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If I fell into ancient Arlathan, I would eatttt allll daaa magic frilllyy cakeesss.

 

Which makes me wonder if the Red, Blue, Green Ending for Solas would be;

 

The Veil is altered, the Evanuris will eventually break free, but all Elves now have magic and immortality.

The Veil is strengthened, the Evanuris remain imprisoned, but everyone loses their magic.

The Veil falls, Elvhenan returns, but the Evanuris are freed. (And there are no longer any frilly cakes)

 

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Sooo ... only when everything was mostly ok? 

 

God friggn dammit this is hard. 

 

Ugh I gotta think ....

 

I'm probably just going to suffer until one day I have some random epiphany and then start writing it all like crazy. (basically the story of most everything I've written ever)

 

I think what would be important in keeping the fic moving along would be to have it not focus on Solas, but rather the main character's exploration and roll in the world/ Elvhenan. Solas should be like ... a side thing for a while until the end, when it might seem more appropriate to unleash all his complicated drama unto the readers. 

Hmmmm...Maybe when the Evanuris are just starting to get "too big for their britches"...? I think it would be interesting to explore the possibilities inherent in showing the nature of and extent of their corruption. Also, I need to see plenty of cocky young Fen'Harel with hair. :P :wub:


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Which makes me wonder if the Red, Blue, Green Ending for Solas would be;

 

The Veil is altered, the Evanuris will eventually break free, but all Elves now have magic and immortality.

The Veil is strengthened, the Evanuris remain imprisoned, but everyone loses their magic.

The Veil falls, Elvhenan returns, but the Evanuris are freed. (And there are no longer any frilly cakes)

 

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Which makes me wonder if the Red, Blue, Green Ending for Solas would be;

 

The Veil is altered, the Evanuris will eventually break free, but all Elves now have magic and immortality.

The Veil is strengthened, the Evanuris remain imprisoned, but everyone loses their magic.

The Veil falls, Elvhenan returns, but the Evanuris are freed. (And there are no longer any frilly cakes)

 

:whistle:

 

I'm pretty sure Bioware will never use red, blue, and green for their endings again.

 

Edit: Now it's basically one ending with small variations.


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Seriously, why can't we ever have a smart protagonist? We can have book-smart ones, but why can't we have good strategists.

Codex Alera, my friend. :D

Tavi.

All of the good strategy.  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:

As for video games...

Umm...

Artanis in the original Starcraft counts if it's a player other than me commanding the Protoss.  :lol:



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I'm playing multiplayer right now if anyone wants to join me, I'm a level 8 archer. I think you need the multiplayer DLCs to connect with me. And no voice chat :P.


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I'm playing multiplayer right now if anyone wants to join me, I'm a level 8 archer. I think you need the multiplayer DLCs to connect with me. And no voice chat :P.

I've never tried multi-player. My kids kept saying they would play with me, but never do.


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I'm playing multiplayer right now if anyone wants to join me, I'm a level 8 archer. I think you need the multiplayer DLCs to connect with me. And no voice chat :P.

Supposed to be writing an article on procrastination right now (ironic I know) so maybe another time (I'm free on the weekends!) 

 

Btw, Reaver is the most OP class ever. I've seen Reavers solo entire end fights on hard while the rest of the team was dead  :wacko:

 

(Keeper is my personal favorite though, because I just can't stand not having barrier :P


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I've never tried multi-player. My kids kept saying they would play with me, but never do.

 

Until I got the DLCs to connect with others I basically got to level 6 by soloing as far as I could until I died :lol:.

 

Supposed to be writing an article on procrastination right now (ironic I know) so maybe another time (I'm free on the weekends!) 

 

Btw, Reaver is the most OP class ever. I've seen Reavers solo entire end fights on hard while the rest of the teem was dead  :wacko:

 

(Keeper is my personal favorite though, because I just can't stand not having barrier :P

 

Alright! My username is MurkyRain. I was in a group with someone yesterday and they died early in the last fight, I managed to kite the mobs and kill them all except the mage boss who beat me in the end D:. So close.. It probably took me about 10 minutes.


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Until I got the DLCs to connect with others I basically got to level 6 by soloing as far as I could until I died :lol:.

 

 

Alright! My username is MurkyRain. I was in a group with someone yesterday and they died early in the last fight, I managed to kite the mobs and kill them all except the mage boss who beat me in the end D:. So close.. It probably took me about 10 minutes.

I'm TheBiscuitBadger (don't freakn ask. it's the bane of my existence) 

 

This one time I soloed an entire end fight with my Keeper at lvl 19, but I think it was at the lowest level? Or it was normal (or whatever the medium one is, I forget). I actually got the boss dead, and was killed by like 3 extra stragglers right at the end. Keeper is the only class I'm good at though, so not that great at multiplayer in general xd 

 

 

I've never tried multi-player. My kids kept saying they would play with me, but never do.

