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The Curse of the Milky Door A Horror Story
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Whilst investigating the death of a local locksmith, a brave assassin called Nirwen Lavellan uncovers a legend about a supernaturally-cursed, milky door circulating throughout Orlais. As soon as anyone uses the door, he or she has exactly 394 days left to live.

 

The doomed few appear to be ordinary people during day to day life, but when photographed, they look friendly. A marked person feels like a spry mouse to touch.

Nirwen gets hold of the door, refusing to believe the superstition. A collage of images flash into her mind: a flamboyant nug balancing on a determined locksmith, an old newspaper headline about a rolled by a cheese wheel accident, a hooded bogfisher ranting about lips and a drinking well located in a vacant place.

 

When Nirwen notices her lungs have mouse-like properties, she realises that the curse of the milky door is true and calls in her lover, a baker called Solas , to help.

 

Solas examines the door and willingly submits himself to the curse. He finds that the same visions flash before his eyes. He finds the flamboyant nug balancing on a determined locksmith particularly chilling. He joins the queue for a supernatural death.

 

Nirwen and Solas pursue a quest to uncover the meaning of the visions, starting with a search for the hooded bogfisher. Will they be able to stop the curse before their time is up?

 

Praise for The Curse of the Milky Door
"This is actually pretty scary. I'll never be able to look at another milky door for as long as I live."
- The Daily Tale
"Oh please! There's nothing scary about a flamboyant nug balancing on a determined locksmith. Are we supposed to feel spooked?"
- Enid Kibbler
"The hooded bogfisher really freaked me out."
- Hit the Spoof
"I hope Nirwen and Solas get married."
- Zob Gloop

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Uh http://dragonageconf...andth-person-to

 

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Give up their markings and themselves to Solas....what?

 

:rolleyes:

 

Someone missed the whole "freedom" thing (if you do it - but also just in his comments if you didn't)?

 

 

.... not really sure what's the issue? I've always considered removing the vallaslin as a gift of ultimate trust to Solas from Lavellan; there were hardly any questions or doubts. She very likely believes that he wouldn't lie about something so important for the Dalish AND lets him fire an unknown spell that might have as well deformed her face or left her blind (and that's aside from the whole "what's wrong with your face!?" the next time she sees her family/some Dalish).

 

So yes, they do give up their markings as a sign of deep trust. Thing is that they're free to decide to do it. Solas won't begrudge Lavellan who decides otherwise.


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"I hope Nirwen and Solas get married."
- Zob Gloop

 

 

And so a fictional critic joins Solavellan hell.



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.... not really sure what's the issue? I've always considered removing the vallaslin as a gift of ultimate trust to Solas from Lavellan; there were hardly any questions or doubts. She very likely believes that he wouldn't lie about something so important for the Dalish AND lets him fire an unknown spell that might have as well deformed her face or left her blind (and that's aside from the whole "what's wrong with your face!?" the next time she sees her family/some Dalish).

 

So yes, they do give up their markings as a sign of deep trust. Thing is that they're free to decide to do it. Solas won't begrudge Lavellan who decides otherwise.

 

It's the 'give up themselves' part that some of us take issue with.



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And so a fictional critic joins Solavellan hell.

 

It was inevitable.


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It's the 'give up themselves' part that some of us take issue with.

 

Because it implies passivity? Eh, dunno about that - from my perspective both parties have to give up/surrender something of themselves to be in committed relationship (though obviously I don't mean it in any sort of extreme or literal way). Heck, Solas was one step away from giving himself up to Lavellan...


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I got an idea for a fan fiction, and I figured I'd run is past you all before I actually work on it. Would any of you read a Solavellan story inspired by Dickens' A Christmas Carol? I'm picturing Solas in the Scrooge role with spirits instead of ghosts, and of course it wouldn't be Christmas. 

 

I'm down!


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I got an idea for a fan fiction, and I figured I'd run is past you all before I actually work on it. Would any of you read a Solavellan story inspired by Dickens' A Christmas Carol? I'm picturing Solas in the Scrooge role with spirits instead of ghosts, and of course it wouldn't be Christmas.


I demand Cole in there somewhere.

