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And everything went quiet again for the night.

 

That or everyone is totally absorbed in their writing.


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And everything went quiet again for the night.

 

That or everyone is totally absorbed in their writing.

 

Heh, I wish. I was eating ice cream and chickening out of starting my fic. 


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And everything went quiet again for the night.

 

That or everyone is totally absorbed in their writing.

 

I'm trying to Witcher.  Sucking marginally less at it now; for some reason, I have a lot of trouble with group combats, especially the ambush scenarios.  Maybe it's just me, but it seems like there's a stagger mechanic when Geralt gets hit.  So he stands around like an idiot for five seconds before switching weapons  :rolleyes:


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And everything went quiet again for the night.

 

That or everyone is totally absorbed in their writing.

 

I suddenly felt sad so couldn't do the fluff yet after all and then decided to cook 'dinner' at 1am, like one does. :rolleyes:

 

I have really nice smoky black beans and rice at the moment, at least.


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And everything went quiet again for the night.

 

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I just finished writing 2150 words for the day. And finally met my goal for once! Yay me! Of course it's completely different than what I started with yesterday but I like the direction this one is taking much better. Zevran even made a short appearance.  :D


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I'm trying to Witcher.  Sucking marginally less at it now; for some reason, I have a lot of trouble with group combats, especially the ambush scenarios.  Maybe it's just me, but it seems like there's a stagger mechanic when Geralt gets hit.  So he stands around like an idiot for five seconds before switching weapons  :rolleyes:

Yeah, the combat in 1 is a little...off.   :P

Specialize in Group Steel and Aard, especially if you're still in Chapter 1. Then branch out to Igni and Group Silver, and drop points in Fast and Strong when available. And of course, get your basic Oil and Alchemy skills.

 

Witcher 3 sometimes still struggles with Geralt fighting mixed opponents and trying to switch between steel and silver swords. The end result is usually Geralt sailing through the air to punch a werewolf in the mouth...and then getting one-shotted in return.  :lol:



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Yeah, the combat in 1 is a little...off. :P
Specialize in Group Steel and Aard, especially if you're still in Chapter 1. Then branch out to Igni and Group Silver, and drop points in Fast and Strong when available. And of course, get your basic Oil and Alchemy skills.

Witcher 3 sometimes still struggles with Geralt fighting mixed opponents and trying to switch between steel and silver swords. The end result is usually Geralt sailing through the air to punch a werewolf in the mouth...and then getting one-shotted in return. :lol:


Cheers, Caddius :) I'd worked out that crafting potions is important, but a lot of the other mechanics are a bit hazy. Lighting people on fire has been fun, but IMO that's true for any RPG :P
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I just finished writing 2150 words for the day. And finally met my goal for once! Yay me! Of course it's completely different than what I started with yesterday but I like the direction this one is taking much better. Zevran even made a short appearance:D

 

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I Greatly Approve

He was a surprise. A pleasant one, but unplanned.



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That's pretty much what I got from everything I've read. And honestly, he feels more like an anti hero than a villian. I just get the sense something is going to happen, maybe about half way through DA4 where it turns out what he's going to do is going to unleash something much worse, or his plan is going to go horribly awry and give the others an opening to strike back.

There just seem to be too many unanswered question for dropping the Veil to be so straightforward I suppose.

I hate cliffhangers.

 

My nightmare is that he does turn into a full-on villain, it becomes apparent that there was never any real hope and all the time you spent getting to know and love him was purely to make things 10000 x more sad. We're all familiar with the sad villain trope, but of course we don't think of Solas as a villain, we think of him as a friend/loved one and that's a special kind of torture by design. I have to say I personally deal with this 'your friend turns to the dark side' thing very badly, by which I mean I get really upset by it. Sometimes the rug gets pulled out from under you and you're left with the idea that character you liked was mostly imaginary. Sometimes it just really hurts to see someone with a good heart lose their way, like with Leliana if she gets hardened, or Bastila (who I seriously cried over even though I didn't romance her). With Solas it was a combination of both these hells, and sometimes I wasn't sure which.

 

It's not impossible that the big threat we're expecting turns out not be the real threat. That's kind of what happened in DAI and the mage-templar war. But I don't see this happening with Solas and the Veil - for one thing, that seems like a bit of a cop-out. What makes this whole conflict so painful/riveting is that his willingness to sacrifice everything makes us question who he really is as a character. We don't know all the details yet, so we're not sure just how far gone or how ruthless we can say he is. Even if something Much Worse appears, they still need to answer that question. If they don't, we will all stay in this hell forever and the Blanketfort will need to start handing out citizenships or something. :P


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And everything went quiet again for the night.

