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Is talking about the Witcher basically lighting the Kissiebear signal?  Just curious (nice to see you back, by the way).

 

 

 

YO! DID YOU SEE OLGIERD - he's beautiful!  And yeah. I love it sooo much.  I'm pretty much like "Have you heard the word of our Lord and Savior Geralt?"

Also it's a good game and there are some major feels in that and the DLC(don't get me started on Iris von Everec).  So I'm all aboard that train until the final DLC comes out. Also there's hot elves in it and isn't that why we're all here? 

 

Also this is clearly suggestive of something - hot menz

 

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Also this is clearly suggestive of something - hot menz

 

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Wow...just...wow.



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It's only in its infancy right now, still on chapter one but I have so many plans: http://archiveofouro...pters/11778419 

 

Edit: it's also unapologetically silly. 

 

Yes, I'm noticing that... Holy crap.

 

And seeing the two of them standing staring at each other. Oh man, this is going to be a fun little ride. Again, I'll try and get a better critique than "I nearly died laughing" as soon as I can, probably when I stop laughing. And like I told Ardent: rugrats.


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I hear you. I used to lurk FF.net in the dead of night leaving insanely long anonymous critiques of Mass Effect and Fable fics (always accompanied by praise, mind you). The longer my review, the more I loved the work and thought it deserving of my time. Reading period is good for writing, but taking note of what others do well in addition to where they slip up is invaluable. I just enjoy helping others to give their precious ideas the care they are due. Unfortunately, line editing is pretty much impossible when relegated to the comment box. Why don't I beta again?

 

Believe me, my critiques are suggestions and praise in approximately equal measure. Constructive criticism kicks ass. 

 

I may just reread in my nook and take notes in the comment second on the laptop so I'm not scrolling back and forth.

 

If you ever want to get back in the beta game, and don't mind Cullen or Hawke too much, I'd love to have someone besides my spouse checking my work. And I would pay in kind, of course. :)



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Whoops my fingers slipped on the keyboard.

 

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YO! DID YOU SEE OLGIERD - he's beautiful!  And yeah. I love it sooo much.  I'm pretty much like "Have you heard the word of our Lord and Savior Geralt?"

Also it's a good game and there are some major feels in that and the DLC(don't get me started on Iris von Everec).  So I'm all aboard that train until the final DLC comes out. Also there's hot elves in it and isn't that why we're all here? 

 

Also this is clearly suggestive of something - hot menz

 

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I do own the first two.  They're on my 'to play' list.



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Believe me, my critiques are suggestions and praise in approximately equal measure. Constructive criticism kicks ass. 

 

I may just reread in my nook and take notes in the comment second on the laptop so I'm not scrolling back and forth.

 

If you ever want to get back in the beta game, and don't mind Cullen or Hawke too much, I'd love to have someone besides my spouse checking my work. And I would pay in kind, of course. :)

[Meekly] I've never betaed as I never knew how to get into the game... I minored in editing and used to do it for what might pass in some places as a living, but I've never had the pleasure. Oh, dear. I just wrote that last bit with Alistair's voice in my head.

 

I'm glad to edit for folks. Just PM me or whatever it is people in this space age do.



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Whoops my fingers slipped on the keyboard.

 

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<3 We really need to make sure this stuff never dies in the thread again.


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Anyway, speaking of precious moments ruined...The one line that struck me as really odd when I first heard it and still seems really strange every time I play the scene is during the balcony kiss when Solas says, "...but to lose you would--" right before he kisses Lavellan.

 

What the heck? During my first play through I found the language there a bit awkward. I was thinking, "Why would he lose her? Why is he thinking about that right now? Why does the prospect of losing her make it okay to kiss her? What does that have to do with being kinder in the long run?" Recall before this bit he says, "It would be kinder in the long run..." Without out of character post end-game knowledge this all sounds really strange. Here is my final analysis: Solas was speaking from a very selfish place during this whole exchange. It would be kinder to himself not to get involved with her because he will have to endure the pain when he loses her to his own Big Magic Doom Plan 2.0 ©I don't like my new analysis of this scene at all. I hope that I am wrong, but it is a possible interpretation. 

