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[MayriyaNoori]

Go ahead and hit send

Where you want me to send it when I'm finished? PM?

[drosophila]

Where you want me to send it when I'm finished? PM?

 

Somewhere where I can highlight and comment? I'm really into highlighting. Maybe share a google doc or email a word doc? But if it's too much work PM is fine

[Sable Rhapsody]

*veterinary mode: on*

 

Is that a Demodex mite lying on its back?

 

+1 science cookies to you

 

Personally, I think they're pretty cute with their stubby little legs.

 

Question: if Solas was actually transported into the real world, what kind of interaction would you have with him? what kind of relationship?

 

(actually, on that note, does anyone know of a fiction like that? you see OC in [fictional world] fanfic all the time, but I don't think I've ever seen anything about a canonical character being transported into the real world.)

 

I don't know of a fanfiction like that, though it would be interesting.  

 

I would be friendly toward Solas, but I don't know if we'd be bosom friends immediately.  He can be rather arrogant and insufferable.  Maybe I'd get him some cocoa, tickets to the science museum, and the number for my former shrink

[Cee]

The Solas coffee thing is a meme too. Bunch of names on Starbucks cups like Solar, Solace, etc.

[Sable Rhapsody]

The Solas coffee thing is a meme too. Bunch of names on Starbucks cups like Solar, Solace, etc.

I would like to point out that in gradschool AU, barista!Lavellan can spell Solas's name

[SoSolaris]

On Solas' reaction to 21st century society, if he woke up here (I can't find the original post to quote in my just-woken-up state):

I think he'd possibly appreciate the ingenuity of mortals and the fact that we've achieved a lot of functions the Elvhen had through technology rather than magic. When I first found out about the Vir'Dirthara, I was struck by how similarly it functions to parts of the internet: a compendium of knowledge with a central interface accessible from anywhere, at any time. I imagine that given how the Eluvians link everywhere instantaneously, you could probably have realms which other functions - e.g. you'd possibly have streets of cafés and restuarants, where you could catch a coffee with any friend you have in the world - in the flesh. Whilst we don't have that level of communication or transportation infrastructure yet, it's possibly closer to the level Solas is used to.

I would imagine it'd be very alien though. Culturally, I'm not sure what he'd think - we're a fast-paced people who are constantly focussed on time, moreso with the development of communication & information technology than in comparison to a hundred and fifty years ago. He'd probably find some aspects of our society, such as the prevalence of advertising or the quality of pop music, completely vapid (I would love to prove him wrong on pop music though, oh Solas you old fart). He'd probably find the fact that most of the world lives in poverty appalling (then again, how much better were the Elvhen with slavery?) and find it quite sad that most people seem to be resigned to it, as 'a fact of life'. Definitely a culture shock. It'd be a bizarre scenario where in a lot of ways we're a very distorted mirror image of home to him, superficially similar, culturally alien.

I'd feel quite sorry for him, to be honest I would love to sit down and chat with the guy though, if the opportunity presented itself. He's one of those characters who I really want to take for a coffee and pick their brain.

Question: if Solas was actually transported into the real world, what kind of interaction would you have with him? what kind of relationship?

I'm actually writing something like this, and your post jogged my imagination. My idea was that he would succeed in his plan, but just barely, as the Inquisitor would impede him (somehow... I haven't worked out the details yet!) and it would backfire. So, Thedas and the world surrounding it would be erased, but instead of reseting the world to his targeted time and state, it would be repacked into the modern world.

Another failed plan for Solas. Which really isn't that surprising, all things considered. He's going to be in a very dark state of mind in my story, and may have more trouble adjusting and adapting than when he first awoken in original Thedas. Because, obviously.

He doesn't have a year's worth of time to get somewhat settled, and instead of reverting back to the world he wanted, he has been thrust into an entirely new realm with insane metal contraptions that carry people across great distances, ridiculous gadgets that the beings of this world cannot tear themselves away from, strange music, and selfie sticks.

