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[TheEggCrusher]

So, was Solas a former evanuris that disagreed with their methods or was he a common citizen of Arlathan until he rose to fame as leader of the rebellion?

Both, I think. 

 

But very different from the others, purely because he wasn't "the first of his people" like he says the other Evanuris were. 

 

This probably meant he had less power and did not/ does not have absolute immortality, as is said he lacks in Trespasser codexes. 

 

He probably was considered an Evanuris, but wasn't truly one, politically and biologically/physically. That's how I see it, anyways. 

[Ardent Blossom]

Both, I think. 

 

But very different from the others, purely because he wasn't "the first of his people" like he says the other Evanuris were. 

 

This probably meant he had less power and did not/ does not have absolute immortality, as is said he lacks in Trespasser codexes. 

 

He probably was considered an Evanuris, but wasn't truly one, politically and biologically/physically. That's how I see it, anyways. 

Well, you've given me reason to load up a pre-end game save. I must have missed that about him being physically different than the other Evanuris in the codex entries. I wish those worked with the golden nug.

[NightSymphony]

Found this Solas' Wolf Jawbone necklace for only $14. I bought one...I had to. :-P  I have spent more money on Solas related items than I have ever spent on any other fictional character. Pretty soon, I'll be dressing like a hobo as well since I'll have no money left.

 

https://www.etsy.com...p_home_active_1

[Cee]

There's a followup to that post about Dorian I linked to, now also with Solas appearance.

 

http://fuckyeahvarri...requested-bonus

[TheEggCrusher]

Well, you've given me reason to load up a pre-end game save. I must have missed that about him being physically different than the other Evanuris in the codex entries. I wish those worked with the golden nug.

It's basically the whole "I'm mortal, too" speal.

 

But the thing is, no ancient elf was "mortal," at least in our definition of the word.

 

They viewed "immortal" as being beyond eternal life. I think it meant that you can't be killed.

 

So Solas saying he's mortal is basically him saying I'm not "the first of our people," I'm not an Evanuris. I can be killed like anyone else.

 

What's really interesting though, is why the Evanuris can't be killed, and how this plays into them being "the first"  

 

(crazy theory, could they not be killed in the same way the archdemons can't? maybe they're more connected than we think )

[S.W.]

Josie/Isabela.

 
*falls off chair*

Yes.
 
That is too perfect why have I never thought of that before? Josie the swan princess and Isabela the swashbuckling rogue. Thing is, Isabela doesn't immediately start off as a rogue with a heart of gold, so it'd wouldn't just be a straightforward courtship either - which could be super interesting to see. Also, they're both both two of the most gorgeous characters in the series so...

[Kadan]

Wat. Who even thinks that's okay. Wat.

 Right? So there is an ongoing investigation, but she will not have to go back to his class. Sucks because he is the art teacher and she loves art. It evidently started out as joking on his part, but the guy has been asked numerous times by her to not touch her at all. This time he got mad about it, yelled at her, and scared the crap out of her. Now they just have to track down the girl that was standing outside the door listening to him yell at her when he held her after class and dismissed the rest of them. This is when he grabbed her arm forcefully enough to cause a sore spot, but not hard enough to visibly bruise.

[Cee]

It's basically the whole "I'm mortal, too" speal.

 

But the thing is, no ancient elf was "mortal," at least in our definition of the word.

 

They viewed "immortal" as being beyond eternal life. I think it meant that you can't be killed.

 

So Solas saying he's mortal is basically him saying I'm not "the first of our people," I'm not an Evanuris. I can be killed like anyone else.

 

What's really interesting though, is why the Evanuris can't be killed, and how this plays into them being "the first"  

 

(crazy theory, could they not be killed in the same way the archdemons can't? maybe they're more connected than we think )

 

My interpretation was that the Evanuris were 'recruited' at different times, which is reflected in the stories like Andruil inviting the experimenter into the group. Like Ghilly got invited to the adult dinner table. Where and when Solas left the kiddie table is still unknown. He never directly says he's mortal, and Weekes answers "Spoilers".

