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[Mlady]

Hmm... I can see where you're coming from with that, but betrayal isn't a word that only describes villainous people or situations with ill intent. I agree that the Anders situation was without a doubt a betrayal made worst by his manipulations but this doesn't put Solas in the clear. No matter his warnings (which he doesn't give to a friend) or his motivations Solas is breaking that unsaid contract that comes with any close relationship. He betrays your trust, your friendship, and your organization through his dishonesty, the way he misleads you, and his immoral actions... and planned immoral actions. I'm not saying he betrayed you as an end all for his character. There is still the possibility and hope for redemption, but his past transgressions shouldn't be glossed over or sugar coated just because he's trying to fix things or his motivations are genuine. 

 

http://dictionary.re...browse/betrayal

Solas hits at least three of those^

 

No I get what you mean, but Solas never said he would be by your side forever. Never promised his loyalty eternally. He simply said he was there to stop this and that was that and when it was over he would not forget what everyone did. I guess when I think of betrayal, I think of an un-hardened Alistair saying he will be with you forever, then because you are not a noble, he dumps you and takes the crown.

[TheEggCrusher]

Personally I really can't handle smut, especially when there is a dom!character that takes control. It makes me scared, and extremely uncomfortable.

 

All this dominate smut talk is kind of making me have a bit of anxiety. I'm not saying it's anyone's fault, but I'm extremely sensitive to it, as well as have been having a mental imbalance lately where my emotions fling from one side of the spectrum to the other from nothing much. 

 

I might leave the thread for a bit. I'm not good at handling things like this (and it's not even that bad x-x) 

[Eivuwan]

No I get what you mean, but Solas never said he would be by your side forever. Never promised his loyalty eternally. He simply said he was there to stop this and that was that and when it was over he would not forget what everyone did. I guess when I think of betrayal, I think of an un-hardened Alistair saying he will be with you forever, then because you are not a noble, he dumps you and takes the crown.

 

Not everything has to be spelt out and spoken. There are implicit social rules about what constitutes friendship, a romantic relationship, etc.

[MayriyaNoori]

It's her destiny.

[MayriyaNoori]

Personally I really can't handle smut, especially when there is a dom!character that takes control. It makes me scared, and extremely uncomfortable.

 

All this dominate smut talk is kind of making me have a bit of anxiety. I'm not saying it's anyone's fault, but I'm extremely sensitive to it, as well as have been having a mental imbalance lately where my emotions fling from one side of the spectrum to the other from nothing much. 

 

I might leave the thread for a bit. I'm not good at handling things like this (and it's not even that bad x-x) 

I suppose we could take the talk to the smut thread.

 

I apologize. I really tried to keep my terrible brain quiet of this stuff here.

 

I'll put the filter on for a few days.

 

Or just post in the actual smut thread.

[drosophila]

Actually would pay to see that omfg that sounds amazing.

 

Rivalmance finally done right. (Or beautiful hate sex, at least).

 

finally? 

[S.W.]

Personally I really can't handle smut, especially when there is a dom!character that takes control. It makes me scared, and extremely uncomfortable.
 
All this dominate smut talk is kind of making me have a bit of anxiety. I'm not saying it's anyone's fault, but I'm extremely sensitive to it, as well as have been having a mental imbalance lately where my emotions fling from one side of the spectrum to the other from nothing much. 
 
I might leave the thread for a bit. I'm not good at handling things like this (and it's not even that bad x-x)

Have a kitty hug:



I am sorry. I hope you feel better soon falon.

[Mlady]

Not everything has to be spelt out and spoken. There are implicit social rules about what constitutes friendship, a romantic relationship, etc.

 

That's why I don't see Solas as someone who betrayed you. His actions and reactions show he had never planned any of this to happen, but he's at a loss as to what to do now that he is pushing through with his plans despite the kinship formed.

[S.W.]

finally? 

Okay, okay, Sophia/Solas obviously comes first. If saying that means you'll write smut faster, then fine

(I'm kidding, I love Stealth).

[drosophila]

Personally I really can't handle smut, especially when there is a dom!character that takes control. It makes me scared, and extremely uncomfortable.

 

All this dominate smut talk is kind of making me have a bit of anxiety. I'm not saying it's anyone's fault, but I'm extremely sensitive to it, as well as have been having a mental imbalance lately where my emotions fling from one side of the spectrum to the other from nothing much. 

 

I might leave the thread for a bit. I'm not good at handling things like this (and it's not even that bad x-x) 

 

Don't leave. OK, let's take this to the smut thread. I'm sorry. And have a hug!

