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I think that might be a stock movement because Cullen gives her a similar look, and I attributed it at the time to the fact he might recognize her from DAO.

 

Though IMO they barely interacted, owing to Morrigan's distaste for the Circle and Cullen's mental state at the time.  

 

Morrigan doesn't exactly radiate trustworthiness, though.  Even her ballgown screams "I'M A CREEPY WITCH!"



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Did I mention I hate cliffhangers?

 Not that I didn't like your post, but this! I was so frustrated at the end o Trespasser because I was like, "Closure! I just wanted f'ing closure dammit!"

 

I do see where we can be short sighted when it comes to ourselves, but Solas strikes me as someone willing to really take a deep look before making a decision. He says he locked away the Gods and created the veil because every other alternative was worse. What exactly does he see as being so much worse for Thedas than the consequences of tearing down the veil he himself created?


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Of course, this softens a bit if you're friends with him, as I understand it, and that's why I think that might be a factor in his potential redemption in what comes next. Depending on how hard it might be to implement of course.

 

The funny thing is that you don't even have to be friends with him.  You need positive approval to unlock the option to redeem him, and see his "friendly" dialogue in Trespasser.  That's it.  +1 approval from the guy who practically bleeds it.  I thought the approval check would be steeper, but all you have to do is NOT be an utter asshat.


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The reason I don't see him as being so short sighted is because he spends so much of his time commenting on how impressed he is with team member that can see past the end of their own noses. Why would he continually bring up these things if he himself was incapable of doing the same? He commends Cassandra for giving up power, for admitting she was wrong even at the risk of looking weak, he even admires (at the very least supports) Iron Bull for not sacrificing the Chargers.

 

A fair point. Solas is a long-term thinker if nothing else. But the consequences of his putting up the Veil have been very extremely far-reaching. Those consequences are everywhere he looks. How does one move on from that? That small conversation you have right before the Crestwood scene suggests that for him, to not keep trying would be the same as giving into despair. Maybe he sees his plan with the Veil not as 'repair' but just another attempt to make the world better. Still, there's got to be a lot of remorse there for what he did. If there isn't, then he's not the character I thought I knew. And he would have to be pretty damn sure that his plan would succeed wonderfully this time round, if he's willing to sacrifice so much. I suppose I have less trouble believing he's somewhat blinded by grief than that he's wildly optimistic it will all turn out great this time round.


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interessting... I found this clip of the voice from the well.



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To be fair, everyone gives her that look.  No one likes Morrigan :P  Except my Amell.  They were besties.

 

I wondered if that might be the case. Should've youtubed it. Still, I like to think there's some tension there, heh.



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The funny thing is that you don't even have to be friends with him.  You need positive approval to unlock the option to redeem him, and see his "friendly" dialogue in Trespasser.  That's it.  +1 approval from the guy who practically bleeds it.  I thought the approval check would be steeper, but all you have to do is NOT be an utter asshat.

 

He does give a lot of credit to gremlins, even if Inquisitor is an a-hole - gotta give him that. Even if Inky didn't manage to make much of an impression, we can still get banters like those pretty early in the game:
 

Solas: I will remember this. When it is over.
Blackwall: This? This war? The Inquisition?
Solas: The people. How you fought against the tide. It is... courageous.
 
Iron Bull: Nice job in that last fight, Solas. You really kicked the crap outta that guy.
Solas: I suppose.
Iron Bull: What, you don't think so? You ripped him a new one. It was great!
Solas: Unless the fight is personal, violence is a means to an end. It isn't appropriate to celebrate.
Iron Bull: I don't know. Gotta wonder about anyone who fights as much as we do and doesn't have some fun with it.
Solas: We have fought living men, with loves and families, and all that they might have been is gone.
Iron Bull: Yeah, but they were assholes!
 
 
I kinda have the feeling that even though he tells approved Inky that after he/she showed them that modern Thedosians are people (though I suppose it has more to do with him getting fully rid of his self-reinforced denial about it) and that it doesn't make things any easier, he's almost relieved that Herald exists, so either Solas could be stopped, find a novel solution or someone will at least give these people a fighting chance.
 

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I think that might be a stock movement because Cullen gives her a similar look, and I attributed it at the time to the fact he might recognize her from DAO.