 

It's pretty fun, especially with the outfit upgrade system! It's a nice side thing to do once you've done everything in the main game :)


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I've just been reading that Avoid Writing a Mary Sue tvtrope article, and there's a point I disagree with and want to discuss with you guys:

 

Overtly flowery descriptions of original characters, as opposed to rather bland descriptions of the canon characters. Most Mary Sue-based fanfiction is poorly written, and thus will contain lavish descriptions of original characters. Avoid doing this early on in a story; either lavishly describe all of the characters in a story, or none of them. Don't split that (unless the writing is in a specific point-of-view that would entail such lavish description).

 

Now, if I'm reading this correctly that line expects fanfic writers to go into detail when explaining a canon character if they intend to do the same with an original character, but I disagree with that.

 

I've read fanfics where they do this and I find myself losing patience reading descriptions on characters I already know what they look like and I'm far more likely to stop reading - especially if they go into detail like what clothes they wear (Solas' turtleneck for example*; I know what it looks like, stop describing it and get on with the story). In my opinion unless there is a key difference in a canon characters appearance that differs from canon (concept!Solas) then physical descriptions for canon characters should be ignored.

 

That said, I think OC's need detailed descriptions, at least (and usually most) at the start (which this quote argues against) when you first meet them so the readers know what they look like. Being vague about appearances can work for certain characters (ME/DAI protagonists), but a big part of making an OC fit in the world where that's not needs the description.

 

*Harhar! On topic!


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I'm TheBiscuitBadger (don't freakn ask. it's the bane of my existence)

 

I had to laugh..

 

All my names seem to have rain in them. Rain makes me feel cozy indoors ^_^.


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I'm playing multiplayer right now if anyone wants to join me, I'm a level 8 archer. I think you need the multiplayer DLCs to connect with me. And no voice chat :P.


Are you on a pc or console lol :) if your on Xbox one I'll join you :)

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I always let Papa Pavus say his piece. If the best he can come up with after traveling across all of Thedas doesn't impress Dorian, then Dorian can cut it off then with no regrets.

 

I do too. Parents always have a unique hold over us and even adult children, will often forgive and look for hope where there may very well be none. There's always going to be a part of us that wants to hear what they have to say. I just find Dorian's quest really satisfying in the same way I did Fenris' when you go with him to meet his sister / confront Danarius. I didn't know how the meeting with Dorian's dad would turn out, but you get to be there for him and back him up in any case. And as it turned out, Magister Pavus said the right words. So that was pretty wonderful. But I was so ready to haul Dorian's butt out of there if it got ugly.



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Are you on a pc or console lol :) if your on Xbox one I'll join you :)

 

PC sorry :(.

 

I heard it's region locked too? Surely you can still group with friends privately.


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I've just been reading that Avoid Writing a Mary Sue tvtrope article, and there's a point I disagree with and want to discuss with you guys:

 

 

Now, if I'm reading this correctly that line expects fanfic writers to go into detail when explaining a canon character if they intend to do the same with an original character, but I disagree with that.

 

I've read fanfics where they do this and I find myself losing patience reading descriptions on characters I already know what they look like and I'm far more likely to stop reading - especially if they go into detail like what clothes they wear (Solas' turtleneck for example*; I know what it looks like, stop describing it and get on with the story). In my opinion unless there is a key difference in a canon characters appearance that differs from canon (concept!Solas) then physical descriptions for canon characters should be ignored.

 

That said, I think OC's need detailed descriptions, at least (and usually most) at the start (which this quote argues against) when you first meet them so the readers know what they look like. Being vague about appearances can work for certain characters (ME/DAI protagonists), but a big part of making an OC fit in the world where that's not needs the description.

 

*Harhar! On topic!

 

Oh are we talking about what we don't like in fanfics? I can go on and on about that. Mostly what I don't like are "heroes" who act like emotional impulsive immature whiny 10 year olds who are also gorgeous dazzling sexy blond hair blue eyes with lavender speckles.


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PC sorry :(.

I heard it's region locked too? Surely you can still group with friends privately.


Hahaha don't be sorry all good I thought I would ask ;) I don't know I haven't tried playing online for awhile now I'll have to have a look.

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I've just been reading that Avoid Writing a Mary Sue tvtrope article, and there's a point I disagree with and want to discuss with you guys:

 

 

Now, if I'm reading this correctly that line expects fanfic writers to go into detail when explaining a canon character if they intend to do the same with an original character, but I disagree with that.

