Hey All,
Please forgive me for being redundant, but here's my take (even though it's totally different subject matter):
I like ketchup. You prefer mustard.
Both (including any, all, or none of the above)
opinions/preferences are equally valid.
Edited for clarification
Sorry.
**goes back to lurking**
Yikes...I'm so embarrassed. 
Do the above edits help at all? 
Yikes...I'm so embarrassed.
Yikes...I'm so embarrassed.
Don't be embarrassed! Misunderstandings happen all the time. Everyone knows what you meant. I've had similar things happen as well.
Yikes...I'm so embarrassed.
Don't be, it's all clear now. Get into the fuzzy snuggles with the rest of us.
its ok bae dont worry. you're so cute omg 
As an additional note, I only left "opinions" in there because I was basically reposting something I said in a discussion about differing opinions a couple of days ago that I thought was an apt way to summarize my views on the subject at hand...sorry for the confusion...
I You All.
Personally I saw Dorian's quest as being a lot less about Dorian being gay and his father's views of that than it is about his father's utter betrayal of everything he taught Dorian. Namely, using blood magic to control someone for his own gain. I don't recall Elder Pavus making any blatantly homophobic remarks. Rather, he was rather dismissive of Dorian, seeing all of this as youthful rebellion and selfishness rather than Dorian embracing his sexuality or not wanting to conform to Tevinter. He reminds me of the sort of pompous elitist father figures who are just scandalized that their children are talking to the peasantry or doing anything remotely 'improper'. Meanwhile Dorian has to deal with his hero figure who taught him how to stand against the tide in Tevinter turning his back on his own ideals, with the added nastiness of doing it to change Dorian himself because he didn't fit into his role like Pavus wanted.
Now, the parent dismissing the kid's sexuality as just a phase or them trying to rebel for the sake of rebelling, now that draws on a lot of people's experience, unfortunately, especially in the LGBT community.
For everyone griping about how unrealistic this is, well...
Tevinter is based off the Roman Republic, not Medieval Europe, and Tevinter is still its own thing with its own prejudices. Sexual politics in Rome was quite different than sexual politics in 1100 Paris.
And the Pavus family does suffer for Dorian's choices. The thing here is, this individual Magister (can, depending on player influence) choose to accept Dorian's choices, and gives him his seat in the Magisterium. While Dorian not marrying a woman and not having children may befuddle or amuse other people in Tevinter, they're not going to take away his citizenship card. That danger is from the head of his family, and the removal of that danger is what happens in the quest.
It's not the great bulk of the Magisterium deciding that they should put their little eugenics program on hold. It's not Bioware shoving the gay agenda down people's throats. It's Dorian and his father coming to terms and putting up with the crap that comes their way. The whole bloody history of sexuality and politics and nobility is not monolithic, incidents like this have occurred before.
So that's just my view.
Maybe they played it too safe and tried to keep it kind of broad in a sense? No I don't think it's some kind of perfect quest that has no room for critique. That's pretty much my attitude of the entirety of DAI. It's a great, but slightly flawed game. I think their heart was in the right place when it came to Dorian's quest. The hand holding is probably what held it back from being a great quest. Asking him to clarify preferring men falls right into the same problem with the questions you can ask Krem during the meet the Chargers quest. I can't make assumptions of the writer's intent. It seemed like they were worried about making sure people really understood what was going on and in doing so detracted from what the entire thing was supposed to be.
To everyone gay and otherwise offering their input, thank you. I grow as a human being by having access to other people's perspectives and experiences. Giving me reasons why you think it's a terrible quest is something I can think about. I appreciate the work BioWare has done in shining a light on all the different types of people in our beautiful world. They may not execute it perfectly, but they're trying. So I'll always be defensive of dismissing their efforts as bad writing.
RPing it the way I was, I didn't have Nirwen ask those questions about Dorian, and I didn't feel like she'd utterly pry about Krem either. So while I oftn exhause the dialogue options, neither would be in character (she would feel like it was personal/prying, and a bisexual woman would understand a same sex attraction). But I do agree those were there to be broad and accessible, though also optional. Still, maybe some would be curious and it's a safe space sort of deal for people to learn if they're open to that.
These sorts of things can just vary so much in real life with different impact, but I do appreciate their efforts, even if they have flaws.
As an additional note, I only left "opinions" in there because I was basically reposting something I said in a discussion about differing opinions a couple of days ago that I thought was an apt way to summarize my views on the subject at hand...sorry for the confusion...