 

He said that about "the first of my people do not die so easily", I took as strength, power, and greater levels of experience. Not that they could never be killed. There are plenty of immortals in fantasy and sci-fi who would just live and also have appearance remain but be killed via very few methods.

 

He also says "we were immortal", and "we" includes the person talking. So no, I don't think he was less immortal than the others before all of this.

 

"We were" with its past tense and coming after talking about beginning to age could just now mean a very long lifespan in the absence of the Fade everywhere. It could mean mortal now, but there could also possibly be some exceptions for ancient elves. Uthenera is healing and sustaining.

[Ardent Blossom]

It's basically the whole "I'm mortal, too" speal.

 

But the thing is, no ancient elf was "mortal," at least in our definition of the word.

 

They viewed "immortal" as being beyond eternal life. I think it meant that you can't be killed.

 

So Solas saying he's mortal is basically him saying I'm not "the first of our people," I'm not an Evanuris. I can be killed like anyone else.

 

What's really interesting though, is why the Evanuris can't be killed, and how this plays into them being "the first"  

 

(crazy theory, could they not be killed in the same way the archdemons can't? maybe they're more connected than we think )

Hmm...well if he knew that the Evanuris were truly immortal (meaning they could not die ever) why did he go so crazy when Mythal was "murdered"? Or why was he surprised that Mythal still lingered? I wonder if he assumed Mythal to be like a spirit--meaning that when she "died" she might reform but wouldn't remember him. So...he was just angry that Mythal would not be the same Mythal he knew? 

Now I wonder why Solas was ever considered one of the Pantheon if he wasn't "immortal" as they were. I suppose this gives credence to the theory that Solas is wrong about the Evanuris...that they actually are gods. I don't know. I doubt "THEY" even know. 

[TheEggCrusher]

 Right? So there is an ongoing investigation, but she will not have to go back to his class. Sucks because he is the art teacher and she loves art. It evidently started out as joking on his part, but the guy has been asked numerous times by her to not touch her at all. This time he got mad about it, yelled at her, and scared the crap out of her. Now they just have to track down the girl that was standing outside the door listening to him yell at her when he held her after class and dismissed the rest of them. This is when he grabbed her arm forcefully enough to cause a sore spot, but not hard enough to visibly bruise.

Wow ... he sounds like a complete *sshole. That's really not ok. Sadly, though, I doubt he'll be fired, if he has tenure. 

 

As a kid, we had a sexual harasser at my school. He also was a christian fanatic and read us the bible everyday, at a public school. To top it all off, he'd make fun of the other kids for their religions, and cultures, and then preached that he was sent by god to help us learn and I guess ... convert us to christianity?? (I swear to got I'm not exaggerating) edit: btw my whole school was full of a lot of foreigners. Tons of Muslims and Hindus and Jews. It was really insulting. He made a lot of kids cry. 

 

And he never got fired. No matter how many little girls he predatored on he never got fired. 

 

Some laws have changed where I am though (california), so its easier to fire teachers. Even if they haven't where you are, I would go total mama-bear on his a*s. As well as on the heads of the school if they're not doing anything. Sounds like they are though, so that's good. 

 

But still ... mama bear. I kinda wanna hear that you almost made him sh*t his pants, just because he sounds like such a terrible guy. Never underestimate motherly instincts 

[TheEggCrusher]

Hmm...well if he knew that the Evanuris were truly immortal (meaning they could not die ever) why did he go so crazy when Mythal was "murdered"? Or why was he surprised that Mythal still lingered? I wonder if he assumed Mythal to be like a spirit--meaning that when she "died" she might reform but wouldn't remember him. So...he was just angry that Mythal would not be the same Mythal he knew? 

Now I wonder why Solas was ever considered one of the Pantheon if he wasn't "immortal" as they were. I suppose this gives credence to the theory that Solas is wrong about the Evanuris...that they actually are gods. I don't know. I doubt "THEY" even know. 