I actually wrote five more paragraphs about this lol, but deleted it because it's just my rambling drivel about his potential state of mind and his cold reactions toward modern!Lavellan.

[Cee]

Spoiler

Yes, I feel exactly the same way.

Historically speaking, lesbian pulp fiction was only allowed to pass the censor by including a tragic ending which made explicit that choosing the girl would lead in ruin and heartbreak, possibly even emphasising the main character's selfish and depraved nature. It's frankly embarrassing that in 2015 we have an ending which accomplishes the same thing when those censorship laws are long dead and buried.

I think it's not much better than queerbaiting, especially with - as you mentioned - the hint of a happy ending we got in San Francisco earlier, and especially because the tornado had very little to do with the disappearances and detective work which made up the bulk of the main plot.

I felt like, ok, I've got over the horrific nightmare sequence where Max internalises all those nasty things Jefferson says, I'm going to conquer that trauma, I'm going to survive... and it could have lead somewhere positive and really reassuring and nice, but instead I have to kill Chloe or Arcadia Bay? It was railroaded in, it was unnecessary, it just made things tragic, and for what end? To make all the queer women playing this game cry? Whilst I have no problem with people picking Warren, I'm angry that he - the straight option - didn't get that same treatment, and that the straight relationship didn't have to end in tragedy. Ugh.

The more I think about it the less I like it.

 

Spoiler

The more and more I think about all of this, the more unsure I get and the more some of it unravels. As Illyria said, the time travel is fixed by time travel. But I'm also really sad that yet another f/f pairing had to result in one tragedy or another. I mean, I think a lot of us feared queerbaiting, and at least it went to a genuine place (though the inclusion of the kiss only if you save the Bay...ehhh).

 

On a personal note, this and all sorts of erasure I now realize, in hindsight, led me into a state of questioning without actually questioning actively for years. I spent a lot of time doubting, wondering what was 'enough' and I have to partly place blame on media and how queer stories and identities get erased or depicted. 14 year old me was right, and Life is Strange has a lot of very young fans.  I really wish they had given us some happier ending we could achieve.

 

But this, and what Illyria said about the San Francisco timeline.

 

 

I felt like, ok, I've got over the horrific nightmare sequence where Max internalises all those nasty things Jefferson says, I'm going to conquer that trauma, I'm going to survive... and it could have lead somewhere positive and really reassuring and nice,

 

I felt like there was a theme of hope in the game, of being able to change and to do better, and that they'd have a chance, but giving them a chance means sacrificing everyone else? The more I think about it, the more I wish they just left the tornado element out and come up with something better. It felt like an afterthought anyway once we began to get more ideas of what the story was more about anyway, and the clips and bits reminding us about the storm coming were ominous but they wrote us right back into this place of tragedy and a story we've seen before, but only the f/f pairing suffers one way or another.  And fixing time travel with time travel is too neat.

 

I usually hate time travel stuff because it can turn into a mess fast, like in DAI, how I've often said how I appreciate it was so time and circumstance limited, seemingly on purpose and so it didn't become an open tool.

 

 

Also, Max first had the vision of the tornado before discovering her power. Was that moment the moment her power kicked in....why would she have a vision of a storm that is the result of too much messing around in time when she doesn't know she has a power and hasn't used it yet? so, in essence, it just...what?

 

I'm just not settled. I read this yesterday, http://www.nymgamer.com/?p=11840and I thought this paragraph got how I felt: (though I recommend reading that anyway.

 

 

I’ve never worried so much, hesitated so many times, paused to think, or take breaks so often. I’ve never sweated choices like this. I’ve never pulled my hair or stopped to talk through an in-game decision with a friend like this. There’s never been, for me, a game like Life Is Strange, no narrative experience that has quite matched it. I’ve railed at moments that only made sense an episode or three later; I’ve changed my mind to this and that and back again, and now, at the end, I’m still not sure about my decisions, or my feelings, or really anything at all.

 

 

 

 

 

I have many feelings.