Just kidding, it's your work so you roll how you want, but I dig this idea.
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Some time ago I saw a thread stating that Solas' fear of "dying alone" is rather about his desire to bring his people back than loneliness in the romantic sense.

What do you guys think?

It's basically the whole "I'm mortal, too" speal.

But the thing is, no ancient elf was "mortal," at least in our definition of the word.

They viewed "immortal" as being beyond eternal life. I think it meant that you can't be killed.

So Solas saying he's mortal is basically him saying I'm not "the first of our people," I'm not an Evanuris. I can be killed like anyone else.

What's really interesting though, is why the Evanuris can't be killed, and how this plays into them being "the first"

(crazy theory, could they not be killed in the same way the archdemons can't? maybe they're more connected than we think ;) )


I think it has more to do with how all elves lost their immortality after the creation of the Veil, including Solas himself.
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I demand Cole in there somewhere.

Just kidding, it's your work so you roll how you want, but I dig this idea.

I demand it too. I already planned on Cole making an appearance around the middle.  ;)


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*pops in*

 

School and illness has been keeping me away, but this must be known to all!

 

The Dread Pomeranian. Pom’harel, the Adorable Lord of the Tricksters must become a thing in the Solas fan community.

 

Spoiler

 

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Some time ago I saw a thread stating that Solas' fear of "dying alone" is rather about his desire to bring his people back than loneliness in the romantic sense.
What do you guys think?

I think it has more to do with how all elves lost their immortality after the creation of the Veil, including Solas himself.


Well........I thought it might have something to do with his plan of tearing down the Veil. Whenever he explains his plans, Solas uses words like 'may' and 'might' because even though he knows a lot, he doesn't know everything. His theory is that tearing down the Veil will kill off everyone in the physical world, he says that. Then we find out that the spirits are fleeing because they are scared of his plan, Cole says that. And of course, he could kill himself in the process, I mean who knows right?

So basically, Solas is scared of that moment of tearing down the Veil. He will be all alone, because even the spirits don't want to be near him when it happens, and there is probably a chance he kills himself in the process of reshaping the fabric of space and time.
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Some time ago I saw a thread stating that Solas' fear of "dying alone" is rather about his desire to bring his people back than loneliness in the romantic sense.

What do you guys think?


*crawls hesitantly out to the edge of the feels corner. This seems like an opportunity to share feels.*

Yes, I think it's not so much about physically dying alone, or even the idea of dying itself. But he's one of the last survivors of his people. If he dies alone, no one will even be left to remember the past the way it happened. He doesn't want it to end all with him.

My grandmother's very old and lives in this very rural house. Hers is a somewhat different way of life than the modern one. So one day she said to me, 'Who's going to live in this house when I die? They'll probably demolish it. '

That kind of reminds me of how Solas thinks. The world has changed completely and he's one of the last people holding on to the old. He admits he's tired of fighting, but if he stops, he's just admitting everything he ever loved is gone now.
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*crawls hesitantly out to the edge of the feels corner. This seems like an opportunity to share feels.*

Yes, I think it's not so much about physically dying alone, or even the idea of dying itself. But he's one of the last survivors of his people. If he dies alone, no one will even be left to remember the past the way it happened. He doesn't want it to end all with him.

My grandmother's very old and lives in this very rural house. Hers is a somewhat different way of life than the modern one. So one day she said to me, 'Who's going to live in this house when I die? They'll probably demolish it. '

That kind of reminds me of how Solas thinks. The world has changed completely and he's one of the last people holding on to the old. He admits he's tired of fighting, but if he stops, he's just admitting everything he ever loved is gone now.

This is also a very good explanation.

 

What's crazy is that it's Solas.....so both can fit together and it works.



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This is also a very good explanation.

What's crazy is that it's Solas.....so both can fit together and it works.


Agreed. Part of the beauty of how he's written. He's such a multi-faceted character.
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Interrupting your day with this song again because I love it and it should be the theme song for the Legion of the Dead in my opinion. Because lately, the more I sit and think about it, the Legion of the Dead are some of the most boss people in Thedas.

 

I mean really.

