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[Ellawynn]

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Latest chapter showed her admiring Solas for the fact that he kept on keeping on despite the situation. She sees the determination as a redeeming quality while no one else in her timeline did, really.

 

Also I think she likes that, in her words, "he’s always going to be the kind of person who stands up and acts."

 

So there's those things.

 

 

There are. There are those things. I'd like a bit more expansion on them, but it's definitely a start.

 

(Somewhat unrelated by LG related nonetheless)

 

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...The more I think about this, though, the more uncomfortable I get with it. All the mentions of how young he is, of the potential he has, of how she must shield him, how she tries to dispense wisdom and learning on him, how she praises him when he listens to her, even the way Pride clearly craves her approval - and she never displays that... malleability in return. It's less like two lovers coming together and more like a little boy desperately trying to win a parent's affection.

 

I think Lavellan establishing that same dependency on Pride just moved waaaay up my priority list. 

[Kadan]

There are. There are those things. I'd like a bit more expansion on them, but it's definitely a start.

 

(Somewhat unrelated by LG related nonetheless)

 

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...The more I think about this, though, the more uncomfortable I get with it. All the mentions of how young he is, of the potential he has, of how she must shield him, how she tries to dispense wisdom and learning on him, how she praises him when he listens to her, even the way Pride clearly craves her approval - and she never displays that... malleability in return. It's less like two lovers coming together and more like a little boy desperately trying to win a parent's affection.

 

I think Lavellan establishing that same dependency on Pride just moved waaaay up my priority list. 

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Maybe I'm way off base with this but I see it as a reverse of the Solavellan relationship. Pride thinks she is 3200 years old when they meet. He's what 200 or 400 I'm not sure because she had both ages in different chapters (but this is forgivable, she 's an amateur writer there will be mistakes, plot holes and discrepancies) Anyway, for an immortal elf that is considered young, very young. Haninan calls them all babies.

 

The Lavellan/Solas love is supposed to be timeless, real no matter what age or world they are in. They are going to find a connection. No relationship is free from either partner changing or growing during the years they are together. Some SO's even devolve depending on what life throws at them. Roles reverse and in strong healthy relationships they change with them. Yes he wants her approval, but I don't see him willing to compromise his moral principles to achieve that. I see a very young person with limited experience learning and growing through interactions with not just Lavellan but the other characters as well.

 

His world just got a whole lot bigger and he has no point of reference. Reminds me of most Lavellan's. The Dalish that has had limited experience with humans, or any other race that wasn't negative is suddenly thrust into the midst of Thedas and has to save everyone. So for now the roles are reversed. She has the experience he doesn't, yet she doesn't treat him as if he's a child, she does defer to him in a number of things and tells the reader the different qualities she admires about him. Take the last time he addressed the council. She was impressed with his insight and how his speech made them stop and think for a moment. She sees the qualities that are the same in both young and old and how those qualities shaped the Solas she fell in love with. She wants him to be the same man she loved, but she also doesn't. She torn on that.

 

What she doesn't see yet (because we don't see it when it is our relationship) Is that they are the same man, simply at different points in their life. No person goes through life completely unchanged unless they sit and stagnate. All experiences, interactions, events and people we meet shape us on a daily basis. It doesn't change who a person is fundamentally, but it does change how we view and react to things.

 

That her stories are being dissected to such a degree means she has done more than most writers. She has caused readers to think deeper than simply enjoying her story for a moments entertainment. Whether you like her characters or not she's made you feel something and that is what every writer wants.

 

[Raeona]

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Maybe I'm way off base with this but I see it as a reverse of the Solavellan relationship. Pride thinks she is 3200 years old when they meet. He's what 200 or 400 I'm not sure because she had both ages in different chapters (but this is forgivable, she 's an amateur writer there will be mistakes, plot holes and discrepancies) Anyway, for an immortal elf that is considered young, very young. Haninan calls them all babies.
 
The Lavellan/Solas love is supposed to be timeless, real no matter what age or world they are in. They are going to find a connection. No relationship is free from either partner changing or growing during the years they are together. Some SO's even devolve depending on what life throws at them. Roles reverse and in strong healthy relationships they change with them. Yes he wants her approval, but I don't see him willing to compromise his moral principles to achieve that. I see a very young person with limited experience learning and growing through interactions with not just Lavellan but the other characters as well.
 