There's probably some way for them to "die" in a sense. But even after she died, she still survived, in a way. That probably takes some serious power to prevent your spirit from being pulled through the fade and to the "Thedas Heaven" that all souls apparently go to. 

[Kadan]

Wow ... he sounds like a complete *sshole. That's really not ok. Sadly, though, I doubt he'll be fired, if he has tenure. 

 

As a kid, we had a sexual harasser at my school. He also was a christian fanatic and read us the bible everyday, at a public school. To top it all off, he'd make fun of the other kids for their religions, and cultures, and then preached that he was sent by god to help us learn and I guess ... convert us to christianity?? (I swear to got I'm not exaggerating)

 

And he never got fired. No matter how many little girls he predatored on he never got fired. 

 

Some laws have changed where I am though (california), so its easier to fire teachers. Even if they haven't where you are, I would go total mama-bear on his a*s. As well as on the heads of the school if they're not doing anything. Sounds like they are though, so that's good. 

 

But still ... mama bear. I kinda wanna hear that you almost made him sh*t his pants, just because he sounds like such a terrible guy. Never underestimate motherly instincts 

I actually haven't been able to speak to him, it's been with the School District Superintendent and her very tall, very sexy single principle. (seriously it should be a crime for a teacher/principle to be so damn hot. And my daughter would totally love to have him for a step dad  )

 

He has been a teacher forever, and has a history of being handsy as well as a flat out perv. My sister is 35 and had him for art in 7th grade, she shudders every time she hears his name. So yes he has tenure and has been protected because he's the only art teacher willing to teach middle school.

[S.W.]

So, was Solas a former evanuris that disagreed with their methods or was he a common citizen of Arlathan until he rose to fame as leader of the rebellion?

My impression was that the Evanuris were not physically distinct from the rest of the elves, but merely powerful members of their race (possibly of an aristocratic background anyway) who distinguished themselves in trying times, and thus became culturally distinct - viewed as gods. From having thousands of slaves at their disposal I imagine they have been able to hoard a large amount of power and became quickly impossible to challenge asides from by another Evanuris. The 'god' stuff is likely propaganda. All of the Evanuris fall into both categories.

As for Solas, my gut instinct - although it hasn't really been backed up yet - is to say no, he wasn't ever formally part of the pantheon.

A few small reasons: the symbol of the pantheon is an eight-sided star, which you see in multiple trespasser murals, likely symbolising all eight gods - Fen'Harel would be the ninth, and likely isn't included there. Secondly, if Fen'Harel was an evanuris that had 'turned', I think the gods would have treated his actions as to being more like a traditional war and given him more respect. That scenario probably wouldn't match the depiction in the propaganda codex we see in Trespasser, where Fen'Harel is a wild animal circled by the Evanuris, proclaiming 'Beware!' as if he literally is a dog. Also, I personally doubt he would have managed to gather as much support from the lower classes and been as dangerous if his dissent was generally perceived as a horizontal conflict - evanuris vs. evanuris, which usually means sacrificing their lives meaninglessly for the gods' gain - rather than a vertical conflict - the slaves vs. the gods, which threatens to knock down the structure of society.

So I don't think Solas was ever formally inducted into the pantheon. Fen'Harel was obviously recognised as a worthy threat and well known enough that in the shattered library, ordinary citizens were able to specify him as the cause of the veil being formed.

[TheEggCrusher]

I actually haven't been able to speak to him, it's been with the School District Superintendent and her very tall, very sexy single principle. (seriously it should be a crime for a teacher/principle to be so damn hot. And my daughter would totally love to have him for a step dad  )

 

He has been a teacher forever, and has a history of being handsy as well as a flat out perv. My sister is 35 and had him for art in 7th grade, she shudders every time she hears his name. So yes he has tenure and has been protected because he's the only art teacher willing to teach middle school.

He sounds a lot like the one from over here. There's probably not much you can do besides get your daughter away from him x-x 

 

Also, please yell at him. Or at least slightly raise your voice. Or don't. But it would kinda be like you were yelling at my old teacher too .... they're basically the same person anyways. And I want to yell at him so bad 

 

(hehe you have a crush on the principle XD imagine explaining that to your daughter) 

[S.W.]