[Cee]

http://dragonagestuf...asnt-even-decaf

 

“And worst of all, Lavellan, it wasn’t even decaf like I’d asked!“

[drosophila]

http://dragonagestuf...asnt-even-decaf

“And worst of all, Lavellan, it wasn’t even decaf like I’d asked!“

 

The best part is it seems like someone actually went to a Starbucks and used the name Solas for coffee 

[Cee]

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

So, this morning I'm sitting here writing up this scene that came to my brain yesterday. I started off not really knowing if I should have this as an actual chapter to my Zevellan good times or not, but I starting typing anyway.

 

Next thing I know, I'm really liking the scene I'm writing cause it's all kinds of feels in it and now I'm sitting here at a point where I'm like "ugggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh I want them to kiss"

 

But I'm all messed up about it cause one side of me says "No, not yet, it wouldn't be just a kiss and you know it. It's Zevran"

 

And the other side is poking me saying "just do it"

 

And I'm in the middle thinking "Crap, this entire scene thing may not even work within what I'm working on, but I kinda dig what I wrote so far, so I really don't want to toss it out the window"

 

*slams head on desk*

 

halp

 

Just saying, if you or anyone ever wants to toss something into the writers group to ask for feedback, make a discussion thread and post. We can be like a secluded mini-workshop.

[MayriyaNoori]

Somewhere where I can highlight and comment? I'm really into highlighting. Maybe share a google doc or email a word doc? But if it's too much work PM is fine

I'm typing it up in google doc....how do I share it when I'm done?

[Cee]

Me, I reread this morning and now I'm like...time to fix things in the one I posted. Still relieved to finish something though.

[Cee]

I'm typing it up in google doc....how do I share it when I'm done?

Hit share on the top right, change permissions to however you want to share. If you want to allow someone to edit or make any changes, you'll have to set the permission.

 

Then you can simply send the link it generates.

[drosophila]

Hit share on the top right, change permissions to however you want to share. If you want to allow someone to edit or make any changes, you'll have to set the permission.

 

Then you can simply send the link it generates.

 

Feels rogue saves the day. 

 

I'll need permission to edit however, so that I can make comments. Just share directly with my gmail account, I think you have it. 

[MayriyaNoori]

Feels rogue saves the day. 

 

I'll need permission to edit however, so that I can make comments. Just share directly with my gmail account, I think you have it. 

Alrighty, I fail at technology but be expecting some kind of something soon.

[Shari'El]

So I'm kinda wondering.. After Life is Strange 5

 

Spoiler

Did anyone change their views about Solas and even his plans?

I mean, Max was ready to sacrifice 10 thousand (give or take) people to save Chloe, and yes with Solas we are speaking about much bigger numbers but Solas did it to save the world from the Evanuris, Max does it to save one person that she cares about. Now Solas wants to fix his mistake, a lot of the last episode was Max trying to fix the fact Chloe got shot by Jefferson or died in Arcadia Bay.

While I personally retained my previous view on Solas (I sympathize with him), I feel like I understand him better somehow. I mean - I think everybody who played the game felt really conflicted about the last choice, I personally stared at the screen for a while. He did what he did to the Evanuris, killed load of people but possibly saved the world. Now he wants to "fix" the side effects of his actions, possibly at a great cost...

 

I wonder how it would've been if Solas was a playable character in a game series, like "The Dreamer" I, II & III. How would people then react to him?

[Cee]

So I'm kinda wondering.. After Life is Strange 5

 

Spoiler

Did anyone change their views about Solas and even his plans?

I mean, Max was ready to sacrifice 10 thousand (give or take) people to save Chloe, and yes with Solas we are speaking about much bigger numbers but Solas did it to save the world from the Evanuris, Max does it to save one person that she cares about. Now Solas wants to fix his mistake, a lot of the last episode was Max trying to fix the fact Chloe got shot by Jefferson or died in Arcadia Bay.