 


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Some time ago I saw a thread stating that Solas' fear of "dying alone" is rather about his desire to bring his people back than loneliness in the romantic sense.

What do you guys think?


I think it has more to do with how all elves lost their immortality after the creation of the Veil, including Solas himself.

 

I have to admit, when I first saw 'dying alone' on Solas' tombstone, I thought it was sweet and unexpected. This is back when I was convinced that Solas was just an awkward fade nerd and didn't actually have any personal stake in things; it was a reflection of a need for companionship that he hadn't received so far. (The more I think on it, the more I really miss that character).

 

Reflecting on it, I think 'dying alone' seem a little out of character if interpreted in the romantic sense for Solas. Revelations about his character have taught us that any personal relationships - including with the Inquisitor - come second to his political ambitions to restore the people. That will always be his top priority. So I like the interpretation that it's more to do with the realisation that he's failed. It makes even more sense when you consider that he doesn't view most people in Thedas as people - he literally alone, even when surrounded by them, during the events of Inquisition, if you take that definition to heart.

 

 

ooh, top:

 

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This thread gets me into so much trouble with the kidlett. She asks me constantly what is so funny. I have to tell her "it's a bit above your pay grade."

"What does that even mean?" "It means you are too young to understand." "Please? Just tell me!" "When your older, monkey, when your older." (she's not yet 10)

My son does the same thing:

 

"What so funny?"

"You lack the context to understand."

"What's context?"

"Exactly."


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Interrupting your day with this song again because I love it and it should be the theme song for the Legion of the Dead in my opinion. Because lately, the more I sit and think about it, the Legion of the Dead are some of the most boss people in Thedas.

 

I mean really.

 

 

Sitting here open jawed. How did someone manage to take one of my favourite fight songs from DA and make it better?

 

Seriously, I know a lot of people hate the deep roads because they're long, but they're still one of the most atmospheric levels bioware's put together in dragon age - out of all the deep roads sequences over all three games, DA:O is still my favourite.


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Sitting here open jawed. How did someone manage to take one of my favourite fight songs from DA and make it better?

 

Seriously, I know a lot of people hate the deep roads because they're long, but they're still one of the most atmospheric levels bioware's put together in dragon age - out of all the deep roads sequences over all three games, DA:O is still my favourite.

 

It's not the length, it's the spiders. :P


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I have to admit, when I first saw 'dying alone' on Solas' tombstone, I thought it was sweet and unexpected. This is back when I was convinced that Solas was just an awkward fade nerd and didn't actually have any personal stake in things; it was a reflection of a need for companionship that he hadn't received so far. (The more I think on it, the more I really miss that character).

 

Reflecting on it, I think 'dying alone' seem a little out of character if interpreted in the romantic sense for Solas. Revelations about his character have taught us that any personal relationships - including with the Inquisitor - come second to his political ambitions to restore the people. That will always be his top priority. So I like the interpretation that it's more to do with the realisation that he's failed. It makes even more sense when you consider that he doesn't view most people in Thedas as people - he literally alone, even when surrounded by them, during the events of Inquisition, if you take that definition to heart.

 

Um, just because something is a priority doesn't mean that it completely overrides his fear of dying alone and forgotten. Many times during the game Solas remarks how some things are necessary to be done - Ameridan, for example, sacrificed everything he had in order to stop Hakkon. But don't you think he'd prefer to live peacefully with Telana in Halamshiral? He even admitted that he never wanted to be Inquisitor, but... well, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. 

 

Solas, being a pragmatist, utilitarian and someone driven by both compassion and remorse, sees that and acts on behalf of his people. Therefore his personal wants or fears don't matter in the big picture, no matter how badly he'd want someone to be with him, or remember Solas, instead of Fen'Harel. It's pretty much the epitome of personal sacrifice.


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Sitting here open jawed. How did someone manage to take one of my favourite fight songs from DA and make it better?

 

Seriously, I know a lot of people hate the deep roads because they're long, but they're still one of the most atmospheric levels bioware's put together in dragon age - out of all the deep roads sequences over all three games, DA:O is still my favourite.

I know. And that mash up is just so perfect for fighting never ending hoards of Darkspawn.