My interpretation was that the Evanuris were 'recruited' at different times, which is reflected in the stories like Andruil inviting the experimenter into the group. Like Ghilly got invited to the adult dinner table. Where and when Solas left the kiddie table is still unknown. He never directly says he's mortal, and Weekes answers "Spoilers".
 
He said that about "the first of my people do not die so easily", I took as strength, power, and greater levels of experience. Not that they could never be killed. There are plenty of immortals in fantasy and sci-fi who would just live and also have appearance remain but be killed via very few methods.
 
He also says "we were immortal", and "we" includes the person talking. So no, I don't think he was less immortal than the others before all of this.
 
"We were" with its past tense and coming after talking about beginning to age could just now mean a very long lifespan in the absence of the Fade everywhere. It could mean mortal now, but there could also possibly be some exceptions for ancient elves. Uthenera is healing and sustaining.

I'd agree with this point of view.

I always imagine Mythal had done a Voldemort and probably had some horocrux-esque death-defying items kicking around - hence, her ability to survive as less than nothing in the fade until Flemeth found her (or Mythal found Flemeth). It would make sense that the Evanuris would have expected conflict that drastic and prepared for their death.


What I'd be interested to know, separate of this - do you reckon there are any groups of elves who weren't part of the empire? Surely if it was as awful as it seemed, there would have been rebels on the margins, even if insignificant ones?

[Kadan]

He sounds a lot like the one from over here. There's probably not much you can do besides get your daughter away from him x-x 

 

Also, please yell at him. Or at least slightly raise your voice. Or don't. But it would kinda be like you were yelling at my old teacher too .... they're basically the same person anyways. And I want to yell at him so bad 

 

(hehe you have a crush on the principle XD imagine explaining that to your daughter) 

Believe me if I get the chance to confront him I have a few choice words for him.

 

And yes, I have a crush on my daughters Principle   She's actually cool with it, it's my crush on Solas she has issues with

[Cee]

This discussion is giving me feels again.

 

Of course this winds up on top.

 

Edit:

 

 

 

 He has been a teacher forever, and has a history of being handsy as well as a flat out perv. My sister is 35 and had him for art in 7th grade, she shudders every time she hears his name. So yes he has tenure and has been protected because he's the only art teacher willing to teach middle school.

 

I had a teacher like this in elementary. A gym teacher who was completely sexist, never let a girl do anything to help or lead, didn't pick on us to answer stuff or when we volunteered to move equipment or anything. And would yell at and belittle us a lot.

extra details

Spoiler

 

And when I fell and badly sprained my ankle, he was on yard duty, and he kept yelling at me to speak up or something when I hopped over for help, in tears. I was 9. It took another teacher to come over and actually help and get my family called.

 

Later, in middle school, I was dragged up the stairs and down the hall and then shoved into a classroom by the principal. (Meanwhile, the reason I was not in my class was I was dealing with severe anxiety and panic from bullying....shoving a child into a class doesn't help).

Both of these men were teaching for many decades. One, I found out died this year. The other is in his 70s and retired. I hope the newer generations are not resorting to these methods. And I really hope you can find a resolution for your daughter.
 

[TheEggCrusher]

Believe me if I get the chance to confront him I have a few choice words for him.

 

And yes, I have a crush on my daughters Principle   She's actually cool with it, it's my crush on Solas she has issues with

so does my whole family ....

 

*coughcough*I'mnotobsessedIpromise*cough* 

[Kadan]

This discussion is giving me feels again.

 

 

I had a teacher like this in elementary. A gym teacher who was completely sexist, never let a girl do anything to help or lead, didn't pick on us to answer stuff or when we volunteered to move equipment or anything. And would yell at and belittle us a lot.

extra details

Spoiler

 

And when I fell and badly sprained my ankle, he was on yard duty, and he kept yelling at me to speak up or something when I hopped over for help, in tears. I was 9. It took another teacher to come over and actually help and get my family called. Later, in middle school, I was dragged up the stairs and down the hall and then shoved into a classroom by the principal. (Meanwhile, the reason I was not in my class was I was dealing with severe anxiety and panic from bullying....shoving a child into a class doesn't help).

