoke to him about it. I don't think it would be a stretch to think that Anders could of been heading down the same path regardless of Justice, while Justice would have had no motivation to specifically target the mage cause if not for Anders.

 

People do want to take the blame away from Anders, especially with the rival path, and Anders himself may have bitten off more than he could chew with Justice, but just because Anders might be a victim of the circumstances he is (only for the rival path, I say pheh to the friend path. He knew what he was doing) in it doesn't automatically mean that Justice is the perpetrator. 

 

Perhaps the most reasonable way to see it is that Anders corrupted Justice into Vengeance and Vengeance coerced rival path Anders into what he became or Vengeance inspired friend path Anders into what he became.

 

 

 

I don't know how anyone could really say that Anders was lax about mage issues. Just because the story didn't go there in detail yet doesn't mean the roots weren't there. He did take on a more widespread mission later, but it wasn't like his experiences and escaping seven times and the losses he suffered, the abuse at the hands of the templars, the solitary confinement, the confinement in general, being taken from home,  it's not like any of this never motivated him at all before DA2. It's also not like he didn't know this was also happening to other mages. There were reasons he tried to escape and felt the way he did about the Chantry and the templars. Each of them gave the other something extra that they wanted, and in doing so, united. Each influenced the other, and in the case of Anders, it was not likely intentional, but he had suffered a lot and suppressed some of that pain and anger that made him vulnerable and Justice fed upon it. Anders kept a lot of pain and anger, and that affected and amplified what Justice was capable of and yes, led him to emerge as Vengeance.

 

There's valid criticism one can make about Anders, no doubt, but I'm an Anders-positive person who sees him as a more tragic figure and the whole final situation as understandable (but not justifiable) at its deepest roots.

 

I have a lot of feelings.

[Cee]

I just blithely push past the "don't" signs and red flags nowadays. I feel like they don't even mean the same thing to me any more. Anders says "I'll hurt you," Solas says "This could lead to trouble," and I think, "Oooh! An angsty challenge!" 

 

...probably a good thing that I'm basically an old married lady IRL.

 

I think I'm a little on the oblivious side IRL when people are flirting, and I think a sense of optimism that make me think eh, maybe this is something we can overcome, or maybe this won't actually be that bad.

[NeverlandHunter]

I don't know how anyone could really say that Anders was lax about mage issues. Just because the story didn't go there in detail yet doesn't mean the roots weren't there. He did take on a more widespread mission later, but it wasn't like his experiences and escaping seven times and the losses he suffered, the abuse at the hands of the templars, the solitary confinement, the confinement in general, being taken from home,  it's not like any of this never motivated him at all before DA2. It's also not like he didn't know this was also happening to other mages. There were reasons he tried to escape and felt the way he did about the Chantry and the templars. Each of them gave the other something extra that they wanted, and in doing so, united. Each influenced the other, and in the case of Anders, it was not likely intentional, but he had suffered a lot and suppressed some of that pain and anger that made him vulnerable and Justice fed upon it. Anders kept a lot of pain and anger, and that affected and amplified what Justice was capable of and yes, led him to emerge as Vengeance.

 

There's valid criticism one can make about Anders, no doubt, but I'm an Anders-positive person who sees him as a more tragic figure and the whole final situation as understandable (but not justifiable) at its deepest roots.

 

I have a lot of feelings.

My point b was made into a cool face!

CURSES!

What I meant to articulate was that Anders wasn't motivated to take any action against what he perceived as mage oppression. I know he had various escape attempts, and I know he had a strong dislike of Templars even in Awakening, but with the exception of helping himself he wasn't going anywhere with those feelings and viewpoints, at least from what we see in Awakening. I did say that I wouldn't have found it that surprising if Anders ended up where he did without Justice. He had the dark thoughts, he had the personal reasons, he just needed the motivation and course of action he would take.

And it has been awhile since I played Awakening, but if I'm not mistaken Anders was originally pro-Circle himself, was he not? Where is all this he hated the Chantry coming from? I'm probably forgetting a banter or important piece of dialogue, but all I can remember is his interjection while the Warden and Wynne were speaking about the Circle.