 

That or everyone is totally absorbed in their writing.

 

Shepard demanded I write for her and I don't have the nerve to disagree. 

 

 

It's not impossible that the big threat we're expecting turns out not be the real threat. That's kind of what happened in DAI and the mage-templar war. But I don't see this happening with Solas and the Veil - for one thing, that seems like a bit of a cop-out. What makes this whole conflict so painful/riveting is that his willingness to sacrifice everything makes us question who he really is as a character. We don't know all the details yet, so we're not sure just how far gone or how ruthless we can say he is. Even if something Much Worse appears, they still need to answer that question. If they don't, we will all stay in this hell forever and the Blanketfort will need to start handing out citizenships or something. :P

 

I hope they don't follow the Mage-templar was template. That was such a disappointment, and I wasn't even onboard with the war to begin with, it was just disappointing to see such a huge plot thread shoved under the carpet. The fact that Solas got the last DLC pretty much dedicated to him makes it unlikely though, Bioware have a habit of introducing major plot pieces in previous game's DLC (and it's intensely frustrating, I didn't play DA2:Legacy or ME2:Arrival so I got to be outside the loop twice, despite playing both games.)

 

The major theme they're keeping with Thedas is 'old things waking up and breaking things'. Starting with the archdemon and pretty much everything since, and Solas personifies that more than anyone. It would be down right wasteful to not make the most out of him. But maybe that's just my fear talking. Be gentle with me, Bioware, I've been hurt before. 



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And everything went quiet again for the night.

 

That or everyone is totally absorbed in their writing.

 

I made another Cole art. He makes me happy:

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I'm trying to Witcher.  Sucking marginally less at it now; for some reason, I have a lot of trouble with group combats, especially the ambush scenarios.  Maybe it's just me, but it seems like there's a stagger mechanic when Geralt gets hit.  So he stands around like an idiot for five seconds before switching weapons  :rolleyes:

 

What is that game like? Do you get dialogue options? What are the relationships like (if there are any)? I know the environments and facial animations are good.


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I think the post for this said that Cullen is based off of Beast, so you are spot on.

 

Though yeah.....I don't think Cullen spent ten years as a crazy animal hybrid that hated everything.

 

Unless his time in Kirkwall counts as that?

 

That is an accurate description of DA2!Cullen.  (I like Cullen but there is no denying that he was messed up in DA2.  He was one of the only Templars to support the Tranquil Solution - something Meredith didn't even support - and had the 'mages are not people' lines.)



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I made another Cole art. He makes me happy:

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Screenshot reference:

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What is that game like? Do you get dialogue options? What are the relationships like (if there are any)? I know the environments and facial animations are good.

Very pretty! I am just scribbling myself. A good motivation to finish it :)


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Very pretty! I am just scribbling myself. A good motivation to finish it :)

 

I like your avatar! Did you post the finished version? I wanna seeeee :D.



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CEE! Look what they added! The goats of ESO call you!

 

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I like your avatar! Did you post the finished version? I wanna seeeee :D.

It looks like this at the moment

 

 http://umabbas.devia...eeper-569009614

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I tried going past the lineart but I somehow like it in this half finished state, hah. Doing another one now and avoided putting the lineart there so it will force me to actually shade it properly. I am that kind of lazy. :P

 

Eh, first.

 

http://solas-an.tumblr.com/

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I hope they don't follow the Mage-templar was template. That was such a disappointment, and I wasn't even onboard with the war to begin with, it was just disappointing to see such a huge plot thread shoved under the carpet. The fact that Solas got the last DLC pretty much dedicated to him makes it unlikely though, Bioware have a habit of introducing major plot pieces in previous game's DLC (and it's intensely frustrating, I didn't play DA2:Legacy or ME2:Arrival so I got to be outside the loop twice, despite playing both games.)

 

The major theme they're keeping with Thedas is 'old things waking up and breaking things'. Starting with the archdemon and pretty much everything since, and Solas personifies that more than anyone. It would be down right wasteful to not make the most out of him. But maybe that's just my fear talking. Be gentle with me, Bioware, I've been hurt before. 