His world just got a whole lot bigger and he has no point of reference. Reminds me of most Lavellan's. The Dalish that has had limited experience with humans, or any other race that wasn't negative is suddenly thrust into the midst of Thedas and has to save everyone. So for now the roles are reversed. She has the experience he doesn't, yet she doesn't treat him as if he's a child, she does defer to him in a number of things and tells the reader the different qualities she admires about him. Take the last time he addressed the council. She was impressed with his insight and how his speech made them stop and think for a moment. She sees the qualities that are the same in both young and old and how those qualities shaped the Solas she fell in love with. She wants him to be the same man she loved, but she also doesn't. She torn on that.
 
What she doesn't see yet (because we don't see it when it is our relationship) Is that they are the same man, simply at different points in their life. No person goes through life completely unchanged unless they sit and stagnate. All experiences, interactions, events and people we meet shape us on a daily basis. It doesn't change who a person is fundamentally, but it does change how we view and react to things.
 
That her stories are being dissected to such a degree means she has done more than most writers. She has caused readers to think deeper than simply enjoying her story for a moments entertainment. Whether you like her characters or not she's made you feel something and that is what every writer wants.
 

Absolutely, it is her great triumph that this conversation has been going on for days now. I would give anything for such an analysis of my own stuff, even if the verdict was that it sucked. I can't speak for the others but as i said earlier, i say this out of love. I dont spend my few days off analysing fanfction i don't enjoy.

[Ellawynn]

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Maybe I'm way off base with this but I see it as a reverse of the Solavellan relationship. Pride thinks she is 3200 years old when they meet. He's what 200 or 400 I'm not sure because she had both ages in different chapters (but this is forgivable, she 's an amateur writer there will be mistakes, plot holes and discrepancies) Anyway, for an immortal elf that is considered young, very young. Haninan calls them all babies.

 

The Lavellan/Solas love is supposed to be timeless, real no matter what age or world they are in. They are going to find a connection. No relationship is free from either partner changing or growing during the years they are together. Some SO's even devolve depending on what life throws at them. Roles reverse and in strong healthy relationships they change with them. Yes he wants her approval, but I don't see him willing to compromise his moral principles to achieve that. I see a very young person with limited experience learning and growing through interactions with not just Lavellan but the other characters as well.

 

His world just got a whole lot bigger and he has no point of reference. Reminds me of most Lavellan's. The Dalish that has had limited experience with humans, or any other race that wasn't negative is suddenly thrust into the midst of Thedas and has to save everyone. So for now the roles are reversed. She has the experience he doesn't, yet she doesn't treat him as if he's a child, she does defer to him in a number of things and tells the reader the different qualities she admires about him. Take the last time he addressed the council. She was impressed with his insight and how his speech made them stop and think for a moment. She sees the qualities that are the same in both young and old and how those qualities shaped the Solas she fell in love with. She wants him to be the same man she loved, but she also doesn't. She torn on that.

 

What she doesn't see yet (because we don't see it when it is our relationship) Is that they are the same man, simply at different points in their life. No person goes through life completely unchanged unless they sit and stagnate. All experiences, interactions, events and people we meet shape us on a daily basis. It doesn't change who a person is fundamentally, but it does change how we view and react to things.

 

That her stories are being dissected to such a degree means she has done more than most writers. She has caused readers to think deeper than simply enjoying her story for a moments entertainment. Whether you like her characters or not she's made you feel something and that is what every writer wants.

 

 

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I agree with a lot of what you're saying - but the council thing. Even at the time I thought "Wow Lavellan, that sounded kind of condescending. You gonna give him a dog treat and a pat on the head, too?" It's such a weird thing because she does sound genuinely awed and admiring in the moment before. And the thing about Pride seeming so submissive to Lavellan because she has experience where he does not - that applies in reverse too, though. She's in a world that she's only heard stories of, that she has no real experience with. Pride should be invaluable as someone who can lead her through it, and his guidance could be what she gets out of the relationship, just as he gets her wisdom and guidance from it as well. To this point, though, that exchange has been entirely one-sided. 