 

I've read fanfics where they do this and I find myself losing patience reading descriptions on characters I already know what they look like and I'm far more likely to stop reading - especially if they go into detail like what clothes they wear (Solas' turtleneck for example*; I know what it looks like, stop describing it and get on with the story). In my opinion unless there is a key difference in a canon characters appearance that differs from canon (concept!Solas) then physical descriptions for canon characters should be ignored.

 

That said, I think OC's need detailed descriptions, at least (and usually most) at the start (which this quote argues against) when you first meet them so the readers know what they look like. Being vague about appearances can work for certain characters (ME/DAI protagonists), but a big part of making an OC fit in the world where that's not needs the description.

 

*Harhar! On topic!

I agree with you.

 

My philosophy on writing anything really is: show not tell 

 

As in, you have to describe directly when necessary, but always go for showing who your characters are before you tell the reader who they are, and this goes for original OC's especially. 

 

You can't just dump in an OC and be like "welp, that's that, let's move on." 

 

Who is the OC? Why do I want to read about him/her? 

 

In terms of already established characters, description is completely unnecessary imo. We already know who they are. Telling us what we already know is boring and makes us take the fic less seriously. 

 

I think showing who the character is in relation with the main character is how a writer should establish their version of a canon character, rather than describing them incessantly. 

 

As a reference, Feynite in The Looking Glass and The Dread Wolf's Heart does "show not tell" perfectly. It's partially how I think she keeps her readers so invested in her stories


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#137244
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PC sorry :(.

 

I heard it's region locked too? Surely you can still group with friends privately.

Noo, I'm on xbox one x-x dangit 



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I guess people don't like him because he's homophobic and therefore irredeemable.  Which ignores a lot of nuances of the quest and the characters.

 

I think it's probably two reactions. One is people who recognise this particular personal hell and are just beyond tired of it and - NOPE.

 

The second is from people who might be uncomfortable examining their own capacity for prejudice. It's easier to just push it away - the guy's evil, he's nobody I could relate to, that's that.


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Oh are we talking about what we don't like in fanfics? I can go on and on about that. Mostly what I don't like are "heroes" who act like emotional impulsive immature whiny 10 year olds who are also gorgeous dazzling sexy blond hair blue eyes with lavender speckles.

 

I was more saying that giving your OCs detailed descriptions (at the start at least) while skipping canonical character descriptions doesn't suddenly make your OC a Mary Sue, or that it's showing favoritism towards your own OC, but, yes, that's really annoying too. xD

 

I stopped reading a DAI fic I was really enjoying because their Lavellan could - for some reason - speak perfect elven before they even leave Haven. And she can do this because she "learned it from the Fade". That sat so wrong with me because while Lavellan can act as a translator in parts where you don't have Solas with you (at Mythal's temple IIRC?), canonically the Dalish only have a faint grasp on the lost language and as such try to pepper their speech with it as much as possible. And if you listen to Solas and Lavellan's snark fest at the start, Lavellan even pronounces "Ir abelas" wrong, to which Solas subtly corrects when he makes his own apology. :P

 

So for that OC to understand elven perfectly with correct punctuation and everything just turned off my suspension of disbelief. x)


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Noo, I'm on xbox one x-x dangit 

 

Blast! Oh well at least you play ESO on PC :P.


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I agree with you.

 


Who is the OC? Why do I want to read about him/her? 

 

[snip]

 

I think showing who the character is in relation with the main character is how a writer should establish their version of a canon character, rather than describing them incessantly. 

 

As a reference, Feynite in The Looking Glass and The Dread Wolf's Heart does "show not tell" perfectly. It's partially how I think she keeps her readers so invested in her stories

 

Agreed. I generally can't be bothered to read lots of description about an OC until I know that I'm interested in who they're shown to be. I prefer to learn about details like appearance and background slowly, over the course of a story.

 

I'm so impressed at how Feynite's managed to give a real personality to the Lavellan of LG and TDWH, without ever stating her name or describing her appearance. When I realised what she was doing, it blew my mind a little.


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And if you listen to Solas and Lavellan's snark fest at the start, Lavellan even pronounces "Ir abelas" wrong, to which Solas subtly corrects when he makes his own apology. :P

 

I was going to ask if there was a canon elvish pronunciation guide out there, when I had to slap myself - he's an actual ancient elf, of course he's right :lol:


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Agreed. I generally can't be bothered to read lots of description about an OC until I know that I'm interested in who they're shown to be. I prefer to learn about details like appearance and background slowly, over the course of a story.

 

That's an excellent point, but then what happens when a detail about the character is revealed later on down the line that then clashes with the picture you had in your head and can change how you feel about that character? That's what worries me about leaving details out until later on or revealing slowly.

 

Edit: Hit reply button by accident. I don't mean to say explain every minute detail at the beginning should be told (although, to be fair, my OC in my fic sort of does that over the course of the chapter she's introduced in. >_< But I hope it was in reasonable context within the story).


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