 

I feel pretty similarly about how the Mage-Templar war was handled. However, I think a lot of people who'd gotten sick of the whole thing by the end of DA2. That may have been a factor. I don't see that happening here. Taking down the Veil is pretty darn compelling, and Solas makes it all personal for the player - well, at least those who played DAI. How would they set him up as a character and antagonist for those who've never played DA? It makes me super nervous to think of Solas, of all characters, reduced to broad strokes.  :( 

 

About introducing major plot stuff in DLCs though. I don't think they've ever set up an entire next game in a DLC as obviously as they seem to in Trespasser. I played Legacy and never saw that whole Corypheus thing coming. It seems obvious now, the whole Grey Warden body-jumping thing, but at the time it was really subtle. Trespasser was not subtle. It appears to lay out the whole next game for us. I mean, if you didn't keep up with Bioware dev talk, could you be faulted for thinking that DA4 was about all about Solas and that you'd be playing as the Inquisitor again? I'd be disappointed if they failed to follow up adequately on the Veil plot and Solas' journey as a character. But I'm also gun-shy about making assumptions. I always feel like when a story invites you to do that, someone somewhere is rubbing their hands and cackling at you. Sometimes it even goes one level further and you're surprised that your initial impressions have circled around to blindside you again. Like, I was actually truly shocked when Loghain betrayed Cailan. My 'reasoning' was this: Loghain's kinda grumpy and evil-looking, so surely he can't be a bad guy? At some point you don't even need writers to jerk you around anymore, you start doing it to yourself  XD


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My nightmare is that he does turn into a full-on villain, it becomes apparent that there was never any real hope and all the time you spent getting to know and love him was purely to make things 10000 x more sad. We're all familiar with the sad villain trope, but of course we don't think of Solas as a villain, we think of him as a friend/loved one and that's a special kind of torture by design. I have to say I personally deal with this 'your friend turns to the dark side' thing very badly, by which I mean I get really upset by it. Sometimes the rug gets pulled out from under you and you're left with the idea that character you liked was mostly imaginary. Sometimes it just really hurts to see someone with a good heart lose their way, like with Leliana if she gets hardened, or Bastila (who I seriously cried over even though I didn't romance her). With Solas it was a combination of both these hells, and sometimes I wasn't sure which.

 

It's not impossible that the big threat we're expecting turns out not be the real threat. That's kind of what happened in DAI and the mage-templar war. But I don't see this happening with Solas and the Veil - for one thing, that seems like a bit of a cop-out. What makes this whole conflict so painful/riveting is that his willingness to sacrifice everything makes us question who he really is as a character. We don't know all the details yet, so we're not sure just how far gone or how ruthless we can say he is. Even if something Much Worse appears, they still need to answer that question. If they don't, we will all stay in this hell forever and the Blanketfort will need to start handing out citizenships or something. :P

I'm already a little dissapointed with everything that happened. I had hoped that Solas' plan would be something questionable, something that not all Inquisitors would approve of. But right now, it doesn't look like that. Tearing down the Veil? All right, I can go with that, see what comes of it. Starting a sort of rebellion across Thedas and fighting for a new homeland for Elves? Well, I can see why it cannot be achieved peacefully.
Killing everyone? 'World burning in a raw chaos'? Really? That's his great plan? He sounds as bad a Corypheus and the only thing that makes him different is that he's a handsome elf, and not a twisted darkspawn. But that doesn't help much. I just don't want them to go that route.

From what Solas told in Tresspasser, at some point I got the impression that he's not entirely sure if his plan will get most of people in Thedas die. I just hope that he underestimates them and it wouldn't end that badly. But still...he's ready to do that no matter what the cost is and I don't like it. I just hope that in the next game he won't be painted as a mad villain who is sure he's plan will kill everyone. I'd rather see that he's not sure of that and is willing to take that risk.

 

With romanced Inquisitor, he acts as though it could still work, so it doesn't seem like what he feels must be done is going to kill everyone and destroy this world. Otherwise, why would he even bother with starting the romance?

 

And you know what makes me bitter? I  (and my Inquisitor) felt so sorry for him when the Orb broke. It made me sad. And in Tresspasser he revealed that he wanted the Orb to tear down the Veil and let this world burn. How can he be so genuinely distressed then? I don't know anymore what to think. ;/ And my Lavellan...all these precious moments ruined. She was going to be just another victim all along...


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It looks like this at the moment

 

 http://umabbas.devia...eeper-569009614

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I tried going past the lineart but I somehow like it in this half finished state, hah. Doing another one now and avoided putting the lineart there so it will force me to actually shade it properly. I am that kind of lazy. :P

 

I really like it when people do his nose right. Thank you :P. I favorited on DA.


