I feel like we shouldn't take those fables literally. Not that he isn't or anything, but I don't think he was actually tied up to become a bed slave.
I'm afraid you're right, but.. I kinda want to believe it happened.
Until we have further information, I like to headcanon that Solas was just too hot for Andruil to resist and she was disappointed that he didn't want her. Getting payback for the halla? A mere smokescreen.
I ventured into that thread yesterday, and promptly closed it off after a few posts. "It's terrible writing and so cliche and afterschool special." o.O In the mean time I remember what DG said about writing that quest and how personal it was for him. I dunno I'm heterosexual so I know I totally lack perspective and experience when it comes to the subject matter. But I didn't find it cliche and dull at all. Dorian's sarcasm and snark is a bit of a wall he uses to protect himself. That doesn't mean that what he said to his father was silly or out of character. Not to mention it's kind of a heavy subject matter that isn't shown in games very often. Handle it the wrong way and you upset an entire section of your fanbase. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I guess I am just tired of folks on the BSN resorting to using "it's terrible writing!" for anything they personally don't like.
Truly, that's often why people just overlooking or being willfully ignorant of the multiple layers of the quest, as well as criticizing it as 'nothing happens'...does everything need to be action action pow pow? The whole 'pandering' and 'agenda' thing irks me very much. Media, games, and other resources were key in finally figuring out I wasn't heterosexual after all, and a bunch of societal biases and erasure made that more difficult over the years. Regardless of anyone's personal experience, and I see people in that thread talking about how it feels relevant to them, these things do happen and they can help some people learn or even if it's just learning to empathize with someone else or sympathize or learn compassion in the situation.
I've learned not to venture into threads on Krem's gender/transgender topics in DA
some right dbags in orbit out in the forum proper tbh
Yep, at this point it's very much 'nope' territory. Some will always misgender him or be completely terrible.
Two Comics
One about Dad Lavellan finding Solas suspicious
http://ioana-muresan...lan-1-566991163
And one that is heart breaking - Lavellan locking Solas up
http://ioana-muresan...art-2-566991257
I ventured into that thread yesterday, and promptly closed it off after a few posts. "It's terrible writing and so cliche and afterschool special." o.O In the mean time I remember what DG said about writing that quest and how personal it was for him. I dunno I'm heterosexual so I know I totally lack perspective and experience when it comes to the subject matter. But I didn't find it cliche and dull at all. Dorian's sarcasm and snark is a bit of a wall he uses to protect himself. That doesn't mean that what he said to his father was silly or out of character. Not to mention it's kind of a heavy subject matter that isn't shown in games very often. Handle it the wrong way and you upset an entire section of your fanbase. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I guess I am just tired of folks on the BSN resorting to using "it's terrible writing!" for anything they personally don't like.
I ventured into that thread yesterday, and promptly closed it off after a few posts. "It's terrible writing and so cliche and afterschool special." o.O In the mean time I remember what DG said about writing that quest and how personal it was for him. I dunno I'm heterosexual so I know I totally lack perspective and experience when it comes to the subject matter. But I didn't find it cliche and dull at all. Dorian's sarcasm and snark is a bit of a wall he uses to protect himself. That doesn't mean that what he said to his father was silly or out of character. Not to mention it's kind of a heavy subject matter that isn't shown in games very often. Handle it the wrong way and you upset an entire section of your fanbase. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I guess I am just tired of folks on the BSN resorting to using "it's terrible writing!" for anything they personally don't like.
I've learned not to venture into threads on Krem's gender/transgender topics in DA
Truly, that's often why people just overlooking or being willfully ignorant of the multiple layers of the quest, as well as criticizing it as 'nothing happens'...does everything need to be action action pow pow? The whole 'pandering' and 'agenda' thing irks me very much. Media, games, and other resources were key in finally figuring out I wasn't heterosexual after all, and a bunch of societal biases and erasure made that more difficult over the years. Regardless of anyone's personal experience, and I see people in that thread talking about how it feels relevant to them, these things do happen and they can help some people learn or even if it's just learning to empathize with someone else or sympathize or learn compassion in the situation.
Yep, at this point it's very much 'nope' territory. Some will always misgender him or be completely terrible.
Hey All,
Please forgive me for being redundant, but here's my take (even though it's totally different subject matter):
I like ketchup. You prefer mustard.
Both (including any, all, or none of the above) opinions/preferences are equally valid. 
Edited for clarification
Sorry.
**goes back to lurking**
I updated Fear & Trembling.
God that thread pissed me off so much, I tried to respond reasonably but could have thrown things at people.
It's a fantasy universe, there's no stipulation that it has to treat gay characters like they're a piece of ****. I applaud BioWare for not doing, as loads of other people do, for the sake of 'dark and gritty'.
I appreciated your post in there and posted one more after, though the general responses were partly why I came here and wondered why I ventured out of here.