While I personally retained my previous view on Solas (I sympathize with him), I feel like I understand him better somehow. I mean - I think everybody who played the game felt really conflicted about the last choice, I personally stared at the screen for a while. He did what he did to the Evanuris, killed load of people but possibly saved the world. Now he wants to "fix" the side effects of his actions, possibly at a great cost...

 

I wonder how it would've been if Solas was a playable character in a game series, like "The Dreamer" I, II & III. How would people then react to him?

 

Well, given that

 

Spoiler

 

I saved Arcadia Bay, even though I'm not even sure of it all just yet. I think there are definitely comparisons to be drawn here with regards to Solas' plans and potential decisions we might have, though at this point it's almost a given that something will get tossed into the picture, some new information or event that might affect the stakes.

 

As much as my Lavellan loves Solas, and as much as she believes Solas can be redeemed, she has a lot of other people she cares about, as well as others in Thedas who she has helped, directly or indirectly, over the past few years. So, in this sense, I think if it came down to a similar decision, it might be everyone/the world over Solas, but in Arcadia Bay, the difference is Max is kind of floating. She's connected to Chloe, and Joyce, and she has friends in Warren and Kate (though not as close yet as they become through the episodes) but Max at the beginning, if she rewinds, she hasn't had a real chance to become friends with Victoria or some of the others. Her parents are back in Seattle. So in terms of what's tethering Max to Arcadia Bay and what tethers Lavellan to the world, at least in my case, there's more weight to Lavellan's ties and it would be a different scenario.

 

It's also one additional reason why I am still not 100% settled on my decision in LIS but there are other factors and reasons there.

 

 

[Shari'El]

Well, given that

 

Spoiler

 

I saved Arcadia Bay, even though I'm not even sure of it all just yet. I think there are definitely comparisons to be drawn here with regards to Solas' plans and potential decisions we might have, though at this point it's almost a given that something will get tossed into the picture, some new information or event that might affect the stakes.

 

As much as my Lavellan loves Solas, and as much as she believes Solas can be redeemed, she has a lot of other people she cares about, as well as others in Thedas who she has helped, directly or indirectly, over the past few years. So, in this sense, I think if it came down to a similar decision, it might be everyone/the world over Solas, but in Arcadia Bay, the difference is Max is kind of floating. She's connected to Chloe, and Joyce, and she has friends in Warren and Kate (though not as close yet as they become through the episodes) but Max at the beginning, if she rewinds, she hasn't had a real chance to become friends with Victoria or some of the others. Her parents are back in Seattle. So in terms of what's tethering Max to Arcadia Bay and what tethers Lavellan to the world, at least in my case, there's more weight to Lavellan's ties and it would be a different scenario.

 

It's also one additional reason why I am still not 100% settled on my decision in LIS but there are other factors and reasons there.

 

 

 

Spoiler

I don't think Lavellan and Max are comparable because Lavellan doesn't have the power to change something so drastically and isn't faced with a choice like that (at least not yet, we'll see when DA4 comes around).

As for Max's connections vs Lavellan's - although Lavellan has a lot more to lose, there are still other people in the world beyond their friends.

Although Chloe has a face, a name and personality she isn't really more important than 10000 faceless people or is a better person, she is however, very important to Max and a very endearing, well written character.

[Cee]

Spoiler

I don't think Lavellan and Max are comparable because Lavellan doesn't have the power to change something so drastically and isn't faced with a choice like that (at least not yet, we'll see when DA4 comes around).

As for Max's connections vs Lavellan's - although Lavellan has a lot more to lose, there are still other people in the world beyond their friends.

Although Chloe has a face, a name and personality she isn't really more important than 10000 faceless people or is a better person, she is however, very important to Max and a very endearing, well written character.

 

Right, I wasn't making a direct comparison. It's different. But still difficult. I'm kind of mixed, yet.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I wonder how it would've been if Solas was a playable character in a game series, like "The Dreamer" I, II & III. How would people then react to him?