Both of these men were teaching for many decades. One, I found out died this year. The other is in his 70s and retired. I hope the newer generations are not resorting to these methods. And I really hope you can find a resolution for your daughter.
 

No, no, can't stuff you back in the bad feels corner. Think of silly plots and obscure pen names.

 

I kind of like this one....

 

Having recently been plagued by visions, the main character must fight to protect what they love when they learn of a dragon that steadily grows in power that must be stopped at all costs.

 

And to make her more believable she has a few flaws.....

 

Your character has problems with nightmares, wants nothing to do with failure, and can't stand being incredibly good looking.

Also has recurrent dreams about something in the future.

[Qun00]

My impression was that the Evanuris were not physically distinct from the rest of the elves, but merely powerful members of their race (possibly of an aristocratic background anyway) who distinguished themselves in trying times, and thus became culturally distinct - viewed as gods. From having thousands of slaves at their disposal I imagine they have been able to hoard a large amount of power and became quickly impossible to challenge asides from by another Evanuris. The 'god' stuff is likely propaganda. All of the Evanuris fall into both categories.

As for Solas, my gut instinct - although it hasn't really been backed up yet - is to say no, he wasn't ever formally part of the pantheon.A few small reasons: the symbol of the pantheon is an eight-sided star, which you see in multiple trespasser murals, likely symbolising all eight gods - Fen'Harel would be the ninth, and likely isn't included there. Secondly, if Fen'Harel was an evanuris that had 'turned', I think the gods would have treated his actions as to being more like a traditional war and given him more respect. That scenario probably wouldn't match the depiction in the propaganda codex we see in Trespasser, where Fen'Harel is a wild animal circled by the Evanuris, proclaiming 'Beware!' as if he literally is a dog.

Also, I personally doubt he would have managed to gather as much support from the lower classes and been as dangerous if his dissent was generally perceived as a horizontal conflict - evanuris vs. evanuris, which usually means sacrificing their lives meaninglessly for the gods' gain - rather than a vertical conflict - the slaves vs. the gods, which threatens to knock down the structure of society.So I don't think Solas was ever formally inducted into the pantheon. Fen'Harel was obviously recognised as a worthy threat and well known enough that in the shattered library, ordinary citizens were able to specify him as the cause of the veil being formed.

Yeah, it makes sense that Solas being an original member of the pantheon wouldn't work for the story.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Yeah, it makes sense that Solas being an original member of the pantheon wouldn't work for the story.

 

And the distortion of his story parallels very nicely with the whole Herald of Andraste business, especially for a skeptical Dalish quizzy.

[Wulfram]

Fen'Harel was clearly honoured in temples to the Evanuris (Dirthamen as well as Mythal) though, as well as having a bunch of statues in the Fade Library thing.

[Cee]

I'm in the feels corner for multiple reasons, but thinking about Solas' history and all that was only a part of it. Though in calling the Evanuris the adult table and the rest of the Elvhen the kiddie table, I amused myself. I think I'll have to keep using that.

 

This cosplay. http://frostfyrezero...s-in-line-xd

 

[drosophila]

I'm in the feels corner for multiple reasons, but thinking about Solas' history and all that was only a part of it. Though in calling the Evanuris the adult table and the rest of the Elvhen the kiddie table, I amused myself. I think I'll have to keep using that.

 

That's some really good cosplay. 

 

And I can keep you company in the feels corner. I think I'm parked there for as long as I work on my outline. Oh, look, there's a dead goat nearby!

[Tess]

Had a DA dream.

 

Lavellan suffered extreme nightmares and kept on being tempted by demons in her dreams after the defeat of Coryphenis, and after Solas' disappearance.

Being the dreamwalker he is he tried to help her and somehow... she accidentally caused him to die within the Fade and he became a tranquil. The end.

 

My dreams suck.