 

In other news, Dragon Age crept into my everyday life yet again in this gem of a reply when asked what I wanted for breakfast yesterday: "Ar lath ma croissant."  :P Unfortunately, croissant is masculine, so it ought to be preceded by a mon rather than a ma. Eh, who cares?

 

Hmm.. I never saw the scene like that. To me, he's saying 'but losing you would...', because he doesn't want to let go of that love even if he thinks he should. He has found love in a most unexpected time and place and this is something that he cannot just throw away completely. So he turns around and kisses her like a drowning man. :wub: Maybe he sees his only chance in her (chance at happiness? finding another way?). And even though he expects that she will hate him once she learns the truth, he cannot help but try and make it work. He's so desperate and sad in that scene, but I don't think it's because he thinks he will kill her while tearing down the Veil. He realised his feelings and he's afraid of loosing one of the few people that he cares about and perhaps the only person who truly cares about him in return.

 

 

There is something that I don't understand. Some players didn't like DAI because it was too grand and world changing. They want something like DA2 in which the story is much smaller. My issue with the DA series isn't that the games are too large scaled. The problem is making the stories and the PC powerful but also making it so that they basically worked to restore things back to normal and nothing really changed in the end. I don't agree with Solas' plans, but it would probably be more fun to play him next game instead of the regular PC. At least he's actually trying to change the world.


I wish my Lavellan could express how bitter and dissapointed she is with people and the world in general. Her life wasn't sunshine and bunnies before the Breach. During the Inquisition, she saw some terrible things and ugliness of Thedas as well as its beauty. But she lost so much in the end (also her clan) I find it hard to find a reason for her to believe that this world is so wonderful and worth saving in its current form. She wants to save it, yes, but she also thinks it needs a drastic change. Her attempts at making it better did not bring the expected results and I think that she should have no illusions now that there's much hope for her people (modern Elves). I'd like to play as Inquisitor in the next game (as a second protagonist) and have an option to express doubt.
I even want her to go down a bit of a darker path, with pragmatic and more grey choices.

I am a bit tired of playing a flawless hero who saves the day and becomes a legend out of pure altruism, gets nothing in return and is still willing to continue doing that with big smile on her face, just because she has to be so perfect and good.

I'd rather play as someone who has their own agenda, their own plans and dreams. Not a symbol of all that's good fighting against obvious and darkest evil.

 

Yeah, I would probably also enjoy playing as Solas. :P
 


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Okay, I really am going to stop reading tonight before I laugh myself silly, and upset the cat. Why do I see Solas and cats all of a sudden? That makes no sense.

 

Ardent, you'll be getting a pm in about five seconds. :)



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I do own the first two.  They're on my 'to play' list.

The first one isn't very good tbh, I'd skip it, I loved the second one though (Radovid is dank).The 3rd one is just heaven.   :wub:

 

The books are pretty solid too. 


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I am a bit tired of playing a flawless hero who saves the day and becomes a legend out of pure altruism, gets nothing in return and is still wlling to continue doing that with big smile on her face , just because she has to be so perfect and good.

I'd rather play as someone who has their own agenda, their own plans and dreams. Not  a symbol of all that's good fighting against obvious and darkest evil.

 

Yeah, I would probably also enjoy playing as Solas. :P

 

Imagine that, we've spent all this time building up the Inquisition and then the next game: Destroy the Veil and all of modern Thedas! Inquisition? What Inquisition? You and your ancient elvhen friends must together thwart the pesky gremlins who keep trying to get in your way and make fun of your armoured knees. Together, you must restore the Arlathan which you single-handedly destroyed in the first place!  

 

Dragon Age 4: Failing to Think Things Through! Coming to a gaming store near you!

 

Edit: who am I kidding, I'd play the living daylights out of that game.


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Hey, we've spent all this started some great changes, but I hoped the Inquisition would last to  control the situation and make sure they're permanent. People might still waste everything the Inquisitor  has accomplished...And there are qunari...their invasion might be delayed but is still inevitable. I don't know, it seems the world is not heading in a right direction.