 
Here was my two cents on player-centric morality from another thread:
 
 

As players, when placed in the position of responsibility, we frequently lie, cheat, manipulate, murder, and do any number of the things that Solas does.  We are perfectly happy to avenge betrayal with murder, as Solas did to Felassan.  We are capable of sabotaging the genophage cure to get krogan and salarian support, killing the geth, leaving entire species to die, setting the werewolves upon the Dalish, condoning Anders' acts of terrorism, and expressing viewpoints of astonishing racism and ethnocentrism...with relatively little self-examination or moral judgment, for the most part.  Count me in on this phenomenon; my maleficar Hawke in DA2 was completely without scruples, and my Warden in DA:O had a pretty significant selfish streak.
 
But when the position of responsibility belongs to a character other than the PC, we like to judge them.  Just look at all the crap that Loghain gets for defending his homeland.  We like to think that we would have done better in their shoes, simply because we play the heroes; in fact, we can do far, far worse.

 
So I think if Solas was a playable protagonist, people would react very differently.  Because they *do* react differently in other games when the character they play is the one doing bad things.  All of a sudden it goes from "you crazy evil loony" to "you had your reasons."

[Cee]

So I think if Solas was a playable protagonist, people would react very differently.  Because they *do* react differently in other games when the character they play is the one doing bad things.  All of a sudden it goes from "you crazy evil loony" to "you had your reasons."

 

That's partly why games can be both a real exercise in empathy and also, without consequences to these actions, miss the boat in that regard.  Which is why violence in games is often overlooked in terms of its consequences, though not as much in recent years.

[Uirebhiril]

 
 So I think if Solas was a playable protagonist, people would react very differently.  Because they *do* react differently in other games when the character they play is the one doing bad things.  All of a sudden it goes from "you crazy evil loony" to "you had your reasons."

 

I asked once in another thread what people would do if they learned that Solas is doing what he is because of millions of trapped ancient elves suffering or unable to wake because of the Veil, and if he doesn't act they'd die. If he acts, Thedas dies, but the elves live. What would they do in his position? Amazing how quickly people introduced reasons that made it all right for the ancient elves to die in favor of modern Thedas. But they totally didn't see his point of view, he's just a villain and a murderer. etc. etc.

 

I'm honestly good with people not liking Solas, or not agreeing with his plan. But pretending you're somehow in a better position to make choices like that and it doesn't make you likewise evil or questionable in your morals is ridiculous. I mean, certainly it could just come down to Solas's reason being "because I wanna" and nothing more involved, but not taking a step back and asking yourself these questions is kind of missing the point.

[Cee]

Of course, consequences can also be a deterrent. I'd never not kill Loghain, because I could never do that to Alistair.

[Shari'El]

A nice theory about the reason Max got her powers 

 

Spoiler

 

Now, on topic:

Solas Solas Solas Solas

[Sable Rhapsody]

I'm honestly good with people not liking Solas, or not agreeing with his plan. But pretending you're somehow in a better position to make choices like that and it doesn't make you likewise evil or questionable in your morals is ridiculous. I mean, certainly it could just come down to Solas's reason being "because I wanna" and nothing more involved, but not taking a step back and asking yourself these questions is kind of missing the point.

I agree that it's ridiculous if you're trying to be consistent about your morals.  Or act in any way like a normal person making RL choices.  But a lot of players are not as interested getting "the point."  They're interested in being right.

 

Generally speaking, people want the protagonist to win.  They want Harry Potter to be vindicated, Kirk to triumph over Khan, their favorite Game of Thrones character to sit on that ugly metal chair.  And it's magnified in video games since you actively drive the protagonist.  You want to have the moral high ground.  Even if you committed genocide multiple times in Mass Effect.  Even your Warden was a complete and utter asshat.  I've seen people argue that the morally dubious choices were the "correct" ones, and be upset when they weren't vindicated by the game.  Even more people get upset at games like Spec Ops: The Line, which makes it painfully clear that you are NOT the good guy.

 

IMO, this is a very human response to any story.  Is it rational?  No.  Does it miss the point?  Kinda, but it's such a knee-jerk emotional response that I'm not all that surprised by it.