Hey All,
Please forgive me for being redundant, but here's my take (even though it's totally different subject matter):
I like ketchup. You prefer mustard.
Both opinions/preferences are equally valid.
I appreciate what you're saying but I can't say I agree in the context of this conversation and subject matter. Sexual and gender identity is a pretty important thing for a large number of people. Sometimes people don't realize that the way they share their opinion can be harmful. I'm not saying no one can ever be critical or to walk around on eggshells. The thing is you never know how strongly someone identifies with something. "My personal experience looked nothing like this so the way it is portrayed here is so silly and trite and poorly written!"
And when it comes to Krem and using the proper pronouns for him, it's never a matter of a difference of opinion.
But yes I will give you that it is ok and good to have different opinions on things. It doesn't mean they're all valid.
Hey, sorry for intruding, Solas thread, I was pointed here for some reason.
I dunno I'm heterosexual so I know I totally lack perspective and experience when it comes to the subject matter. But I didn't find it cliche and dull at all.
Well I'm gay as a bag of rainbows so I do have that perspective and experience, and I'm one of the various gays in that thread who still find that quest dull and poorly written regardless of our personal histories, while various other gays in the same thread find it touching and amazing, regardless of their own histories too. Funny how this "different people have different opinions" thing goes, huh. ![=]](https://lvlt.forum.bioware.com/public/style_emoticons/default/sideways.png)
I like ketchup. You prefer mustard.
Both opinions/preferences are equally valid.
^ you. You have it right.
Ok bye Solas thread, sorry again for interrupting your Solas...ing.
I appreciate what you're saying but I can't say I agree in the context of this conversation and subject matter. Sexual and gender identity is a pretty important thing for a large number of people. Sometimes people don't realize that the way they share their opinion can be harmful. I'm not saying no one can ever be critical or to walk around on eggshells. The thing is you never know how strongly someone identifies with something. "My personal experience looked nothing like this so the way it is portrayed here is so silly and trite and poorly written!"
And when it comes to Krem and using the proper pronouns for him, it's never a matter of a difference of opinion.
But yes I will give you that it is ok and good to have different opinions on things. It doesn't mean they're all valid.
Maybe I wasn't clear, I apologize, I was speaking from the perspective, and on behalf of, those individuals who have a gender identity or sexual orientation that is considered "different from the norm."
Even though I'm hetero, I had a "different than norm" upbringing, with many LGBT family members and friends (including my mom)...So it's at times a "touchy" subject for me.
People can certainly have a different opinon on the quest. No one was saying that wasn't open to criticism. It should be clear I was also expressing mine.
I think I see what you're saying Figment, I was confused at first but you meant it like, it's okay to be LGBT and it's okay to not be LGBT and everyone has their own orientation & gender identity, right? Correct me if I'm wrong
I went into the "Why I like Dorian's quest" thread and there's so much talk of 'agenda' and 'afterschool special' and more people hating and/or ignoring the cultural aspects and the actual nature of it...and criticizing that "nothing happens" during it.
Nothing happens.
My favorite mission in Mass Effect 2? Mordin's loyalty mission. There's no combat. You're just finding things and making decisions. But it's the best damned character development in the whole game for me. Patrick Weekes, man. Right in the feelings with the layered characters.
Mordin's loyalty mission? You mean, the one where you fight through a ruined hospital, killing krogan and Garrus says that best places to fight through are antique stores? Cause I remember fighting ...
I was first exposed to MBTI through Death Note, the internet loves figuring out character using Myers Briggs test and the character of DN are PERFECT for that.
Light is considered ENTJ for example, they are said to be leader material - assertive, outspoken... Light makes me think about Fen'Harel, well, before he became a loony.
L, on the other hand, is an INTP, said to be individualistic, have no interest in leading people, value knowledge, etc.
Rem is INFP, who are considered the idealists - quiet, reflective with a strong value system.
L makes me think of Solas, easily, very cunning, tad eccentric.... Sweet-tooth -cough-. Solas also has that idealistic side to him, and he likes helping people... That's why he is INT/FP for me.
While Fen'Harel is a mask, there is a bit of him in original Solas as well, specifically the vanity (pride)...
Light in his arrogance thought he could rid the world of crime, he tried to change the world by killing criminals and even though his (initial) goals were noble, his methods were horrible. The notebook affected him and accentuated his narcissism and drove him to megalomania after he decided the only way is to create a new world and become its' god. I'd say Light is a perfect equivalent to a misled spirit of wisdom turning to a pride demon. Kind of disturbing when you think about it...
...
Solas, ugh, no, STAHP.
Exactly. No one has the right to bash anyone else for their identity/orientation, or their preferred lifestyle, or how they were born, etc., IMHO. Sorry for not being clear about it.... 