Let's just tear down the Veil and watch the world burn. <insert evil laugh> ;)


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There is something that I don't understand. Some players didn't like DAI because it was too grand and world changing. They want something like DA2 in which the story is much smaller. My issue with the DA series isn't that the games are too large scaled. The problem is making the stories and the PC powerful but also making it so that they basically worked to restore things back to normal and nothing really changed in the end. I don't agree with Solas' plans, but it would probably be more fun to play him next game instead of the regular PC. At least he's actually trying to change the world.

Dragon Age definitely has a problem with the whole Villains act / heroes react thing. (Mass Effect had it to, but as Mass Effect had one overarching protagonist, it was mostly spared of this issue. Dragon Age on the other hand... well, I've never been fond of BioWare's "The real protagonist is the setting" schtick.) I think it's made so much worse by the fact that Thedas is filled with problems - mages, elves, Qunari, etc - and time after time, BioWare's dangled this possibility of fixing them in our face. But they never amount to anything. Everything snaps back. You asked to free the Circle at the end of Origins? Oh, well, the Chantry said no. You quashed the Kirkwall mage rebellion so as to maintain the status quo? Oh, well, all the other mages decided to rebel anyway. You tried to establish a new homeland for the elves? Oh, well, it disappeared without any explanation and we're never gonna bring it up again, mmmkay?

 

The player sees these problems, and since their efforts never amount to anything, they want to just get up and confront these things directly. They want to play someone who acts, not someone who reacts, who simply keeps the status quo. But you're forced to - every player that deviates is railroaded back - and I think it's beginning to wear thin on a lot of people. They want BioWare to either respect their choices or not offer them.

 

Granted, now that "Your choices matter!" has entered into the standard PR talk vocabulary, this is a point a lot of games promise and fail to deliver on. Even companies like Telltale, who you'd think are small and non-standard enough to take chances, don't really pull through on this - small variations occur, but rarely anything major, and you certainly can't drastically alter the course of the entire story. 


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Hey, we've spent all this started some great changes, but I hoped the Inquisition would last to  control the situation and make sure they're permanent. People might still waste everything the Inquisitor  has accomplished...And there are qunari...their invasion might be delayed but is still inevitable. I don't know, it seems the world is not heading in a right direction.

Let's just tear down the Veil and watch the world burn. <insert evil laugh> ;)

 

Or, we infiltrate the Qunari, assassinate the Arishok, the Ariqun, and the Arigena, replace all the tamassrans with people who agree with us, and then with the might of the new and improved Qunari, we conquer Thedas and enforce all the enlightened changes we want. 

 

It has occurred to me that I might actually be the bad guy. 


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Or, we infiltrate the Qunari, assassinate the Arishok, the Ariqun, and the Arigena, replace all the tamassrans with people who agree with us, and then with the might of the new and improved Qunari, we conquer Thedas and enforce all the enlightened changes we want. 

 

It has occurred to me that I might actually be the bad guy. 

 

 

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Also applicable to Solas as antagonist.


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Just wanna show off my handsome male quizzy. I think I finally understand why some guys like to role-play as beautiful women.

 

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Just dreamt about Solas.

 

There was a new expansion and Flemythal, someone else?, and him were in an Elvhen ruin. I was with Isabela and some others. When I caught up to him he cast some spell on me to make me his slave (wat). After the 'battle' I latched onto (hugged) him and told him he smelled like my aunty (who always smells really good) and it reminded me of home. To which I think he was pleased.

 

Then I got to play the scene over again and this time I didn't get made a slave. I was going to confront him and kiss him (apparently I'm THIRSTY in my dreams), but as I was waiting for an opportune moment I woke up.

 

Also he was speaking Elven through of of this. But it sounded like Qunlat.


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Since people here love cats and this made me happy.

 

And to make it Solas......ummm.......

 

The cat is us and the dog is Solas. There.