 

Most give her a similar look, except Sera, who looks her over and lingers for a second.



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WOOO - Ok you can skip 1 and 2(unless you really want to play) 3 is where it's at and you don't need the other two for anything other than basic background. I never played either game beyond like an hour and never felt like I was out of the loop.   The game is beautiful and the story is wonderful and you can run around with Geralt's shirt off and have him in long flowing hair. HE'S PERFECT. Also there's Roche. Also Eredin!! Also Avallach(WEEEEP HUSBANDO). AND UNICORN SEX!!! AND GWENT!!!  The DLC was fantastic and this guy was in it and super beautiful. And his story was incredibly sad.  It's massive and well worth the money.  I love it so much.

 

I have to admit that I never finished The Witcher 3. I played up until you get to Skellige, did two or three quests there and lost interest. For me the problem with this game is that I never really cared for the main storyline and especially for Ciri. I don't know why and I think it's sad, but I just don't care about her. At all. In my mind anything could happen to her, it doesn't affect me or bother me or anything. I despised the parts where I had to play as her.

 

Additionally I never really connected with Geralt as "my" character. He is not MY character. He is the character of the devs who allow me to play with him a little. But he clearly has his own opinions that he voices on occasions in a comment, and often I don't share these opinions. Same goes for the romance. I prefer the redhead mage, whose name slipped my mind, but I can't do anything about it, since the game doesn't want me to get together with her. The roleplaying part of this game was just too little for my liking. Also I usually never play male characters and in TW3 I am forced to do so. That is one of the biggest reasons why I can't connect let alone identify with him.

 

Also the skill tree was quite boring after a while, since you basically have a few standard attacks that you can tweak a little bit by putting points in the tree, but overall it is just to static for my liking, especially for a game that takes up to 200+ hours.

 

And I think all of that is really sad, because the game itself is great! It is beautiful, I loved to just ride around on my horse and explore. Also I liked how every little sidequest is fully voice acted, there's always a small story behind everything, so that I didn't mind if it was mostly the same type of quest (monster hunting). Sadly those things are not enough to keep my interest, since I play most games for the roleplayigng part and those were clearly lacking here.

 

 

But: 7 days until Fallout 4 will be out and it looks promising. If they include the option to fight with a bow (there was some concept art for that!), I will be even happier, since I don't like shooting games. It's just not my thing. ;)



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I kinda have the feeling that even though he tells approved Inky that after he/she showed them that modern Thedosians are people (though I suppose it has more to do with him getting fully rid of his self-reinforced denial about it) he's almost relieved that Herald exists, so either Solas could be stopped, find a novel solution or someone will at least give these people a fighting chance.

 

IMO friendly quizzy also lets him off the hook, in some sense.

 

He feels like he has to do his duty, but he says he takes no joy in it if quizzy has positive approval with him.  So if quizzy opposes him, and especially if s/he tries to redeem him, there's a chance that he'll be able to fulfill his sense of duty without having to actually succeed in taking down the Veil.  Which is kind of messed up, but Solas is a guilt basket headcase, so whatever  :rolleyes:


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WOOO - Ok you can skip 1 and 2(unless you really want to play) 3 is where it's at and you don't need the other two for anything other than basic background. I never played either game beyond like an hour and never felt like I was out of the loop.   The game is beautiful and the story is wonderful and you can run around with Geralt's shirt off and have him in long flowing hair. HE'S PERFECT. Also there's Roche. Also Eredin!! Also Avallach(WEEEEP HUSBANDO). AND UNICORN SEX!!! AND GWENT!!!  The DLC was fantastic and this guy was in it and super beautiful. And his story was incredibly sad.  It's massive and well worth the money.  I love it so much. 

 

I will admit that seeing those gifs on your tumblargh is what got me to finally boot up the series.  I want to give 1 and 2 a fair shake, but let's be honest, I'm here for glorious shirtless mutant beefcake  :lol:



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Though IMO they barely interacted, owing to Morrigan's distaste for the Circle and Cullen's mental state at the time.  
 
Morrigan doesn't exactly radiate trustworthiness, though.  Even her ballgown screams "I'M A CREEPY WITCH!"