[Solas]

wolf's rain I first watched it as a result of this thread's discussion/reccomendations of wolf-feelsy shows/movies/etc and really liked it and really got into it 

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and then my heart got horribly wrenched out and chucked in a vat of acid and salt and FFFFFFFFFFFF fuckin wolf's rain LOL

[Solas]

Ah yes here is my reaction post to it from July

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"Congratulations DragonRacer for putting Wolf's Rain on my to-watch anime list, I just bingewatched the entire thing and now I'm sitting here a complete emotional wreck and simultaneously somehow catatonically empty oh my god what the fuq that was worse than ANY gutpunch bioware has ever dealt me 

 

 

sobs in the gutter"

 

And then Drosophila reccomended Wolf Children and

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I CRIED SOME MORE

[Cee]

I just watched an AMV to this song and needless to say, it was full of spoilers and feelings, and it also gave me some Solas/Solavellan feels because of course it did.

 

Non spoilery version and lyrics:

 

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Heaven's not enough
if when you get there..
just another blue
and heaven's not enough
you think you've found it
and it loses you

You've thought of all there is
but not enough
and it loses you in a cloud

"there" most everything is nothin'
that it seems
"where" you see the things you only wanna see

I'd fly away
to a higher plane
to say words I resist
to float away
to sigh
to breathe.... forget

and heaven's not enough
if when I'm there I don't remember you
and heaven does enough
you think you know it
and it uses you

I saw so many things
but like a dream
always losing me in a cloud

cause I couldn't cry
cause I turned away
couldn't see the score
didn't know the pain
of leaving yesterday really far behind
in another life
in another dream
by a different name
gave it all away
for a memory
and a quiet lie
and I felt the face
of a cold tonight
still don't know the score
but I know the pain
of leaving everything really far behind
and if I could cry
and if I could live what truth I did then take me there
heaven goodbye

 

 

[wildannie]

late responses to things posted a few pages back...

So I am guessing most of us here wants to redeem Solas. I am just hoping that for those who want to kill him, the writers will give him a clean death like Corypheus. Man, some of the hate for Solas on the other threads and all the details of how they want to kill/torture him just makes me go o_O.

  In fact,  I would approve if nobody gets to murder knife Solas, never mind torture him.  He's Fen-Harel, I don't want him to be permanently killed,  I think it would be a big anti climax.   It seems likely to me that there's going to be another antagonist involved and I would like Solas' role within that narrative to develop based on player attitude to him.  

 

I was angry for a long time after ME3, but that was less at a character and more at the writers/developers for letting the game go in that direction. And I never want to torture them.

 

This.  I was incredibly pissed off about ME3 but none of that was focused on in game characters.  I was just felt hugely disappointed in, and let down by the team who made it.  I know that they put loads of hard work in, and that they don't owe me anything,  but IMO something went badly wrong somewhere in the production of that game, and they let themselves down to a certain extent.  I am still set on not buying Andromeda new,  I just can't bring myself to, so I'll be buying it second hand as soon as it becomes available  .

[NeverlandHunter]

Oh damn T_T my anders post was removed because I blank cursed.

Okay. I will use some cute words then  XD

anyways I said:
''Talking about anders.. -lays on the bed writing with a phone- I tried to romance him on my second playthrough and made my hawke to "run away" with him. Lol. I still preferred Fenris tho. The reason I did not like Anders was that as a character he changed a lot from Dao and it was so sad though I get it.. The main reason though was that continuous whining about the mages. Gosh.. Everytime he opened his mouth it was always something about them so I totally agreed with hawke's dear butthole <-- is this allowed? (I am only kidding when I say it) brother ''

I hope I did not offend anyone Do these warning come if someone reports or how? I have never got one before..    and I know I have the bad habit to curse a lot... I should stop T_T

 

haha! I knew what would happen cause I had romanced Fenris before so I just wanted to try it out but I totally preferred Fenris.

My romance went more like Alistair (with elf and he dumped me), Fenris, Solas

I just could not go with Zevran. Zev is funny but he was not my type at all and Alistair's awkwardness was just adorable.