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I'm already a little dissapointed with everything that happened. I had hoped that Solas' plan would be something questionable, something that not all Inquisitors would approve of. But right now, it doesn't look like that. Tearing down the Veil? All right, I can go with that, see what comes of it. Starting a sort of rebellion across Thedas and fighting for a new homeland for Elves? Well, I can see why it cannot be achieved peacefully.
Killing everyone? 'World burning in a raw chaos'? Really? That's his great plan? He sounds as bad a Corypheus and the only thing that makes him different is that he's a handsome elf, and not a twisted darkspawn. But that doesn't help much. I just don't want them to go that route.

From what Solas told in Tresspasser, at some point I got the impression that he's not entirely sure if his plan will get most of people in Thedas die. I just hope that he underestimates them and it wouldn't end that badly. But still...he's ready to do that no matter what the cost is and I don't like it. I just hope that in the next game he won't be painted as a mad villain who is sure he's plan will kill everyone. I'd rather see that he's not sure of that and is willing to take that risk.

 

With romanced Inquisitor, he acts as though it could still work, so it doesn't seem like what he feels must be done is going to kill everyone and destroy this world. Otherwise, why would he even bother with starting the romance?

 

And you know what makes me bitter? I  (and my Inquisitor) felt so sorry for him when the Orb broke. It made me sad. And in Tresspasser he revealed that he wanted the Orb to tear down the Veil and let this world burn. How can he be so genuinely distressed then? I don't know anymore what to think. ;/ And my Lavellan...all these precious moments ruined. She was going to be just another victim all along...

 

Yup, yup all sounds pretty familiar. Right after Trespasser I had all those same angry/confused questions. Some of it I'm not sure will ever be explained satisfactorily, and that might be done on purpose. It seems like they deliberately left some of the relationship details up to the player's personal headcanon, such as whether Lavellan and Solas ever slept together. As far as I know that's unique to this romance, and while I know it was meant kindly, it doesn't make me optimistic for the 'Solas is not a villain' thing. Also, according to Patrick Weekes, Solas was ready to give up his plans for a romanced Lavellan during the breakup scene. I'm willing to accept that as my headcanon, but I don't see evidence for it in the game itself, which makes me think that it ultimately won't have any bearing on the story? I would dearly love to be wrong on that, though. So much.



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I'm already a little dissapointed with everything that happened. I had hoped that Solas' plan would be something questionable, something that not all Inquisitors would approve of. But right now, it doesn't look like that. Tearing down the Veil? All right, I can go with that, see what comes of it. Starting a sort of rebellion across Thedas and fighting for a new homeland for Elves? Well, I can see why it cannot be achieved peacefully.
Killing everyone? 'World burning in a raw chaos'? Really? That's his great plan? He sounds as bad a Corypheus and the only thing that makes him different is that he's a handsome elf, and not a twisted darkspawn. But that doesn't help much. I just don't want them to go that route.

From what Solas told in Tresspasser, at some point I got the impression that he's not entirely sure if his plan will get most of people in Thedas die. I just hope that he underestimates them and it wouldn't end that badly. But still...he's ready to do that no matter what the cost is and I don't like it. I just hope that in the next game he won't be painted as a mad villain who is sure he's plan will kill everyone. I'd rather see that he's not sure of that and is willing to take that risk.

 

With romanced Inquisitor, he acts as though it could still work, so it doesn't seem like what he feels must be done is going to kill everyone and destroy this world. Otherwise, why would he even bother with starting the romance?

 

And you know what makes me bitter? I  (and my Inquisitor) felt so sorry for him when the Orb broke. It made me sad. And in Tresspasser he revealed that he wanted the Orb to tear down the Veil and let this world burn. How can he be so genuinely distressed then? I don't know anymore what to think. ;/ And my Lavellan...all these precious moments ruined. She was going to be just another victim all along...

 

Generally I'm withholding judgement on all of these matters. I want to think the best of Solas and his dealings with Lavellan, but too often my over analysis of the game won't let me. There are so many ways one could interpret things Solas says and does that I think I'm going to just have to wait and see in the next installment of Dragon Age: To Make an Omelet you Have to Break a Few Eggs to properly assess the Solacemance. I will admit that Solas' dialogue at the end of Trespasser had the bonus side effect of making me a little sympathetic toward Corypheus because those two characters are so similar. They are both Rip Van Winkles who woke up to find the world gone wrong and take it upon themselves to set it right. Maybe Corypheus used to be a dead ringer for Ralph Fiennes, but the taint corrupted him into that nasty mess. Perhaps in the process of sundering the veil Solas will turn in to a creepy, ugly halla hole too. We'll just have to wait.  