[Cee]

Personally I really can't handle smut, especially when there is a dom!character that takes control. It makes me scared, and extremely uncomfortable.

 

All this dominate smut talk is kind of making me have a bit of anxiety. I'm not saying it's anyone's fault, but I'm extremely sensitive to it, as well as have been having a mental imbalance lately where my emotions fling from one side of the spectrum to the other from nothing much. 

 

I might leave the thread for a bit. I'm not good at handling things like this (and it's not even that bad x-x) 

 

*hugs*

 

 

 

[Eivuwan]

That's why I don't see Solas as someone who betrayed you. His actions and reactions show he had never planned any of this to happen, but he's at a loss as to what to do now that he is pushing through with his plans despite the kinship formed.

 

It doesn't matter what he intended. It matters what he did. No one is saying that the betrayal makes him a horrible unredeemable person.

[drosophila]

Okay, okay, Sophia/Solas obviously comes first. If saying that means you'll write smut faster, then fine

(I'm kidding, I love Stealth).

 

Thanks. Oh, it's smut you want! (There will be some in the latest chapter!)

[Tess]

Personally I really can't handle smut, especially when there is a dom!character that takes control. It makes me scared, and extremely uncomfortable.

 

All this dominate smut talk is kind of making me have a bit of anxiety. I'm not saying it's anyone's fault, but I'm extremely sensitive to it, as well as have been having a mental imbalance lately where my emotions fling from one side of the spectrum to the other from nothing much. 

 

I might leave the thread for a bit. I'm not good at handling things like this (and it's not even that bad x-x) 

Sorry, that wasn't my aim at all.

(But it actually reinforces my husband's point and my idea of excluding anything graphic of that manner from my fic... will mull over that!)

 

Here, something I carry around as a theme song for Bookkeeper totally cheesy.

 

[Mlady]

It doesn't matter what he intended. It matters what he did. No one is saying that the betrayal makes him a horrible unredeemable person.

 

I just think betrayal is not the right word. I would say he mislead and probably out of fear. Perfect proof is when he expects you to recoil in horror at romancing the Dread Wolf and you can shout at him that you wanted him to trust you. His silent reaction basically says he goofed big time.

[Uirebhiril]

 

Lol that was not all he meant when he said that about seeing it dominated. It was his flirty reply that had a hidden meaning. He likes to do that. Again that proves he likes to be in charge. He always adds more to the flirt than you and it makes your PC squirm.

 

Funny thing is, the mage one has the biggest hint of attraction, but the other ones are compliments that can make him seem interested in any race. He told my Trevelyan her grace was an enjoyable side benefit. That could be taken wrong. I feel the recycled dialogue kind of ruins the flirting at that point.

 

All that proves is you have a personal opinion about the scene, not that it's actually what he feels or is like. Just like the rest of us. And while we might discuss it that doesn't make it any more a fact regardless of our opinions. I don't particularly see him as the dominating type myself. Being confident doesn't automatically mean dominant.

 

And doesn't he also speak about training one's will to other races? It's only when you pursue the thought with the flirt line that he flirts back for any of his class-specific dialogues, and only for a female elf. And yes, I agree with folks about the rogue flirt. Hot damn was that a pleasant surprise.

[Eivuwan]

I just think betrayal is not the right word. I would say he mislead and probably out of fear. Perfect proof is when he expects you to recoil in horror at romancing the Dread Wolf and you can shout at him that you wanted him to trust you. His silent reaction basically says he goofed big time.

 

I have to disagree. I think his actions betrayed the trust of the Inquisitor whether the relationship is leader/subordinate, friendship, or romantic. The Inquisitor's goal was to stop Corypheus and close the breach for the purposes of saving the world. You would expect your subordinate/friend/lover to share the same goal and not have the plan to destroy it this whole time.

[TheEggCrusher]

Thanks for you guys being so nice  

 

I'm going to go write. It'll make me feel better 

[Mlady]

I have to disagree. I think his actions betrayed the trust of the Inquisitor whether the relationship is leader/subordinate, friendship, or romantic. The Inquisitor's goal was to stop Corypheus and close the breach for the purposes of saving the world. You would expect your subordinate/friend/lover to share the same goal and not have the plan to destroy it this whole time.