It was removed because of cursing  ? Doesn't it automatically censor "curse" words (I put quotations around curse because I'm sure some of the words it censors are ridiculous. Can I say Dick Grayson (I love him he might only be second to Batman as my favorite DC hero)? Or ***** willow (my siblings and I used to take branches and whip them at one another XD that stuff hurts)? I know I can't say ****** (p!ss), which peeved me off when I first noticed it -.- 

 

Lol. I think you're fine with butthole 

 

Yeah, Anders constant whining did get obnoxious. I remember two of my least favorite Anders dialogues were when he said to Carver (not exact quote) "You hate me because of I'm a mage!" of course Carver's reply "I hate you because you won't shut up about it." was gold! And the other "I wish I had no loyalties greater than you. That's the freedom I'm fighting for. 10 years, 100 years from now, someone like me will love someone like you and there will be no templars to tear them apart." Yes, it was all the Templar's fault Anders -.-

Er, Anders, you aggravate me so.

 

Fenris's romance was so much better than Anders  but I preferred Zevran over Alistair... I a thing for elves.

[The Lone Shadow]

Oh damn T_T my anders post was removed because I blank cursed.

Okay. I will use some cute words then  XD

anyways I said:
''Talking about anders.. -lays on the bed writing with a phone- I tried to romance him on my second playthrough and made my hawke to "run away" with him. Lol. I still preferred Fenris tho. The reason I did not like Anders was that as a character he changed a lot from Dao and it was so sad though I get it.. The main reason though was that continuous whining about the mages. Gosh.. Everytime he opened his mouth it was always something about them so I totally agreed with hawke's dear butthole <-- is this allowed? (I am only kidding when I say it) brother ''

I hope I did not offend anyone Do these warning come if someone reports or how? I have never got one before..    and I know I have the bad habit to curse a lot... I should stop T_T

 

haha! I knew what would happen cause I had romanced Fenris before so I just wanted to try it out but I totally preferred Fenris.

My romance went more like Alistair (with elf and he dumped me), Fenris, Solas

I just could not go with Zevran. Zev is funny but he was not my type at all and Alistair's awkwardness was just adorable.

 

It did it to me too on my post for alternative titles for Solas's autobiography. Never gotten one either for profanity. Kinda silly to me considering that there is profanity in the game. I mean Varric's book title for the Quizz has a curse word in it.  Does anyone know if you just use *** will that get you a warning point?

 

edit: I use to be apart of a harvest moon forum where cursing was not allowed, which makes more sense to me since harvest moon is for all ages, and the people on their used words like "turnip" or "gourmet hat" for swear words. Should we use "Halla" or "Chant" for swear words?

Modifié par The Lone Shadow, 15 octobre 2015 - 07:22 .

[Nightspirit]

I just had my second DA-related dream. Me and a friend were investigating the mystery of the Evanuris when we reached a lake that was surrounded by a barrier. Upon further investigation we found that the lake was unusually warm, no lake in the wilderness can be that warm. Upon even further investigation it turned out to be chicken soup..    Suddenly, Flemeth appeared and explained that she'd turned the whole lake into chicken soup for Fen'Harel, because otherwise he'd get hungry. Then she tossed me into the middle of the lake, a black wolf emerged from the depths and tried to kill me. I was about to drown in chicken soup, but had the pleasure of waking up first.

 

Edit: I'm still not sure if it was supposed to be a nightmare or not. I was about to be killed, but it wasn't scary at all. I just kept thinking "this is ridiculous."

[Cee]

 

"I wish I had no loyalties greater than you. That's the freedom I'm fighting for. 10 years, 100 years from now, someone like me will love someone like you and there will be no templars to tear them apart."

I love this quote. Ugh, so many feelings. So many, many feelings. Conflicted, tragic, layered feelings.

 

Fenris does nothing for me. There, I said it. I always just make him angry and while I like him and understand his character, he's never struck me in the LI sense. I was leaning Anders from the beginning, Merrill was an option, you couldn't romance Aveline, and while I like Isabela, she was more of a friend.