 

Feynite just seems so afraid of having Lavellan appear weak or vulnerable or wrong in any way, but it's needed to put her on equal footing with Pride. I'm hoping that, when she finally tells him about Solas and her world, that maybe she'll open up as he has, and she'll realize that, in a lot of ways, he's just as competent and experienced as she is - in some matters, even more so. That Lavellan (And sometimes, it seems to me, Feynite herself) so rarely acknowledge this was a big issue for me in DWH, and I just keep going back to that specter suspicion that Feynite wants her Lavellan to be the most competent and awesome and badass, and she'll undermine other characters - most egregiously Solas - to do it. 

 

...Maybe, then, that encompasses my entire problem with Feynite's Lavellan in general, in both Looking Glass AND Dread Wolf's Heart - it doesn't feel like she treats Lavellan and Solas equally. It feels like their relationship - with each other, with the story itself - is often unbalanced and, at times, blatantly tipped in favor of Lavellan, to the detriment of Solas (And Pride) as a believable, capable character (Or atleast, someone as capable as Lavellan). Since I'm obviously reading for Solas, it's... not very pleasing, to put it mildly.

 

...Wish I'd realized that when I first started getting into this debate...

[Ellawynn]

Absolutely, it is her great triumph that this conversation has been going on for days now. I would give anything for such an analysis of my own stuff, even if the verdict was that it sucked. I can't speak for the others but as i said earlier, i say this out of love. I dont spend my few days off analysing fanfction i don't enjoy.

I mean, I really did enjoy it. But I also have a nasty habit of over-analyzing everything. Including things I hate. Sometimes especially things I hate. 

 

Like I said, I get accused of being overly logical FAR more often than I get accused of being overly emotional.

 

Also, I mean, what the hell else is there to do at four in the morning when you're procrastinating work?

[Tess]

Shameless self-promo, 'coz I worked on this chapter through sweat and blood and still unsure about it. Chapter 14 (don't fret! My chapters are short!) of my little fic is out in the open, feel free to criticize. Also, my husband is talking me out of putting smut in. Hmm. Mull, mull.

 

Also, jawline. Angles are sexy.

http://courtneysuper...las-an-close-up

[Raeona]

I mean, I really did enjoy it. But I also have a nasty habit of over-analyzing everything. Including things I hate. Sometimes especially things I hate. 
 
Like I said, I get accused of being overly logical FAR more often than I get accused of being overly emotional.
 
Also, I mean, what the hell else is there to do at four in the morning when you're procrastinating work?

I pull things apart because i find the cogs that run the fancy facade facinating. And its this or watch rugby or finish my own jolly chapter of contrived fanfic. Criticism is easier than creation and im not in the mood for rugby.

[ChuChu]

 

Also, jawline. Angles are sexy.

 

So true. Who needs hair when you have a jawline like that? 

[Shari'El]

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I agree with a lot of what you're saying - but the council thing. Even at the time I thought "Wow Lavellan, that sounded kind of condescending. You gonna give him a dog treat and a pat on the head, too?" It's such a weird thing because she does sound genuinely awed and admiring in the moment before. And the thing about Pride seeming so submissive to Lavellan because she has experience where he does not - that applies in reverse too, though. She's in a world that she's only heard stories of, that she has no real experience with. Pride should be invaluable as someone who can lead her through it, and his guidance could be what she gets out of the relationship, just as he gets her wisdom and guidance from it as well. To this point, though, that exchange has been entirely one-sided. 

 

Feynite just seems so afraid of having Lavellan appear weak or vulnerable or wrong in any way, but it's needed to put her on equal footing with Pride. I'm hoping that, when she finally tells him about Solas and her world, that maybe she'll open up as he has, and she'll realize that, in a lot of ways, he's just as competent and experienced as she is - in some matters, even more so. That Lavellan (And sometimes, it seems to me, Feynite herself) so rarely acknowledge this was a big issue for me in DWH, and I just keep going back to that specter suspicion that Feynite wants her Lavellan to be the most competent and awesome and badass, and she'll undermine other characters - most egregiously Solas - to do it. 

 

...Maybe, then, that encompasses my entire problem with Feynite's Lavellan in general, in both Looking Glass AND Dread Wolf's Heart - it doesn't feel like she treats Lavellan and Solas equally. It feels like their relationship - with each other, with the story itself - is often unbalanced and, at times, blatantly tipped in favor of Lavellan, to the detriment of Solas (And Pride) as a believable, capable character (Or atleast, someone as capable as Lavellan). Since I'm obviously reading for Solas, it's... not very pleasing, to put it mildly.