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I have to admit, when I first saw 'dying alone' on Solas' tombstone, I thought it was sweet and unexpected. This is back when I was convinced that Solas was just an awkward fade nerd and didn't actually have any personal stake in things; it was a reflection of a need for companionship that he hadn't received so far. (The more I think on it, the more I really miss that character).

 

Reflecting on it, I think 'dying alone' seem a little out of character if interpreted in the romantic sense for Solas. Revelations about his character have taught us that any personal relationships - including with the Inquisitor - come second to his political ambitions to restore the people. That will always be his top priority. So I like the interpretation that it's more to do with the realisation that he's failed. It makes even more sense when you consider that he doesn't view most people in Thedas as people - he literally alone, even when surrounded by them, during the events of Inquisition, if you take that definition to heart.

 

Agreed, but there does seem a personal element to it to me. In that Solas is remorseful and alone in his position because of his guilt and grief. He's also painted to be a monster or at least has had some very terrible PR against him both from the ancients and the gremlins.

 

When he does connect with someone and comes soooo close to taking that connection and running with it, he opts for some sort of self-sacrificing atonement.

 

But he craves connection, he wants to help, he doesn't want to be ostracized. The fact he was Solas first and could be Solas with the Inquisition and be that person we meet, even forging some connections (even with his struggle to view them as people, I think he still learns some things and changes a bit but ultimately rejects them).

 

Still, I can't help but think that the desire to connect, that if he has to do all of this, that he fears dying alone not merely due to failure, but he's pushing down that other side of himself because he thinks whatever he's doing is for the greater good for the People.

 

Like most things Solas, it's layered.

 

And also sad.


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Many times during the game Solas remarks how some things are necessary to be done - Ameridan, for example, sacrificed everything he had in order to stop Hakkon. But don't you think he'd prefer to live peacefully with Telana in Halamshiral? He even admitted that he never wanted to be Inquisitor, but... well, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. 
 
Solas, being a pragmatist, utilitarian and someone driven by both compassion and remorse, sees that and acts on behalf of his people. Therefore his personal don't matter in the big picture, no matter how badly he'd want form someone to be with him, or remember Solas, instead of Fen'Harel. It's pretty much the epitome of personal sacrifice.

 
I agree with all of this. I think Solas has stepped into the role he has out of necessity more than desire, with some reluctance.

However, I think the point where he'd stop and think, 'hey, if I hadn't pretended this problem existed, and instead settled down with a wife and kids, wouldn't that be better?' is probably long past him (and Solas would likely know that scenario would have been impossible anyway, had he not acted in the way he did). He's resigned into the role he's made for himself now, and I think he believes he's long past the point of turning back.

I can't imagine Solas ever expected to fall in love again or die with someone else. I would imagine it's a complete surprise. Hence why it's a slightly odd choice of ultimate fear when interpreted in a *purely* romantic sense.
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It's not the length, it's the spiders. :P

 

Its not the spiders, they're just in one section of the Deep Roads. Its the gigantic mass of darkspawn that are clustered in one area and dogpile you to death. Oh, and ogres. Fighting two orges at once and shrikes.

 

I have to admit, when I first saw 'dying alone' on Solas' tombstone, I thought it was sweet and unexpected. This is back when I was convinced that Solas was just an awkward fade nerd and didn't actually have any personal stake in things; it was a reflection of a need for companionship that he hadn't received so far. (The more I think on it, the more I really miss that character).

 

Reflecting on it, I think 'dying alone' seem a little out of character if interpreted in the romantic sense for Solas. Revelations about his character have taught us that any personal relationships - including with the Inquisitor - come second to his political ambitions to restore the people. That will always be his top priority. So I like the interpretation that it's more to do with the realisation that he's failed. It makes even more sense when you consider that he doesn't view most people in Thedas as people - he literally alone, even when surrounded by them, during the events of Inquisition, if you take that definition to heart.

 

 

ooh, top:

 

have some smiling mage companions. Three for the price of one!

 

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I remebering seeing one person post on tumbler that they believe it means he's afraid of being abandoned as he's dying because everyone thinks he's a monster. But I think your interpretation is more likely.