 

Anyway, speaking of precious moments ruined...The one line that struck me as really odd when I first heard it and still seems really strange every time I play the scene is during the balcony kiss when Solas says, "...but to lose you would--" right before he kisses Lavellan.

 

What the heck? During my first play through I found the language there a bit awkward. I was thinking, "Why would he lose her? Why is he thinking about that right now? Why does the prospect of losing her make it okay to kiss her? What does that have to do with being kinder in the long run?" Recall before this bit he says, "It would be kinder in the long run..." Without out of character post end-game knowledge this all sounds really strange. Here is my final analysis: Solas was speaking from a very selfish place during this whole exchange. It would be kinder to himself not to get involved with her because he will have to endure the pain when he loses her to his own Big Magic Doom Plan 2.0 ©I don't like my new analysis of this scene at all. I hope that I am wrong, but it is a possible interpretation. 

 

In other news, Dragon Age crept into my everyday life yet again in this gem of a reply when asked what I wanted for breakfast yesterday: "Ar lath ma croissant."  :P Unfortunately, croissant is masculine, so it ought to be preceded by a mon rather than a ma. Eh, who cares?


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Wooot.... this beautiful art of Solas and Lavellan made it into to one of today's Daily Deviations!

http://widdershins-w...-Kiss-529478478

 

Young Solas with the Dreadwolf

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Anyway, speaking of precious moments ruined...The one line that struck me as really odd when I first heard it and still seems really strange every time I play the scene is during the balcony kiss when Solas says, "...but to lose you would--" right before he kisses Lavellan.

 

What the heck? During my first play through I found the language there a bit awkward. I was thinking, "Why would he lose her? Why is he thinking about that right now? Why does the prospect of losing her make it okay to kiss her? What does that have to do with being kinder in the long run?" Recall before this bit he says, "It would be kinder in the long run..." Without out of character post end-game knowledge this all sounds really strange. Here is my final analysis: Solas was speaking from a very selfish place during this whole exchange. It would be kinder to himself not to get involved with her because he will have to endure the pain when he loses her to his own Big Magic Doom Plan 2.0 ©I don't like my new analysis of this scene at all. I hope that I am wrong, but it is a possible interpretation. 

 

In other news, Dragon Age crept into my everyday life yet again in this gem of a reply when asked what I wanted for breakfast yesterday: "Ar lath ma croissant."  :P Unfortunately, croissant is masculine, so it ought to be preceded by a mon rather than a ma. Eh, who cares?

I don't think that this one was as much about foreshadowing as it was about their current relationship. It would be kinder in the long run yes. But the losing you is the here and now for him. He's fought the attraction because he knows what must happen, but he isn't ready to lose her just yet. I also think it has to do with her being Dalish and him being the Dread Wolf. He's certain she will reject him once she learns the truth about his identity.

 

I still don't see Solas as the big bad we are going to have to face. Is he cunning? Yes. Does he have an agenda that I disagree with? To a certain extent. (I really want to see the veil brought down personally, just not at the cost of innocent lives) I think he knows something worse is coming and that he has to make some difficult choices that may or may not harm those living in Thedas. There are too many approvals based on acts of compassion and kindness for me to think Solas is this all powerful evil villain that is bent on destroying the current world. Instead he feels a deep guilt and responsibility for the current state of the world and feels it is his duty to right his wrongs. Even when that might make him look like a monster to others. I see him as someone willing to put the well being of the many over the needs of the few.

 

The elves of today are really no better off than they were when he was freeing slaves pre-veil. If anything he sees their plight as worse and it is all his fault. To fix that, to give them a chance at a decent existence, it will require setting Thedas on its ass. A lot of people are going to have a hard time adapting or accepting that kind of change. This is what I thought when I heard him say while this world burned in raw chaos he would restore the elves. It's going to cause a severe shift in the balance of power. I'm not saying that catastrophic events aren't going to happen, we know that is likely after seeing the destruction of the crossroads from the creation of the veil, but people survive catastrophic events all the time.


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CEE! Look what they added! The goats of ESO call you!

 

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:lol:  I really will never escape the goats.

 

I was thinking of getting a fennec fox with the leftover crowns I had.
 


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