True. I just tend to think it an in passing "do I know this person". Or it's possible that Leliana pointed her out to him. If only to rescue him from his admirers for a few minutes. :)

And I want that dress, basically because it screams "CREEPY WITCH"!

Not that I didn't like your post, but this! I was so frustrated at the end o Trespasser because I was like, "Closure! I just wanted f'ing closure dammit!"
 
I do see where we can be short sighted when it comes to ourselves, but Solas strikes me as someone willing to really take a deep look before making a decision. He says he locked away the Gods and created the veil because every other alternative was worse. What exactly does he see as being so much worse for Thedas than the consequences of tearing down the veil he himself created?


Sokay. It's not like I haven't edited a post I was responding to before :). And yes, the three words I hate the most in the English language are: to be continued. They are just evil.

I guess I'm always had the impression of immortals or near immortals tending to have problems with changes. And the lynch pin of that, for me, is his comment that he feels like he's living in a world full of Tranquil, which implies to me that he hasn't really tried to take a look at the world through unbiased eyes. Which is completely understandable. It's really difficult to set aside perceptions that have been with you for a lifetime. Even more so with someone who's lived as long as he has.

Of course, I also may be completely out to lunch.

The funny thing is that you don't even have to be friends with him.  You need positive approval to unlock the option to redeem him, and see his "friendly" dialogue in Trespasser.  That's it.  +1 approval from the guy who practically bleeds it.  I thought the approval check would be steeper, but all you have to do is NOT be an utter asshat.


Really? From the sound of everything it sounded like it was steeper. Hell, I've always been really careful with Solas, even before I knew who he was, because I liked him so much. And since in my most recent play I saved the Templars and redeemed the Wardens, I'm running around going, please, don't let me tick him off anymore.
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Really? From the sound of everything it sounded like it was steeper. Hell, I've always been really careful with Solas, even before I knew who he was, because I liked him so much. And since in my most recent play I saved the Templars and redeemed the Wardens, I'm running around going, please, don't let me tick him off anymore.

 

I thought it was too.  But the modders who dug around in Trespasser files found that the dialogue check for Solas is a simple one for positive approval or negative approval.  That's it.  I don't think you even have to complete all his content in DA:I.  And he's much more forgiving than some of the other characters for approval; I've taken significant hits with him on both of my playthroughs and still easily hit max approval.



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I thought it was too.  But the modders who dug around in Trespasser files found that the dialogue check for Solas is a simple one for positive approval or negative approval.  That's it.  I don't think you even have to complete all his content in DA:I.  And he's much more forgiving than some of the other characters for approval; I've taken significant hits with him on both of my playthroughs and still easily hit max approval.


Yeah, he really is pretty forgiving if you take a little bit. God knows he's not even as close to as bad as Vivienne.

I think I've maxed him a total of once, and that was saving the mages, and flirting. I've never really managed that again.

I really should play Solas romance out, for research of course :). I really should. I'm so weak though...

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*wakes up and sips coffee*

 

*sits in fluff corner*

 

I think I can do this. Let's see.



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He does give a lot of credit to gremlins, even if Inquisitor is an a-hole - gotta give him that. Even if Inky didn't manage to make much of an impression, we can still get banters like those pretty early in the game:
 

Solas: I will remember this. When it is over.
Blackwall: This? This war? The Inquisition?
Solas: The people. How you fought against the tide. It is... courageous.
 
Iron Bull: Nice job in that last fight, Solas. You really kicked the crap outta that guy.
Solas: I suppose.
Iron Bull: What, you don't think so? You ripped him a new one. It was great!
Solas: Unless the fight is personal, violence is a means to an end. It isn't appropriate to celebrate.
Iron Bull: I don't know. Gotta wonder about anyone who fights as much as we do and doesn't have some fun with it.
Solas: We have fought living men, with loves and families, and all that they might have been is gone.
Iron Bull: Yeah, but they were assholes!