 

...Wish I'd realized that when I first started getting into this debate...

 

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I've yet to read TDWH but all of the things you wrote so far I saw in Looking Glass.

I really like her setting, it's creative but I also, for example, felt it's too much to have Solas be responsible for the Blight and that Pride is too far away from Solas personality-wise. While Pride as a character is quite cute - he's just that - cute, he feels too childish although he has almost 1000 years of experience in his arsenal (if I remember correctly he was a spirit for longer than he is an elf) and that detracts from the romance (also, for some reason I have issues with the concept of Pride blushing at age 400 but maybe that's just because I keep expecting to see Solas in Pride).

 

I think the imbalance may come from the same thing that makes people hate Solas - after his big reveal a lot of people were mad at him because he played them, players don't like it when their character, the protagonist, the hero, isn't in control or is being used. By the end of Trespasser we were shown by Solas how flawed the Inquisition is and if the sense of betrayal wasn't enough we then got to learn that Solas employed spies within the Inquisition for who knows how long.

It feels to me like this is being mirrored throughout "Looking Glass", I have no idea if the (im)balance of powers is on purpose (to parallel Lavellan x Solas in game) or it's just something that the author wrote in while being affected by these emotions but to me it feels like that is the root of it.

I could be wrong, of course

 

I do like the series - the writing's really good and her ideas about the blight and dwarven society are very interesting, but it doesn't prevent me from seeing the flaws in the story and characters.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

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Maybe I'm way off base with this but I see it as a reverse of the Solavellan relationship. Pride thinks she is 3200 years old when they meet. He's what 200 or 400 I'm not sure because she had both ages in different chapters (but this is forgivable, she 's an amateur writer there will be mistakes, plot holes and discrepancies) Anyway, for an immortal elf that is considered young, very young. Haninan calls them all babies.

 

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From what I understand, the role reversal is entirely on purpose. The group being set up in the past is meant to mirror the Inner Circle of Inquisition. Saw a tumblr post where she said as much.

 

Haninan is Varric, the funny man with with the nicknames, stories and nuggets of wisdom. And as of chapter 12, I think he's possibly fulfilling Iron Bull's role too, of the veteran whose seen too much bloodshed.

 

Curiosity is Cassandra, the author's twist on the concept of a "seeker of truth" b/c that's what being curious is.

 

I assume that Hildur is the pariah motif of Dorian, acting against her people's norms and general wishes in the hopes of saving them.

 

Solas is the Inquisitor: idealistic, out to save his world (Mythal/Elvhenan from the earthquakes) while unaware he's being led on a much more complicated and far reaching quest, all while falling for this person who showed up when it turned out they needed her and who is currently acting as his guide/advice giver when it comes to fulfilling his objective (peace with the dwarves/safety of Elvhenan). All while she also challenges his world view and, by her attitude and existence, invites him to question things he believed without examination before (i.e. Who really counts as people?)

 

Lavellan is currently Solas pre-reveal, the jaded one who's seen too much, whose world has been destroyed and she blames herself for it. The one who has knowledge and perspective the others can't have. The one who's on her own mission. And the one who, up until this point, has been lying through omission to the group. 

 

And the Solavellan is developing to mimic this, too. A lot of people play their Lavellans with Solas starting as a bit of a mentor, a person they seek the approval of. Not to the compromising of their own principles, but indeed someone whose advice they value and heed and whose good opinion they seek.

 

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Feynite just seems so afraid of having Lavellan appear weak or vulnerable or wrong in any way, but it's needed to put her on equal footing with Pride. I'm hoping that, when she finally tells him about Solas and her world, that maybe she'll open up as he has, and she'll realize that, in a lot of ways, he's just as competent and experienced as she is - in some matters, even more so. That Lavellan (And sometimes, it seems to me, Feynite herself) so rarely acknowledge this was a big issue for me in DWH, and I just keep going back to that specter suspicion that Feynite wants her Lavellan to be the most competent and awesome and badass, and she'll undermine other characters - most egregiously Solas - to do it. 