Idk, I should clarify, I have some issues with Dorian's quest too. I think there are good criticisms and bad criticisms of that quest, and some of the problems raised in that thread seemed to fall into the 'bad criticisms' category. Particularly, some people felt it was 'unrealistic' for a medieval setting, when DA has never been that medieval, or tried to emulate medieval values.
I can understand why other people would dislike it, though.
I liked the writing but I can also see room for criticism. Still, like you it was more some of the reasons and seemed to be thinking it was all about him being gay when there was a lot of cultural and class meat to the entire idea as well as family relations and betrayal of trust. Dorian is deeply hurt by the demonstration not only of the lengths his father would try to go for the sake of status, but in betraying his son's trust. You can't boil the quest down to "Dorian is gay"'.
Mordin's loyalty mission? You mean, the one where you fight through a ruined hospital, killing krogan and Garrus says that best places to fight through are antique stores? Cause I remember fighting ...
Yeah, I was remembering it wrong but the most significant half of that mission was not really about fighting.
Idk, I should clarify, I have some issues with Dorian's quest too. I think there are good criticisms and bad criticisms of that quest, and some of the problems raised in that thread seemed to fall into the 'bad criticisms' category. Particularly, some people felt it was 'unrealistic' for a medieval setting, when DA has never been that medieval, or tried to emulate medieval values.I can understand why other people would dislike it, though.
Exactly. No one has the right to bash anyone else for their identity/orientation, or their preferred lifestyle, or how they were born, etc., IMHO. Sorry for not being clear about it....
Np At first I thought you were essentially saying the opposite and saying it was okay to essentially be like LGBTphobic and intentionally misgender Krem (which would have been 
!!) etc but then I saw your second post and all cleared up now
Exactly. No one has the right to bash anyone else for their identity/orientation, or their preferred lifestyle, or how they were born, etc., IMHO. Sorry for not being clear about it....
And everyone has their journeys too. Which is why having a variety of depictions is, IMO, a good thing.
I think I see what you're saying Figment, I was confused at first but you meant it like, it's okay to be LGBT and it's okay to not be LGBT and everyone has their own orientation & gender identity, right? Correct me if I'm wrong
Exactly. No one has the right to bash anyone else for their identity/orientation, or their preferred lifestyle, or how they were born, etc., IMHO. Sorry for not being clear about it....
And...that was supposed to be a quote and I was afraid it got lost at the bottom, but I think it's important, so sorry for quoting myself. 
Np
I wondered about that too before I saw the edit. But I thought that was inconsistent with figment's previous posts and stuff so it was confusing, then I saw the edit. All good.
Idk, I should clarify, I have some issues with Dorian's quest too. I think there are good criticisms and bad criticisms of that quest, and some of the problems raised in that thread seemed to fall into the 'bad criticisms' category. Particularly, some people felt it was 'unrealistic' for a medieval setting, when DA has never been that medieval, or tried to emulate medieval values.
I can understand why other people would dislike it, though, particularly other queer folk.
Maybe they played it too safe and tried to keep it kind of broad in a sense? No I don't think it's some kind of perfect quest that has no room for critique. That's pretty much my attitude of the entirety of DAI. It's a great, but slightly flawed game. I think their heart was in the right place when it came to Dorian's quest. The hand holding is probably what held it back from being a great quest. Asking him to clarify preferring men falls right into the same problem with the questions you can ask Krem during the meet the Chargers quest. I can't make assumptions of the writer's intent. It seemed like they were worried about making sure people really understood what was going on and in doing so detracted from what the entire thing was supposed to be.
To everyone gay and otherwise offering their input, thank you. I grow as a human being by having access to other people's perspectives and experiences. Giving me reasons why you think it's a terrible quest is something I can think about. I appreciate the work BioWare has done in shining a light on all the different types of people in our beautiful world. They may not execute it perfectly, but they're trying. So I'll always be defensive of dismissing their efforts as bad writing.
I liked the writing but I can also see room for criticism. Still, like you it was more some of the reasons and seemed to be thinking it was all about him being gay when there was a lot of cultural and class meat to the entire idea as well as family relations and betrayal of trust. Dorian is deeply hurt by the demonstration not only of the lengths his father would try to go for the sake of status, but in betraying his son's trust. You can't boil the quest down to "Dorian is gay"'.
Yeah, I was remembering it wrong but the most significant half of that mission was not really about fighting.
To keep on topic, yeah that quest is really not about "hey guess what, Dorian is gay". It covers a lot of issues. But then I play the Dragon Age games for the story not the combat, so any quest where you talk about things doesn't strike me as dull or boring. Actually sometimes, combat seems shoe-horned into a quest where it doesn't necessarily belong just because the devs seem to think well there HAS to be a fight.
And about the Mordin quest, mostly I was questioning because I wasn't sure if *I* was remembering the right quest lol. But yes, the most important parts of it were talking to Mordin about the genophage and the reasoning behind it.
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we can return to our regularly scheduled fuzzy snuggling LOL