 

Yeah, I think those banters are pretty significant. They say a lot about who he is, or who he tries hard to be, at least. Even if you get his spirit friend killed, he actually puts it down to fear and ignorance afterwards. He's trying to be patient with you. He seems to consciously strive to give people the benefit of the doubt, at least when he's not in the grip of anger. Actually it's probably because he knows he has a temper that he deliberately tries to step back and see the other side of the picture. He doesn't always succeed. He's not so forgiving of the Wardens, for instance. I suspect they remind him of himself. And he all but picks a fight with Lavellan about the Dalish in the beginning, and only after you apologise on behalf of the Dalish does he then relent and admit that he probably expects too much of them.


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*wakes up and sips coffee*
 
*sits in fluff corner*
 
I think I can do this. Let's see.


Writing gods being unforgiving?

If so, I can seriously relate. (glares at Word files)

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I really should play Solas romance out, for research of course :). I really should. I'm so weak though...

 

Don't worry, we'll have a full truck of kitten and puppy photos ready to send to you after the research is done :lol:



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Don't worry, we'll have a full truck of kitten and puppy photos ready to send to you after the research is done :lol:


I'm thinking more hard cider. Lots and lots of hard cider. And chocolate.

And I really should be writing but... This is so much easier.

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I'm thinking/hoping that Morrigan is definitely going to play a big role. I may be reading too much into it, but I still remember that look Solas gave her when he was walking out onto the balcony at the Winter Palace. Future arch-enemies? :P

Yes! This look:

TkZSXk9.pngMy hubby recently played through this scene with Cassandra rather than Solas, and I swear she didn't give Morrigan that look. It means something. It must. 


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As to the criticism of his compassion and how some might see that as a form of hypocrisy. I don't think they actually conflict. Sure, he has a warped view of people, but, given his history and compassion, the side further indicated in Trespasser. Helping free slaves, give  them shelter, give them freedom and choice, this is a tempered form of that. He doesn't see them as 'people' or as having true value but in one sense, this can also be a thing people do in their heads to make the sense of guilt easier to bear. We know, and he acknowledges he didn't see them as people before he was proven wrong, and the fact he admits to being proven wrong is an indicator, IMO, that whatever compassion, helping refugees, and others along the way, was genuine, if tempered.


I'm not doubting his ability to care and it seems to me that in the past he's done a lot of good - if we were in Arlathan right now, I'd have no qualms about my support for him.

In the present though, it seems that his attempts to make things better for the people of Thedas in the short term, whilst preparing for violent destruction of their lives shortly afterwards, is a bit like sticking a plaster over a papercut before chopping off my hand. Or my boss giving me an extra week's holiday before subsequently firing me. Sure, that first thing was very considerate, kind, even - but primarily, right now, I just want my hand and/or job back. I think the latter supersedes the other because it's so severe.

I would not fault the ordinary people of Thedas for being primarily angry at him, for wanting to kill him - given that he has so much power over them, and they're helpless to fight back, to do anything, to even convince him... they're basically hoping for mercy... or for someone to challenge him for their sake. Solas has shifted from being the champion of the helpless to the primary cause of their suffering and that's what I think I don't like.
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I would not fault the ordinary people of Thedas for being primarily angry at him, for wanting to kill him - given that he has so much power over them, and they're helpless to fight back, to do anything, to even convince him... they're basically hoping for mercy... or for someone to challenge him for their sake. Solas has shifted from being the champion of the helpless to the primary cause of their suffering and that's what I think I don't like.

 

I don't think he likes it either...


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Yes! This look:

TkZSXk9.pngMy hubby recently played through this scene with Cassandra rather than Solas, and I swear she didn't give Morrigan that look. It means something. It must. 

 

I've just been on YT and it seems that other companions do give her that look as well. Solas manages to make it look extra disdainful though :lol:


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I've just been on YT and it seems that other companions do give her that look as well. Solas manages to make it look extra disdainful though :lol:

 

It's the eyebrows.  Solas manages to disapprove extra-hard.  It's his minor superpower.  Vivienne's too  :lol:


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I don't think he likes it either...


Then he should put his money where his mouth is and do something about it.

His guilt, his regret, is worthless to me, the ordinary Thedosian whose whole life is torn apart by the veil breaking. His actions aren't.

I have a lot of sympathy for him, don't get me wrong, I think he's caught between a rock and a hard place, but I also have sympathy for those affected by what he does. I think we can't lose sight of that - and I think he shouldn't lose sight of that either, if he truly doesn't want to become a monster.
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