 

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Granted, now that "Your choices matter!" has entered into the standard PR talk vocabulary, this is a point a lot of games promise and fail to deliver on. Even companies like Telltale, who you'd think are small and non-standard enough to take chances, don't really pull through on this - small variations occur, but rarely anything major, and you certainly can't drastically alter the course of the entire story.


IMO, the games where I felt like my choices mattered most weren't the ones that dangled the possibility of "player choice" for the overarching plot.  The main plot was still on rails, and the world didn't change much, but I had thousands of little choices to make, and I saw their impact over 50+ hours of gameplay.  Baldur's Gate 2 comes to mind, as do Planescape: Torment and Deus Ex: Human Revolution.  In these games, the story doesn't change with your choices, but the type of story does.

 

Planescape: Torment could be anything from bittersweet redemption tale to surrealism to tragedy to horror.  Baldur's Gate 2 swung from the most standard of Hero's Journey stories, to a really depraved tale about the corrupting nature of power.  Nice cop Adam Jensen and cold corporate murder-Jensen have the same main plot, but feel like fundamentally different people.  These kinds of choices are the ones that stuck with me.


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Just wanna show off my handsome male quizzy. I think I finally understand why some guys like to role-play as beautiful women.

 

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He's very cute. I have a hot male quizzy too,

 

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IMO, the games where I felt like my choices mattered most weren't the ones that dangled the possibility of "player choice" for the overarching plot.  The main plot was still on rails, and the world didn't change much, but I had thousands of little choices to make, and I saw their impact over 50+ hours of gameplay.  Baldur's Gate 2 comes to mind, as do Planescape: Torment and Deus Ex: Human Revolution.  In these games, the story doesn't change with your choices, but the type of story does.

 

Planescape: Torment could be anything from bittersweet redemption tale to surrealism to tragedy to horror.  Baldur's Gate 2 swung from the most standard of Hero's Journey stories, to a really depraved tale about the corrupting nature of power.  Nice cop Adam Jensen and cold corporate murder-Jensen have the same main plot, but feel like fundamentally different people.  These kinds of choices are the ones that stuck with me.

 

I don't know. I just hope that the final DA game will have very different world changing endings depending on your choices (not ME3 style of course).



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Since people here love cats and this made me happy.

 

And to make it Solas......ummm.......

 

The cat is us and the dog is Solas. There.

 

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That is one of the cutest things ever.

 

I know a lot of people don't like the idea of this being the history of Thedas, but honestly, I think the biggest thing Dragon Age suffers from is that Bioware was far too conservative in DAO.

 

They didn't know if they would have a sequel, they'd been talking about the game since at least 2003, so it was in development hell for a damned long time, and I honestly believe they were being very careful about the risks they were willing to take. So DAO was pretty much your standard fantasy world. There were hints, but not really enough to get people to start questioning if DA flopped. So they took baby steps, and the DA2 came out, and I don't think I need to go into that insanity except to say I believe that if they'd been given the time they needed it would have blown people away.

 

So now we have a lot of the story that would have gone into Exalted Marches folded into DAI, and even if they'd wanted to continue with Hawke, the character was tainted so it was pretty much impossible. And DAI, while amazing, is some ways was a little more than Bioware could chew in regards to the story.

 

I don't think that's going to be a problem for DA4 and Solas. They've cleared the decks as it were, set up Solas as antagonist or anti hero, and left enough questions in people's minds to wonder where the twist is going to be because it's not going to be the straight forward ride of DAO.

 

Whatever happens with Fen'Harel is going to be amazing, I trust in that. I also don't think there's going to be the same issues as ME with the lead writer switch, since Patrick Weekes has Gaider's blessing it seems.

 

Okay, shutting up now.


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I don't know. I just hope that the final DA game will have very different world changing endings depending on your choices (not ME3 style of course).

 

If the final DA game diverges a lot, I'd rather have it be like the Tuchanka arc.

 

Tuchanka had several outcomes that were all logical conclusions to your choices across all three games.  The endings hinged on a couple of different things (Wrex vs. Wreav and Eve's survival chief among them), and if you'd already started down one path, it was hard (but not impossible) to switch course in ME3.


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I have a question. Why does the title call this place The Blanketfort?


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