No worries. The Blanketfort is the safest place to post 99.999999999% of the time. That's why I joined in on the Dorian conversation here instead of the thread for it. I don't like taking this thread off topic, but I know that over here if we disagree it'll very rarely get heated. And we all have such vastly different backgrounds that when misunderstandings happen, the goal is always to educate. I am a grown ass woman with pretty thin skin. There's not many places I'll share my opinion on things. This thread allows me to be active in the fandom. It's not that I can't handle people disagreeing with me. It's the way in which it's delivered. And over here everyone is respectful and kind.
crisis averted
we can return to our regularly scheduled fuzzy snuggling LOL
*lets my dogs loose in the thread*
They like snuggling.
Re: Dorian: I'm curious how many people attempt to make peace between him and his father? It always seems like the more popular option to leave without Dorian speaking to Elder Pavus.
Ok going to be a good girl now and get myself back on topic!
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*lets my dogs loose in the thread*
They like snuggling.
Re: Dorian: I'm curious how many people attempt to make peace between him and his father? It always seems like the more popular option to leave without Dorian speaking to Elder Pavus.
I always let Papa Pavus say his piece. If the best he can come up with after traveling across all of Thedas doesn't impress Dorian, then Dorian can cut it off then with no regrets.
Re: Dorian: I'm curious how many people attempt to make peace between him and his father? It always seems like the more popular option to leave without Dorian speaking to Elder Pavus.
I attempted to make peace. I thought it would be good for both of them.
I always let Papa Pavus say his piece. If the best he can come up with after traveling across all of Thedas doesn't impress Dorian, then Dorian can cut it off then with no regrets.
I attempted to make peace. I thought it would be good for both of them.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one. From the way the tumblr side of the fandom acts, Elder Pavus is the biggest villian in the game. What he did was terrible, but it's clear that he and Dorian loved each other at one point. I wanted to help make that right again.
navigates to a video to hear someone's opinion on the difference between two MBTI types to find the guy is wearing a leather vest with nunchucks in the front pocket LOL what universe have I entered wat is happen
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one. From the way the tumblr side of the fandom acts, Elder Pavus is the biggest villian in the game. What he did was terrible, but it's clear that he and Dorian loved each other at one point. I wanted to help make that right again.
Yes, me too. I also left them to talk. There was a lot of pain but he came all that way to try, and clearly cared. Dorian is deeply hurt but that is also in part because he loved his father and was so dismayed by the broken trust and value placed on status over him.
navigates to a video to hear someone's opinion on the difference between two MBTI types to find the guy is wearing a leather vest with nunchucks in the front pocket LOL what universe have I entered wat is happen
Why am I now imagining someone's AU Solas art in that outfit?
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one. From the way the tumblr side of the fandom acts, Elder Pavus is the biggest villian in the game. What he did was terrible, but it's clear that he and Dorian loved each other at one point. I wanted to help make that right again.
Hrmm. I have always helped them reconcile. I had no idea that most people don't go that route. I guess that could explain why I see it so differently?
On topic:
Here's Solas on the Royal Sixteen mount in the playthrough where I managed to save clan Lavellan:
*lets my dogs loose in the thread*
They like snuggling.
Re: Dorian: I'm curious how many people attempt to make peace between him and his father? It always seems like the more popular option to leave without Dorian speaking to Elder Pavus.
Hrmm. I have always helped them reconcile. I had no idea that most people don't go that route. I guess that could explain why I see it so differently?
On topic:
Here's Solas on the Royal Sixteen mount in the playthrough where I managed to save clan Lavellan:
Spoiler
I guess people don't like him because he's homophobic and therefore irredeemable. Which ignores a lot of nuances of the quest and the characters.
*lets my dogs loose in the thread*
They like snuggling.
Re: Dorian: I'm curious how many people attempt to make peace between him and his father? It always seems like the more popular option to leave without Dorian speaking to Elder Pavus.
Yay, doggie snuggles are the best. I wish I could have one here, but whenever I move, adopting one is a priority.
*quietly struggles daily with the temptation of running off with people's dogs* (This is me) 
Hrmm. I have always helped them reconcile. I had no idea that most people don't go that route. I guess that could explain why I see it so differently?
On topic:
Here's Solas on the Royal Sixteen mount in the playthrough where I managed to save clan Lavellan:
Spoiler
That helmet though.
That helmet though.
He looks so silly in pretty much every hat. I kind of enjoy it. "I wonder how doofy I can make Solas look this time?!"
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