 

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Kinda have to disagree. Lavellan's appeared vulnerable multiple times throughout the fic. Especially in the latest chapter (12). 

[Ardent Blossom]

How come our player character can never be as interesting as a well-written NPC? I get that there is always headcanon to make the character interesting, but I want to play a complex character in the game. It seems that the personalities are still mainly mr. nice, miss funny, and mr. direct/aggressive. I guess once in a while you get the sad options or confused options, but I don't know. I want to play as a mysterious cunning person and that seems hard to pull off. Maybe I'm just not selecting the right choices.

 

 

yeah, it would be pretty difficult to do. What I really want is to start off the game in my character's origins. I remember the whole game wishing I could see clan Lavellan x-x 

 

It would allow for more characterization, but without being too limiting. 

 

the origins were one of my favorite parts from DA:O x-x

 

RE All of these things. 

 

Origins was far superior in the role playing department than all of the other Bioware games I've played. Your PC could be darned interesting. The reasons being, the wide assortment of playable origin stories (which were not on-the-rails nearly as much as the beginning of DA2--heck they even had some mini-romances in them if you were into that) and also the branching dialogue trees. Back then we had more to choose from than just paragon, witty, and renegade. Once you started down a dialogue path you couldn't necessarily go back either. Your character could even be a stupid troll that couldn't stop talking about griffons if you wanted. BioWare used to build more player character development into their games.

 

My city elf who was kidnapped and conscripted into the Grey Wardens on what was supposed to be her wedding day provided a unique experience for me as a player. I found her much more interesting than Hawke and to some extent my Lavellan. The only thing that really makes my Lavellan interesting (unless I totally headcanon everything) is her relationship with Solas...which is pretty sad. That's the way BioWare games are now. All the RPG elements have been streamlined making each play through and each player character less unique. I still love the games, but they used to be better RPGs.

[Eivuwan]

I mean, I really did enjoy it. But I also have a nasty habit of over-analyzing everything. Including things I hate. Sometimes especially things I hate. 

 

Like I said, I get accused of being overly logical FAR more often than I get accused of being overly emotional.

 

Also, I mean, what the hell else is there to do at four in the morning when you're procrastinating work?

 

Looking Glass reactions

 

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This is the way I see it. Characters' reactions to events and relationships cannot always be rational. If you can put yourself into Lavellan's shoes and put your logical brain aside you may be able to understand better why the author wrote the relationships the way she wrote it. On the other hand, as good of a writer Feynite is, she's still new at this and she doesn't seem to have an editor or a beta so some things are going to escape her notice. I think she has already done a good job of not allowing her personal fantasies to overly color the work.

 

Some writers overly describe their Lavellans or give them such an extreme personality that makes their Lavellans hard to relate to. Feynite does not even give her Lavellan a first name. However, we are all limited by our life experiences and perspectives so personal biases are going to make their way into the work. Her descriptions of Solas as being young and inexperienced and of Lavellan being the wise one may be a reaction to our frustrations in the game of how smug, stubborn, and knowledgeable Solas is. I think a lot of players want to put Solas in his place, but were not able to do it in the game so it comes out in fanfiction. Maybe she overdid it and made the relationship too uneven, but it's still better than a lot of the other fanfics that I've read on the Solas Lavellan relationship. For example, some writers make Lavellan look like a teenager in love with an all-knowing God and some writers make the relationship way too angsty. I will take cute Solas over constantly brooding Solas everyday. Solas was sometimes gloomy in the game, but he wasn't like that allll the time.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Your character could even be a stupid troll that couldn't stop talking about griffons if you wanted. BioWare used to build more player character development into their games.

In fairness to DA2, Hawke really wants to be a dragon.

[Illyria]

I am sad she can't give specifics -- I was so curious how spot on her headspace is. xD

 

I don't think I could do that here. All the baristas are total nerds and would know the subject too well to make it fun.

 

I didn't get this at first. I thought.. like what? There's no phones allowed in a bat mitzvah? Then I remembered. I grinned xxx core.

 

Solas can relate.
 

Solas can probably also relate.

 

DROSO I HEAR YOU'RE GOOD AT GIVING FEEDBACK. What's a girl gotta do to get some?

 

I feel like your post should end with 'and now for the weather.'