 

Well we all won't see eye to eye and my real life changes my view greatly on the word I guess, because after my real life betrayals, I will always forgive Solas for trying to save his people. His first goal was to stop Cory and we did that, then his second goal was to right a wrong he made. Just like in the future Redcliffe when we wipe it because to us it should never have happened. I will never forgive the slime who abused and stalked me for their own attentions though. Some lovers, others 10 year friendships. Never again.

[FernRain]

So I was playing ESO and found an eluvian:
 

 

Now I'm gonna start translating the daedric around it..

[NeverlandHunter]

 

I just thought about it all in all - both relationship and bed. The fic I am trying to muster up has a non-Inquisitior to be with him, and hence I was trying to figure out the power play there. Yes, I know dominance is nuanced, as is anything. I myself live in a relationship as such (where the guy has only a dash bit of dominance in some matters... Arabs, hmh) since I simply sweep the floor with anyone I feel as too much equal or even more timid (I am not timid. I am dominant myself.) than I am. That never ended well, and I'd just use and throw the guy like an old paper. Yes, I am a very nice person.   

But it made me realize I never really saw this aspect of Solas explored well. Though, it does, admittedly, have nothing in common with the game. 

Well as the lovely Drosophila said a relationship having dominance, when done right, can still be an equal relationship. But that's only when both people are 100% willing and understanding of the power play. If the person you're with bothers you with his dominant actions or assumes that he should be dominant without even consulting you that's bleck in my opinion.

...

Disclaimer: Has very little actual relationship experience 

 

It seems that my formulation is misleading a lot of people. When I talk of dominance, I don't talk BDSM. At all. Normal, usual, average in that manner. I was just baffled how so many people refuse the idea of him being the leading partner in relationship. (not bed! Although........... wrong trail of thoughts, uhm.)

But I suppose that might be the culprit.  As Anariel points out below ->

Well I gave my reasons for why I don't think that would work for the Inquisitor, but for an original character why not? Solas could take a more leading role in a relationship, and there are plenty of people in healthy, happy relationships where one person is the "leader". Some people don't like making decisions, and some people actually like being told what to do and like being taken care of. My Social Problems professor told us that his wife gives him an allotted amount of money to spend every week. For me I'd be like "heck no!" to that, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work for them in a healthy and non abusive way. My professor doesn't like worrying about finances or how much he should or shouldn't spend so he leaves it to his wife to decide. Mutual agreement for shifts in power. As long as it's consensual I see nothing wrong with it and I think people are too willing to judge just because it's out of their comfort zone. 

[Eivuwan]

Well we all won't see eye to eye and my real life changes my view greatly on the word I guess, because after my real life betrayals, I will always forgive Solas for trying to save his people. His first goal was to stop Cory and we did that, then his second goal was to right a wrong he made. Just like in the future Redcliffe when we wipe it because to us it should never have happened. I will never forgive the slime who abused and stalked me for their own attentions though. Some lovers, others 10 year friendships. Never again.

 

His goal all along was to bring down the veil and destroy this world in order to restore/save the ancient elves. Having to stop Corypheus was just a hiccup in his overall plans. The Hush Whispers quest is not a good comparison because there is a difference between actively killing a bunch of people and causing a reality to never have existed. I am not saying that Solas is evil, but let's not gloss over the severity of what he has done and what he is planning to do.

[Mlady]

His goal all along was to bring down the veil and destroy this world in order to restore/save the ancient elves. Having to stop Corypheus was just a hiccup in his overall plans. The Hush Whispers quest is not a good comparison because there is a difference between actively killing a bunch of people and causing a reality to never have existed. I am not saying that Solas is evil, but let's not gloss over the severity of what he has done and what he is planning to do.

 

I'm comparing how we saw it to how Solas sees Thedas, not how we obliterate it. I always place myself in another's shoes and I can't blame him for what he wants to do when you look at all the hell and the already dying world. I'm sure there's a less dramatic way to fix things and we'll discover it, but something's got to give soon. I can feel it.

[Eivuwan]

I'm comparing how we saw it to how Solas sees Thedas, not how we obliterate it. I always place myself in another's shoes and I can't blame him for what he wants to do when you look at all the hell and the already dying world. I'm sure there's a less dramatic way to fix things and we'll discover it, but something's got to give soon. I can feel it.

 

Solas never said that he's doing this because the world is hell and it's dying. Everything so far has point to him saying that he needed to do this for the Elvhen. I mean, I can put myself in his shoes, but there is empathy and there is being "objective" for the lack of a better word. The things he has done and are planning to do are not any less horrible because he has good intentions or because he felt he had no other choice.

 

Edit: Anyway, I am going to sleep.

[Tess]

 

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