 

The fact that I was playing a PS2 in Cee's dream is pretty freaky - it's the only sony console I own.  I have never mention that here, or to Cee in private.

[Illyria]

About his nose though

 

just freaking 

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look at

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it

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it's f*cking glorious 

 

(I like it too much) 

 

I read that in Calin's voice.
 

[Illyria]

Thank you The relative lack of angst makes it easier to write than, say, canon Solavellan.

I'll extend the same offer here that I made on the writer's group. I can do quick first passes on fic drafts for basic grammar, punctuation, etc. It wouldn't be for content or with the detail of a dedicated beta, but I can catch little mistakes quickly.

 

I tried joining the writing group but I don't know if that went through.
 

[S.W.]

I read that in Calin's voice.

I can never not read the word 'glorious' in anything but his voice now.


Top of the page Solas:

Source

[Flemmy]

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And while I am at it a song:

 

I thought the song quit fit with Solas and Lavellan.

[Illyria]

Gideon Emery is another one whose voice does nothing for me. Then again, in terms of DA2 romance options, neither did Adam Howden and I went for Anders.

 

Gideon Emery's voice is beautiful but Adam Howden's actually repulsed me.

 

[S.W.]

Updated Fear & Trembling. Content warning for discussion of suicide in this chapter.
 

Gideon Emery's voice is beautiful but Adam Howden's actually repulsed me.

I missed Greg Ellis so much for Anders. He brought out the humour in Anders' character, whereas Adam Howden just made half of his jokes fall flat on the floor, and is nowhere near as nice to hear as Ellis' voice. I'm slightly bitter he voiced Cullen, of all people, instead.

[Cee]

I feel like your post should end with 'and now for the weather.'

 

The fact that I was playing a PS2 in Cee's dream is pretty freaky - it's the only sony console I own.  I have never mention that here, or to Cee in private.

 

Well, that is pretty odd.    It was one of the few times something struck me in the dream as standing out for being out of place. You were in Haven with Solas but were on PS2 and chiding me for such an old setup. 

 

 

I tried joining the writing group but I don't know if that went through.
 

 

You're in there. I approved all who joined.

 

 

Gideon Emery's voice is beautiful but Adam Howden's actually repulsed me.

 

I like Gideon Emery and his voice does stand out but when I think about it, none of the LIs voices did anything for me in DA2. Adam Howden took a lot of getting used to for a while, initially. I missed Greg Ellis too. I wonder what he would've brought to Anders in DA2 if they let him. Still, I think he's satisfied with Cullen.
 

[MayriyaNoori]

Now that I've shared it, I see so many things wrong. XD It would help if I looked at references. *cough* I'm a terrible person. 

 

Thank you though!

If you mean to say you are terrible for using references you're not.

 

Artist of the highest levels use references. It's not cheating. There are examples everywhere of famous paintings and works that were all done with references whether it was a picture or model. My mother is a painter and I have seen her use references in all her work.

 

Sorry if this was a mini rant/tangent thing. This is just one of those weird ticks with me. I mean, the way I see it art is an interpretation of reality through some medium.

 

I fail to see how one can interpret reality without a reference to it.

 

Whatever reference an artist needs, that's up to them.

 

K, rant over.

 

Morning thread!

[Sable Rhapsody]

I like Gideon Emery and his voice does stand out but when I think about it, none of the LIs voices did anything for me in DA2. Adam Howden took a lot of getting used to for a while, initially. I missed Greg Ellis too. I wonder what he would've brought to Anders in DA2 if they let him. Still, I think he's satisfied with Cullen.

I quite liked Adam Howden, but I'm also in the minority who liked both DAA and DA2 Anders. Howden's Anders was less funny and more fiery, which I thought worked with the whole spirit possession thing.

[MayriyaNoori]

*sips coffee*

 

Alrighty.....time to pick up where we left off getting Lavellan laid.

 

*sits down in writing corner of Blanket Fort*

[Cee]

I quite liked Adam Howden, but I'm also in the minority who liked both DAA and DA2 Anders. Howden's Anders was less funny and more fiery, which I thought worked with the whole spirit possession thing.

 

I liked both, and agree that the shift was appropriate for DA2. To me, it was like going from Mass Effect to Mass Effect 2. Everything feels different, you waver between okay and disliking it, and then it simply takes time to adjust.